Eastern Catholic Churches: A Roman Catholic Perspective, Brian Daley

Plenary session "The Eastern Catholic Churches - A Roman Catholic Perspective Fifty Years after Orientalium ecclesiarum" by Brian Daley, SJ. Introduction by Very Rev. Dr. Peter Galadza at the conference "The Vatican II Decree on the Eastern Catholic Churches, Orientalium ecclesiarum - Fifty Years Later", University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada, 17 October 2014.
- 4:35 Signs of contradiction, Orthodox counterparts
- 4:50 Eastern Catholic churches referred to as "uniates".
- 5:15 Rome and Orthodox family coming together in spirit of fraternal equality and respect
- 5:20 Height of tensions in Eastern Europe, break up of Soviet empire. International Orthodox Commission, 1990
- 6:03 Balamand declaration (statement). Uniatism is officially over. Balamand statement written in anger, Orthodox anger.
- 7:10 Gangs in Western Ukraine interrupting divine litury, Polish Catholic nuns, Orthodox bishops.
- 7:40 Real obsticle keeping eastern and western Christians apart was Roman ecclesiastical imperialism.
- 8:40 World after communism needed to catch its breath
- 9:42 Eastern churches united to Rome offerred possible recipe for reunion
- 10:31 Reflections on the history of Eastern Catholic churches. East West schism.
- 11:09 Maronite Church, monastic origins in mountains of Lebanon, explicitly reaffirmened its unity with the west in 1182 AD during crusader invasion.
Organized by the Metropolitan Andrey Sheptytsky Institute of Eastern Christian Studies
www.sheptytskyi...
Co-sponsored by
- The Near East Welfare Association
- Centre for Research on the Second Vatican Council in Canada, St. Michael's College Toronto
- Research on Vatican II and 21st Century Catholicism, Saint Paul University, Ottawa
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[@savedbygrace8337]

Romans 1:25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen

[@SuperGreatSphinx]

Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum. Benedícta tu in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus. Sáncta María, Máter Déi, óra pro nóbis peccatóribus, nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae. Ámen.

[@georgios7191]

@David Phillips That’s totally false, since Vatican II Rome has encouraged Easterners to become more eastern (in spirituality, theology, etc..)

[@georgios7191]

@David Phillips oh ok Yeah

[@SuperFree06]

As a Ukrainian, I would like to make a few brief points: 1. The Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church arose in the C17th, when parts of the Orthodox Metropolia of Kyiv and some other Orthodox Bishops in Ukraine signed the Treaty or Union of Brest with the Roman Catholic Church. The reason for the Union was not theological, but political. The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople had just recognised the validity of the Moscow Patriarchy and placed Kyiv under it's control. Union with Rome was a manoeuvre by some Ukrainian Orthodox clergy to avoid that control by Moscow of Kyiv. 2. The large majority of Orthodox in Ukraine rejected the treaty or Union of Brest as they were not prepared to abandon Orthodoxy regardless of leadership at that time. 3. Despite efforts by the Uniate Ukrainian Bishops to maintain Orthodox traditions, forms of worship and theology, the next 300 years saw the progressive 'Latinisation' of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church - first under the Polish/Lithuanian Commonwealth, and then under the Hapsburg Austro Hungarian Empire. In reality, the UGCC flourished only in the western part of Ukraine controlled by those Roman Catholic powers albeit in significantly latinised forms. 4. Under both the Tsars & the Soviets, both the Ukrainian Orthodox and Catholic Churches were banned and liquidated violently. 5. When UGCC Bishop Josif Slipij was released from the Soviet Gulag in the 1960's and brought to Rome, the Pope asked him to become a Roman Catholic Cardinal with responsibility over the Ukrainian Catholics (Byzantine Rite). Bishop Slipij, rejected this title and in an effort to 'de-Latinise' the Ukrainian Catholic Church, he asked the Pope to allow him to become Patriarch of the Ukrainian Catholic Church - mirroring Orthodox governance traditions. The Pope granted his request, but consequently excluded him from Conclaves and Councils reserved only for Roman Catholic Cardinals. Fr. Morozowich referred to Patriarch Slipij as "Cardinal". This was factually inaccurate. He was a Patriarch. 6. Under Patriarch Slipij, the Ukrainian Catholic Church rapidly de-Latinised its outward forms of worship and traditions to bring them closer in line with those of the Ukrainian Orthodox. These forms still differed slightly from the Orthodox Ukrainians but not significantly. In exchange for this right, he agreed not to try to influence Vatican 2 which proceeded to strip the Roman Catholic Church of the remaining traditions which it held in common with Eastern Orthodoxy. 7. Patriarch Slipij, however, was unable to remove Ukrainian Catholics from the mandates of Roman Catholic Dogma. Although he tried to de-emphasise these Dogmas, (the Filioque; Purgatory; the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary; Substitutionary Atonement etc...) he was required to accept these Dogmas which are rejected in Orthodox theology which initially remained intact within the Ukrainian Catholic Church at the Union of Brest. To this day, Ukrainian Catholics are in full accord with Roman Catholic Dogma although they assiduously avoid these issues with their own flock. 8. Today, the Moscow Patriarchate has lost control over the large majority of Orthodox Ukrainians who now belong to the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church (Omphorion of the Ecumenical Patriarchate), and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kyivan Patriarchate (Omphorion of Kyiv awaiting recognition by the EP). To a large extent, the driving force for the Union of Brest no longer exists, because Moscow no longer controls the large majority of Orthodox in Ukraine. 9. Although the Ukrainian Orthodox and Catholic Churches are 'Sister Churches', the relationship between them has been severely damaged by the relationship of the Roman Catholic Church with the Ecumenical Patriarchate of the Orthodox Church. The Ecumenical Patriarchate considers both the UAOC and the UOC-KP in Ukraine to be non-canonical on Ukrainian territory, or in other words, 'schismatic'. This is because the UAOC only has recognition by the EP outside of Ukrainian territory, and UOC-KP has no recognition to date. 10. The reason why the relationship of the three Ukrainian Sister Churches (UGCC, UAOC and UOC-KP) has been damaged in Ukraine, is as an unintended consequence of the agreement between Rome and Constantinople not to have relations with any Church considered "Schismatic" by the other, as a part of the Catholic - Orthodox Unity Dialogue. This means that in Ukraine, The UGCC is forbidden to have formal relations with it's sister Ukrainian Orthodox Churches, and is forced into formal relations only with the Moscow Patriarchate in Ukraine. This restriction is almost universally despised by Ukrainian Catholics (and Orthodox) wherever it is understood to be the case. Ukrainian Catholics are particularly wounded by this restriction, and have on numerous occasions sought to overturn it, without success.

[@peternader4057]

David, how do you come with that conclusion? If it is through St Peter being the Rock, well he was in Antioch first and for 8 years. The Catholic church started in the East, then the West

[@peternader4057]

@David Phillips Infallibility is the issue causing division. The Roman Catholic church caused division the Eastern Church and amongst its self over Infallibility, filique and the Primary of the Bishop of Rome. I searched and searched and could not find these beliefs in the first 700 years of the Church I am not a convert to the Church, I am a born baptized Roman Catholic that is now an Eastren Catholic. I pray for the unity of the East and West to become 1 Holy Catholic Orthodox church. I also believe that this unity should open the eyes of most protestants to come to the faith that Jesus created.

[@peternader4057]

@David Phillips if I am not mistaken Vaticancatholic, which someone claiming.to be brother Peter is not considered part of the Church. Please validate the material. Yes Jesus turns to Peter and also to the other Disciples. As I stated earlier Antioch can claim the same as Rome. Look at the first 700 years of the Church, the primary of the Bishop of Rome is not there

[@jw-vx8im]

@@peternader4057 I'm roman Catholic and I believe the issue of infallibility is a large obstacle for any genuine ecumenical dialogue let alone reunification. How can a man whoever he maybe be infallible. History tells us this is impossible

[@coralbricks]

@@jw-vx8im Don't call a dogma an issue, please. the Pope is infallible only when Ex Cathedra. That does not mean he is incapable of error in his daily life. Some instances of infallible declarations, from the Wikipedia article about Papal Infalibility: 1)Tome to Flavian, Pope Leo I, 449, on the two natures in Christ, received by the Council of Chalcedon; 2)Letter of Pope Agatho, 680, on the two wills of Christ, received by the Third Council of Constantinople; 3)Benedictus Deus, Pope Benedict XII, 1336, on the beatific vision of the just after death rather than only just prior to final judgment;[62] 4)Cum occasione, Pope Innocent X, 1653, condemning five propositions of Jansen as heretical; 5)Auctorem fidei, Pope Pius VI, 1794, condemning several Jansenist propositions of the Synod of Pistoia as heretical; 6)Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius IX, 1854, defining the Immaculate Conception; 7)Munificentissimus Deus, Pope Pius XII, 1950, defining the Assumption of Mary.

[@junesilvermanb2979]

Will there ever be an Eastern Catholic Pope? ❤️

[@margaretklos8937]

PJPII was half Ukrainian and his parents were married in the UGCC. 😉

[@cabellero1120]

No.

[@manuelfaelnar4794]

Obstacles to unity: filoique clause, papal infallibility

[@willhunter7363]

Are you saying these Churches aren't in unity? These are Eastern Catholic churches not Orthodox. They profess the supremacy of Rome.

[@adolphCat]

@@willhunter7363 Is that so? I have a friend who is a Greek Catholic, she was born in Ukraine. She considers herself to be an Orthodox in Communion with the Western Latin Church. If it is inconvenient to participate in the Divine Liturgy in her Uniate Church, she will take Communion and other sacraments in the Orthodox Church. However, she is very uncomfortable in worshipping at a Roman Catholic Mass. I talked to her priest and he also understands himself to be an Orthodox in Communion with Rome, he rejects the doctrinal innovations of the Roman Catholic Church, however such as the filioque, purgatory, Papal Infallibility etc. It seems that for both my friend and her priest union with Rome is more of a political thing rather than a religious thing.

[@willhunter7363]

@@adolphCat If he directly rejects doctrines of Rome he should be excommunicated per the cannon law of the Eastern Churches which clearly state that the decrees of Rome must be accepted

[@adolphCat]

@@willhunter7363 I don't believe that your idea that other Apostolic Churches are subservient to the Roman Catholic Church would be well taken by Uniates in general. Eastern Catholics have a distinctive Spirituality and Theology from the Roman Catholics. Most people will not easily accept 2nd class citizenship in the Church inorder to be in Communion with Rome. It might be surprising for you to know that many people in Ukraine take Prince St. Vladimir decision against Western Christianity seriously. Even the Greek Catholics in Ukraine claim to belong to the Church that St. Vladimir founded. Loyalty to the Prince that founded the nation and who is considered the Apostle to the Ukrainian and Russian peoples is strong among both Orthodox and Uniates in both Ukraine and Russia. They don't consider Western Christianity superior to their historical form of Christianity.

[@willhunter7363]

@@adolphCat I'm not disputing that the true Eastern Catholic rites are not equal to the West but those that do not recognize the Pope as the ultimate arbiter have no right to call themselves Catholic even though some do. It's not a democracy, the autonomy of the Eastern Churches is relative to what is allowed by the Pope. Anything else isn't actually Catholic and is a schismatic sect.

[@catrinaciccone6945]

Ciao Fr Peter, from Fr A Arturo Armonda DMin former colleague of your niece Dr Elena and a Catholic priest.