Eastern Europe is not real

[@Kraut_the_Parrot]

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[@strawberrykun6136]

Slayyy

[@Arrow14100]

Bro really did Slovenia dirty with those cat ears lmao

[@JmKrokY]

Cool

[@JmKrokY]

​@@Arrow14100Slovenes are femboys

[@JmKrokY]

​@@JohnGeometresMaximosNo?

[@vneezy]

The real eastern Europe was the friends we made along the way

[@breadcat0469]

Real

[@ReySchultz121]

Like 30+ friends

[@flapablesteak8986]

True 😂 ✌️✌️

[@That_guy-s2l]

And the experiences we've made, that will help us to prevent future mistakes

[@appa609]

if you get offended by being called Eastern European, you are Eastern European.

[@DuckSwagington]

There is a joke among slavic countries which is that Eastern Europe starts to the east of their own country, as no one wants to be seen as eastern european.

[@guydreamr]

To the east is Mordor.

[@LMB222]

Or east of your region 😂 "Od Konina Azja się zaczyna" - east of Konin (town) is all Asia

[@profet1385]

@@LMB222 Funny :) I'm Polish and didn't know this one!

[@freekmulder3662]

Not even only Slavic, here in Netherlands we say that Eastern Europe starts at the Ruhr and in France (from the Romans) they say that Eastern Europe starts at the Rhine

[@breezeout]

This is literally Žižek's "official geographical limit" video

[@dwightk.schrute8696]

Hello from Czechia, please don't rob me of the opportunity to explain to you how we're Central Europe and not Eastern Europe, it's all we have.

[@BagelBoy97]

Czechia, the only country who is remembered internationally as the joke country who “is obsessed with their geography”, even though having an insane amount of history and culture that could easily rival Vienna and Paris.

[@neres5795]

Honestly, czechia is quite firmly a western nation. Us Slovaks on the other hand, yikes.

[@wolight]

To be fair I have never seen a definition of "central Europe" that wasn't missing a few countries or had a few too many

[@AngryCrazyRussian]

Терпи, лимитроф

[@shutout951]

You also have one kind of beer that you pour different ways

[@G-Rat124]

American here, so not exactly who you were looking for an answer from. I always lumped those countries together as former soviet countries. In my head without thinking too hard, I would further group them together subconsciously as the Czechs and Poles, the Balkans, and then everyone else. It's probably due to the fact that in school we mostly learn about the Poles and Czechs with ww2, all the historic conflicts in the balkans, and then not a lot else. It also probably helps that there are a lot of people with Polish ancestry where I'm from, and they are quite emphatic about it. This video does make me feel the need to drop the term eastern european from my vocabulary and to be more specific and concise in my language. Good video as always, kraut.

[@LuaanTi]

That was always the point of that designation, yes. And it survived intact quite long, unlike others like... did you know that 1st, 2nd and 3rd world countries were all about alignment in the cold war, and not at all about wealth? A typical 3rd world country would be a poor place like, say... Switzerland :D 1st world was NATO and aligned countries, 2nd world was Warshaw Pact and aligned countries and 3rd world was "neutral". And of course, "former Soviet countries" spans the whole gamut from "living in a yurt with a single goat" to "actual industrial centre of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire". And to be fair, there was a lot of wealth spreading between the countries, though of course a lot of that wealth still found its way into "Russia". And don't forget that this was after the destruction of WW2 where Western Europe got a huge amount of rebuilding support from the US and Eastern Europe didn't, so it's not all about "the communism". Though to be fair again, a lot of countries like Czechia were meant to be part of the Marshal plan too and were well into that, but "Russia" boycotted that.

[@Adriano70911]

@@LuaanTi very good point, two things are missing. Western countries even received huge reparations from Germany while countries like Poland received nothing again thanks to Soviets which forced them to reject it. The second thing is Soviets were literally robbing these countries out of resources like coal or gold

[@DemosApollo]

I learnt eastern europe is just the russian sphere of influence.

[@khastanien3476]

@@LuaanTi interestingly enough, there was an international plan to give financial aid to soviet sattelite countries as well but Moscow pressured them to decline the offer with promises that "the soviet countries will all take care of each other". We all know how well they delivered on that.

[@purplestonehenge4501]

To simplify this, The west and north got occupied and became vasal states while the Balkans had their own flavour of communism.

[@Anacronian]

"The French being French" is a perfectly good explanation for everything that happens in France.

[@TheAmericanPrometheus]

French people ☕

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative. It gets the people going.

[@amelie1287]

Honestly, I didn't understand this sentence 🤔

[@ungergabor]

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

[@bjornodin]

​@@amelie1287I take it, you are not french?

[@rkt7414]

Imagine cracking the "I only eat Russians" joke in front of a judge in a real life werewolf-ism trial 💀

[@Kraut_the_Parrot]

Yep. This actually happened.

[@rkt7414]

@@Kraut_the_Parrot I thought you were doing a deadpan joke for the video! That was real?!!

[@Kraut_the_Parrot]

@@rkt7414 Yes. I'll give you some more information if you are interested. The werewolf trial happened during a protestant witchcraze in the Latvia town of Jaunpils in 1621. The accused was an 80 year old man who claimed to be a werewolf and "a man of the hound god". He claimed to protect the village crops by turning into a werewolf and hunting those who would steal the town crops. He also performed religious rituals for the "hound god". One of his defenses during his trial was "I only eat Russians". If you want to learn more you can read "Night Battles - Witchcraft and Agrarian cults in the 16th and 17th century" by Carlo Ginzberg.

[@taptiotrevizo9415]

​@Kraut_the_Parrot This was literally the 17th century equivalent of Japanese Officer going "we only killed 102" or paraphrasing.

[@letoatreides5165]

We need him on the front lines ASAP

[@1paris1942]

What I learned from this video is that I TOTALLY want to be a 16th century Polish vampire.

[@B1gLupu]

Reasonable

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

A Russian in other words....

[@LMB222]

You want to get my wife pregnant? Fair enough 😂

[@lookash3048]

No, you want, you would be stuck on the earth until Doomsday and become demon exhausted by too long existence.

[@csonracsonra9962]

😂​@@SirAntoniousBlock

[@DirtPerson]

I remember going to Krakow back in 2015. I'm an American, and that was the first time I'd set foot on continental Europe. I was absolutely astounded by the beauty of the city and the quality of the beer! It completely changed my understanding of "Eastern Europe."

[@Bear-c4x]

No. You’re Canadian. Not American.

[@markustillmann3772]

​@@Bear-c4xplease tell me, on what continent is canada located?

[@Bear-c4x]

@ North America.

[@Tusiriakest]

I'm Portuguese. My girlfriend is Italian. When, in the summer of 2022, I told my 84yo granny that I was visiting my girlfriend's parents in northern Italy, she begged me not to go because of Putin's invasion of Ukraine. When I told her that Ukraine was pretty far from Italy she told me: "all those eastern countries are the same to me". So in some sense, what you call eastern, center, western, is also a matter of your POV.

[@jestfuldemigod]

Grandmothers are so pure 💓💓

[@Dyknown]

I heard a similar response where a man told his grandmother he was marrying someone from South America and he was told “aren’t they all PROTESTANT down there?”

[@eskipoI]

Se para a tua avó o norte da Itália é ligada com o conceito de europa de leste, então Portugal é a Ásia Central 😂😂😂

[@Tusiriakest]

@@eskipoI Portugal é Bálcãs xD

[@LodrikBadric]

Haha that's hilarious, I'm dying! 🤣 But I though the same about perspective; north, south, east and west are so unspecific terms to name a region.

[@doctorson7026]

As a Pole, I have never even thought about Euro 2012 being turning point for perception of ex-communist block nation for rest of europe, thats intresting observation

[@DMasterplanL]

Because it wasn't.

[@RafaelW8]

@@DMasterplanL It was.

[@dmitrykirillov539]

@@RafaelW8 It wasn't. It happened in 2006

[@cleightorres3841]

the german guy is lying why? i dont know but you are correct

[@Historia-sc1pi]

I don't know anything like enough to dispute Kraut's proposition there but it seemed to me like a something a better-informed viewer may have found hysterical.

[@Pioneer_DE]

Rip to all Eastern Europeans who realized they aren't real.

[@karl1ok]

The rapture came early to them

[@CrowCheck]

"Mr Kraut, I don't feel so good..." *proceeds to turn into ash*

[@yarovitek]

Literally nobody self-identifies as "Eastern Europeans". So yes, they aren't real.

[@poltergeist69]

iam currently disolving. help

[@scasino9358]

all 0 of them. Because like Kraut says, people here don't consider themselves "eastern european".

[@salamanders6969]

As a citizen of former Yugoslavia the single best thing back then was the fact that YU was never subjugated by tyrannical Soviets. I’m so happy that I grew up in the 70’s and the 80’s in the society that was culturally oriented towards the West and that we were free to travel anywhere.

[@ribbon8677]

My mental image of "Eastern Europe" collapsed completely when I travelled to Poland with my high school on an Erasmus+ project: we had to make a simple cardboard representation of some buildings and while we, the Italian group, used (poorly made) balsa wood, the Czechs and Polish came with 3D printed 100% true-to-real-life models. From then on my view completely changed on the region and that's why I think that Erasmus projects are the most useful long-term investments of the EU on its citizens. You can't learn everything about a country from abroad, you need to visit it.

[@LMB222]

That's why I'll defend Erasmus to death, even though I'm very aware that "Erasmus Orgasmus" is a thing.

[@tree9215]

I live in an apartment with 3 rooms that often get rented out to Erasmus students. It's been one of the most enriching experiences in my live and I've made a lot of friends through it.

[@Alex-xt7yb]

That's what Erasmus is all about.

[@LibertyDino]

If you want to see a degrading country Germany is very good at it rn

[@wauwau4896]

“PAPER FOR THE PAPER GOD” As a German, I cannot emphasize enough how accurately this describes the German bureaucracy...

[@noodleppoodle]

Why don't you guys... I don't know... change it??

[@Enyavar1]

@@noodleppoodle change it?? Are you aware that if you want to obsolete for example form C12, this requires form A39, printed in triplicate, then scanned into a PDF then hand-signed by your superiors who then need to upload it to three different government agencies who will each have a 50% likelyhood to DENY the request!

[@FAMI-ep9ok]

​@@Enyavar1form A39?! Wasn't it form A38? Did I miss something important or did the official "office of bureaucratic nonsense" forget to update us on changes AGAIN?!

[@domexn4]

@@noodleppoodle Any changes to the bureaucracy would require it going through the bureaucracy first.

[@dano4996]

It is a great description of France too.

[@imcbocian]

As a Pole, that's fine. I'm ok with living in fairytale, or even not existing at all. As long as I don't have to live in Russki Mir

[@kisfekete]

As a Hungarian who supports Ukraine I absolutely agree.

[@Jalex92]

As an American I think Poland is a kick ass country. Winged Hussars are basass.

[@bunyaminyilmaz3798]

@@Jalex92 As a amrican :) the good dudes

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

Good luck with that

[@iustinmuresanu5616]

Amen from Romania, brother!

[@Martlns]

As someone from Latvia, the term Eastern Europe is straight up derogatory and we absolutely hate it.

[@KiloOne]

I don’t like being called Eastern European, but I hate being called Russian even more

[@MrGleboPedo]

Yeah, term Western Russia suits more 😄

[@zelena.pupavka]

Wait... I thought Latvia was geographically Eastern European

[@zepter00]

@@zelena.pupavka no. Eastern border of Europe is in Ural mountains. Ural mountins are from Latvia as far on east as Spain in on west.

[@jonson856]

@examplenameyoutube Which alternative term would you prefer?

[@ngeezy]

No one wants to be Eastern European because the label denotes a place of low quality but in reality a lot of these countries are great places with lovely people!

[@Dommifax]

This - I feel that since the 90s it has most often been used to describe the one thing they have in common: being post soviet and thus being economically devastated - which coloured the term until it always carried this slight sence of soviet-caused-decay with it even when not explicitly stated and even now when it does not apply at all to many of them anymore

[@Sunrah]

​@@Dommifax well still, we are very underdeveloped compared to western europe. there's a reason me and a lot of my countrymen live in the west, it has to do with economic opportunity. yes it's not as bad as it was but it's also not good enough to go home.

[@RTDice11]

Tbh, I wonder if the collective zeitgeist thinks the "Baltics" are the same as the "Balkans"

[@jamalisujang2712]

I once met a Slovenian tourist in my shop. His tire was flat. He is surprised I don't overcharge him. 😂😂😂

[@JABN97]

@@Dommifaxpersonally I, having been born in 1997, always considered the post-communism to be more about post-Sovjet politics & a still lingering political culture of corruption, which caused the economic difference. With the fading of that corruption in many states comes an equality of economy. If I’d had to guess I would say it would take about 30 years (a generation) of dedicated labor to fix that culture. And for most countries (outside at a guess: Russia Belarusia Serbia Romania Hungary Bulgaria and Ukraine) that is roughly correct.

[@lilconfused686]

Even before watching the video I will admit that as a Lithuanian, I do ponder my existence on a frequent basis

[@karl1ok]

A most lithuanian exercise alltogether

[@munkeefinkelbeen5395]

You *do* exist. You *are* valid. ....wait.....why are you disappearing? Noooooooo!

[@starmaker75]

Well when are inbewteen sweden and Russia, their a lot things you question

[@Beizpienasierins]

A lot of Lithuanians seem to do that

[@LidojosaisJanis]

Same, Latvian bralukai here xd

[@jak00bspyr72]

"Poland is in Eastern Europe" Poles: *visible anger*

[@Rodzyniastyyyy]

Wait until you see the Czechs.

[@Tablis0]

Oh yes, I'm Polish, I can confirm. To this day I remember article from 2015, where they called CD Projekt (developers of Witcher series) "eastern European studio".

[@Gnefitisis]

No. Im proud.

[@golonkowiczpl]

You can see clear difference in Poland betwean polish old german lands (western civilisation) and polish old russian lands (eastern)

[@supratimdipta1585]

Yes, I also saw this in a gaming community 😂

[@robert4598]

Ich habe deinen Kanal gerade erste entdeckt, aber ich merke, dass da viel Herzblut und Bildung drinstecken. Die Infos scheinen Quellen zu haben und es ist sehr schön gemacht. Vielen Dank!

[@Zman44444]

As a Latvian, I can say the country ball being smooshed is a vibe. We’re all slightly squished here.

[@HanSolo__]

As a Pole, I think of Lithuania and Latvia as a family. People of the entire Europe I treat as my friends. I was treated very well in every European country I visited. Belarus included. And I love each of those countries. I visited the USSR when I was a small kid. I have never been to Russia. ps. As of now, I don't find myself visiting Russia anytime soon.

[@benas_st]

⁠@@HanSolo__ I'd say our family ties are quite complicated, but in the 21st century Poland is definitely family as is Latvia. let's hope one day Belarus as a country can be part of that family too...

[@LordDamianus]

@@benas_st I'm another Pole and I feel closer to Czechia and Slovakia. Lithuania and especially Latvia and Estonia are too different countries from Poland.

[@Serratus648]

@@benas_st Well, we (Poles) did accidentally f****-up that relationship we had with Czechs and Slovaks, Lithuanians and Ukrainians. But here's hoping it will mend in time.

[@tkg__]

@@Serratus648 we messed up with all our neighbours, especially in the early 1900s. That was one of the reasons why Poland was so isolated in 1920 and 1939.

[@apinakapina]

As a Finn the term Eastern Europe has intuitively been always sort of weird to me. We consider ourselves Nordic and Western, but if you check the map there's only like parts of Ukraine and Belarussia that are more to the East than Finland before we hit the Mother Russia. It's a political term as much as Finlandization was a political phenomenon driven by our huge neighbour.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

Why would it be weird? It depends on the position relative to the Iron Curtain. Finland was on the happy, free side of the Iron Curtain, so that would be the West. We were on the sad, Gulag side, so we're in the East.

[@apinakapina]

@@octavianpopescu4776 Yeah, you're right about that. And Finland stayed free by happenstance more than anything... but still we were relatively free in that sense. But talking about my own headspace - I get the political stuff, but still using "East" instead of like "Soviet" seems weird to me.

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@apinakapina Well, not all of us were part of the USSR. My country, Romania, was never part of it, so East is still the best word to use.

[@romantroshkin3142]

Belarus*

[@Kniazhnami]

Belarus is correct

[@Artur_M.]

Fun fact: the Polish word "upiór" and related words in other Slavic languages, which are the origin of "vampire" (edit: including the Serbian "вампир", which seems to be most directly related to it), are themselves perhaps of Turkic origin. Meanwhile, the word "vampire" came back to Polish as "wampir". An average Polish speaker might not even realize the connection between "upiór" and "wampir".

[@Hadar1991]

Isn't "wąpierz" an original Polish word for a vampire?

[@Artur_M.]

@@Hadar1991 Kinda, an alternative term/synonym.

[@Beefy_B0y330]

In English it's borrowed from the Serbian word vampir

[@Gratell]

@@Artur_M. zawsze udaje mi się ciebie gdzieś w głębi komentarzy znaleźć, z ciekawymi informacjami - jest pan wszędzie xD

[@fulopmeszaros5330]

I would like a participation trophy for hungary, as the leader of draco knights, dracula was also an inspiration for the first western vampire (and not vlad the impaler, who didnt kill traitors at night, didnt have a castle in transylvania, etc)

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

Average German, Slovak, Austrian, Slovene, Czech, Pole, Swiss and Northern Italian have much more in common historically, culturally, geographically and even linguistically to some extend than they have individually with Greeks, Fins, Norwegians or Spaniards. Basically HRE (Holly Roman Empire) and adjacent powers (Austro-Hungarian empire, core of Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth) is a distinct region. In my opinion Western Europe ends on Rhine where Central Europe begins and continues all the way to eastern margins of Carpathians in Ukraine where Eastern Europe begins.

[@rajuskosalvador3141]

If you think the Swiss and northern Italians have more to do with Slovakia than Russia or Ukraine does you need to check into a mental hospital

[@chrishieke1261]

Hmm. I must contradict Kraut: the term "Eastern Europe" has a deep founded cultural meaning - Eastern Europe is everything east of the German and Austro-Hungarian borders. The Czech Republic ('Bohemia') was an integral part of the former HRE is clearly Middle/Central Europe, as is Hungary (which is also kind of its own thing altogether), Slowenia and the parts of Poland that were German (Silesia, Pommerania, West Prussia and East Prussia). Arguably the western parts of the historic Poland (=non German parts) including Warsaw can be considered as the most Middle/Central European part of Eastern Europe. The Baltics are not part of Middle/Central Europe, although their large cities with strong western influences (ex Hanseatic League) are some sort of outposts. It is interesting however, that the cultural/political/economical elites in "Eastern Europe" have been "Western/Central European" for centuries. A Polish aristocrat had much more in common with its German or French counterparts, as have the artists (think of Chopin, Dostojevsky, Tschaikowsky) and scientists. But those elites do not represent the whole nations and can not change the character of that nation.

[@AndreyFedorov1992]

What about south and north borders?

[@NeoCavo]

Paper for the Paper God fucking killed me and I've never even been to Germany.

[@Yora21]

I am from Germany. And it is true.

[@sapheiron]

@@Yora21 Seconded!

[@Viruseek1337]

I am from Poland, and while some of my friends are or have been working in Germany, all of them spoke of unspeakable horrors one has to endure to buy a can of coke

[@Otek_Nr.3]

INK FOR THE INK THRONE!

[@antonnurwald5700]

​@@Viruseek1337when you walk into a shop or a cafe, invariably you will see either a sign "no cards, cash only" or "no cash, cards only" and you have no way if knowing beforehand which one it is.

[@starzainia]

As someone from Eastern Europe, I can confirm I don't exist.

[@Unwavering_Resolve]

As someone from Eastern Europe, I can confirm that you don't exist.

[@daseinzigwahrem]

My condolences.

[@aaroncfriedman]

Hahahaha classic Eastern European humor

[@bobkerman7978]

same lmao

[@NeistH2o]

😂

[@guidomista5738]

I'm from Eastern Europe from Ukraine, I'm fine with whatever geographic term people are calling me and my nation as long as they don't call me russian

[@Hk7762Tube]

Hello my ruskay friend.

[@guidomista5738]

@@Hk7762Tube *rusgay

[@megaponful]

Hello my Russian friend

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

Russians are basically Polish vampires then.

[@antichraldo]

Amen. Being a Russian is rather a medical issue than nationality thing aniway

[@Borsuk3344]

As a Pole I approve of the fact that polandball always looks angry.

[@agnieszkazawiejska]

not always, e.g. it's "lol"-ing so cutely when seeing a Western Marxist

[@sowiwiody3681]

Angry whenever Russia is nearby 😂

[@tomekes6584]

Its just a Polish Smile 😁🤨😐

[@RavignonCh]

The biggest weakness of "Eastern Europe" is that it's an exonym; a term used by people outside of a community to describe the community. There is only so much you can learn about a group of people without their input - and most social sciences are moving away from that clinical, outsider analysis of societies. Ultimately this is why I'm in favour of the removal of Soviet statues as a leftist, even if people do silly things sometimes like when a Ukrainian artist retrofitted a statue of Lenin into Darth Vader. By the end of the day, the Ukrainians are saying they do not want to be understood as "post-Soviet" in the same way the first Korean Republics did not want to live to be "post-Japanese."

[@In_Our_Timeline]

It is not a kraut video, if it doesn't have you in comment section 😂

[@ReySchultz121]

I wish to here your Franco-Mexican voice.

[@starmaker75]

Well to me even as a American leftist (more on the center left), I see the lenin and Stalin statues the same way as Confederate statues, it better they don't exist and should as best be put in a museum as reminded of the bad past.

[@snomcultist189]

As he says, it is a “fremdbestimmung”

[@munkeefinkelbeen5395]

@@starmaker75 ya know? Honestly since the BLM protests, I've been rethinking the use of statues as a whole. I'm a lover of art, but it's weird to glorify someone in statue from for one or two good things the public perceives they did, and in spite of a career of what are now, or were already then, misdeeds. Like statues of Juan de Oñate in the Southwest. He "founded" New Mexico, but committed a slew of atrocities to the Native population.

[@lmao_nope]

"The dream of getting Russia to fuck the hell off is the only thing that makes Eastern Europe real" is a very bold thesis. As a Pole, I think I agree. Though we are OBVIOUSLY Central Europe, not Eastern Europe.

[@Whatshisname346]

With, dare I say it, kick ass vampires.

[@appa609]

Finland would be Eastern Europe then. And bulgaria wouldn't. For the Balkans you must replace Soviet trauma with Ottoman

[@trillionbones89]

​​@@appa609the Balkans terrorized themselves quite well long after the ottoman empire was no longer a factor, and that's 100+years And Finland is in northern Europe. East West is not the only axis you can divide Europe in.

[@DoriZuza]

@@Whatshisname346The vampires are in Romania, not Poland. (If there are any Polish ones as well, please let me know) Later edit: I only now got to that part of the video. I’ve learned something new.

[@thurbine2411]

@@DoriZuzadidn’t you watch this video?

[@evilnet1]

“Eastern Europe isn’t Real” Australia and New Zealand: “first time?”

[@BaronVonMott]

Polish vampires being essentially drunken undead hooligans might be the best bit of old folklore I've ever heard! 😂

[@Hargrovius]

Kraut is not really correct here. "Upiór", the creature he described, is directly translated as "wraith" into english. Inspiration for modern vampires absolutely came from the Balkans.

[@mrsmartypants4541]

To be fair, there are vampires in polish folklore, they are even called "Wąpierz", and they did in fact pray on humans. There are just so many creatures created by improper burial or other practices, that sometimes it can be hard to find the creature you're looking foor among them.

[@annafirnen4815]

​@@Hargrovius as far as I know scholars believe that words wąpierz and upiór HAVE same root and relate to the same creature, those words were used just in different regions. You are thinking about modern meaning of Upiór (probably because of the translation of "Phantom of the opera" to "Upiór w operze") but if you read about the accounts in mythology they used to be essentially vampires.

[@paulinagabrys8874]

Nie no ale polskie upiory z folkloru nie są wampirami z popkultury. Upiór był kimś pomiędzy szamanem, wiedźminem (czyli żywym upiorem zwalczającym niebezpieczne martwe upiory) i chuliganem robiącym zadymę na wsi. Ale to wszystko jest na tyle płynne i zależne od regionu i czasów, że ciężko tak jednoznacznie określić kim jest upiór

[@BagMonster]

Putin: Russia is the rightful master of Eastern Europe! Kraut: What Eastern Europe? Putin: *Dissolves into dust Thanos style*

[@Gala-yp8nx]

Eastern Europe is a politically apathetic term used by Westerners.

[@stargazerorion9209]

When exactly Putin said that?

[@ObsTho-100]

@@Gala-yp8nx bro never looked at a map

[@HelixTarot]

Summon the werewolves!!😅

[@ObsTho-100]

@@HelixTarot

[@theknightskyisi]

The freeze frame of the singer drawing a tractor pulling tanks (in black and white) gave me absolute chills.

[@victoriaporter6586]

Wdym

[@atanasarnaudov8253]

Bulgarian here, I never thought the term to be derogatory, but I believe the stereotypes to be somewhat hurtful. I have heard on many cases that westerners are surprised how European our cities look. Well we didn’t live in caves before 1990. Our city centers were designed by Czech, Austrian and German architects and their Bulgarian students. Communism was very much an abomination, one that cut us off our rightful place in Europe for 50 years.

[@MiSt3300]

Kraut, as a Pole 🇵🇱 I thank you so much for this video. The region between Germany and Russia has always been neglected and ignored, and painfully lumped together as just "eastern Europe", or more honestly: backwater, a land to divide between the "big" players. People don't realise that it is precisely the fact that these smaller countries are independent that makes Europe a more stable and democratic place. This video is very important, so that people finally realise this.

[@profet1385]

As a Pole, I support this comment wholeheartedly.

[@DrunkChaosMind]

Smutna prawda

[@ForOne814]

>more stable place >literally plagued by wars and genocides since the 90s.

[@MiSt3300]

@@ForOne814 Europe plagued by wars and genocides?

[@ForOne814]

@@MiSt3300 Eastern Europe.

[@lkrnpk]

Finland is the Eastern European country that got away... And Czechs are the one that did not get away.

[@Enyavar1]

Well, if Czechia had remained in the Holy Roman Empire, then it would be counted as Western European even today. But then there was Austria-Hungary... then the H-guy and the S-guy... much "cleansing" occured... Let's blame the evil dictators of the 20th century for this Fremdbestimmung.

[@robrob9050]

Czech IMHO got away cheaper than FIN

[@janlanik2660]

@@Enyavar1 Yes, we Czechs love to have somebody to blame. I'd add 19th century dictators to the list as well, after all it was Napoleon, who dissolved the Holy Roman Empire ;)

[@janlanik2660]

@@robrob9050 Fins paid with their lives, Czechs with their liberty and their spines.

[@xeanderman6688]

​@@Enyavar1wdym "if it stayed in the HRE"? We did stay in it until it got dissolved The same with the German Confederation.

[@ALatvian]

As a 16 year old Latvian, I think that the concept of eastern europe doesn't really exist in my generation. Having travelled to Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Chechia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, I see these countries as unique and different NOT as one. Sure, there is some connection felt between these places but it is more from a historical than cultural or geographical view. I believe it is because me and my peers have been born in free countries with established independent identities. Also, internet is a major factor for easy consumption of worldly news.

[@backwardsbandit8094]

All of Europe has crossover in between nations. This goes for Africa, Oceania, Asia and the Americas as well. Nothing worthy of note tbh

[@LMB222]

You have travelled. That is *the* difference. Do you want to know the %% of French and Germans who never left their region, and perhaps have never even met an "Eastern European"?

[@margin606]

The concept of Eastern Europe is not dependent on you, as an individual, liking or accepting it. The term (obviously) existed long before you arrived on the planet and will, in all likelihood exist after you have left it. It is your prerogative not to use the term if you so choose, but you are certainly not in a position to wish it away.

[@tommeiner9983]

Weird point to make. I mean we still call Western European countries Western European, despite the fact that they're also very different from each other.

[@bro0ther]

16 y.o. Ukrainian here. I've been to Latvia and it is NOT Eastern Europe. Baltic countries have much more in common with Nordic countries, but I still think that Baltic is unique as a region

[@lilyg47474]

As a British person, I would happily do away with the concept of 'Eastern Europe' for no other reason than to grant all of these countries their own sense of identity back. I want to learn more about Ukraine, Poland, Croatia, Slovenia, ect in the same way we all know a lot about Germany, France, Spain ect. What are their foods like? Their clothes? Their games? Their architecture? Who are some celebrated and influential people coming out of these countries? Now yes I can (and do intend) to read up on this for myself. But I never had to make a concentrated effort to learn as much as I have about 'western' European cultures. I would love that to change for the next generations. You cannot really appreciate and respect the culture and identity of a country while it is obscured by this label of 'Eastern Europe' and all the stigma that comes along with it. (in my opinion).

[@avitalsheva]

The problem is that they are not so much different to western Europe

[@Empress_of_Ireland]

I wish more people were like you.

[@jurekwoszczynski472]

Just for starters: 1. Witcher is a Polish product. 2. Yes, we do have electricity. Only in Sundays, but a fact is a fact. 3. The nazi organisation called Werwolf is described in Google only by its minor activities in Western Europe and is claimed to end its operations straight after the war. In reality the major theatre of operation of Werwolf was western Poland and former Prussia, where this organisation operated on a large scale for another few years.

[@DiskusGames]

I live in the far east of Germany, close to the borders of Poland and Czechia. I never understood why these two countries in particular were considered Easters European. I always felt a closer cultural connection to Czechs and Poles than to Italians, French of British people. Sure the whole ex-socialist nation part probably has something to do with it, but it's probably more noticable for me in Saxony, since quite alot of our town/city names have slavic origins, as do some words in our local dialect. Specifically Sorbian origins.

[@sakakaka4064]

As a Pole, I also feel closer to Germans (more to Austrians tbh but I'm from Krakow so maybe that's why?) than to, let's say, Lithuanians, Romanians or Dutch.

[@oiytd5wugho]

Our peoples are joined by the Salzgurke

[@cosmosyn2514]

imo the main qualifier of “central europe” is for a nation to have been at ruled by germans for a significant period of time.

[@oiytd5wugho]

@@cosmosyn2514 so, like, Namibia is central europe?

[@RenéHanzl]

Saxony "sasíci" is a very special case, You guys were pretty much always our (Bohemian) allies for hundreds and hundreds of years. Before Prussia pretty much forced the union there were even talks about joining the two countries, at the time we had more in common than you did with the rest of the germans. For me as a western czech i feel much more closer to Saxony/Austria than even the Slovaks, We share a hell of a lot of history with Germany and we were pretty much one country for like 400 years with Austria, Slovakia on the other hand? like 70 during Great Moravia and then it was just hungary for pretty much a 1000, also one of the reasons Czechoslovakia was doomed to fail from the start and we should have stayed with austria instead, apart from language we have barely anything in common.

[@AndreiZisu]

As a Romanian, I never really thought about baggage of the term "eastern European" until now. I am debating with myself whether I still want to use it or not to describe myself. As a millennial, I do find that there is a shared childhood experience with most of the countries under Soviet influence. And I do find thst westerners still have weird Russian fetishes that they still hold on to, even to this day. Perhaps the biggest thing that brings us together today is a hatred of Russia.

[@victormarian7889]

@perseus274 Nope, it's divided, as once Germany was and Koreea still is, because the will of Stalin and Adolf, and the Ribbentropp - Molotov pakt, and because we were ,,free" of the red - army occupation we are Even now under a very pervers and eluding kind of sovietic ocupation/domination !

[@carmensavu5122]

Except, Russia is Eastern European too. The decades behind the Iron Curtain did make for some sort of shared culture and experiences, the "influence" being so heavy-handed as it was. That's why I think Kraut is wrong when talking about geography, history before Communism, and language families. If the term ever had anything to do with any of that, it doesn't anymore. When I say I'm Eastern European, I mean that I am from an ex-Soviet Block country. I'm used to blocks of flats rather than houses on the ground, and I'm used to high-grade liquor being available at 11pm at the little corner shop, which strikes the Norwegians as very weird. I'm going on 9 years of living in Norway and it has made me even more acutely aware of the "Eastern European" feel because it is quite the contrast going from Norway to any of these countries. I was born and raised in Romania, but when I go to from the North of Norway to Brno, it feels like home (of course, to the Norwegians I have to say that "I'm heading South"). Never been to Russia personally, but a Romanian friend of mine has been there, and she says that aside from the language, it's basically just like Romania, but dialed up to 11. I think there's a cultural reality behind the term "Eastern Europe" and I am not bothered by it. I'm Eastern European, and I own it. Perhaps it won't always be a thing, but I think that's still a few generations away.

[@victormarian7889]

@@carmensavu5122 A small, but not insignificant although, correction: during Ceausescu, that thing that you ' ve mentioned with the alcoohol it was not possible, as it was somehow regulated, you could' nt buy before 10 A.M. and most of the shops would close by 9 - 30, 10 'o clock P.M. It had to do with the resovietization after his death that the usurpatosr lifted any kind of restrictions on alcoohol and smoking to anihilate completelly this country !

[@carmensavu5122]

@perseus274 Believe that if it helps you feel better, but I disagree. Why not just own it?

[@carmensavu5122]

@@victormarian7889 I'm not old enough to remember Ceausescu's actual rule, but I'm talking about how these countries developed after the fall of the Iron Curtain. I've been to several, and not in one did I see the restrictions I see in Norway, so to me the restrictions are weird af, the kind of crap I expect to see in Utah.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*The medieval Polish legends of vampires remind me quite vividly of my times playing Dwarf Fortress!* Always give your dwarves proper burials, people.

[@Waristheonlyanswer]

In the last few years, there were several graves found in Poland where supposed vampires were buried, shackled , staked and with stones, or irons on their chest and cut legs/arms so as to not dig out.

[@Hadar1991]

But it some sense it survived to modern day. While nobody believes in vampires, the idea of having ashes of your deceased relative at home in a urn is just bonkers, furthermore it is a criminal offence for which you can go to prison. Regardless if the body is burned or not (and Catholic Church do not like burning the corpses) you have to bury ALL of the remains in a cemetery. You are not allowed to scatter any amount of the ashes or keep them as part of them in your house. And for me, as a Pole, it is just completely bonkers what Western Europeans thinks is acceptable to do with somebody's remains. ;P

[@aravindpallippara1577]

​@@Hadar1991 Well that comes from us I believe, hindu tradition demands a proper cremation and scattering the ashes in the ocean or a river. That's proper burial for us, can't imagine taking up space forever on a burial ground till eternity and then keep having to discomfort the alive folks with taking care of the burial grounds - the setting most horror films have to visit atleast once. Case in point there are very few myths about beings returning from the dead in Hindu tradition because of that.

[@Hadar1991]

@@aravindpallippara1577 You can bury multiple people in one place. In Polish law it I think that 20 years must past. Tombstone is some sense is optional - if cemetery lacks free space, then abandoned graves will be given to recently deceased.

[@Midaspl]

@@Hadar1991 Yes. You don't even buy the space in the cemmetery. You rent it. The rent is over, they remove whatever is there and prepare the ground for a new tennant.

[@chewbacca4072]

I'm Czech and I think a comment concerning euroskepticism in Czechia I posted in EU made simple's video about Czechia may be relevant, so I copy-paste it here: --------- I'm Czech and I'm strongly pro-EU, but I think I understand the concerns some of my compatriots have. I would say that the general discontent is connected to historical trauma. Any time in the past when we trusted somebody, we were betrayed. This happened many times even before the 20th century, but we got a combo of the West not moving a single muscle to help us. You mentioned 1938, but deslite the guarantees that they will ensure suverenity of the remaining rump state, the west simply decided to not care at all when Germany occupied the rest of Czechoslovakia in 1939. Then there was the Communist coup in 1948 and protests and minor insurrections in 1953, the West didn't move a muscle. In 1968 we were occupied by our allies, yet another betrayal and the West still didn't do anything effective. After the Velvet Revolution, we got to join NATO only through riding the wave with Poland and I am certain that Czechia would not have succeeded on its own, the West was still sceptic. The thing is that we don't generally believe outside powers that they mean well and generally are scared of foreign influences, we got burnt one too many times already (which is why I think that support for Euro is this low). And now anecdotal evidence: When I was in the United Kingdom through Erasmus (pre Brexit), the host family tried to explain to me that they have warm water and plumbing and that I don't have to look for a well to get water. In Austria, the owner of a hostel I was staying in tried to speak with me in broken Russian because we "can't speak anything else than that Russian dialect of yours". One of my friends works in Belgium and she told me that the Belgians see us as basically Russians with some quirks and would rather let us be annexed by Russia than let Belgium get dragged into a conflict. Various other friends have similar stories to tell. I like the idea of the EU, but I feel that most of the Western populace still sees us as a buffer to be sacrificed so they are safe when push comes to shove. This sceptic view is then enforced by opportunist politicians which run on platforms of "we'll show those bureaucrats!" and "we will protect you from them", which creates a feedback loop. I'm sorry but even though I know that things change, we are still seen as a fringe of the EU by many. And unlike others, we don't have the need to entrust others unless we are certain they mean well. And given these experiences, I'm certain that we are far too removed from actually believing fully in this project. My generation may change this, but I don't see it happening in the next 10 years. --------- In short I think that Eastern Europe is not going away and time soon, because the western governments and societies are so ossified in their stance and the situation will change like 100 times over before they start taking anything east of Berlin seriously. I hope it's not the case, but my experience tells me otherwise.

[@jurekwoszczynski472]

I use to say the same about western habits. Assessing by reality the only way to effectively change the western mindset is by raw economy. The moment when we will become treated as real partners is the moment, when we will on a massive scale surpass the western nations in living standards. It will take a while and not all coutries will be able to catch up, but some small countries like Slovenia and Estonia already managed. Poland, Czechia and Hungary are very close, at least in relation to countries like UK, Italy or Spain. It may be a bitter awakening for the West. Maybe the term Eastern Europe will not fade away, buy if it stays it may entirely change its polarity.

[@JannSeb]

Coming from Scandinavia and having lived in Poland and Czechia for 7 years I have noticed that Easter Europe is a derogatory term and more often than making the Poles and Czechs angry, it makes them sad and hopeless that after hundreds of years of wars, colonisation and genocides they need to put up with this. It is simply humiliating to call them by a term coined for the degrading reasons mentioned in the video. The fact that the Soviets have pushed it through in the UN is also horrible because it forever nailed a certain picture of those countries in the minds of us Westerners, namely that they have some connection to the Russians when in fact they were colonised by them and even during the Cold War they were forcibly exploited by Russia. Never in those countries history were they willingly in line with Russia. It always happened through Russian invasions. For me they are Central, Baltic, Finno-Ugric ect. Let them define themself for the first time in their history. Love from Stockholm ❤

[@Donax695]

nicely put! I think you understand what is going on, hi from the Czech republic

[@heart5929]

thanks my viking friend

[@bobstone0]

Thanks for the words of logic. Especially since in my browser, your comment appears right below the comment of a famous Serb (LivingIronicallyinEurope), who records "funny" and "ronical", "black humor" films about the Balkans and Eastern Europe. He said that Eastern Europeans should reclaim the slogan Eastern Europe as if it were a common good. At a time when most people do not want to restore this word but emphasize their own different identity. You noticed well that the most important thing is identification and if someone wants to be different, it means that they are different. It is very easy. If someone wants to be Baltic or Central, that's how it is. Similarly, I hope that no one doubts that Ukrainians are not Russians, but to check it you need to ask Ukrainians and that's it. Just like asking Croats, Bosnians, Slovenians whether they are Serbs/Yugoslavs. If they deny it, it is what it is. Greetings from Poland

[@fidenemini111]

Thank you from Lithuania! You expressed it perfectly!

[@baassiia]

I mean, whatever. At some point it doesn't matter, we earned our place. I know we are different that 'West' we also different then far East. I live in East Poland and East of EU, it is what it is ;)

[@furki7589]

„The East. An invention by the West.“ -Unknown

[@DjMaxi005]

As a Pole, I love "based Poland" memes, they remind me of an anecdote about the jewish rabbi, who was reading antisemitic press to cheer himself up - he liked reading about his tribe ruling the whole world secretly

[@janlanik2660]

As a Czech, this is the most optimistic view of my country, I have ever seen in my life. Our government should hire you to work on their election campaign.

[@shittymcrvids3119]

As a west German, eastern Europe starts in Thuringia

[@franciscoflamenco]

Eastern Europe starts in the Rhine and Southern Europe starts in the Seine. Asia starts in the Elbe and Africa in the Pyrenees.

[@machitoons]

as a east German, I agree

[@thisguyishisface370]

@@machitoons as a polish, I say that's where central europe starts

[@wojciech9538]

@@deadlyknights1119 whar so entiriety of central europe is a fraction of germany?

[@Alltagundso]

I love it, when people openly show their stupidity. You don't need to try to convince them, it will be in vain. And yes, I know that was just a joke, but some people really think this way.

[@Kyarago]

Pre WW2 Lithuania was very similar to Denmark in terms of population and economy. The staggering difference in 1991 showed just how much damage the soviet rule did to the region.

[@hanshoffmann2582]

@@basanttyagi7516 who do you blame for North Korea being 60 times poorer in terms of GDP than South Korea, despite being richer before the Russians took over? IDK about Lithuania, but Latvia and Estonia was almost equal to Nordic states and richer than almost all other countries in the World at that time..

[@akaHius]

@@hanshoffmann2582 > before the Russians took over... What Russians? xD > who do you blame O'coz fucking US and their pack of western curs, who imposed a million sanctions on the DPRK, preventing it from developing and trading

[@robrob9050]

​@@hanshoffmann2582hmmm Korea was never rich? Neither rich or advanced, maybe 500 years ago?

[@bobstone0]

@@robrob9050 North Korea in the 1950s was more industrialized than the agricultural South. But the hard work of the South Koreans and American protection created a technological power out of nothing. However, the north stopped in time for 70 years.

[@robrob9050]

@@bobstone0 I had pleasure in 1988 to see Samsung TV in the neighbourhood shop, the first SK product in my life. Nothing fancy, they put flat glass in front to imitate Trinitron 😆, in nutshell not different from local TV companies who did not bother with these tricks. Sony was the king, eh? These electronics companies were overprotected by high import tariffs and today almost 40 years later are distant memory and the dust. While Samsung is now the biggest electronics producer in the world. Things are changing aren't they?

[@Fruzhin5483]

Vampires aren't Polish. They are a slavic folk story and myth and can be found in many Slavic cultures, including Bulgarians, as we have archeological evidence for such burials in the 12th and 13th centuries. It is true however, that the original vampires were much more different than what is currently in people's minds

[@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I]

Everyone knows that vampires are just Hungarians on a normal Tuesday.

[@HouseOfKung]

As an uneducated American, isn’t ‘vampyr’ originally Bosnian?

[@kamilszadkowski8864]

@@HouseOfKung No, the word vampire came to English from the Serbian language, as for the original term for vampire, it probably already existed in Old Slavic. I believe the reconstructed Old Slavic word is "upir" which is the closest to old/middle Polish "upiór".

[@paulinagabrys8874]

W Polsce takie istoty nazwywaliśmy upiorami. Upiór=phantom. Jeszcze za takie upioro-wampiry byli uważani ludzie, którzy urodzili się z zębami czy włosami. Albo miał włosy na klatce piersiowej ale nie pod pachami. Albo to że mówił do siebie to też miałabyć oznaka bycia upiorem ale w rozumieniu szamana, bo miał dwie dusze i one się ze sobą dogadywały. I tak dalej. Generalnie polski upiór był bardziej takim szamanem, który wiedział o wiele więcej o świecie niż zwykli śmiertelnicy i z reguły był postacią pozytywną czy neutralną. Ale w XIX wieki na obecnym pograniczu polsko-ukraińskim wybuchały epidemie i zdarzały się przypadki odkopywania grobów i ćwiartowania zwłok by te upiory nie straszyły i nie sprowadzały katastrof na okolicę.

[@itap8880]

@@kamilszadkowski8864 There's also a case of the word "wąpierz" being wrongly considered an early version of the word "wampir" (vampire). It actually meant a pillow filling made of feathers.

[@znail4675]

Eastern Europe was never about geography, but a political divide. It was pretty clear and obvious divide during the cold war.

[@omppusolttu5799]

Notably be aware that both Werewolves and Vampires *also* have other origins, which could be less or more sinister and there was basically a case of "well those wolf shamans of yours are *basically* werewolves." It's not that there was a case of "Oh there's someone who can turn into a wolf? Lemme steal that concept and consider it very sinister despite your protests."

[@nectarinn3]

Yes, and the base concepts are loose enough that they can be applied to many folkloric myths - there's plenty of wolves turning into men and vice versa in the british isles, and the word lycan comes from a greek story. It's like dragons, you can't pin the origin down from a single culture.

[@0ntimetaiment921]

Exactly. It's the same with food. Basically every other country invented "pizza" because putting sauce and toppings on thin bread is something most countries tired at some point.

[@eypandabear7483]

There is a nice German word “Schöpfungshöhe”, meaning “height (or level) of creation”. Basically, a measure of how non-obvious an idea is, for areas like patent law. The specific myths may be very detailed and interesting, but if you boil it down to “person turns into wolf”, that’s such an obvious archetype that tracing it to one location is silly.

[@kexcz8276]

Simply amazing. I had never thought that I would see a foreigner (what I had understood from you, you are from western europe...) to actually know more about this topic than me, a Czech person. Great job, greetings from Czechia ;)

[@ottitudes]

Austria of all places! 😂

[@Samz_Sii]

Kraut: Eastern Europe isn't real, it can't hurt you. Eastern Europe:

[@bobkerman7978]

Boo!

[@avroarchitect1793]

There is one very real way it will continue to exist, the divide between the Western (Latin) Christians (Catholic and Protestant) vs the Eastern (Greek) Christians (Eastern Orthodoxy). Even among non believers the cultural influence of the church in both regions affects the cultures to this day. In the West Modern Atheists basicly took Christian morals and ethics and tried to logic god out of the system (It wont work because the entire thing relies on God's judgement). In the East its the tradition of Eastern Orthodoxy that still defines alot of it.

[@roadent217]

@@avroarchitect1793 You're redefining Eastern Europe to not have Poland, nor the Baltics in it, nor Hungary. You just shrunk Eastern Europe in about half.

[@avroarchitect1793]

@@roadent217 I agree Poland is largely Western and always has been. The Russians and their various attempts of imperial occupation have devistated the whole region. The latter countries are effectively the exclaves of the Latin church. As for redefinition yeah I am, the continent is changing. Everything east of the iron curtain is finally catching up to the rest of the continent, and I am so very happy for them. Now all we need to do is deal with the Russian imperial perogative and we may actually see a longer term peace on the continent.

[@NeovanGoth]

He he he :D

[@notreallyhere67]

As a Pole, I can say that the term "Eastern Europe" is being replaced by "post-Soviet" or "post-communist" in various publications which is irksome in itself. Why? Because those terms tend to be inserted into an article or publication when the topic at hand has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the Soviets or communism. Seeing Poland mentioned as "post-communist" or whatever, makes me feel like my country had no other history to the writer. The terms "post-Soviet" or "post-communist" tend to lump a bunch of countries into the same bag just like the term "Eastern Europe". We don't see Germany being referred to as a "post-National Socialist" country or France as a "post-Vichy Regime" nation. tl;dr 1989 was 35 years ago, stop throwing countries east of the Oder into the "post-Soviet" or "post-communist" bag ffs

[@phelanii4444]

As someone from Bosnia, I think the only thing we can still use "Eastern Europe" for is to say "formerly colonized parts of Europe". Having to fight for our right to be independent is one of the few things that bind us together and I hope that soon even that won't be necessary anymore.

[@Kraut_the_Parrot]

Hey. Since I have you here, I'd like to pick your brain a little more. I know that Bosnians get really upset when people ask them about their ethnicity, because for some reason some people are unwilling to accept that Bosnians are Slavs who just happened to convert to Islam a few centuries agao. So you are subject to this entire awful thing of being framed as "Even less than Eastern Europe" in a way. I'd like to ask you if you do not mind, what do you have to say about the misconceptions that others have about you? And how would you define and see yourself as a Bosnian in releation to your neighbors and Europe at large?

[@DrIvanBest]

​@@Kraut_the_ParrotYou're mixing up Bosnians and Bosniaks.

[@JmKrokY]

​@@Kraut_the_ParrotNot a Bosnian but, Boskians (Muslim Bosnians) are basically Croats and Serbs that converted to Islam and or mixed with Turks. Their country is very divided (despite the population being very similar) and has three main ethnic groups, those being Bosniaks, Croats and Serbs. Basically the whole thing is mostly kept alive by the Dayton agreement. There are definitely plenty of bad stereotypes about us South Slavs and people from the Former Yugoslavia (although it's much less of an issue here in Croatia, however it's still prevalent).

[@phelanii4444]

@@Kraut_the_Parrot I'd say we are very much Slavic still, especially those of us in the borderlands and smaller communities. Bosniaks (as in the Bosnians who converted to Islam when the Ottomans came) used to be heretical Christians believing in a dualistic version of Christianity, where the good God Jesus was creator of the spiritual world and the bad God Satan created all material. They were quite austere, had simple churches and you can still find some of their stone monuments, mostly in the south (stećci). They almost had a crusade called on them by one of the Hungarian kings ('don't remember which one anymore, long time since i had this in school lol) if they did not convert to proper catholicism, so a treaty was signed at Bilino Polje to convert the Bosniaks under Ban Kulin. They mostly resisted through the middle ages because the opulence of both east and west did not suit them. So, once the Ottomans came with this religion that preached and mostly practiced humbleness and prayer and many other similarities to the old heresy, the people accepted it in order to avoid even more persecution. So yes, we are heretical Christian Slavs, converted to Islam, who have had a lot of that Islam washed out by time, distance and communism, who are being made invisible by our neighbours who claim we are Serbs or Croats or some weird mix of the two so they might split our lands and subsume our culture. We have been under the Turks for 400 years, the Austro-Hungarians for 40, under our neighbours for 80 and under the thumb of the Americans for 30 now. We are a colonized people as much as our neighbours themselves are, whether its the ones closes to us, our brethren we share our mother tongues with, or our extended neighbourhood, of the Balkans and our farther Slavic cousins. There are many things wrong with my home country, I cannot even list them all, I have left it and moved to Germany like so many others and it pains me. But I had no future there. My father, my aunts and uncles, my grandparents and their siblings, they stayed there during the war, they fought and died so that I could grow up and live in a country that was finally, after more than 500 years our own once more. But the system is so messed up that in 2021, 26 years after the end of the war, my father and mother drove me out to the bus station with as much home as I could carry in a suitcase and said goodbye to me, because they knew I would never be able to live a good life in the lands they spilled blood, sweat and tears for. So I hate it, and I hate the politicians, and I hate the prejudice against us, and I hate everyone who lays a claim on us. But I also love it, I love the people, and the land, and the memories I have of it, I love my neighbours who are so fundamentally messed up in their own rights, I love the world who gave us a chance to govern ourselves, and took the bastards who harmed us at least partially to court. I wish there could be a future for us, that my grandfather, and my uncle and my 2 great-uncles did not die in vain. That my aunt did not take the shrapnel in her arm to her grave. That my father could sleep at night. That my cousins had a father during the hardest years of their lives. That the messed up kids in my elementary school class had parents who could stay sober enough to see past the pain and to love them. That my great grandfather did not have to be separated from the land and the house he loved, only to die of a broken heart before the war ended. The past is the past is the past and the future is bleak and there is no one left to fight for it. Only old, bitter men, with broken hearts and broken minds who cannot let go of their grudges for long enough to see that a new millennium has dawned upon us and that life goes on and that we can forgive and still not forget. And at the bottom of the box, there is only left hope. That I could ever be seen by my peers in Germany as anything more than a civilised savage, an accentless curio, a model of what kind of enlightened western citizen can be shaped out of the eastern gutter trash. That my parents will live out their years in the home my great-grandfather built, my grandfather built up, my father renovated. That I could return some day to the lands I've inherited as last of my line and work those lands the same as my ancestors and find peace.

[@phelanii4444]

sorry for going off all poetic and shit at the end there, it's almost midnight and I am a bit homesick so I just kinda let the words flow out of me 😅

[@r.j.lombardi111]

Everyone always says werewolf. But nobody asks howwolf?

[@Sett86]

Werewolf, werebear, weretiger. Were this shit show of a zoo.

[@lamebubblesflysohigh]

whywolf?

[@NikitOS-vv4ks]

xd

[@jonson856]

whenwolf

[@andewakare2590]

xD

[@Martcapt]

I'm Portuguese. You're all Eastern European to me, even though Portugal is probably Eastern Europe to everyone else. It wraps around, in a way.

[@TastyChicker1L17]

Portugal and south Italy are Eastern Europe

[@Martcapt]

@@TastyChicker1L17 it's a shame we're Europe at all, really

[@noodleppoodle]

@@TastyChicker1L17 Please we are way more organised in the actual "Eastern Europe" and it is safe here, although we envy the climate

[@franciscoflamenco]

It's a globe after all.

[@MarieAvora]

Bros in French Guyana are laughing at you

[@urbanfilh]

kudos on the great video... 1) I was always confused at school that Sweden and Greece are Western Europe, but Croatia (Yugoslavia) is Eastern Europe. Also, the same applies to the Balkans - Croatia is a Balkan country, and Greece is not (?!)... I even suggested that we send atlases to Westerners because they obviously have problems with the sides of the world 2) do you think that the West treats the Eastern part of Europe because of the events of the Middle Ages when the Westerners got rich by selling the Slavs as slaves to the rest of the world? That since that time they consider us inferior to them? 3) It is unfortunate that because of such an attitude, history is actually Western-centric and completely ignores the contribution of people from Eastern Europe. Tesla, Tolstoy, and Tchaikovsky are the only names Westerners are familiar with. Furthermore, Westerners completely overlook the contribution of countries like Yugoslavia during WWII. 4) in addition, Westerners call us savages - this is rich, isn't it? Especially when it comes from countries that violently conquered almost the entire world with genocides and culturicides.

[@Mattatiah95]

I believe they also know of Chopin and Skłodowska-Curie, but would like to think they were French.

[@Giorgi.Koberidze]

As a Georgian, the easternmost European nation, thank you for covering this topic. Most of the people who criticize Eastern Europe have never been to that place. In general, Eastern European cities are safer than some cities elsewhere. Eastern Europe can only be hated by two groups: 1. Putinist Russia, which considers Eastern Europe as its property and does not necessarily want to be a part of the rest of Europe; 2. A pseudo-nationalist raised on Russian propaganda. The Central, Baltic and Eastern European countries such as Lithuania, Estonia, Czechia, Poland, Romania and others form the umbrella of European security and future development.

[@quuirrel19_-sz9pj]

easternmost european? what about Kazakhstan?

[@riperr384]

Well there is an elephant in the room as to why their cities are much safer

[@TSGC16]

There's a reason many Eastern European cities are so safe compared to Western European cities and i think we all know it

[@raguelelnaqum]

@@quuirrel19_-sz9pj Kazakhstan may have what are now considered culturally European minorities such as Russians and the Volga Germans, but in terms of both historical geopolitics and literal geological position it and its surrounding region is and has always been Northwestern Asia. It is east of not only the Anatolian ranges, but the Caucasian and Ural ranges, which means that tectonically speaking it is firmly on the Asian half of the Afro-Eurasian superplate. It is also East of the Caspian Sea, meaning that it is already well past the cutoff point for the the furthest east stretch of Nortwestern Asia, both in terms of historical record and geology once again. The areas once recognized as part of Europe in central Eurasia only stretch as far as Samarkand, and the habitable parts of Kazakhstan are on the opposite side of said historical polity. Thusly, Kazkhstan is firmly an Asian nation. After all, if having a Eurocentric culture or minority was all that qualified a nation to be European geopolitically, nations like Australia or Tunisia or Lebanon would be considered one as well, and at that point the geopositional classification of European becomes meaningless. To be clear this isn't me disparaging Kazakhstan, because I find its history fascinating, but if Siberia isn't considered geopositionally European even though most Uralic peoples within Europe including Sami, Magyars and Finns come from there, than neither can Kazakhstan.

[@appa609]

@@quuirrel19_-sz9pj I assume you're trolling. Right?

[@quwerty8652]

I really appreciate how you pronounced the name of Krzysztof myszalski. It's visible that you took the effort to learn how to pronounce it correctly well done

[@MurdokEXTRA]

Pretty sure it's Michalski though.

[@wojciechkowalski8061]

> "Some English Guy" implies that Eastern European culture naturally creates subservience to authority My brother in Christ, the nobility of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth literally had the right to an armed rebellion against the monarch that in their opinion infringes on their other rights or interests (the so-called "right to confederation"), and would allegedly on occasion straight up tell their king to get lost in the middle of a Parliament session. One anecdote I have heard depicted the King of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth shouting angrily on a noble criticizing him, asking something along the lines of "who the hell are you to oppose me?", to which the noble's answer was "I am a free citizen, who can elect kings and bring down tyrants."

[@sircatangry5864]

And if we look at Hetmanate, the entire administration was elected, from lowest town levels to a regiment commander, second in rank after Hetman himself. So authoritarianism in Eastern Europe (excluding russians) is weird arguement.

[@Pafcioxx]

I'm from Poland and when on video, you said, that polish guys probably would said, that Poland is a central europe, I was like: it's literally me :D. Great video. Thanks for that and greetings from Poland!

[@bro0ther]

Polska 🇵🇱 is "the base" of Europe. I love it

[@TastyChicker1L17]

as a very patriotic Czech, I clicked on this video because I saw Czech flag in the thumbnail, and I am glad I did

[@ondrejlukas4727]

same! :D it's just what now caught my attention that the term 'patriotic' is associated with fathers and fatherland, while czech word 'vlastenecký' is associated with the homeland as great mother and belonging to her. Should be more responsible relationship than too many Czechs actually shows up.

[@Neoniq41]

As a patriotic Pole I also feelt the same when seeing a Polish flag

[@ondrejlukas4727]

@@Neoniq41 do you know that Czech and Polish flag are quite similar? (czech is more red while polish is a bit pinky). also Warsaw and Prague has the same flag. It's just a random info, I know. But I love to learn how different and yet similar our countries are :)

[@Neoniq41]

@@ondrejlukas4727 Yeh

[@ondrejlukas4727]

@@Neoniq41 YEH jakože víte, nebo YEH jakože 'klidně si polibte prdel'? :)

[@Szyperak]

To be fair, I'm from Poland and in 90s it was literally plagued by car thieves, and stories of people going to Germany to steal cars were nearly a daily occurence 😄

[@B1gLupu]

There was a joke in Finland in the 80s "Come to Estonia, your car is already here"

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

now the car thief, pickpocket, gangster, and prostitute strereotypes all are for romanians. Its like all of europe shoved all its negative streotypes onto romania for some reason

[@blueodum]

I lived in Poland in the 90s. Confirmed.

[@arturodiazcoca7408]

You can tell when someone has not lived a certain time.

[@Szyperak]

​@@arturodiazcoca7408 Is this directed at me? Because I clearly remember my dads Polonez getting stolen from outside of Smyk in Warsaw while we were shopping for christmas gifts in the 90's, so I'm not sure from where your comment comes from :)

[@xenamorphwinner7931]

There’s also the debate, that the geographical center of Europe is in Lithuania.

[@appa609]

I read it was in Belarus

[@Hadar1991]

@@appa609 It depends what method you choose and what you will classify as Europe. It can be in Poland, Lithuania or Belarus, depending on approach.

[@Mendogology]

@@Hadar1991 There are many supposed centers of Europe, but there is only one that is recognised as it is in Guinness Book of World Records. And it's Lithuania. Also it's the only center of Europe that is claimed by a foreigner scientist (French in this case). For the rest of countries, is a national scientist who claims "my country is in the center

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

@@Mendogology accualy the centre of europe is in my garden

[@Hadar1991]

@@Mendogology Not really. I am mathematician and the problem is that what is Europe is not well define. There are multiple different definitions there are borders of Europe and depending which borders we will assume are correct, then the centroid point moves a little bit. Also there is difference if we count only continental Europe or islands also (then extremes as Svalbard or Azores will have quite big impact)

[@thunder_cloud7494]

I am from Belarus and I have long been accustomed to the fact that for most of the English-speaking Internet my country does not exist and it has to be described as “a country near Russia”

[@thinkerian]

Well isn't that a fault of Belarus, aligning all the time with Russia, mostly acting like a Russian puppet state, most of population speaking Russian instead of Belarusian, speaking about reunification with Russia etc.

[@thunder_cloud7494]

@thinkerpanda Yeah, that true, but i think English-speaking doesn't fucking know anything about Eastern Europe in general, most Europeans propably learned about Ukraine because of the war, and before that it was the same “country near Russia” as Belarus. Like, this video is about it

[@neonpirych1566]

@@thunder_cloud7494 В том то и дело. Я не считаю, что термин "Восточная Европа" был введен только Совком, ведь его до сих пор используют западные европейцы. Просто за последние сотни лет в Восточной Европе не было другого более крупного и известного государства, как Россия. Есть куча анекдотов о том, что всё что восточнее Австрии это Россия. Просто современный Западный житель не будет изучать историю такого малоизвестного региона, как Восточная Европа.

[@thunder_cloud7494]

@neonpirych1566 Справедливо

[@neonpirych1566]

@@thunder_cloud7494 В конце концов неужели кто то будет оскорбляться от термина Восточная Европа? Я не вижу здесь ничего уничежительного. Советского Союза давно нет, так что это только проблема Запада, который в каких то моментах будет считать Восточных европейцев нищими и дикими.

[@GunnGuardian]

I think the moment I realized how useless the term "Eastern Europe" was, was when some people were criticizing Resident Evil 4 for depicting Eastern Europeans as backwards despite the game being set in rural Spain.

[@roadent217]

Well, Spain isn't far off in GDP per capita from Slovenia, Czechia or Estonia, so...

[@cqpp]

​@@roadent217Spain is a lot more wealthier than those countries and has been for the entire cold war.

[@jajajahodova2001]

@@cqpp well, cold war ended 20 years ago

[@Alias_Anybody]

I mean, Portugal is basically just Eastern European again. And people say the world is flat and stuff.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@roadent217 there's a Portuguese subreddit r/portugalblyat that's dedicated to infographics showing Portugal to be falling behind Western Europe on any metric you could think of but weirdly enough matching Eastern Europe.

[@hemidas]

Mr Kraut, I don't feel so well.

[@bachanator]

Great and quite volatile reference. I wonder for how long will it last?

[@fail4lot]

Haha. Your wife is pragnant by not you."It was a vampire Bazyli, I swear! You know we did not give him proper funeral!" :D

[@LuckyPhox-j4i]

As a russian I'm happy when people at least call me East European, cuz sometimes they call me Asian 💀

[@kievbob1475]

Take pride in your nation even if you might not like the government. If the East Europeans or other people want to call you Asiatics or whatever then remember that Eastern Europe excluding Russia is an incredibly underachieving region in world history by European standards. East Europe isn't really much when you remove Russia from the club.

[@oszustoslaw]

@@kievbob1475 i don't think that Russia is seen as part of this club anymore.

[@Someone-lr6gu]

@@oszustoslaw How tf do you remove a country from a geographical region when it is located in that region?

[@oszustoslaw]

@@Someone-lr6gu Don't ask me, i didn't say a word about removing from region.

[@NarantsatsraltOrgil-y2o]

I mean, there are multiple ethnic group of people in the Russian Federation. And if you're non-white and not arab, of course you'll be called Asian.

[@Holsp]

I am Czech and I did not know abut the Karel Kryl recording. What a wonderful video!

[@joaquinantonioarteta1205]

As an American this is very valuable, becuase in school we are only taught about western Europe as having any sort of relevance, as if the only purpose of the east is to be invaded. Teachers usually talk about eastern Europe in a similar way they might about Africa during colonization, just with a slightly less sorrowful tone.

[@yukko_parra]

I'm pretty sure in Australia you aren't even taught world geography, and I'm certain that I've never had a lesson on Eastern Europe (that's part of the optional Modern History classes). And definitely minimal mention on slavery (a footnote as part of the conquistadors). i kid you not, we have politicans who thought gaza and palestine were different conflicts (granted they were only politicana for the city level, not federal or state level) thank goodness we have people explaining the nuance of europe

[@Daniel-jm7ts]

tbh there isnt really a reason why american highschool students should really learn anything about eastern europe besides mabey russian history. History class primarily is there to educate you about your own countries history and the most relevent events that happened around the world, not to teach you about random polish history in the 16t century. I live in Europe and the only thing we learn about other countries is either about north america or if you have the time china/japan because as harsh as it sounds those where hisotricaly the more impactful countries

[@catadoxas]

krauts politics are essentially indistinguishable from madleine albrights, nulands, or the neocons in general. it would be fun if he could make a video explaining how his worldview is in any substantial way different from that of dick cheney.

[@BuckNut-ck1sl]

In this case I think ignorance is better than trash kraut is spewing.

[@bryancomlor1435]

I know it Kraut. You consider the art used in videos like these as "cheap" and cost saving but please use this more its really the best style that made me and i bet alot of others attached to your channel. Just the old Kraut videos. Easy to understand topics and funny countryball art.

[@profet1385]

Supported.

[@Junkyard22]

well... Even here in Belarus many people will tell you that we're located in Central Europe and not Eastern Europe... damn, that's what textbooks in school teach us

[@Brookpitlik]

You are eastern europeans

[@mav4892]

Kraut : Describes the origin of vampires Netflix : Write that down, write that down

[@enderman_666]

describes it incorrectly, unfortunately

[@adam346]

"There are too many stereo-types about the nonexistent Eastern Europe" *later in the video* "The French being The French".

[@MisterFoxton]

Can't have a Kraut video without gross generalisations and hypocrisy!

[@Wertsdsf]

​@@MisterFoxtondifferentiated opinions and sources? not in my kraut video!

[@B1gLupu]

@@MisterFoxton French being french isn't exactly a stereotype. They are. very much

[@Xalerdane]

I’m pretty sure that even the French would be like “yep.”

[@obliviongigan6360]

​​@@B1gLupuHis points are still pretty terrible, like almost no here in Eastern Europe is complain about being called that way except maybe for the Baltics.

[@MrDahamsta]

Writing as someone from the Baltics here. I can only truly speak for myself and I am not the most historically learnt guy, but I think the concept of the post soviet states (so the concept of what usually is defined as Eastern Europe, not necessarily the term) has had some value as it creates a bond between the countries that suffered together under the soviet regime (especially as it was fiscally collapsing) and ultimately became free in the 90s. That shared bond then gave way for compassion for each other and vigilance over the potential threat of those days coming again. That being said, those memories have begun to fade and will only fade more as can be seen with how some of those countries have chosen to act today.

[@eshinnightrunner6290]

corrupt prime ministers and such becoming the lapdogs of russia dont help either, decades of suffering under soviet rule are thrown away at the chance to turn unreasonably rich at the cost of their country eroding away as it becomes a russia friendly dump, which they can just ignore from their perfectly reasonably extragavant palaces and supercars

[@Shenaldrac]

This is how I always used it myself. Not as "ah some shit-tier nations" but as nations who are former USSR states and have a shared trauma from that, and some shared interests given that Russia still clearly sees them as its rightful property. ESPECIALLY in light of the war in Ukraine. But if there _are_ people using it in a derogatory fashion, fuck them and fuck that.

[@karelkieslich6772]

I think there was some rejuvenation of this feeling that you describe after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I certainly never felt closer in my life to you Balts, Poles, Ukrainians than since Feb 2022. I live in London now and while people here are generally sympathetic to Ukraine, there is a certain level of understanding that I can really only achieve with other “Eastern Europeans”. It was most pronounced during the first month of the invasion: I felt a profound valley between us and west europeans. For them, what was happening in Ukraine was horrible but not personal. They were worried but mostly about Russia’s nuclear threats to them (I know people who left London because they were afraid of nuclear attack). They wanted to help Ukraine in principle but nothing that would affect their well-being (like banning Russian fossil fuels or witdrawing businesses). And they certainly wouldn’t be in favoir of sending any significant weapons. They also didn’t really have this need to constantly talk about it. They didn’t see it as their fight, as attack on them. The victims could be ignored, it was news, horrible news, but it wasn’t felt personally. Whereas with almost any random “East European”, I instantly had this connection. So that’s how I realised that Eastern Europe is in some aspect real, as a space where people understand the reality of being under an empire, especially the Russian/Soviet one. How I would define it beoadly: it’s the space betweem empires - Russian, German, Austrian, Ottoman; and it matters for subdivisions which empire you were subjugated by. But as with all imagined communities, it’s not really about the past but about the future. So what I think defines Eastern Europe in this sense that it’s the areas that don’t want to be subjugated by an empire anymore, that’s their shared dream. According to this logic, the term only makes sense if Russia isn’t included. (And it breaks for people in the two countries that desire an imperial expansion for themselves, Hungary and Serbia. I feel like other Eastern European states don’t feel that sense of belonging with the people in these states who dream of Greater Hungary and Greater Serbia.) I’d be quite happy to use it in this way now. But of course, that also gives you the limitation: it’s not a cultural term. Culturally, there is very little that Latvia, Czechia and Bulgaria would have in common.

[@nescumzwei]

The way that we create social constructs around regions because of an external perceived history is interesting and how they tend to live in people's minds. While at University doing my toilet paper degree (East Asian Studies) one of the things they absolutely tried to hammer out of our heads were the concepts of "East" or "West". While this was mostly to stop the idea of how the "East" was either barbaric or a lands of mystical elf people (my words, not my professors) it was also to stop people from using the concept of a "West". Like Russia seemingly needing the idea of Eastern Europe to justify their conquests, the idea of a "West" is now being used as a beating stick for various Asian states to other most Europeans or folks in the Americas. This othering is mostly noticeable in the Chinese press. If, for example, Poland does something seen as pro-Chinese or has something China positive done, Poland is named individually and and praise is given to Poland as well as how it can "teach the West" a lesson in their relations with other nations. If Poland does something anti-Chinese or a politician in Poland warns against practices by China (governmental or private) then Poland is suddenly part of the faceless, evil "West" and shows how nobody should ever trust a "Westerner". The concepts of Eastern Europe, the West or the East are likely things that will be weeded out with time. Hopefully they will eventually dropped, but then again there are still lots of poorly conceived, Cold-War era terms that have not died despite becoming meaningless. If you think about terms like "Third World" and how much it is still used, there is a chance that Eastern Europe may stick around for a good while longer.

[@Gala-yp8nx]

My family is from north-western Ukraine. I was taught by my grandparents that Eastern Europe refers to the areas of Europe colonized by Russia.

[@Aevanne]

@@Mortablunt your fake country is malo, you dingus

[@GrayStrider]

@@Mortablunt you really have a kink on using colonial terms huh

[@AchtungAffen]

A couple years back my parents took a tour called "Mitteleuropa". They went from Hungary to Hamburg.

[@carpathianwolf3523]

Yeah, big misinformation about the accuracy of the folklore surrounding werewolves and vampires. Firstly, the werewolves are pan-european not specifically Baltic, but similar stories can be found in Greece, France, Germany e.t.c. Secondly, vampires are not Polish. The idea of an undead creature rising from it's grave to cause havoc through immoral and insidious behavior is present throughout central and south eastern europe. So vampires are present in Polish folklore, but they aren't unique or inherently Polish.

[@christianpetersen163]

THANK YOU! I immidiatly picked up on this too. This guy has no idea how to discern facts, apparantly. It's ironic that he's doing the exact fremdbestimmung that he argues "western europe" has done to "eastern europe", by crying ripoff and blatantly overlooking that every country that has wolves has a rich folklore about werewolves, thus denying them the opportunity to define themselves!

[@dannyyyXYZ]

Exactly!​@@christianpetersen163 I thought of this video to be an amazing one....until he said that about vampires and werewolves and ruined everything.

[@izpodpolja]

The name is however taken from a Slavic language that preserved nasals - cmp ukr. "upyr"

[@LMB222]

The name is. There's only so far you can get into details in one video.

[@equos5060]

imagine being butthurt over wampire lore origins...

[@ariszanimaciok]

As a Hungarian, I agree, that the term Eastern Europe is outdated, and if we want to use it, we need and actual geograpichal barrier to mark it, like the alps seperating western europe from south europe, or northen europe being colder, and more "spread out" if that makes sense. How ever there are some things, that we could inprove for example the horrobile Hungarian train network, the MÁV. No joke, if there is just a bit of snow, trains can be delayed up to 207 minutes. So there is still room for inprovement.

[@JmKrokY]

I hate when people consider me, a Croat, Eastern European as I relate much more to Central and Southern European countries and people.

[@Beefy_B0y330]

Ako ćemo iskreno, govoreći kao čovjek što je upoznao ljude iz i bio po cijeloj ex yu, jugoslovenski narod je, po meni, istinski jedan dragulj koji iako imamo sličnosti sa ostalim oko nas, te što su pokorili, uzimali, učili itd. smo kompletno jedinstveni. I ja mislim da je to zaista prelijepo i trebamo da se ponosimo time, da poslije više vjekova možemo jasno i glasno da se razderemo da smo pobjednici i da smo još tu, a toliko njih su šćeli da nas istrijebe 🫶🫶

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

No you're Catholic you just make it in mate. 👍

[@BuckNut-ck1sl]

As Serb I related to south europe a lot, but also to other slavs and hungarians and romanians. Because of this I think eastern europe is a valid term that will probably lose its power over time.

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

@@BuckNut-ck1sl I already has, those countries in the EU are in central Europe while those that are not are Eastern Europe.

[@raumnika5304]

You can feel every 'eastern european' watching this slowly fade away like they got snapped by Thanos

[@FireCandy_Lt]

as Lithuanian we never were easter europians (thats why we builded monument of geografical center of Europe in our country)

[@megaponful]

@@FireCandy_Lt You are eastern European and there is nothing wrong about that.

[@czuswoe]

I am not fading away. I'm just happy, that I can finally hear the words I waited for since 1989. It gives you kinda warm feeling that your life's work and patience wasn't for nothing.

[@leuk2389]

I think, as a west European, I have taken much more of a look at the East of Europe because I think the recent war has reminded me more and more how much all of our lives are dependent on eachother for our peace and stability, and how much we should stand shoulder to shoulder with all our European brothers and sisters to defend the things we care about and that many countries fought so hard to achieve especially those neighboring Russia. Self-determination and human freedom. Shedding the idea of eastern Europe as a monolithic cultural group let me see so many distinct and unique peoples and cultures, with their own unique histories. I think everyone in Europe owes it to eachother to get to know eachother and find what we have in common. Especially now. We should have listened to Russia's neighbours when they told us over and over again that Russia is a threat, they knew because they have had to suffer an imperial and expansionist russia for most of recent history. We we're stupid to ignore them. And I think that ignorance is fueled by this idea that our brothers and sister in the east are somehow less than us. They fought hard to take control of their own destinies, and work hard for their freedom and prosperity, they deserve nothing but our respect for it.

[@karelkieslich6772]

Thank you so much for writing this!

[@rocknowradio]

Yes, the west should have listened. Even today is not too late. Although it is almost too late, because now the west have an inner grave threat: the muslims.

[@Kniazhnami]

❤

[@hhelina]

as estonian i feel "eastern europe" is like a junk drawer - people from outside it from richer (and historically coloniser) countries put everything in it they don't know to put elsewhere, neither care to get to know us to categorise us better. but only now i found out it was always politically motivated (from both western euro and russian side!) so thank you for this still educating video

[@LuciusDidus]

"I'm good werewolf I'm only eat ₚussians" that's god damn best werewolf right there

[@АлександрЖуков-ц5ж]

Are you ukrainian? Writing Russia with small letter is the most unkainian thing ever

[@rahulraghu4928]

For that matter, Europe is also not real but nobody's ready for that conversation

[@ronan5228]

If europe isn't real how come You're a peein'

[@moartems5076]

Idk, the place that colonized all of the world at one time seems kinda noteworthy. Good to have a name for

[@paratame105]

Psh, you're gonna make the yellow-star blue hoodie crowd cry

[@appa609]

​@@moartems5076It was really just Britain, France, Portugal, Spain, Netherland, and Russia. By your definition, the rest are not Europe.

[@appa609]

Well by the definition in thus video Europe does exist because people identify as Europeans. Eastern Europe doesn't exist because nobody identified as Eastern European (Except I assume Russians)

[@user-uf2df6zf5w]

For me, growing up, the term "Eastern Europe" always meant just the Eastern Slavic Orthodox countries: Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.

[@sakakaka4064]

This description actually makes sense because these countries have connection when it comes to culture, religion, language, history... But when you use a certain label for half of a continent out of pure ignorance, it's just silly lol

[@Kniazhnami]

​@@sakakaka4064absolutely different countries

[@georgeousthegorgeous]

@@Kniazhnami you haven’t been to Belarus then. It’s basically Russia at this point (though that’s how it’s always been). Eastern Ukraine is like poorer Russian south and Western Ukraine is basically Poland with minor differences. So not so different after all.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

7:17 Apparently mainland Europe’s resistance to Russia has been a thing for centuries before the Soviet Union!

[@woocashP]

Well no fucking shit Sherlock.

[@DerDop]

Romanians begged for the ottomans to return after they met the Russians

[@lmao_nope]

Everyone outside of Russia has hated Russia for centuries, no news there.

[@PLScypion]

Basically every culture in Europe that ever met Russians has this mentality in some capacity. Doesn't matter if it's Muscovy, Russia or Soviets, just different flavours of the same occupant.

[@kurolotus4851]

Finnish have time periods from 15th century onwards called "wraths". These are historical time periods when russians arrived as hoards to terrorize people for several years at the time. So yea, it started way before Soviet times.😅. So in practice this would mean something like: "...during the Great Wrath, the usage of plough animals decreased while the usage of plough daughters increased", when history books talk about (or refer to) time periods.

[@c0sf337]

I'm Romanian, and after living in various EU countries over the last 20 years I was surprised to see how much we have in common with Italian, Greek, French, German in certain areas, and some of the Balkans. My Dutch, German, and British friends are always surprised how much better our food is than anywhere in "potato Europe" and I'm always proud of our cuisine, rich traditions, friendly people, and natural landscape...granted, the cities and admin skills we still need to work on, but some of the other stuff is starting to look pretty great

[@twiggledy5547]

My biggest contention against modern terms like "BIPOC" is that it folds many people with diverse, interesting, and *separate* histories into the label "brown". When I think about what you presented here its very much the same thing isn't it? I live in proximity to the Czech Republic, and I certainly don't view them as being the same as Poland or Hungary or Romania. I'm always in favor of digging into and sharing different aspects of culture and history. While I probably wont stop using "Eastern Europe" for a while now, this will certainly be on my mind. I'd like to ask some of my Czech and Polish colleagues about it. Good vid, Kraut!

[@oiytd5wugho]

I mean, the term isn't really used much in the context of Europe. Slavic peoples don't exist within that term, unless you *really* stretch that *I* in "BIPOC" to include, like, any kind of indigeneity and not indigenous minorities within a colonial society. As it stands, within Europe, the term only really applies to immigrants, black french people, Romani, a few cultural holdouts, etc. It's just not applicable to the video, idk why you'd bring it up?

[@twiggledy5547]

@@oiytd5wugho I find it very applicable. Washing away cultural differences

[@oiytd5wugho]

@@twiggledy5547 it's not intended for talking about culture. It's used to talk about oppression. Would you rather the acronym had 600 letters to cover every cultural possibility? You use it to talk about a very wide section of society, not individual people's backgrounds. Wait, I also noticed you said "brown", why? The B stands for black

[@XandateOfHeaven]

@@twiggledy5547 I think the biggest problem with the term is not that they tried to come up with big tent category of people who were oppressed by white supremacy, but that it seemed to be a deliberate attempt to exclude Asians.

[@piotrp5668]

In Poland Eastern Europe is Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. So meaning of the word changes depending where you sit.

[@lobstermash]

Russia is not Europe at all.

[@Carl-Gauss]

⁠@@lobstermashWhy?

[@radubaninca7533]

I am Romanian. I agree with Kraut on most points with some exceptions. ✅️ What I agree with: 1) Culturally Romanians are latin, I find it very easy to make italian friends and make fun of the quirks in the two languages as well as having a shared heritage to Roman times to further joke and bond on. 2) We do not have as much in common with our neighbouring countries. We have a saying that "We are an island of Latins in a sea of Slavs" +the Magyars. Their languages are very unfamiliar say for a few borrowed words. Eastern Europeans are not alike, especially linguistically as pointed out by Kraut. 🚫 Where I disagree: 3) Despite all the differences, there is a strong tie between us Eastern Europeans. More specifically the shared subjugation our people's have endured throughout most of history. Tough times are best at bringing people toghether, no matter how different. This I can see not only through my bonds with slavic friends over similar stories of how we fought the Russians, Turks and Germans. 4) This united struggle is seen even in the economy and landscape. From the Soviet blocks to the fortresses built to defend from the Ottomans. What makes us similar are the shared influences we have endured from larger neighbours. Conclusion: Eastern Europe is a thing. United not because we are similar but because we share similar struggles. The United States became united only through the similar struggles for independence. The Internarium became a concept, yet again, not because Romanians and Poles are alike as people's, but because we fear the same empires.

[@fulopmeszaros5330]

I feel you on the different nation in a sea of slavs point, although i hate that many hungarians are very racist towards you. Please give tips how to throw out a xenophobic christofascist dictator.

[@Samsung-1.9Cu.Ft.Microwave]

​@@fulopmeszaros5330racist isnt the right word, because romanians and hungarians are the same race. They are simply diffiernt ethnicites

[@captainchaoscow]

I see that the language is a strong cultural influence. It bonds people together. But "We do not have as much in common with our neighbouring countries. We have a saying that "We are an island of Latins in a sea of Slavs"" is very strange to me. Do you have more in common with Brazilians, Mexicans and Haitians - they speak Portuguese, Spanish and French then Hungarians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians? Aren't the Dacians not related to Thracians - a people group who the Slavic Bulgarians and Bulgars mixed. Haven't been the territory of Romania not part of the first Bulgarian empire? Don't you share Ortodoxy and the first written text in Romanian was in the cyrillic alphabet: the Neacșu's letter? And as you said - there was a lot of history together: fighting of Russians, Turks and Germans. But not only. And I am sure climate, food also leave their traces in the common culture. So I am really confused about this "Island in an Sea" proverb. I know everybody wants to be special - but feels also quite condescending.

[@radubaninca7533]

@@captainchaoscow It is very true that there are several similarities brought on due to proximity. Ranging from food to language to climate and history. I cannot deny that Ukranian borsh is a key ingredient in most Romanian soups or the similarities in the Hora dances with other neighbors. To analyze this, one can look at the Cyrillic alphabet used in old Romanian and on the most famous of Romanian churches. These are just some of the characteristics borrowed from our Slavic neighbors. Throughout the 19th century, however, Romanians have been distancing themselves away from the east and once closer to the Western Latin countries. We used to be a lot closer to the sea of Slavs, but we decided we want to be a lot closer to the sea of Latins on the other side of the continent. Our accents and words have been drifting towards Italian. Our constitution, monuments, new words and philosophies, even our flag is a near copy to that of the French. So, in response to one of your questions, I would imagine we may have at least common philosophies and ideals in common with the Haitians. With the Slavs, we have a lot in common, but we wish we did not, and sometimes even change our language in order to draw that line.

[@Zullyan]

@@radubaninca7533 Borsul ca ingredient e ceva romanesc. Borshtul ucrainean e un tip de ciorba...

[@vasilius7041]

As someone from Russia, it is completely unacceptable for us to be called Eastern European. We are a South Arctican, North Antarctican and Western American country. Please check your sources for the next time.

[@hubertbross6725]

@@vasilius7041 Does Western Asia sounds better to you? ;)

[@vasilius7041]

@@hubertbross6725 No, but your mom is definitely called Europe, since there are a million muslims coming inside every year

[@pax6833]

The term "eastern europe" is in fact basically a stand in to refer to "former warsaw pact"

[@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462]

That's mainly true but there's a few exceptions of communist countries we're still not aligned with the Soviet union. Tito thought Stalin went too far and made Yugoslavia neutral bridge between east and west. Albania's leader decided he didn't go far enough and sided with Mao. While romania's dictator to make enemies of basically everyone with predictable results.

[@tomasvrabec1845]

That's because the Warshaw Pact was modelled on the Imperial concept of Eastern Europe...

[@JongeKroost]

Mans made a whole video to explain the concept of regions and how they aren't accurate. Turns out the world is more complex than: "those guys to the east of us"

[@paratame105]

That's not what I got out of the video. As a German, I can attest to the fact that Eastern Europe™ is almost always used in a derogatory context

[@256shadesofgrey]

@@paratame105 Only by various kinds of socialists.

[@JongeKroost]

​@@paratame105 That's just how exonyms work. Terms like Africa, the orient, Asia, and eastern Europe were all conceived of to designate people as "not us" and "different" and to lump them together. People from Indonesia and the Korea are both Asians. Does that make sense? Not at all. The distance between those countries ~4300 km. The distance between France and Nigeria is ~4175 km. Why is te Levant considered to be 'different' from Europe? Do they not share the same Greco-Roman history? Both are majority Abrahamic religious. Why are people from Lebanon Asian? What do they share with people from the Philippines? Why are people from Cyprus Asian? It's because all those names were created from the perspective of western Europe. People just wanted to draw lines in the sand and they based those lines on race, religion, and ignorance. I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm just saying that in the grand scheme of things Eastern Europe is a very reasonable and fairly accurate term. I know it's used in a derogatory manner but compared to all the other terms we use, 'Eastern Europe' is one of the most benign.

[@IvanSakun]

​​@@JongeKroost you think too much about what terms are and very less about how they will be used. And the video is just debunking, so of course it is meant to tell us about irrelevant concept in this case

[@yukko_parra]

i thought i was alone in thinking the term has some uses. for me it's useful to explain to friends and family about a place. Mediterranean might still be a stretch of knowledge for some peoole.

[@jasonquigley2633]

Personally, I think the most sensible way to divide Europe is by the alcohol of choice. That way you have Beer Europe, Wine Europe, Vodka Europe and no alcohol at all Europe.

[@ModernForerunner]

where is no alcohol at all Europe?

[@Paweł-j3y]

Holy shit from Friday to Sunday I live in 3 europes

[@aw2584]

​@@ModernForerunner Bosnia