Early Christian Schisms - The Woes of Constantine - Extra History - Part 2

[@DragoniteSpam]

"Which means . . . I . . . am . . . now . . . going . . . to . . . try . . . and . . . define 'the Trinity' . . . on . . . the . . . Internet." And I'm pretty sure this is _exactly_ what most of us had in mind when we voted for this! :D

[@sennaka]

+DragoniteSpam I was SO waiting for this.

[@Deysh3]

+DragoniteSpam I kinda feel bad for the narrator.

[@Sockpuppe]

I like the artwork for this part 4:47.. turns out this artist does the labels for a brewery near me.. Karben4 Fantasy Factory.. So, it blew my mind

[@jumbocatstudios7239]

DragoniteSpam ironically, you ave 666 likes now

[@PhucLe-sj9nx]

Jumbo Cat Studios 668 subscribers

[@Vanalovan]

Constantine: "I swear to Christ I'll turn this Empire around if y'all don't calm down!"

[@Gr33nj3ster]

Vanalovan I guess he did literally swear.

[@nosuchthing8]

Nice

[@karsentube13yt]

Constantine didn’t convert until he was on his deathbed

[@bucketsman9634]

@@karsentube13yt false

[@bucketsman9634]

@@karsentube13yt After his conversion he prohibited public sacrifice (pagan traditions) and closed temples.

[@brycewilson2065]

I just want to say as a practicing Catholic I really appreciate the way you guys are handling this topic. You're managing to do it both respectfully and without kid gloves condescension. That's really tough to do! Thanks so much.

[@rickhillard4358]

Bryce Wilson completly agree, as a Protestant, this video has also been a welcome surprise for me considering how to topic is usually handled.

[@thepeach2428]

I agree. I’m Lutheran myself and I find all this early church stuff really interesting. Plus I think they did a good job defining the trinity, honestly the graphic looked like the stuff I learned from in my religion class but with pictures.

[@heyhey2810]

pffft

[@michaelkennedy6759]

I think it's important to note how serious these questions really are. The reason Trinitarian questions and questions about the forgiveness of those who have fallen away from the faith are so important because they change the value of Christ's sacrifice. If Christ is less important in the Trinity, then the incredible statement that God gave up his infinite power and surrendered unto death for the sake of all mankind loses some of its importance. If there is a sin which can't be forgiven, then the sacrifice of Christ to cancel all sins, has limitations. If you are the Church with the belief that you hold the most important truth that has ever been revealed to man, then how you talk about that truth is incredibly important.

[@zaco-km3su]

Good point!

[@jesinchen7282]

It's as important and serious as the question if the prime directive is a good or a bad idea.

[@LarsPallesen]

I, on the other hand, think it's important to note how ridiculous these questions really are. It's men arguing over a man-made concept.

[@Serioussux]

@@LarsPallesen these people didnt perceive them as man-made. And even if, man-made concepts (wich means all concepts, there is no such thing as a not man-made concept) can be just as consequential as laws of nature. Think of nationalism for example.

[@Tea_laBlue]

⁠@@LarsPallesen it may seem silly now, but people at the time were being killed for these views. To them, it was a question of not just their life on earth, but their eternal life. Sure, it may seem silly to you, but to them it was of the upmost importance.

[@Cow-Moth-With-A-CRT-Head]

As a non-Christian, I find this look into the history of the religion absolutely fascinating.

[@christiandauz3742]

And Depressing. 41k denominations and still splintering like crazy

[@isntpraxis6464]

This is the most respectful set of comments on a religious KZbin video I have seen

[@jeffthebiglizard8099]

Everyone's too busy making Walpole jokes.

[@alaskanuni]

+THEGAMINGTURTLE Everything is Walpole's fault.

[@tytube3001]

+Thomas Jones you suck

[@rowtow13]

+Thomas Jones I saw some crappy ones on the last video but it was mostly a good discussion.

[@TheKeksadler]

+Thomas Jones It probably stays at a minimum because the video isn't necessarily about religious doctrines, but about the history of christianity as an entity.

[@extrahistory]

Constantine thought that restoring rights to Christians in his empire would unify the faith. He was wrong.

[@Naturask]

+Extra Credits 4:44 - 47 made my day.

[@toddcrane4318]

The way I see it Constantine didn't care about Christianity but cared more about unifying his empire which is why he made Sunday sacred when for centuries most Christians worshipped on the Sabbath except for the church in Rome

[@toddcrane4318]

+Todd Crane so he could bring in pagans and the Catholic Church was to be ruled by former imperial elites

[@alexanderman1000]

+Extra Credits hey awesome video and really nice try you made to explain everything. I am a greek orthodox and we learn about the problems that occured with the Schisms in a 3 year period.

[@toddcrane4318]

+Sara Edwards wrong by sabbath Paul mean the lunar sabbaths such as Passover and the feast of tabernacles the Sabbath is one of the 10 commandments written down by God's own hand they would never break it by changing it to Sunday as Jesus said tha if you love him keep his commandments

[@andrewsuryali8540]

There seems to be a misconception about Donatus petitioning Constantine being out of the ordinary, and that it invited imperial interference into the church. Donatus petitioned Constantine because of course that's exactly what a Roman citizen having a dispute on matters of divinity was expected to do. Constantine was, like ALL Roman emperors since Augustus, Pontifex Maximus. He was therefore the ultimate religious authority in the Empire. Christians had previously never petitioned emperors simply because theirs had been an underground religion, especially during Diocletian's persecution. When Constantine normalized Christianity he was simply including the sect into the Imperial register of recognized cults, right next to Mithraism and the worship of Sol Invictus (which Constantine seems to have attempted to syncretize with the Christian God). This normalization gave adherents of the faith formal rights to petition the Emperor on religious matters, and Donatus simply exercised his newfound right.

[@weldonwin]

To quote the Monty Pythons "Here comes Jesus, preaching this wonderful moral philosophy about tolerance and compassion and we spend 2000 years slaughtering eachother, because we can't agree on how he said it"

[@Mathignihilcehk]

+weldonwin Except Jesus never preached tolerance. "I did not come to bring peace, but a sword". His teachings were intended to split families, cities, and even countries over whether or not to follow them. Add that to "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the father, except by me" line he kept spouting... Granted, he did say love your enemies, and quite a bit against murder or hatred. There's a process for dealing with heretics, which ends in "treat them as a pagan"... considering we are supposed to be a light to the world, and basically lead pagans towards that light, slaughtering them all is a little contradictory. In short, he did preach against slaughtering each-other, but not for tolerance... I mean, unless your definition of tolerance is "don't murder"... in which case, yeah... it's just silly to say he preached to accept each-other's beliefs, and live in harmony. He said pretty much the opposite.

[@Spacew12]

+weldonwin its not just about how he said it. The father being higher rank than the son bit was about things god said overruling things jesus said. Basicly it is a disagreement on witch parts of the bible to focus on.

[@Mathignihilcehk]

Ronny Wathne Although the two don't ever contradict, so that is pointless anyway.

[@Sluppie]

"Judge not lest ye be judged" is pretty much in favor of tolerance. That along with everything he said about forgiveness. He also taught by example when he refused to stone the adulterous woman.

[@troyevitt2437]

R.I.P. Graham Parry Jones (1 February 1942 - 21 January 2020) This is an Ex-Python!

[@HuntingTheEnd]

Please mention how St. Nicolas punched Arius in the face mid-council. Santa Clause punched a heretic!

[@danmenard6917]

+HuntingTheEnd V. Claus* But yeah, definitely a badass moment in St. Nick's career.

[@hely1108]

+Dan Menard It looks more douchy than bad ass to me

[@danmenard6917]

el tigre negro Depends on how you look at it. The real Santa Claus wasn't the jovial guy the media'd have you believe.

[@hely1108]

+Dan Menard Isn't everybody who is revered in history not kind of a douche, if you look more into it?

[@danmenard6917]

el tigre negro Just so. Everyone had their douchey moments in history, at least in the scope of our modern morals. What is considered assholish behavior today was not necessarily so in the context of history.

[@mynos]

"It was Walpole!" Seriously, can we get that T-shirt made yet?

[@jaccuse4086]

Make it a thing, please.

[@robertwalpole360]

+mynos I would love a T-shirt with me on it!

[@mynos]

+Robert Walpole +The Tin Memesman Oh we can make them, just don't I can legally sell them. I'll happily buy one if the EC team produces them. Otherwise I'll have to content myself with going to a T-shirt printer and getting a one-off.

[@maxthexpfarmer3957]

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[@luckyrobin]

They did

[@brothapipp]

As a christian, I think you did an okay job at summing up the trinity. keep up the good work guys. hopefully the discourse on these newest videos will be productive and thought provoking.

[@wolliveryoutube]

Same here. I'm not quite sure if it's a thing God even really meant for man to understand (at least on this Earth), but that was described in a pretty simple and straightforward way, while also acknowledging that it is, in reality, way more complex and confusing, and we still aren't in agreement on what it really is.

[@goobgo]

+Romulus Numa You may underestimate the Extra Credits community

[@ivanmota9515]

The thing is, can god's sacrifice be ligit? If gods don't die, can a god sacrifice his son, that is him, so, immortal? Could a man really has his sins forgiven by a sacrifice of a undying god, half spirit half flesh? Would not the importance of Christ only be real if he was but a human being? With soul and individual fate? And what about the Essenes education of Jesus? Could Christ just be a context of religious education+political orientation?

[@brothapipp]

Ivan Mota Yes it can be legit. "If gods..." You are using a condition on God, that you use for gods, further more you presume to know the condition of God or of gods which is based of a limited human understanding. Yes a man is forgiven. It was important because he was a man. and then i lose you. and not trying to hate, but i didn't follow where you were going from "soul and individual fate"

[@brothapipp]

***** I tell young people at my church all the time, it's okay to not know something, but if you don't know you should investigate.

[@TheMaplestrip]

This video in summary: "Constantine was irked by this."

[@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts]

Or, in other words, this displeased constantine, who punished him severly.

[@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.]

@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts Oversimplified eh?

[@Overhazard]

You know, I just had a thought: Why is the lion so shiny? Also, ninja bishops! Why have I never seen any of these until now?

[@danilooliveira6580]

because they are ninja... if you can see them, they are not doing a good job

[@marionlara428]

Overhazard Also they throw ninja crosses at people.

[@Isildun9]

I hate Ninja Bishops! They're as bad as Illinois Nazis!😉

[@GhostGamer123Ghost]

I always knew they were hiding weapons under those vestments!!

[@Docwilson91]

A shiny wild lion has appeared!

[@exquisitecorpse4917]

I love this series! Arcane religious debates are some of the most fascinating pieces of our history because they remind us of a simple but easily overlooked truth: Sacred texts were written about the problems of the day...many of them things the macroculture hasn't cared about for several hundred years. Many religions have ancient roots, and some of the traditions come down to us from thousands of years ago, but, for the most part, religion is a thing of the NOW - it's constantly moving, breathing, reshaping....just like it was 900 years ago - and, someday, someone will be talking about our great religious debates as strange, arcane, almost meaningless relics. Religion is such a beautiful thing

[@abdulaleem9207]

Yes.

[@Tea_laBlue]

I love the way you put it. I do feel like religion needs to be willing to adapt and change with the times.

[@adwrath]

Good job guys. As a Theologian I have to say you did a good job trying to explain what God is. I just hope you guys don't have another feud like you did with the "Religion in Games" two parter.

[@calebn4399]

I am a Christian, and I love how little bias you guys put into this and simply put out facts, and you basically nailed the Trinity.

[@tenebrisscarrow3140]

OMFG THE 'It was Warpole' AT THE END THERE :'D xDDDD

[@robertwalpole360]

+Tenebris Scarrow Warpole?

[@tenebrisscarrow3140]

Robert Walpole Heh, look in the last 30 seconds as Dan says 'or take a guess' That scribe is onto you xD

[@Mercure250]

+Tenebris Scarrow Warpole? With an R?

[@tenebrisscarrow3140]

Mercure250 Lol yeah sorry didn't know how it was spelt xD

[@tenebrisscarrow3140]

Ismail Ghafoor And yeah, 'bout right xD

[@TheNN]

Constantine made a city? What'd he do, NAME it after himself? Well, that is the Greek and Roman thing to do after all.

[@thebowtato6976]

Constantinople

[@dragossarbu6556]

+Heba Haq witch eventually became Istambul

[@tonysladky8925]

+TheNN At least he stopped at one city named after himself. What the Hell was Alexander compensating for with his *skims Google results* at least 70 Alexandrias?

[@bartsfartandshart]

He named it Walpole.

[@qheesethecluelessuke2006]

+TheNN Actually, he didn't name it after himself. He originally named it New Rome. The Constantinople name took hold later. Kind of like how George Washington didn't name the city after himself, but because he was instrumental in deciding it's location and such, it became known as the City of Washington.

[@Blazo_Djurovic]

As for Constantine braking the divide between church and state that is not entirely correct. It is the first time an Emperor meddled into the politics of the CHRISTIAN Chruch, but even before that all of those pagan Cults were practically subservient to the Emperor because he held the highest titles and it was common to deify the previous Emperor if the current one inherited the title from the previous one. Hell the reason Christians were persecuted was that as Monotheists they directly rejected the divinity of the Emperors and for Romans that was akin to treason. We even have to than Diocletian for the majority of "BAD" ideas that people often quote about the middle ages. Things like Rulers being appointed by god (or gods in his case) as their regent on Earth, so any disagreement is heresy. So it was the first time ROman rulers meddled in the affairs of this faith, but by that point that was norm for others.

[@CountBifford]

I prefer your documentaries to TV documentaries because you don't pad things out. You deliver the important stuff very efficiently.

[@ironsfamily6]

But hey, why let an itty bitty civil war get in the way of a great crusade?!

[@nunyabiz8305]

the question that was proposed in the first minute of this episode is what the parable of the prodigal son is all about.

[@mkvenner2]

And yet people still forget about it to this day

[@Andvare]

The problems were solved once and for all. And there were never again a time were Christians would disagree on why the scriptures should be interpreted.

[@AdamPFarnsworth]

+Andvare lol ;)

[@TheRealOtakuEdits]

+Andvare lmfao XD

[@franzluggin398]

+Andvare I know it's just a typo, but _was_ there ever a disagreement on _why_ the scriptures should be interpreted within the Church?

[@Andvare]

+Franz Luggin You could argue that the fundamentalists (invented 200 years ago in the US) was that, since they claim to only adhere to the exact text, but even they do interpret some things, since there are a couple of logical problems in the bible, like the many times the human race was just a handful of people, all related.

[@franzluggin398]

Actually I thought about a debate about the reason for the interpretation. But nice info nonetheless.

[@F22onblockland]

It was Walpole.

[@nostalgia_junkie]

Who?

[@turquoiseyoshi7711]

+Andy Joe Walpole

[@unematrix]

+First Order Stormtrooper don't be stupid.

[@sirrobertwalpole913]

+First Order Stormtrooper It was always walpole.

[@infamousempire8302]

+Sir Robert Walpole hi Walpole🤗👏👏😎:)

[@Mercure250]

"Or just take a wild guess. You'll probably be right." "It was Walpole." "Yup, you're right! I knew it, because when I say "take a wild guess", 96% of people will answer that"

[@CommissarWallace]

Constantine seems like that angry father that shouts "I will turn this car around!" with regard to these schisms.

[@SixWingZombi]

I've been sharing these videos with my father, who is a pastor of church.

[@mitchellradspinner4491]

This is great for those who grew up outside of the church to have an overview of some doctrine! Also that ending Walpole joke though.

[@2ctheocean]

I'm always really hesitant to click on this type of video, but you guys did a fantastic job with this whole series, and I'm surprised at how respectful the comment section has remained. What a nice breath of fresh air.

[@JoeJoeTater]

I'm learning more about the history of Christianity now than I did as a Christian...

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

And I learned more about history from these videos than I did in history class. That tends to be a running theme.

[@gdesign95]

+JoeJoeTater welcome to my life I constantly asked questions about the church and it's history only for them t brush the question aside instead of giving an answer or (as I suspect) just admitting they didn't know. religion is the biggest hoax and con that people have fallen for

[@blackice7197]

+gdesign95 be careful you might start a flame war X]

[@xSixthiSx]

+JoeJoeTater Though it's true the history of Christianity is deep, full of debate and debacle, it's important to know the roots. But at the same token, there's only one story that Christianity focuses around, and that's the story of Christ.

[@mathiasthewise]

+isaiah walton Would it be inappropriate to say that God started the first flame war? There were the cities of sodom and gomorrah. Emphasis on "were". Not trying to be smug as a LMS Christian, but nothing wrong with a sense of humor.

[@jakmanseven310]

The best definition of "The Trinity" that I've heard is "Think of it like a blanket with three folds; each fold is seperate, but part of the same blanket"

[@WhenInDarknessSeekTheLight]

More like someone made the whole thing up and got away with worshiping three gods as one.

[@IfJesusWoreAHat]

Yes the Council of Nikea, where the emperor bans Psykers. Wait.

[@oliverwirth42]

suffer not the witch to live.

[@Thravous]

+Plebeian+ Praise The Emperor for we all walk on his imortal shadow.

[@oliverwirth42]

An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and it's walls unguarded.

[@sathra4036]

+Plebeian+ It was roughly as successful!

[@basketcase289]

+Plebeian+ Blood for the blood god

[@blueberryboi9426]

Watching this as a follower of the Catholic Church is interesting, looking at how one church became two, then a few more in the 17th-18th centuries.

[@maddyhoke3907]

I love your interpretation of Constantine. He's like an exasperated mom. It's great!

[@ItsmeInternetStranger]

My personal view of the trinity is that it's something like water. Water can be a liquid, a solid or a vapor, and all three states are different, and have different properties, but they're all still H20. You can not torture the spirit or the father as you can the son, in the same way you can break ice but not liquid or gas. They're made of the same thing, but have wildly different properties. None of superior to other, just tailored for different situations.

[@bobbyferg9173]

That is a pretty reasonable explanation thanks for that

[@martinsriber7760]

+Miyamoto Fan Can water be all those things at the same time?

[@MadnerKami]

+Miyamoto Fan So you are implying, that god is not perfect and needs to change into a limited form to get things done? HERETIC! BURN IN HELL!

[@ItsmeInternetStranger]

MadnerKami Tell me, could you enter an ant hill? You are far greater than ants, but if you were to enter an ant hill, the ant hill would be destroyed. It is too small to contain you, your presence in it would destroy it. God is the same way. The father is too great for this world to "contain". His presence would shatter every natural law, as he is above time and space. For our own sake, for the sake of maintaining the laws of the universe itself, he has to adopt a form the can "fit". It is not to say he could not enter our world as the father if he so wished, but to do so would by his very nature, undo every rule and law this world has...

[@martinsriber7760]

Miyamoto Fan He is omnipotent, so he can enter our world without undoing anything.

[@MegaNintendoWolf]

Goddammit Walpole

[@robertwalpole360]

+MegaNintendoWolf Goddammit Me

[@sirrobertwalpole913]

+MegaNintendoWolf :D

[@sirrobertwalpole913]

+Robert Walpole Me too.

[@Mercure250]

+Sir Robert Walpole Two Walpoles? IMPOSSIBRU!!!! THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!! Or...or it's a binity (like the trinity, but with only two)

[@LuccianoBartolini]

+MegaNintendoWolf Hey, nice to meet you here, hello!

[@ChaosDraguss]

"I'm going to now try and define the trinity on the internet..." heheh hahahahah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA *deep breath* AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA P.S. I am not kidding, this was my reaction. I had to pause the video for a moment.

[@Logisticious_gg]

+ChaosDraguss rip

[@TheNetherlandDwarf]

+ChaosDraguss He did a good job though!

[@pokeplayerHQ]

+ChannelShoreyo I have to agree. Much better than most people would have done.

[@morthasa]

+ChannelShoreyo Agreed. I was actually smiling at Dan's worry though (if only because I know he was justified in it, he taking this seriously and understood how hard a task he was about to tackle).

[@GarthTheMighty]

As was mine. That was the face and tone of someone handling nitroglycerin with oven tongs when a brass band marches in and takes a breath.

[@obliviousoblivion]

will they resolve this dispute? HA HA HA HA

[@An_Ian]

+Alexander Hamilton HAHAHA ya get real religious pepole agreeing on anything ever heard of the 95 thesis

[@LadyRhianataol]

+Cyborg Koala Theses. :)

[@Giorgal]

+Alexander Hamilton They still haven't resolved it.... TODAY, as in 2016...

[@kkirschkk]

+Alexander Hamilton well seeing how I was kicked out of my church 3 times this year bescuse I brought up a few of the problems they have talked about, about 1800 years later, I am going to bet it has not been soveld, only made worst

[@obliviousoblivion]

+The Reeper I wish I could have argued with the catechist when I was small.

[@AsianPlagueDoctor]

The best metaphor or model I've seen for the trinity is this: a beam of light hits a prism and splits into three primary colors. All contained in one, but revealed in three. Hope this helps

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Trinity is one of the main characters in Matrix. Problem solved !

[@kumareswarpatra98]

What is Matrix, then ?

[@CIEMniak911]

@@kumareswarpatra98 Matrix is the real world But the real world is fake

[@ricky-sanchez]

@@kumareswarpatra98 The matrix is the virtual simulation of the story of neo, used to keep millions of people distracted from the fact that they are in cryo-stasis to fuel apocalyptic robots. Everyone in the matrix is expiriencing neo, basically watching a movie in their sleep.🤯

[@troyweatherford2428]

these are the best historical videos on the Internet.

[@grfrjiglstan]

I wonder if, 2000 years from now, people will be watching videos that start off: "It's hard to believe now, but back in the early Third Millenium, Mormons were a relatively small religion and not taken very seriously..."

[@sennaka]

+grfrjiglstan Just trying to explain the splits in Protestantism in America.....that's a whole week in itself. :)

[@watayukikimihyra7132]

+grfrjiglstan and by then we would have imperium cult and those Inquisitor go around: "Heresy!!" and **bam** everythin...oh wait.

[@garcul6666]

+grfrjiglstan naah

[@denus0123]

+grfrjiglstan Gods, I hope not.

[@red_isopat]

Religion will be dead in 2000 years, and it would be more like: "What the fuck did they believe in back then? "

[@drewmotl4663]

Thank you so much for this series. As a practicing Christian, and employed minister of said faith, it is nice to see a series handle such a complicated and difficult subject in a manner that is both respectful of the history and the faith. My lifelong dream is to become a doctor of theological history, so I spend an extra amount of time studying these subjects, and I must say, this is one of the best presentations I have ever seen on early Christian schisms.

[@antares9601]

really great episodes! You guys know your stuff and where to be careful (when talking about the trinity and other touchy subjects)

[@aaronman4772]

For an under 2 minute explanation, that wasn't a bad explanation of The Trinity. There's of course more depth (enough to fill plenty of lectures) but that's a decent explanation of one of the more confusing aspects of Trinitarian Christian Faith. Also can't wait for the talk of the Council of Nicaea. Considering we still are feeling its effects today it's a great topic to talk about.

[@Taxrenn93]

Poor Emperor Constantine, he already has to try and get Christianity accepted throughout the still heavily pagan Empire, and he has to put up with this nonsense?

[@FlyingJetpack1]

"It was walpole" became an official meme right now. I don't know what to think of it honestly.

[@Raveman540]

+FlyingJetpack1 I want T-Shirts, Dangit!!!

[@Rakshasa1986]

How did he survive being thrown into the pit with lions? He screamed "Don-itus! Don-itus".

[@serion9325]

Thank you so much for doing this series. As a member of the Orthodox Church, it's very interesting to hear a more neutral telling of early Church history.

[@TheDinosaurOfDOOM]

All Warhammer Horus Heresy fans know where this is going...

[@TheMagicRat933]

+swirekster Nah... More like "fucking Magnus". (And fucking Lemon Rust.)

[@TheMagicRat933]

+swirekster I just searched for "fucking horus" on KZbin. The highest search result was "dirty horse fucking". 0_0

[@netherwalker1762]

TheMagicRat933 *... What a horrid mental image.*

[@christiandauz3742]

Realistically, if the Chaos Gods actually existed in RL... ...We would all be worshiping them right now I mean COME ON! Unlike the fairy tale RL religions, THESE GUYS ACTUALLY INTERVENE IN MORTAL AFFAIRS!!! Heaven my ass, going for Daemonic Ascension!

[@TheMagicRat933]

+Christian Dauz Reported for heresy. Representatives of the God-Emperor's Holy Inquisition will be with you shortly. I advise you to use your last few moments to reflect on the enormity of your sins.

[@Lycodrake]

Continuing to love how you all do these videos. Educational to the max and presenting the multifaceted nature of conflict!

[@LoadedEmu97]

God the Father is not the Son or Holy Ghost. God the Son is not the Father or Holy Ghost. God the Holy Ghost is not the Son or Father. They're all just secretly Walpole, and I am perfectly fine worshiping Walpole.

[@robertwalpole360]

+Captain Wrench I see what you did there. ;)

[@LoadedEmu97]

Robert Walpole How to sum up the trinity on the internet: It's Walpole

[@legionxiii8055]

Heresy! Walpolists are heretics! - Pope Awesome I

[@ltkcrimson8135]

I AND MY FATHER ARE ONE?

[@The_Mad_Regent]

Actually Their all Otto Von Bismarck.Because everyone says God has a plan for you,And Bismarck always has a plan.

[@mkvenner2]

It's always Walpole

[@robertwalpole360]

+mkvenner2 Precisely.

[@infamousempire8302]

+Robert Walpole hi Walpole🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗🤗:))))))))))

[@robertwalpole360]

David Vargas Hello, there! So many emojis. :)

[@branhan215124]

The idea of Trinity isn't that hard to understand if you have some understanding of Quantum Mechanics, where things have multiple, overlapping properties at once- i.e Superposition

[@flame_warp]

If you're gonna say "X isn't too hard to understand if you have some understanding of Quantum Mechanics", X is pretty goddamn hard to understand.

[@guilhemschenkeveld5145]

*starts laughing*.... *stops laughing* wait, that actually makes sense! OO

[@francescosorce5189]

Brandon Lokison It's not the fact that it is multiple things at once, it that G=F G=S G=H F=/=S S=/=H H=/=F. |Cat>=|dead>+|Alive> not |Cat>=|Dead> and |Cat>=|Alive>, It would be a |Cat>=|Dead> or |Cat>=|Alive> after collapsing the superposition (Wich I remind you is just a fancy name for sum of states). I'm not a physicist, and probably you are more experienced than me, but I wanted to point out that your example wasn't accurate to avoid possible miss-understanding. Also I apologise for my bad english

[@qafiansage4234]

I think probably a good way to understand it is by imagining God as a nation of three people. The nation is a 'thing', but none of the three people are the nation. Now, this is a simile at best, so... please don't ry to crucify me.

[@christianw.509]

The best way of explaining this is God is God. The end.

[@MorganRhysGibbons]

These videos are unbelievably well made! Thank you for your excellent work.

[@MrTombombodil]

Whenever someone asks me what I've been up to, from this day forward I shall respond "Emperoring"

[@RileyOConnorOfficial]

Fantastic animations guys! These are always a pleasure to watch and learn from.

[@skyrimhedgehog]

I'm a student of theology and I think these videos are pretty great and mostly on-point. :)

[@Mateus_Carvalho]

Walpole's a Time Lord, ain't he?

[@brycevo]

"For the love of God, will you all stop fighting!" The Letter, Basically Sorta

[@Ipineforthefjords]

Arius himself wasn't exactly helpful, stirring up unrest when he wasn't elected bishop of Alexandria...

[@GallowglassAxe]

I agree. It was Walpole.

[@yourethatmantis5178]

somehow it's always Walpole its almost uncanny.

[@ThePerpetualStudent]

My ADHD is so bad at 39 years of age. Thank you for including the drawing, they really helped me concentrate. Truly appreciate it. God bless.

[@jetstreamjackie3437]

It was *definitely* Walpole. That, or the council fails miserably. Heck, it's probably both

[@Darkknightzoey]

You know, a Muslim friend of mine was asking about the Trinity not too long ago and I couldn't for the life of me explain it to him. This actually helped a little, which was something I wasn't expecting. Thanks, guys.

[@ichthysseer4454]

+Cobalt Conqueror Okay so this is the best way I have heard the trinity being explained, if you ever bring it up with your muslim friend again, The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not to be understood as being three Gods, but as three forms in One, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. The same way that water (H2O) is only one element, but can take three different forms, solid form in ice, liquid form as water, and gaseous form in evaporation, so also can God be understood as being One yet having three forms in this trinity concept. And even this explanation is not to be understood as something perfect to describe what God is truly like, God should still be understood more of as a mystery

[@jonbaxter2254]

8:35 "It was Walpole". I KNEW IT!

[@betyg4606]

Thank you for your honesty about what you know and don't know.

[@averagepikfan2686]

4:47 this is the most beautiful image to have graced earth

[@hu3ll0]

I was never a huge extra credits fan even when you guys were on the escapist I never really saw more than two episodes. But extra history rocks! I have been junking on episodes and really gotten a huge insight into stuff I usually wouldn't be interested in. Wonderful story telling, and exposition without too much bias,. Expect my "patreonship" to be made within the day... or whenever the bank makes the transfer. Great job guys!

[@TS-dd3ib]

It's hard to define the Trinity on the Internet. And yet in some ways the Trinity is like the internet. The Father is the cloud/server, the Holy Ghost is the software, and the Son is the interface. They are all separate and one at the same time.

[@TS-dd3ib]

Plus nobody REALLY knows how it all works, and some people think its cognitive.

[@slendy9600]

thats actually a pretty good way to explain

[@twistedtachyon5877]

best trinity metaphor I've ever heard, actually. It's not clearly wrong at first glance! Well done.

[@tonysladky8925]

+Sam D The Trinity is a series of tubes? I know it's definitely not a big truck…

[@TS-dd3ib]

+Pan kurczak Wow, Pan. I was just trying to explain a Christian concept (real or not) by analogizing it to the internet. I wasn't pushing religion at all. But sorry if you're too frail and sensitive to handle that. Sheesh. Regarding understanding how the Internet works, it isn't just that I personally don't understand it. It is a fact that nobody can TRULY wrap their mind around the Stack (as Benjamin Bratton likes to call it). It has gotten too big and complex for the human mind. Any expert on the matter (such as Bratton) would (and do) agree with that.

[@danielvasquez8091]

As a Christian and a somewhat theologian let me say good job giving something that is so insanely complicated and wildly debated to this day making it simple unbiased and truly honest description it leaves a lot to be dug into by those who want to know and touches enough to understand the historical part of this thing that has shaped the western world

[@nanda-re2yp]

Well that escalated quickly...

[@lukebaker5135]

You should rewatch these videos

[@nanda-re2yp]

@@lukebaker5135 what

[@MathDM329]

The Trinity is one of the hardest concepts to understand. There is no easy way to explain it. You are a brave man for explaining the Trinity on the internet.

[@jedimasterpickle3]

I love how Walpole keeps worming his way into every series since the South Sea Bubble.

[@mkvenner2]

+jedimasterpickle3 This why people should learn history

[@robertwalpole360]

+jedimasterpickle3 You can't get rid of Walpole so easily.

[@jedimasterpickle3]

Robert Walpole Apparently Walpole's influence even spreads to KZbin comment sections xD

[@robertwalpole360]

***** You bet it does.

[@rootkriger8978]

Man that was brilliant, fantastic work. I love your channel. keep it coming.

[@Eitans88]

Dat ending was spot on.

[@Cometstarlight]

Man, I can't wait for that end music to be released as its own video. It is absolutely gorgeous!

[@ShinigamiSparda]

INSERT 2000 YEAR LONG EXASPERATED SIGH HERE

[@ericcloud1023]

How much I love this channel, I found you originally while searching for historic stuff, I'm so glad I did I've watched every history episode, and now I'm working through your game content, I love you guys/gals!!!

[@ThePa1riot]

5:08 Well I can skip this part. B) *Uncharacteristically smug in my Catholicism*

[@BlackPrince1330]

+Anthony Clay (Steel Accord) I watched to make sure he did a good job---which he did!

[@ThePa1riot]

BlackPrince1330 With these guys? I never doubt. They're great.

[@azelfdaboi5265]

*Athiest Intensifies*

[@hq4287]

@@azelfdaboi5265 Haha

[@DoctorMagdaki]

You guys are so awesome. I love your videos. Thanks so much for making all of these. I had never heard Admiral Yi and Mary Seacole and I'm so glad that now I know of them. This latest series is very interesting.

[@netherwalker1762]

Spoiler, no, no they do not.

[@elijahbachrach6579]

I'm Christian. I appreciate the very professional and sensitive way in which you guys tried to handle our deepest subjects of doctrine. I hope you guys do series on other religions too, like Islam and Buddhism. And if you do, I trust you'll be careful and sensitive with their doctrines too.

[@robmckennie4203]

As it turns out, they could have solved all of their problems, but their fate of thousands of years of in-fighting was sealed with 5 words. You know nothing, John Snow.

[@MugenHeadNinja]

I cry every time I see Justinian, my favorite Extra History thus far.

[@theMosen]

5:45 It's not a difficult concept, it's self-contradictory concept.

[@iluan_]

That's the whole deal of the Unitarian churches. To see God as one being, who performs three different roles at different situations.

[@theMosen]

@@iluan_ Sure, never mind all those times when he talks and prays to himself or sits next to himself in heaven. I guess he's just one heavy case of dissociative identity disorder.

[@LauchlinM.]

As someone whom is a (admittedly lapsed) Catholic of the Roman Rite, I must applaud Extra History for succinctly informing people (of varying faiths and beliefs) whom may not be in the know as to how the Holy Trinity works.

[@purplepoint9357]

So the internet is a ninja cat with a golden pistol riding a white gold fire breathing unicorn in front of smoke a castle and a rainbow?

[@vidblogger12]

+LordOfCombat Yes. What else did you expect?

[@purplepoint9357]

Hilfigertout Something a little more over the top.

[@armvex]

like?

[@purplepoint9357]

armvex It's indescribable.

[@purplsheep6271]

Got a sweat shirt covered with that picture.

[@DallenMalna]

I just wanted to thank you guys (and the comments too) for being kind to Christianity and it's followers...I feel often today it's the popular thing to pick on easy targets(Westborough ect.) instead of actually talking about this stuff...I also appreciate you guys sticking to the history of it as much as possible while still doing good research on what the actual doctrine is...to sum up. thanks!

[@kevindaydreamer]

It's always Walpole! He has his thumbs in so many pies!

[@RipplzMusic]

Extra history is literally the best show on youtube

[@kpopninja]

Well considering the Roman Catholic church prays the Nicene Creed every mass. I think it's safe to say that some form of truce and understanding came about this.

[@aidanwansbrough7495]

Really enjoying this series! Thank you :)

[@nastrael]

Santa is gonna punch someone in the face, iirc.

[@timothymclean]

6:58: "...squabbling worse than pagan cults." While rewatching, that phrase jumped out at me. It made me wonder both how the pre-Christian religions of the Roman Empire interacted (with each other and their neighbors), and why a Roman empire where everyone (theoretically) agreed that there was one god and his son was Jesus got along so much worse than one where everyone (theoretically) agreed only that there was at least one god.

[@DarkProtoss123]

"I am going to now try and define the Trinity on the Internet." That's the equivalent of opening Pandora's Box to a KZbin Comment Section. ...Then again what isn't.

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Great video, people ask me why as an atheist I care to read so much on ancient Christianity and Islam but as these videos show there is a lot of history and disagreement to untangle. You have centuries of thought and struggle to get through and these videos don't even cover the many other heretical groups like the Gnostics, Sabellianism, Marcionism, or Montanism.

[@LaZodiac]

Fuck yeah the Council of Nicia. The infamous event where Santa Claus grabs a man by the beard and just starts punching his face in for believing in God slightly different than he does.

[@michaelkochie9783]

I just finished my bachelor's in biblical theological studies and will be working towards a master's in the same. Something I want to add concerning your Trinitarian explanation is the verbiage "one in essence three in persons". Confessionally this is the language used to describe the relationship between the persons. Love your guys show!