E60 M5 S85 Rod Bearing Issues | Tips To Extend BMW Engine Life

[@km2504]

Mark thanks. I have the M4 CS and just bought my dream car growing up…M5 e60 48k 1 owner with all the service records at the bmw dealer. I am so excited but very anxious from all the bad image online. Your videos are the most informative for a new owner like me and find them very well thought. Thank you very much for all the e60 videos. Many thanks to everyone sharing their own experiences as well. Very helpful.

[@craigantono284]

Greets Mark My experience and habits about the overall maintenance in my 13 year old M5 and what I did and still do: Oil changing max!!! every 10.000 km, and of course only 10W-60 Castrol (I bring the 10L to the dealer) and always with Oil Filter... never drive when the Oil level is more than 1,0L or less than 0.1L.... when the level gets at 0.3L I fill up... it's better for the Vanos too.. only original parts and services at the dealer, it costs more but I have always warranty and a better selling price in the future...if.. but I have no intention to sell it... I would rather take it with me to the grave hahaa... When the engine is cold I don't wait, never... I drive away but very slowly, very gently... it's like holding my daughters hand.. .. absolutely never never never push it more than 3000rpm, when it gets warmer I do not exceed 5000rpm... when 100 degrees Celsius or 220 Fahrenheit I do whatever I want with it, often 8500rpm, since 11 years with ECU Program 250 more rpm and speed limiter delete (you say governor), hard and sometimes brutal...we all know that the engine loves it, always.. it was built to do that. SMG Gearbox always in Manual at position 5, never in D mode or less than 5. Always start in 1, never in second. When arriving at a traffic signal or being in traffic I select N. When parking also N with handbrake of course. Very few Launch Controls only in the first years. I have still the first clutch!!!!!!!! The SMG pump once changed! Spark plugs, Differential- & gearbox Oils, also Brake fluid changed every 30'000km. Engine and gearbox are one poem together.. A couple of weeks ago I had to change the Oil cooler, which had a tiny little crack... also changed at the suspension Syneblock and Querlenker.. 2'000 EUR... after 13 years!!! new Michelin Super Sport tires..some fluids some tiny strokes...some leather treatment... another 2,5 grand.. that's live... all in all for that supercar the expenses are more than reasonable... Blackstone test is done each 2-3 years.. in January done and it was just excellent.. when the engine is treated good, especially in cold phase till it gets 100 C the bearings have no problems.. nevertheless, I told the mechanic to change the bearings this year...why not.. Generally I am more than satisfied with the M5, it shows great durability and takes every day hard punches when warm without crying or complaining... and I am sure it'll last for another 13 years... and so on. Peace & Love

[@craigantono284]

ExoticCar PlayPlace Thanks Mark, nice to hear that from a specialist. The bearings? Not yet changed :) I have 110tkm, so I am planning to do that at the end of the year, although there are no indications. The car was so nice to me over these years, so I give him this present :)

[@douglazamar8889]

Greg Antono car is piece of shit if it needs such a care, no excuse for this age and day!

[@DTMtarik]

I love you.

[@Devil_Dog_Ultra]

you are an idiot. You said you put it in N at red lights. please come to a dealership and speak to a bmw genius there.

[@Devil_Dog_Ultra]

@@Tipo-F120b i still own a 2007 m6 that my wife dailys and my mint condition 07 m5 6 speed manual please dont even try to tell me about functionality and reliability you pelieb

[@drdizzy888]

Totally agree on frequent oil changes. As an ex tech i've seen clients coming into the shop 12k over recommended oil change period. At that point oil viscosity was extremely low and practically didn't protect any of internal components.

[@henzo7087]

I am about to buy 2008 BMW M5 with 70 000 miles from U S you helping a lot. Thank you

[@ECPP]

You are very welcome

[@glendekoker3682]

I'm at 210,000km 2006 M5 change oil every 3,000km engine runs nice oil looks clean. I always keep it under 4,000 when cold. Maybe I should change them but the car is running very nice.

[@mista5796]

Fair play. I’ve got an E60 M5 too. But only use it for longer journeys, never just around the town (have a little 1L city car for that). My M5 has just over 90K on the clock. Like you say regular oil changes and never ever rag it from cold. It needs to be warmed up gently - but when it is, wowzers. What a car!

[@faranasif6779]

Amazing - Thank you! Really helps with the M6

[@ECPP]

Glad it helped!

[@fazalkarim958]

Hi Mark you the man when it comes to these m cars great videos

[@ECPP]

Thanks 👍Have an awesome day. Do you have an M5 as well?

[@fazalkarim958]

@@ECPP no I don't I have the m6 e64 could you please give me some advice please

[@jajasmile4473]

dude your info is the best on KZbin .

[@ECPP]

Thanks that is greatly appreciated. Cheers.

[@JoshWich1]

I'm a new 07 e63 owner. Great info on your channel. Thank you!

[@runningman2198]

JoshWich1 welcome to the beast club, checkout m5board if you have not yet.

[@donmayor9729]

save yourself 15mins and simply replace the bearings every 70K miles

[@panda51829able]

I use liqui moly 10w-60 seems to burn a lot less quicker than the recommended Castrol and it quiets down my vanos

[@romanistalazialle1081]

to be honest I tested both .. and the moly is smooter and the car gets to normal rpm sooner after the cold start every morning .. weird

[@digitalrealestate7712]

Same here only burning a quart every 4000 so now i just change it every 3,000 miles and i warm it up before running.

[@cornellesanders1125]

Everyone please get an f10 m5!!! They totally kick azzzz! Definitely destroys the e60 on a track our any other road.

[@arturozuniga6651]

I am using castrol 5W50 i have a 2009 M5 with 45000 kms afrer 15 years or 14 years after the last model the oils are a lot better than the 10W 60 Originally recomended

[@VallhallaRider]

Love your vids man always so informative. I have 76,000mi on mine right now. I have already been thinking about replacing the bearings.

[@makaveliangel87]

Did you change them?

[@2ndProtects1st]

10W60 is a thick syrup for S65 S85 Racing 0W50 Mobil 1 Or 0W40 Mobil 1 are best for these tight tolerance bearings

[@canadianhangover]

Care to educate us a little more on this?

[@robertmontgomery7158]

2ndProtects1st The 0w-40 has a better CST at cold temps and at non racing hot temps. 10W-60 is way to high CST for cold and hot unless racing.

[@houjiewang6577]

I know that Vanos pump shares the engine oil. Probably the 10w-60 is not a good fit for the engine, but it might be necessary for the Vanos.

[@jonathanlich5670]

M3 e46 too?

[@trac9182]

I would like 2 buy 1 but i need 2 no if i use a liter race oil with a better zinc level would that b better?

[@Dominuce]

The owner of VF engineering stated the reason for the rid bearing ware in the e92 and e60 is because of the knock system. Witch is based off the spark plugs. And when the spark plugs begin the age the knock signal isn't as accurate making the rod bearing ware unevenly.

[@ivanmoore75]

Just a question, additive called ZX1 that uses the oil a a transport to all the metal surfaces in the engine, in particular in between the rod bearings, would this stuff be a benefit at all, or would it harm the v10, it apparently clings to the metal surfaces & in theory stays on the metal even after an oil change, thoughts ?

[@AMGterror]

I got a M6 E63, just wondering what BMW recommends between changing oil? Right now I’ve done it every 5000km or once a year

[@vasacsl63]

what about electric heating pad on the bottom of the oil pan? that should work well

[@cathalbreen5312]

ExoticCar PlayPlace Mark, can you provide links/manufacturers who sell the upgraded bearings and which ones are best to get when changing them out?

[@mmodeon553]

Thanks for sharing!

[@ECPP]

Thanks for watching.

[@suzukiyakudze2131]

i"m a e60 m5 enthusiast that bought from auction 2 of em, both 2008 edition 1 is manual an other one is smg, i need to transfer front end from smg to manual one, the rest of it i need part out or sell, fan watching from los angeles.

[@tylercouture216]

U still have parts car what color

[@DJizz82]

So were can I get good rod barring if I plan on doing the job myself?????? Company/ manufacturers/ product number???

[@renegadegolf9886]

I’ve read that the valve springs go bad also. Is that true and is there any other parts I should replace on the s85 motor that will make it last longer?

[@yurirego8831]

Hi my brother nice video .. By the way i have an E60 M5 .. What is the best brand for you to replace it

[@ECPP]

Not much can really replace it, but I added an F Type to the fleet which is a great complement to the M5.

[@yurirego8831]

@@ECPP thank you my brother ..

[@hamzaal-ahlasi5600]

I just bought m5 e60 2008 can u tell me what is the best oil should use for it

[@SureshKumar-so5ox]

Great 👍🏽 video Can do a video what to look out for in f10 m5 2013

[@lenic2009]

Hi, How do you explain the vast differences between some engines bearings wear? I own a 2011 E90 with 44kmi on it. I read about bearings failure at 30kmi and no failure at 130kmi... is it just maintenance that makes it? Thanks!

[@lukes4320]

I have a 2010 M6 52,000 miles. You say the new bearings are in the 2010 & half (2010.5) models... so mine is considered a 2010 model the actual build date printed on the door says 09/09. How do we know if we have a 2010 & half model that your referring to? Thanks

[@mannysingh6618]

What bearings would you recommend, if not BMW?

[@ECPP]

BE bearings.BE-Clevite Rod Bearing Set - E60 M5 & E63/E64 M6 (S85 V10)

[@tylercouture216]

@@ECPP link ?

[@Bestoflovesongs0425]

Whats the best oil for m5 is royal purple okay? Please give m m idea thank you

[@matteightytwo]

3 minutes in, the information given is hilarious. If the tolerances were so high, why do these engines end up with 10w60 oil?

[@ECPP]

Good question, but generally to support the full racing application and high revs and stresses under hard driving conditions

[@davidpaterson6271]

Hey Mark! Any thoughts on Archoil 9100 to aid in rod bearing lube, especially during startup/warmup? Alex at the Archoil shop responded to my question with "You can use AR9100 in your E60 M5, AR9100 will help protect the rod bearings from wear and premature failure. I do actually remember speaking to an S62 engine builder who liked using AR9100 in his builds, I cant recall his name though.". I add it to the oil on my 02 E450 7.3 Turbo Diesel and it's quite awesome. For the M5 though, I can't find anyone else using it. Any thoughts on it? Thanks - Dave P

[@davidpaterson6271]

I added the Archoil to my M5 and did a quick video with a shout-out to you. After a couple hundred miles, the engine does sound a little quieter but I haven't noticed any better fuel mileage (still about 16mpg). kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHi9f51qobiamtU

[@MIKESTONE111]

Mark any idea if it is below 0 weather and you start up the car in such cold weather will that cause some kind of bearing damage since the oil is so thick from freezing weather.

[@ECPP]

In short, cold weather does not do it any favors for sure, thats why a corrected viscosity may be needed to reduce this issue in winter. People do drive them in winter and it is fine, but warm up periods are very important.

[@carlosimpson7953]

Castrol 10W60 good to use on these engines?

[@ECPP]

Hi Carlo yes another option that is suitable is the 10w-60 Castrol Edge "SUPERCAR" as it is a full synthetic and that WAS spec'd for the M5 previous. Recently they switched to Shell, but I would use the Castrol as another option. MUST be fully synthetic though.

[@carlosimpson7953]

@@ECPP Thanks Mark.I am also a Castrol fan so with the Shell change it confused the hell out of me as i thought there might be issues with Castrol.Sweet

[@Unintendedacceleration]

just bought an 2008 e60 m5 yesterday and today rod bearing noise. car is awesome but really.....can I have worse luck!!??

[@ECPP]

Sorry to hear about this. Are you sure its rod bearing noise? I know sometimes the Vanos makes noise.

[@Unintendedacceleration]

My first bmw but I’m 90% sure, it’s coming from the bottom end. I’ll tell you I’m an Audi guy, dad was a Porsche Audi tech for 40 years.....but man is this an awesome car. They are both great car makers.

[@Unintendedacceleration]

On the other hand what does a bad vanos sound like? This sounds like a dull thud that changes and matches engine speed.

[@arturozuniga6651]

The sound comes when the engine its cold Its normal because the computer send less fuel to warm the engine faster

[@dspada67]

Excellent

[@stevequan1135]

Can you review older model of nissan r35 gtr

[@michaeleke6645]

Do these same issues exist for the S65 engine in the M3?

[@ECPP]

Yes, for the most part, yes Michael they do. Throttle actuators and rod bearings are their nemesis.

[@robertmontgomery7158]

Great video. Except you fail to answer oil viscosity. You talk a lot about it but never answer

[@we-are-all-one6433]

No true, the tachometer warm up indicator being at 8200 is still at a time when the oil is not warmed, not nearly warm enough. This is why so many of these E60 V10’s get rid bearing damage, all these excited people want to rip on it way too early,,, WAY to early. Patience is a virtue.

[@ECPP]

Totally right, ease into it

[@giwococarenthusiast8385]

My bmw m5 have over 135k miles :))) and drive like new

[@ECPP]

They are a sturdy car for sure

[@mikej2754]

I am buying one I know it's gonna cost me but it's worth it cos it's a v10 they don't make no more good advice mate

[@DJizz82]

I usually warm up the engine until it’s at normal idle, usually 5 min. After that I drive it and don’t I push the motor. I just drive it normally. I plan on getting the barring serviced soon.

[@bugtown8162]

Better to drive the car straight away from cold, but only gently. That way you will get everything up to temperature much more quickly without causing any damage. It is cold running that causes damage, and by letting it idle you are extending the period of cold running to the maximum possible.

[@romanistalazialle1081]

on new cars they write a warning message on the dashboard 2 min after without moving ... the exact message is "move the car now or stop it please"

[@youran1312]

Listen to Axie

[@AAA-xo6mj]

讚⋯很棒的教學

[@johnsvlogsatb1250]

Notice how many times he blinked

[@DECKEDM]

Its as simple as it gets.. forget the Blackstone crap tests... if you dont know if the bearings have been done previously,and youre 50K miles plus.. get them done! better spend some little money now then newenginetime and spending some serious cash... Ill report back Mark , my 2008 75K will go in for bearings in 2 weeks time.. Did you also read the post of the average mileage on around 124 x S85 engines that went boom ( and were converted by Troy to strokers) the average mileage of those 124 engines when they all went boom, and i mean throwing a rod... was @ 60.000 miles! Just get em done and be safe instead of driving a timebomb

[@vasacsl63]

Take Down is there a stronger aftermarket part or updated oem stronger one? How much $ to do preventative replacement?

[@DECKEDM]

Google: BE bearings S85, or check here... :fastattackmotorsports.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=181 but to be honest i would go with oem...

[@samaa577]

Hi , did you change the bearings? How much did it cost? Thanks

[@marijncochius6481]

I have a 2005 E60 and no bearings problems whatsoever. +282000kms!

[@jhrodriguez08]

S54 s ?????

[@baims8367]

You do a very nice job with your videos and are very knowledgeable. Best of luck with your channel moving forward!! Shame on Nazi BMW for not doing something with the owners of these Over priced Recycled Plastic piles of 💩! Toyota maned up and bought back there rust bucket Tacoma’s for 1.5x the KBB book value, I bought a Tacoma from someone who wasn’t aware of the buy back as Toyota really didn’t advertise that they were doing that. Had BlownHead gaskets 1 owner truck was bought brand new. I have 1500$ for it and Toyota wrote me a $ 11,000 check $9500 profit. They also for there tundras did full frame Replacements which I had 2000 Tundra 1 owner done the bill on that was $16000. And BMW can’t fix there drunken boo boo on there over priced pieces of 💩. Sad And frankly says allot about the company! 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻BMW 🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻BMW🖕🏻🖕🏻🖕🏻 With all that said I love them still it’s weird there’s something about BMW there suspensions I think is what keeps me In love w them. There just like females You can’t Live w/ them and you can’t Live w/ out them!! I own 2011 x6 35i family car and a 2009 550i and my daughter has 2013 x3. Will never own or drive anything else Except maybe new Mercedes they have there shit together!

[@ECPP]

Thanks a lot for your comment and for watching. It is much appreciated. You are right there are just some details that are missed and the. Swept. With that said, aside from exotics it maybe the better Porsche’s, there really is nothing better than. The driving expereience

[@fredwilliams7893]

Eh I own a Infiniti. Reliability is insane on the VQ VK engines. Yes not as fast as M5 but still look good and decent quick.

[@melissawarner1001]

God I had no idea there was soo much to know about these cars. I think I need to sell the 2008 m5 I just bought before I ruin this car.

[@ECPP]

Sure, you could or just own one of the most epic BMW cars in history

[@tylercouture216]

Post videos of it

[@gregorythomas4470]

If you learned ANYTHING you didn’t already know in this video you have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS owning or driving one of these amazing vehicles.

[@riccccccardo]

The solution is so easy man..... Don’t turn it on. 🤔

[@ECPP]

lol. Touche. Cheers.

[@stephenpato5524]

Find a man by the name of Troy Jeup on Instagram (and m5/6 boards)....

[@tylercouture216]

Can find insagram

[@user-pq5jr1tl6h]

Sell it that thing is not reliable, bro I had the m5 f10 it was mostly in shop . ever since I sold it my wallet is getting thicker

[@ECPP]

True, the M5's are cash guzzlers. They are fun though. Did you like the car for the drive though?

[@user-pq5jr1tl6h]

@@ECPP honestly bro i did like the drive, but i drove some other cars such as infiniti ,lexus they also provide that feel for you and that fun drive

[@graemewilliams1308]

Who can be bothered dealing with this horseshit ? Just buy a reliable car instead !

[@Phantaam]

Have fun driving a boring car

[@graemewilliams1308]

@@Phantaam I have a 2016 Holden Ute, 6.2 litre LS 3 engine. If that;s boring I''ll go he for tiggy.

[@graemewilliams1308]

@Crooked Skate Supply Co Well any time I feel bored I jump on my bike which will whup the arse off that so called "V10 supercar " for a fraction of the cost !!

[@CrazyTrucker-jp4fx]

Worst car I ever owned.. SMH...

[@alexandrudragomir3702]

this car has no bearing issues, only has idiots owners that shouldnt have an M5

[@ECPP]

Thanks