E174 - Alex Cintron Ejected (Again) as Astros Assistant Coach Argues Brian O'Nora's Strike Zone

[@JonnyCat63]

That's a lot of head movement by O'Nora when he's tracking those pitches.

[@pyropylon98]

Pure speculation here but when i see clips of him his left eye seems to be a tad lazy compared to his right eye. i wonder if he actually has an issue with that eye, would partially contribute to his pitch tracking habits.

[@1969EType]

Yeah…that’s sub-optimal mechanics at any level baseball but some guys make that movement work for them but, it’s not for me. Do we know where O’Nora ranks overall on his zone to everyone else? Obviously, he had some misses here but, it would be good to see his overall number this season…

[@douglassepic9030]

Call me crazy, but I get suspicious when a manager is covering his mouth while talking to/arguing with an umpire. What comes to mind is, "but why?"

[@zach7193]

Remember seeing the game on MLB network last night. Houston got the short end of the stick.

[@brianmullaney6237]

79% called strike accuracy. MLB & MLBUA have no issue with this.

[@michaelstevens8624]

Can't wait for the sequel (hopefully tomorrow?) to this one 😂

[@ZackArturi]

Brennen Miller and Chris Conroy eject Jose Altuve and Joe Espada for arguing foul ball off of foot not called and Altuve took off his shoe to show Brennen Miller that it hit is toe

[@vincentwendt720]

That would fall in the category of actions intended to ridicule.

[@brianmullaney6237]

@@vincentwendt720 It can't be reviewed, so you might as well show them.

[@politicalgangster9395]

O'Nora missed 14 calls in the game and had the lowest correct call rate of the day.

[@vincentwendt720]

Where are you get 17? At worst he missed 14 calls under the ACC. That's assuming the computer is error free, which has been established multiple times that the computer itself is flawed. MLB's grading system has it a 6 incorrect calls. So MLB gave him a 95.08%.

[@politicalgangster9395]

@@vincentwendt720 typo,and i got it from scorecards. They’re generally really accurate. They are the reason why umpires like pat Hoberg and Alan porter are celebrated. Every year they’re adding on to their website. It’s neat.

[@bcdm999]

Okay, WHAT on earth happened with missed call #13 there? A called ball five(!) inches into the strike zone??!?

[@kennowens7381]

This falls in the 22% of ejections where the complaining coach was actually right... still, without 2" off the plate, guys like Maddux, Smoltz, and Glavine might not be household names.

[@Volante31921]

Nah, they still would. Same with Gwynn (It works the other direction, too. E.g., if Gwynn takes a pitch, well, maybe it was a ball). Times change, though, and ever since they but the box on the screen, the trend has been towards getting the call correct over gamesmanship.

[@1969EType]

@@Volante31921…and as a reminder the TV box is totally unreliable. It is not official. Not even close up and down.

[@gregersen80015]

You haven't done this one yet...does removing a sock fall under the category of an equipment violation or showing up an umpire?

[@jpangia]

what does 'ACC' and 'CCS' stand for in the top right corner at 1.13 of the video? Does the MLB stand for the average for an umpire?

[@CloseCallSports]

ACC is raw accuracy, the numbers the public sees. CCS is our buffer range, effectively one inch to account for pitch tracking margin of error and most 3d plate strikes. MLB is the internal metric used by the league for evaluation of its umpires. Its buffer range is approximately two inches.

[@McClimber234]

The last handful of ejections have been assisting coaches. Maybe extra coaches should watch the game from elsewhere.

[@HarrySJohnson]

I mean how old is Brian O’Nora? Like 97, 98? He needs to shut it down, quickly.

[@pyropylon98]

@@HarrySJohnson 61, not the oldest (there are two guys who are 69) but it does feel like he probably will retire soon

[@Mattsc1974]

No lip reading tonight... I need a new keyboard....

[@michaelfalkner1186]

OK, unless the 1-0 was a strike or the curves were very different, how was the 3-2 a strike?

[@chrisschack9716]

The 0-1 and the 3-2, the curves WERE very different, the 0-1 was pretty much straight and had an extra 11 mph, the 3-2 broke to the outside.

[@WarrenSpears-q9r]

Ball all day ump blow gain big surprise there .

[@minaeldiwany3215]

That pitch was a ball

[@joellizardi6468]

Phil Cuzzi would like a word

[@ChrisMWennermark79]

The Astros game tonight had it all, horrible umpires, ejections, non-hit by pitch, Altuve taking his shoe/sock off, etc!

[@vincentwendt720]

From what I saw on the MLB website, it wasn't obvious that it happened.

[@vincentwendt720]

An assistant coach will always have less leeway than a manager. I'm just surprised that MLB doesn't have an automatic suspension for assistant coach ejections like the NCAA does. The manager is supposed to be the voice of the team. Of course it's balls and strikes so it can be an ejection any depending on whether or not the manager left his position to argue balls and strikes, or a refusal to stop arguing.

[@corytoews5222]

Lindsay's disdain for Houston is blatant.

[@Desirsar]

Soft. If you're going to complain enough to get ejected, run out of the dugout, grab a bat from one of your players, draw a line in the dirt, then run directly off the field without looking at the umpire. It's like weaving through traffic on arterial streets in residential neighborhoods, if you're in that much of a hurry, just ignore the yellow lines.

[@hockeyfanism]

Alex Citron's act is really getting old.

[@penguin44ca]

Horrible

[@triggertimetraining6963]

Umpiring has gotten worse as the year has gone on. The MLB is afraid to call these clowns out for bad umpiring. Nothing will change.

[@perrytilton5221]

That's a load of crap! Umpiring has gotten much better over the years.

[@vincentwendt720]

@@perrytilton5221 I agree.

[@mph7282]

It will change when we get roboumps. They are coming. Not this year, not next year, but they are coming. And there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but it's the sheer incompetence and more importantly the complete lack of any form of umpire accountability that brings it on. Umpires will have no one to blame but themselves.

[@teebob21]

@@mph7282 Wake me up when that happens. The only thing RoboUmp can do at the level expected from umpires is call the horizontal strike zone accurately (with +/- 0.75 inches of measurement error, according to Trackman's manufacturers).

[@lastdance2099]

Those "clowns" are the best umpires that are available. They get "called out" after every single game, without exception. Their missed ball-strike calls are actually recorded and analyzed, and that's what you are seeing in the video. What else do you want MLB to do?

[@PapaVanTwee5]

It's a terrible call. But even more terrible, the assistant coach argues. Don't you know you have a short leash?

[@davidschantz5363]

Inconsistent umpiring. No surprise.

[@vincentwendt720]

Umpires overall are more consistant than you think.

[@mrthingy9072]

I feel no sympathy for the Houston Cheat-stros. I will never feel sympathy for them, the guys on that team that cheated their way to a World Series Championship are still playing ball for the most part (except the ones that might have retired.) If they banned players over the "Blacksox" scandal (which honestly there was no evidence against them determined in a court of law - they were actually tried for it), many of the accused players were banned for life from playing. The Cheat-stros did have evidence against them, and yet somehow they are still playing. So screw 'em.

[@JParker1620]

This might be the worst ump crew in baseball, the game tonight 9/17/24 was awful

[@mph7282]

That was probably the single most incompetently officiated game I've ever seen in professional athletics. This may be the worst umpiring crew in history, and it doesn't even include Joe West, C.B. Bucknor or Angel Hernandez.

[@vincentwendt720]

@@mph7282 There is absolutely no way that the umpire can see the ball hit the batter's tow through the catcher. It's not as easy as it looks.

[@mph7282]

@@vincentwendt720 there’s more than one umpire. The fact that HPU refused to even get them together and say “this is what I have, anyone see anything different” isn’t exactly absolution.

[@DinkinFlicka11]

Does this dude do anything but cry?