E45-6 - Oliver Marmol & Alan Porter Argue After Replay That Helped Oli's Team, Descalso Ejected Too

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@JustinWeikel 8 ай бұрын

Love you, Lindsay! You always give me a new perspective to these calls. Keep the vids coming!

@teebob21 8 ай бұрын

"We want RoboUmp strike zones!!" We give you RoboUmp strike zones, but the catcher whiffs on doing his job: strike! "No, not like that!!! How can you call that!"

@basilaplant 8 ай бұрын

Good video as always, but the call Marmol is upset about there is actually one (or maybe two) from the bottom half of the 1st, rather than the top. One 3-2 pitch to Yelich called a ball (a slider, just barely clipped the zone moving in off the plate so it's understandable), and another 3-2 to Hoskins with the bases loaded that was nearly entirely within the top part of the zone, but received awkwardly and called ball 4 driving in a run.

@mse326 8 ай бұрын

It looks like it clipped the top of the zone. He missed two that were more in the zone in the top of the 2nd against the Brewers. Overall 97% accuracy for the game, so he wasn't a problem at all.

@basilaplant 8 ай бұрын

@@mse326 I agree the rest of the game was fine, but one very close miss and one less close miss, both on 3-2 counts, one with the bases loaded, is not great. In either case I think it's clear that the call to Hoskins is what Marmol is complaining about here, since he mimes a catcher receiving a pitch at the top of the zone rather than down and in like the one Lindsay mentions in the top of the first.

@mptr1783 8 ай бұрын

Im 64 yrs old and have watched baseball since I was 8 yrs old. Its a disgrace that anyone expects any plate umpire to not miss a few pitches. Im so sick and tired of the whining and the amount of balls that batters look at. Swing the damn bat. The box on the tv screen has ruined the game

@johnthomas1422 8 ай бұрын

@@mse326the 3% of missed pitches matter when they are important pitches. Do you not understand that? Getting ball 4 wrong is much different than getting ball 1 wrong. You take the bat out of a batters hand when you call a ball strike 3. Overall percentage means nothing. Missed pitches is the only metric an umpire should get credit for. 0 missed pitches is the only correct number. Until umpires can get punished for bad performance they should be held to a higher standard. Fire the umpires union.

@SpeedyBird_ 8 ай бұрын

Yea umpire missed two calls now shown in this video which marmol is upset about. Usually like the videos here but this video is quite biased toward the umps. They were baddd this game

@richmartin1427 8 ай бұрын

So basically Marmol said this was a fire up the team ejection.

@bruceboman9801 8 ай бұрын

That's EXACTLY what he's saying. Don't blame shitty play, blame someone else. It must be the freakin umpires fault for the Cardinals loosing 7 out of the last 8

@brianmullaney6237 8 ай бұрын

Well, if he said "Barber needs a new script for glasses" He gets fined.

@rickysampson8759 8 ай бұрын

Or he’s lying to not get fined

@bruceboman9801 8 ай бұрын

Lie, blame others, play the victim, manipulate, gaslight--whew, issues.

@DJTexan 8 ай бұрын

The only time you get fined during interview is if you question the integrity of the umpires such as saying they’re being paid to call one way. Just saying to press they’re bad won’t get you fined.

@benbrogan5513 8 ай бұрын

Marmol knows his days are numbered.

@jimtoms7591 8 ай бұрын

As a lifelong Cardinals fan, I'm glad to hear that.

@mwebb6570 8 ай бұрын

Jim Edmonds is a fool, I can't stand him on the broadcast. The little interesting insights he sometimes brings are just drowned out by his often meaningless anecdotes.

@arinerm1331 8 ай бұрын

Meanwhile, Chip Caray is one of the best play-by-play announcers in any sport, and when he worked with Joe Simpson's color commentary, Braves fans were spoiled by the best!

@alexirby2892 8 ай бұрын

@@arinerm1331 Got to see him walking around the Battery the night before Game 3 of the World Series in 2021.

@JobiWan144 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, I loved him as 1/3 of the MV3 back in the day, but Brad Thompson is far and away a better color commentator

@SLC-Smudge42 8 ай бұрын

“At times we need to abuse the umpires to help our struggling, fragile players get motivated.” …. That’s wonderful.. On another note…. Is Alan Porter looking yolked these days?

@mattvanderveen4716 8 ай бұрын

that’s what being on a crew with Jim Wolf for two years does to ya. Cant let Wolfie be the only big guy.

@SLC-Smudge42 8 ай бұрын

⁠@@mattvanderveen4716 😂😂 you got that right!

@bruceboman9801 8 ай бұрын

AP and Wolfie competing. They've got stadium and hotel weight rooms available. 😁🤙💪💪

@CommonSense823 8 ай бұрын

So we’re just gonna let Barber off the hook for being bad at his job. Got it.

@ModernCowboy78 8 ай бұрын

The umpires job is tough!

@skydiverclassc2031 8 ай бұрын

And younger watchers are saying "Who are those people on the point-counterpoint video"?

@bcdm999 8 ай бұрын

Can't fault them for being ignorant

@tw1nn319 8 ай бұрын

Who are those people on the point-counterpoint video? genuinely, ive never heard of the show

@joetheumpire 8 ай бұрын

@@tw1nn319 It's an old SNL skit

@skydiverclassc2031 8 ай бұрын

@@joetheumpire It goes back even further, being an actual opinion piece between James Kilpatrick and Shana Alexander on the show 60 Minutes.

@ag7898 8 ай бұрын

Hidden Jim Wolf bicep video!

@geoffroi-le-Hook 8 ай бұрын

Cardinals radio thought they wanted to review the calls at second and first on the second review but New York only looked at first base.

@cmoff22 8 ай бұрын

Jim Wolf rockin the sweat bands on the bicep. Love it

@JamieTheBangles11Fan 8 ай бұрын

I can't believe how bad the Cardinal have become and this guy is on track to be the worst manager in Cardinals history.

@Cardinals97 8 ай бұрын

He’s already there

@geoffroi-le-Hook 8 ай бұрын

White Sox fans wish they had it so good.

@sidvicous613 8 ай бұрын

Jim Edmonds is a drone. The umpire cant yell back. Yes, he can; stick up for yourself

@totallykoolyeah 8 ай бұрын

Great video as always.

@minaeldiwany3215 8 ай бұрын

The second challenge should have been the Brewers not the Cardinals because the umpire called the runner out at first base originally

@penguin44ca 8 ай бұрын

When I used to play HS ball a bit, our coach did this stuff. None of us bought it. Now if he got run for a legit issue with a call, it may have worked.

@duffyy1 8 ай бұрын

This is manger who knows his time is up and is desperately trying to fire his team up.

@mptr1783 8 ай бұрын

did you say FIRE?

@grantpurdy5042 8 ай бұрын

Could Jim Wolfe possibly taper his arm cuffs any tighter ?!?! 🤣🤣

@johns1039 8 ай бұрын

If that is the only way for a manager or coach to inspire their team, then they should not be a manager or coach.

@randolphhudson8645 8 ай бұрын

It's obvious you've never competed at anything in your life

@johns1039 8 ай бұрын

@@randolphhudson8645 You could not be more wrong. But either way, screaming obscenities at officials does not inspire anything. It is just unprofessional and juvenile.

@strumbum946 8 ай бұрын

If the Manager/Coach doesn’t “show” he has his players/staff’s backs, (whether they are right or wrong), NO player would want to play for that Coach…

@mbdg6810 8 ай бұрын

@@strumbum946you can do it without getting ejected. Mendoza for the mets has done it a ton this season.

@strumbum946 8 ай бұрын

@@mbdg6810 - Every group of players are different. It takes different measures to motivate different people. The Cardinals are going through (at the least) their 3rd season in a row with a mediocre to dismal pitching staff. What options does a manager/coach have left when the whole team knows the General Manager and owner will not acquire decent pitchers?

@frankrobinson47 8 ай бұрын

You conveniently omitted that Porter had missed multiple calls prior to this exchange. Just admit that umpires (like coaches and players) have bad days. At least coaches and players say they need to do better.

@Desirsar 8 ай бұрын

Who played baseball through youth leagues and high school and college long enough to get to the majors and actually let the words come out of their mouth that it shouldn't be a strike because it was dropped? I get not knowing the technical details of rules around rare situations, but they had to have seen hundreds of dropped called strikes in the time that they played...

@bruceboman9801 8 ай бұрын

Marmot is not handling the Cardinals very well. Barber calls might be wrong and gets them overturned and that ends up looking so bush. Jim is just being a yes man, with no emotion monotone, no insight, so-called analysis? Really bad. Wow, thought he was better than that.

@basilaplant 8 ай бұрын

Edmonds is a truly atrocious announcer. They can't get rid of him soon enough.

@nwkanion 8 ай бұрын

I know we see two guys yelling at each other and it looks a certain way. But there are some umpires that are close friends with some managers. Maybe that’s why you see that switch after the game. I don’t think there’s any hard feelings if that’s the case.

@johns1039 8 ай бұрын

If you are unleashing a stream of profanity laced insults into my face, then you are no friend.

@DJTexan 8 ай бұрын

@@johns1039 you wouldn’t have lasted a minute in the 80s.

@nwkanion 8 ай бұрын

@@johns1039 i understand what you are saying, I have my limits too, but that’s just you and me. They might not talk to each other like that at all off the field, but on the field maybe they have an understanding with each other.

@zach7193 8 ай бұрын

That escalated quickly. Cards are worse now. Far removed from title contenders.

@1969EType 8 ай бұрын

So, the ump is wrong (twice)…STL retains their challenge (twice)…and DesCalso still manages to get ejected? Hey coach, if you send a runner rounding third to the plate and he is thrown out to lose the World Series, do the umpires get to tell you you’re horrible and get better? Umpires make mistakes just like coaches and players. I can’t wait for the robo-umps…who will they complain to then?

@CommonSense823 8 ай бұрын

Comparing umpire mistakes to mistakes by competitors on the field is an interesting argument Cotton.

@1969EType 8 ай бұрын

@@CommonSense823 Uhhhh, ok there, Pepper…welcome back to The Ocho, apparently. It’s an equal comparison but, unequal consequences. Ump makes a mistake on the job…gets grilled by everyone. Coach or player makes a mistake on the job…umpires don’t say squa-doosh to them. Ok, back to dodgeball…we’ve got Czechoslovakia hosting Latvia…

@fnstyle 8 ай бұрын

God I hate commentators who say umpires shouldn’t talk back!

@Bucky1191 8 ай бұрын

Mármol needs to find a local cliff and trip

@jacobwerman1008 8 ай бұрын

Dude was complaining that the call was overturned in his favor. What a loser. Descalso and Marmol really should be suspended and fined. It was so unnecessary.

@randolphhudson8645 8 ай бұрын

Hey lindsay why dont you talk about the umpire behavior?? Is his yelling back, pointing and swearing ok?? I though umpires were supposed to be professional at all times??? Can you answer this for me lindsay???

@robinhill2442 8 ай бұрын

Jane....

@terrencecitywide 8 ай бұрын

Ball dudes, grounds crew, drunks,players and umpires ONLY allowed on the field after the ump yells PLAY!

@binder38us 8 ай бұрын

These are the actions of a manager about to be fired

@LarrySkylines 8 ай бұрын

We need an argument timer. These babies go on for too long with all their complaining. Let’s speed the game up a bit. Are they really yelling about having to use the replay system and getting the calls go their way twice?

@kerrytodd3753 8 ай бұрын

First base ump may need to find him another profession 😂

@jacobrichardson1952 8 ай бұрын

Well that's interesting 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@kevingunderson5726 8 ай бұрын

So because Marmol has skid marks he gets to act like a baby? Maybe he should get some motivation and communication training during his down time between jobs!!

@sunnysimmons 8 ай бұрын

might time fire coach

@TheCpadron19 8 ай бұрын

I mean it's basically an unwritten rule that if the catcher doesn't catch the ball, it's a ball no matter what. That's where the whole phrase "catchers catch strikes" comes from. I understand that it was a strike, but that being said, the catcher should be able to catch a strike.

@teebob21 8 ай бұрын

I hear you, but moving past that ancient philosophy and calling the pitch where it was thrown (not caught!) made me a far better umpire. They want robotic zones, they can have robotic zones.

@theburnetts 8 ай бұрын

The challenge system in MLB is dumb. It transfers the responsibility of deciding on a call from the umpires to the coaches. Why should coaches be involved at all in on field umpiring decisions? Makes no sense. And why limit challenges? Isn’t the goal to get the calls right? Either give each team unlimited challenges or have another umpire in the replay center watching every game and they can decide if the game needs to be stopped to review a play. Take the teams and coaches out of the umpiring decisions.

@bobloblaw1180 8 ай бұрын

The issue with having a neutral 3rd party deciding when to initiate challenges is there would inevitably be a play that's missed and not challenged, and we're right back to the fallibility of human judgment. Having team staff as the ones to initiate the challenge puts the onus back on the team.

@theburnetts 8 ай бұрын

@@bobloblaw1180 but the point is that no matter what system we use what we are saying is that we are willing to live with blown calls that don’t get reviewed or get reviewed wrong. In the current system we are willing to live with a blown call if the coaching staff doesn’t initiate a review request in time. And we are willing to live with a blown call if the coaching staff doesn’t happen to see it. And we are willing to live with a blown call if the coaching staff is too busy coaching to review the play. And we are willing to live with a blown call if the umpires in NY decide not to overturn it for some reason. So my take is this: get rid of replay review entirely. If we are willing to live with blown calls then why do we have replay? Shouldn’t replay ALWAYS fix a missed call? Even if we have to stop the game for 15 minutes to fix the blown call. Isn’t that the point? Shouldn’t we do everything we can on every play to fix a blown call? It’s so strange to me to have any sort of “limited” replay system. If the goal is to fix blown calls then we should fix ALL blown calls - not just the ones that coaches happen to see or the ones that teams can challenge because they happen to still have challenges left.

@bingham7957 8 ай бұрын

How embarrasing.

@HarrySJohnson 8 ай бұрын

Alan Porter is the complete umpire. Way to stand up for your crew. Sometimes you have to give it right back to the manager.

@mrthingy9072 8 ай бұрын

"Game planning coach." Well hell I can do that. "Ok, strike all their guys out. And we hit home runs every time we come up to the plate." Not a great plan I have there, but how is St. Louis doing again? Surely I can't do worse.

@coloradotex9403 8 ай бұрын

Some of these announcers need to get out of the booth and go be an umpire. Because I can guarantee you, they wouldn’t be making comments that you hear in some of these videos. So the announcer says it’s unprofessional for the umpire to yell back at the manager. What’s the umpires to do. Because we know if the umpire just walks away the managers going to follow.