Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox: What's the Difference?

[@onlytruth4888]

Thank you so much for bringing to the light the fact that we overall believe in the same christology just different in terminologies. Let us all pray that our churches will become one ones again🤲🏻☦️❤️

[@paisios2541]

This is not true according to any of our Saints, only modern academics. According to St Paisios it is "blasphemy against the Holy Fathers" to say that this was simply a semantic misunderstanding.

[@onlytruth4888]

@@paisios2541 stop being so arrogant and listen to what an actual oriental orthodox says: we believe that there’s one person in Christ, he is fully human and fully divine, without any mixing or confusion. It’s the same christology as the East only that we use different terminology. We have always believed this and will continue so

[@paisios2541]

@@onlytruth4888 I will listen to what our Saints say, I don't see what's wrong with that. Was St Paisios delusional and arrogant? Impossible! If there is any Saint who said that it was just a semantic difference, I would be very interested to hear about that. But I'm not aware of any such example, so I'll just trust St Paisios. Furthermore, the hymnography of the Church by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit testifies to the fact that they are heretics, they venerate Severus of Antioch: A hymn from the Matins canon for the commemoration of the Fathers of the First 6 Ecumenical Councils: "The Fourth Council, having set at nought Severus and Dioscorus, who blaspheme Christ, read aloud the Tome of Leo, the primate of Rome, which showeth forth right well the natures of the Saviour as two in number, without separation." The hymnography of the Church has been wrong for over 1000 years? Impossible! The Church says that Severus blasphemed Christ. The monophysites say he's a Saint. There's no reconciling these two positions. Someone has to be wrong. There are many pious, wonderful, sincere people in the monophysite Church, but it's not true to say that they're Orthodox.

[@onlytruth4888]

@@paisios2541 if these are truly the words of your “saint” I feel sorry for him, because he’s so wrong on every matter he mentions. I am in no way calling the eastern churches wrong or heretical, but I see a serious problem with arrogance and pridefulness circling around, it sadness me that my dear brothers of the east are so caught up in these ancient misunderstandings and refuse to look us orientals in eyes and hear what we truly believe instead of keep relying on these old misconceptions that has been circling around for way to long🙏🏻

[@paisios2541]

@@onlytruth4888 but you also dogmatically believe the same about us, the dogmatic teachers, the saints of the oriental Church are clear that the eastern Orthodox are heretics. So what if some Bishops in the last few decades disagree? They're not following their own saints. We'd both have to reject the testimony of our churches for the last 1000 years to affirm this idea that we actually share the same faith. How can the Holy Spirit produce false misconceptions? Either the Eastern Orthodox are correct, and the teachings we claim to be inspired by the Holy Spirit are correct, or the Oriental Orthodox church and it's teachings claimed to be inspired by the Holy Spirit are correct. We can't both be correct. I am all for love but love has to be in the truth. To reject truth in the name of love is to espouse a false love. You can't have real love without truth. I love you, and it is because I love you that I tell you that we do not share the same faith. I would be lying to you and not loving you if I were to say that we do.

[@fiery_hunter3271]

Honesty and integrity. This is why I appreciate your channel among the plethora of Orthodox channels.

[@LionOf.Christ]

I'm Coptic Orthodox from Egypt ☦️♥️

[@sahiralikhan5079]

Im syriac orthodox ☦️

[@thomasthellamas9886]

I’m A Baptist

[@sahiralikhan5079]

@@thomasthellamas9886 love to hear that 😊🙏. May i know what is that? Are you a priest who baptise people?

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@@sahiralikhan5079 Baptists are a denomination. Like Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox are different denominations

[@sahiralikhan5079]

@@thomasthellamas9886 Thank you sir 😊. May Abba bless you. Shlomo 🙏

[@ironsandhammers359]

I pray for unity between oriental and eastern churches

[@joshuab2437]

The only way there can be unity is if the churches come together under the proper right doctrine.

[@hachibidelta4237]

The heretic shall embrace Chalcedonian

[@DLR1997]

The only reason why you said heretic is because you are blinded by the dogmaic view of the church

[@sofialarsson7154]

@@hachibidelta4237 Name the heresies please.

[@thomasthellamas9886]

@@sofialarsson7154 Monophysitism

[@minasoliman]

You’re one of the few videos I know that referenced Joint Commission meetings. Seems a lot of KZbin apologetics these days (EO and OO) seem to either pretend these meetings didn’t happen or downplay them.

[@Theoria]

Unfortunately true. There is a lot of pretending taking place in EO online.

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

@@TheoriaI myself attribute some of it to the influence of Old Calendarist propaganda on recent converts to Orthodoxy. There are very few canonical Eastern Orthodox scholars who are critical of the Oriental Orthodox; the only English language one I can think of who is presently active is Nicholas Marinides. At any rate, thank you for posting this very fair and balanced video! God bless you!

[@Theoria]

@@theleastofpilgrims3379 I couldn't agree more.

[@adoseoftheosis]

The fact that you were so able to neatly pack all of this into 1min30sec, and do it brilliantly, is so dang impressive, brother!

[@Theoria]

Thank you!

[@tdz3469]

The fact that he did it in 90 seconds shows his extremely shallow understanding of the issue. It’s a rhetorical trick - if you spend any longer than 90 seconds rebutting it, you’re accused of over complicating or practicing sophistry. If you manage to keep your response just as concise, you’re not “being nuanced enough”. Drive-by apologetics does violence to theology and ultimately serves only for pseudo intellectual aggrandizement, both for the creator who feels clever for his presentation and for the viewer who got their 90 seconds of daily academia in.

[@adoseoftheosis]

@@tdz3469 and drive-by mudslinging/accusations does violence to charity. I know this man and no one can say his understanding of these issues is "shallow". He's making videos to try to help people who may not have the bandwidth for Ph.D. level study.

[@tdz3469]

​@@adoseoftheosis Charity is always more important than truth, apparently.

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

@@adoseoftheosis nothing ‘drive-by’ about fitting critique to this app’s format. There are many stages of replete ness between yt comments and phD theses. He’s correct though, that 90 seconds is not sufficient to resolve a problem that has resisted solution for 1500 years. Oriental Orthodox are NOT Monophysite and Eastern O. are not Nestorian. Both churches’ theologians are guilty of mistyping each others’ work. The very learned Sebastian Brock has said that the style of VI c. erudition and rhetoric which eventuated the schism is to blame for this mutual mischaracterization of christological stances. There is a lot to say on the matter.

[@nates_doommetal_dungeon]

Best 90-second explanation on this topic ever! 🙏🏼☦️

[@ApostolicStorm]

Amen. We cannot separate the “two natures” of Christ. He is fully man and fully God.

[@thewheyoflife3548]

I am about to attend a Coptic Orthodox church soon to get baptized, but then I move far away to college, and there is only a Greek Orthodox church there. Will they see it as just any other Orthodox when I go there? Or will I have to go through another process? Sorry if I seem massively uniformed, I have only just recently decided to convert.

[@sammytalluri1019]

Unfortunately because the churches aren’t in communion, u won’t be able to participate in the sacraments, but please speak to the priest there.. I’ve heard some stories of people in exceptional circumstances where there r no Coptic churches nearby take communion at the only eastern churches where they moved

[@dagmawityossef831]

greek Orthodox church is not Oriental church sir if you need to be baptized in the Coptic church I think you want to refer Egyptian orthodox church .they are part of the oriental orthodox so you can be baptized in another Oriental church (Ethiopian, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Indian, and Eritrean Churches) which is near to you. it is similar there because their theology and belief are the same.

[@angelamegale]

Hi! This is agood thing to talk about with your spiritual father because they can communicate with the other preists. I have friends who are coptic who live in places where there are no coptic churches so they go to the Greeks and it is completely fine. It really depends on the location and the 2 preists of the different parishes.

[@peterelarif]

So proud of you brother I’m Coptic orthodox myself, and we are very similar to Greek orthodoxy but we have some differences. You technically can’t attend a Greek orthodox communion if there are no Coptic churches near you see if there are any non Chalcedonian oriental orthodox churches such as the Assyrian Armenian, syriac, etc. God bless you brother

[@Ortho_1_Christ]

Orientals are very strict when it comes to communion.

[@overgrownegyptian]

We proclaim in the OO Church that Jesus is fully divine and fully human, two natures in the one incarnate nature of the Word of God, that He made His flesh one with His divinity without mingling, without confusion or without alteration. We do not believe in a single nature in Jesus Christ but rather a united divine-human nature. Both sides anathematized one another and thank God we have a joint written agreement of understanding that we are saying the same thing but in different ways, that we are taking joint steps to reconciling and the Orthodox families becoming one again! May God grant it during our lifetime!

[@georgevanandersson-om5ez]

Technically my brother, when you say "two natures in the incarnate nature" that is false. It is "Of two natures, one incarnatr nature", so the 2 natures are not still "in" Jesus after the incarnation. I just wanted to say that there are actual differences between us, and them (chalcedonian) beliefs but it is nothing that The Holy Spirit cannot overcome to reunite us. Thank you for posting my brother, I am glad there are Orthodox like you commenting on the faith in this way. XD

[@jonathanhanna9459]

@@georgevanandersson-om5ez I believe he misspoke; instead, he means "two essences of the one incarnate nature of the Word of God".

[@joshbanker8743]

The armenian orthodox church rejected both monophysitism and dyophyistism

[@BuraKaza]

ethiopian church also rejected it. it's miaphysite

[@aboutallaroundtheworld9994]

the Armenian are oriental orthodox

[@jesusisouraim.8487]

Yes we the Eritrean Orthodox also rejected. We belive in Miaphesite❤

[@RamNezamo]

@@jesusisouraim.8487 The Eritrean orthodox church is a derivative of the Ethiopian Orthodox church. It is like the Ukrainian Orthodox church and the Russian Orthodox church.

[@jesusisouraim.8487]

You're totaly wrong.

[@calebrobinson7277]

This is a ridiculous thing not to have communion over. The church must reunite.

[@BirukDaniel-x8l]

i am Ethiop[ian orthodox church follower but actually i even didn't know about oriental and Eastern can you clearly discribe it please

[@Ortho_1_Christ]

Greetings from Oriental Orthodox of both Ethiopia/ Eritrea. . . You make it clear that Eastern are on Mono(In two nature) whereas Orientals are on Mia(Of two nature). However, I asked the question about this in one KZbin channel, and some people from Eastern said that Eastern is Dyo. As far as I know, Dyo is Catholics. If I am not mistaken. Anyways, the division back then was all political, pretty much they are all the same except Catholics.

[@realmichaelteo]

“No ecclesiastical matter was ever set aright by compromise, for between truth and falsehood there is nothing” - St Mark of Ephesus. If we can agree theologically but express it in different ways then any expressed truth is simply relative and subject to semantics… That sounds like spiritual post-modernism. If that’s the case we may as well give up Orthodoxy.

[@innerpull]

Language barriers growing from geography and time can definitely do this. The fundamental center can remain the same. I don't know the complexities existing now, whether they're finding that essential common foundation, but this definitely can happen. Even more apparent when I learned a second language to a level of fluency - very eye-opening in that regard. So I think the aspect of semantics here isn't used as an excuse or with the aim of bending it. For instance, many of us do not speak Greek. But thankfully English allows for enough borrowing that we at least get an abstract clarity over certain terms kept (like Theotokos). That being said, we in fact aren't quite appreciating the dimension of it relative to its full context in the original language - simply because each language has its own distinct ability to convey in ways that are sometimes mechanically distinct. Hopefully this is all that's separating things here, rather than the fundamentals actually not lining up.

[@realmichaelteo]

@@innerpull In this case it's much more than semantics. If Christ has one nature (monophysitism) then he did not fully become man. Man has a human nature and so if Christ does not have human nature the incarnation was incomplete/imperfect... all theology that follows then collapses.

[@innerpull]

@@realmichaelteo 0:58 What he described about what has supposedly been misunderstood was not this description. I would agree with you based on this description. Miaphysitism, not monophysitism.

[@innerpull]

@@realmichaelteo kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5fJgX-Gm8pngM0

[@aj9969]

​@realmichaelteo Nothing is impossible for man. It is quite possible for God to display human traits if he so wishes.. Jesus Christ had only one nature - that of God.. The council of Ephesus settled this debate, but the Eastern Orthodox and Catholics didn't get the memo, and chose to torture the Oriental Orthodox believers who kept the original faith.. Patriarch Severios was severely punished by them..

[@dann_mrtins]

I wonder how we call them here, because as far as I know "eastern" and "oriental" is the same word. If there is another I cannot recall

[@youssefn7508]

You forgot Alexandrian Orthodox( the Egyptian and African Chalcedonians in the EO family)

[@youssefn7508]

In the list at the top corner in your video

[@crazykingplasma101]

egyptian is coptic, which is also oriental Orthodoxy

[@dagmawityossef831]

Egypt is not EO they are oriental orthodox there are many Egyptian priests in the Ethiopian oriental orthodox church I really don't know where you get this information but you are wrong.

[@youssefn7508]

You are talking to one my friend, Egyptian son of Egyptian Eastern Orthodox. Search up “Eastern Orthodox Patriarchate of Alexandria”and you will see. I understand what you mean by Egypt is Coptic, since the term means Egyptian Christian, making all Christians who are ethnically Egyptian, Coptic; Eastern and Oriental. What’s also accurate is that most of Egypt are Oriental Orthodox, nevertheless, there are ethnically Egyptian Eastern Orthodox Christians who follow the Eastern Orthodox Pope of Alexandria, the Chalcedonian successor of St Mark, Pope Theodoros the 2nd (the 117th Successor). One of the oldest Monasteries in the world is Mount Sinai in Egypt and it’s Eastern Orthodox (St. Katherine Monastery). Copts broke out from the Eastern Orthodox Church when they rejected the council of Chalcedon (a fraction of the Egyptian Population) the rest either migrated out or stayed like many Egyptian Chalcedonians. I love the Coptic Orthodox Church and they have beautiful Saints and people. There are martyrs and confessors of the Faith, as there were in Soviet Russia and Ottoman Greece and I hope for a reunion and an understanding between both sides.

[@TruLuan]

This disunity is crazy. This is part of my hesitation in converting to Orthodox.

[@famicommike9014]

The fact you did this in 90 seconds is amazing and hopefully both families can become whole again. I will say this though, the Eastern family has a problem where a lot of the language used online to prove themselves is very arrogant and self-righteous and very UnChristlike sadly, especially converts to whichever Eastern church they choose to convert to.

[@johnrep9690]

@famicom mike. I felt the same way. It’s a true talent to articulate so much, so clearly, in such a short period of time

[@Theoria]

Thank you for the encouragement!

[@Theoria]

Thanks, John!

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

Not only converts but generally easter orthodox has this problem. Its minority among eastern orthodox who actually understands the OO and accept them as orthodox

[@ironsandhammers359]

I agree brother. I'm russian ortodox (attending a russian speaking church under the Armenian archdiocese of America) and those who are born and raised orthodox seem to grasp a much better understanding and open mindedness to you our oriental brothers and sisters. We both are already put down enough by those in the west enough and it helps very little that some extremists and legalists should polarize our churches

[@yehellna2645]

I'm Syriac Orthodox and was wondering why we aren't mentioned under the oriental orthodox, are we not oriental I am js trying to learn abt my own church so any info would be helpful

[@WaybetterthanBron23]

We are. I don’t know why he didn’t mention it I love you want to learn more the Oriental Orthodox Churches include Syriac Ethiopian Coptic Malankara Aramean

[@kurtbansag935]

Thanks for bringing up ..

[@Oilofmercy]

So if we are saying the same thing why aren't we together. Is this the only issue? Im trying to decide on which one to join

[@KritipongChaiyapuak]

U don't choose you just accept jesus is lord thats it. Churches, popes, theology all this kind of things doesn"t matter

[@christophersalinas2722]

@@KritipongChaiyapuaknot true

[@Saint_John_The_Forerunner]

Why no communion between them if it's just about expressing the same truth a little differently?

[@carpentersson77]

As new to orthodoxy I just can't get enough information concerning this topic. This channel is top notch 👏👏👏

[@Theoria]

🙌

[@MaximusWolfe]

It’s top notch but it may take you a few years to figure that out.

[@matthewhamstein3811]

This seems pretty ecumenistic

[@MaximusWolfe]

We consider the source.

[@derek123wil0]

No. It's not wishy washy ecumenism or watery in anybway. It's a specific quandary with definite boundaries. This is a slippery slope fallacy.

[@Benjamin-bq7tc]

@@derek123wil0 Are slippery slopes a fallacy? Get on a slippery slope sometime and see. To say that the past council decisions are based on a semantic misunderstanding, is to reject the notion that ecumenical councils are guarded from error by the Holy Spirit...which would then make us Protestants, by DEFINITION.

[@jonathanhanna9459]

@@Benjamin-bq7tc Well, we don't recognize those as Ecumenical Councils in the first place, so they (or at the very least Chaledon) aren't guarded by the Holy Spirit. Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus I and II are the major Councils we recognize as OO.

[@jonathanhanna9459]

@@Benjamin-bq7tc Also, the 'Slippery Slope Fallacy' is not that slippery slopes don't exist; rather, it is that someone can proclaim that something is a slippery slope without one being present. Both EO and OO churches ask for the schisms of the Church to cease in Divine Liturgy, so why do you go against the Church's aspirations when you can't prove that ecumenism will lead to the destruction of the Church?

[@FatherAndTeacherTV]

Thank you for explaining!

[@b_ks]

Sooo... Around the year A.D. 500 some bigwigs got their wires crossed over terminology and 1500 years later we figured out we shouldn't have used different thesaurus. 😊

[@PMD631]

My husband is an Orthodox Priest in Tennessee where we are OCA,,my husband was an Orthodox Priest for the army for twentyfour years ti minister to soldiers

[@NouraZahle]

Can we discuss the political reasons that led to the split? Language idiosyncrasies alongside political slights like when the Armenian Church wasn’t invited to additional councils and was personally insulted when Byzantine refused aid when Armenians and Assyrians were attacked by Persians and later Seljuks led to separation with Apostolic and Eastern Orthodox. The faithful decision for the Armenian Apostolic Church to be distinct from others came at the Council of Chalcedon in October 451 when decisions regarding how to practice Christian faith were made without the presence of an Armenian delegation. It was the same year of the Battle of Avarayr (fought on 2 June 451). That was the famous battle which saw the death of Vartan Mamigonian and most of the Armenian nobility opposing the Persian empire/faith. The Armenian army had no realistic help from fellow Christian nations at the time, (just as it always seems, alone during genocide of 1915 where Greeks Assyrians and Armenians were abandoned by Western leaders, alone during ethnic cleansing of Artsakh). The Armenian Church had not accepted the conclusions of the Council of Chalcedon, which had defined that Christ is 'acknowledged in two natures', and condemned the exclusive use of the formula "from two natures" saying Jesus was unified God and Man. The Greek Orthodox declared the Armenian Church and the Jacobite Church heretics in 1140. Multiple figures tried to reunite the two like Mkhitar Gosh and Saint Nerses the Gracious but wars limited interactions. You can also see that the Greek Orthodox Church was a little petty for political matters and wanted the Byzantine Emperor to control electing Armenian faith leaders as a political power play, when Nerses the Gracious was striving for reunification. They belittled Armenia as a separate nation. It hampered reunion of the faiths.

[@greententacle22]

It's interesting, and in some ways humorous, the different hoops and lengths different churches and denominations will go to in order to explain the nature of Jesus and also the godhead or trinity.

[@bdchatfi]

If the Oriental Orthodox say that they believe in the same thing as the Eastern Orthodox, then all they need to do is to accept the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th Ecumenical Councils, and we will be united as brothers. Since that has not happened in the past 1,500 years, I don't think this just a language misunderstanding. I would recommend looking at the 5th Ecumenical Council which did explain Chalcedon two natures definition using St. Cyril's terminology. The 5th Council was and continues to be rejected by the Miaphysites.

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

If OO and EO wants to unite both need to come forward. Not just other one. Both have made mistake

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@ryrocks9487 that what you just said is perfect example how fanatical eastern orthodox are. I am EO but i feel it to be like a cult. OO are true christians and they dont say catholic or protestant would not be christians but EO sometimes claims even that

[@dagmawityossef831]

who said we need to unite who are you to say this guys if you don't know our theology doesn't say anything we don't accept the Council of Chalcedon never. @@gabrielgabriel5177

[@dagmawityossef831]

as oriental orthodox, we never say we belive in the same thing as the Eastern Orthodox. we never go to EO church to pray. we don't baptize in the hand of EO prist.

[@LadyMaria]

​​@@dagmawityossef831My old Greek Parish had many Ethiopian Tewahedo. There is even one of those churches here but they choose to go to the Greek church and even baptize their children there. I've seen a couple at my Russian Parish too.

[@MSKofAlexandria]

As a Copt, I love my EO brothers ☦️

[@MinaDKSBMSB]

This is how Leo "congratulated" Dioscorus on becoming Pope of Alexandria. You choose which narrative you want to believe from this point forward and how to act on it. There is a narrative that slanders him and one that doesn’t: "For since the most blessed apostle Peter receives the apostolic primacy from the Lord and the Roman church continues the traditions he established, it is wrong to believe that his holy disciple Mark, who first ruled the church at Alexandria, formulated decrees with other provisions than those handed down to him. For the single spirit of the disciple and the master was unquestionably from the same source of grace, nor could the one consecrated hand down something different from what he received from his consecrator."

[@jemts5586]

Belief isn't chosen.

[@MinaDKSBMSB]

@@jemts5586 amen

[@hllymchll]

im looking into orthodoxy and theres a russian and coptic church near me. those are the only two options and i wsnt to visit one (or both eventually). am i alone in that after watching this and reading, i still dont understand the difference? 😂

[@PMD631]

We have Orientle,and Coptic Cristians,and such,no problem we also haveAmarican,like me,Matushka Susanna Dubinin. I Tennessee

[@jacobmorin485]

Is the schism of a different nature than that with Rome ?

[@Tesseract1887]

So why is there still not communion then?

[@milosmilivojevic7616]

Plot twist… St. Cyril didn’t said that… they’ve inserted these words… but he never have said that.

[@MinaDKSBMSB]

Letters to Succensus I, Succensus II, Acacius, Eulogius, Valerian, and the book “That Christ is One” all have the miaphysite dogma. All this in addition to the dogma at Ephesus I , including the 3rd anathema which states that Christ is one according to nature (kat physikin).

[@giwrgosemdou6545]

For anyone who doesn't know Greek monophysitism and miaphysitism mean exactly the same ie one physis

[@charlesnunno8377]

It really seems to me...considering how willing they sometimes are to say this "but we agree" bit.... This is a cultural difference being masked by theology. I would propose to solve all such problems by simply declaring that Phylums matter to peoples and that we should respect their desires to be separate on that basis alone. Watch how fast people stop playing up theological difference.

[@bond3161]

Perhaps eastern and oriental ultimately meant the same thing regarding the nature of Christ? Maybe they were divided and misunderstood each other, affected by negativity of other heretical beliefs at the time? For example some believe in two distinct separate nature of Christ? If it's the same idea but expressed differently, it's still in agreement. Two nature shared by one person = 1 incarnate unity nature? Kinda reminds me of the difficulty of the triune God. One God made of three persons. It's three persons, but one being of God.

[@LarryBonson]

The simple answer is Jesus was the perfect vessel/conduit for God he was in perfect synchronization and parallel with God.

[@christodharma]

Im very interested in Orthodoxy, for me Oriental Orthodoxy is the way to go since it is not empirical like EO and RCC, and OO also makes a clear distinction between state and religion wich is the correct attitude! It was even persecuted by the so called byzantine orthodox wich is completely political in nature, the world has entered EO long time ago and it even shaped its theology, like the false ideology of romanism and is very much tribalistic or ethnophyletistic. It did intermingle with kings, emperors, tsars throughout history which makes them lose the grace of the Holy Spirit, while OO was always the real suffering church and is continues to be in the 21st century, so I might wanna join the Coptic Church that seems the most humble and geniune of all.

[@nickcosta7985]

Among other things i felt particularly drawn to the OO church when i learned the martyrs of the OO church outnumber those of all other christian sects combined by far which was quite shocking to learn

[@JoeRafinski]

Ever hear of the Ethiopian Empire? Also, Armenia was the first officially Christian state buddy.

[@AlphaOmegaTruth7]

I don't feel that's a good enough reason to break apart and not be in communion with each other..I hope and pray that we all become One Holy Apostolic Catholic Orthodox Church again

[@user-vv1do1wg1j]

Theoria is a midwit. then you know better than 1600 years of consistent teaching, better than countless saints and the ecumenical councils

[@AliceAiswarayaRajeev-gg8gu]

Oriental is right💪💪

[@rsissel1]

Is it the hat?

[@ElCineHefe]

Caesar was pleased by making God in his image.

[@idontknowname-rl8yb]

We are not the same we dont agreed

[@michaelseay9783]

Thanks for posting, I tend to agree with the Oriental Orthodox with Jesus being in 2 natures, but what if it was just simply the Holy Spirit guiding Jesus? Seems like things tend to get over complicated when theology comes into play.

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

That is complitely heretical what you just suggested. Jesus Christ was fully God not just ordinary human guided by the Holy Spirit

[@yesatitsfinest]

Mfw you disagree with the council of nicea 🤮

[@Conmezzo]

It seems this came down to linguistics on how to express Jesus as fully divine and fully human. Speaking of linguistics doesn't the word oriental mean east? But we get it.

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

Oriental truly means eastern and oriental churches truly are eastern. Byzantine Eastern orthodox is acutally western. It just was just eastern part if roman empire but still totally western.

[@rinsonraju1057]

Malankara syrian orthodox christian ❤

[@Krumanionec]

Brothers and sister in Christ, remember The Golden Rule (Matthew 7:12). Then argue amongst yourselves about earthly thinks. Yes, we have some minor differences EO and OO and CO but remember we are most alike then them all others( all the other pegans, heretics, unbelievers and outright satanists) !!!!! And Remember! In almost Every EO Church there is a depiction of The Holy Family going to Egypt( I visited it last year, Glory to God)! Greetings to all my brothers and siters in Christ in Egypt from Bulgaria! Hope to see you ALL near the throne of Our Father! Glory to God!

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

In my experience most EO people just dont get what is OO

[@gabrielgabriel5177]

@@icxcnika2037 why is that? I have been following teaching of OO about 9 years and attended holy liturgy. I am obly disciple but i think i know what it is about - not a heresy

[@noblemottythomas7664]

Armenian orthodox Coptic orthodox Syrian orthodox Tawhedo orthodox Doctrine of Miaphysitism ❤❤❤

[@liju3651]

Oriental orthodoxy is the only true faith. The only faith that never faltered in christ. God was born, God died and God rose from the dead. St Mary is the mother of God.

[@dagmawityossef831]

thank you for sharing the truth.

[@nikoseufert3187]

Actually we believe the same as eastern ortodox and we are the true faith you believe in 1 nature which christ have we believe He had 2 natures

[@liju3651]

@@nikoseufert3187 that is not orthodoxy. Sorry to say.. however let's pray for peace and unity .

[@liju3651]

@@nikoseufert3187 one nature one physis. Our Lord is having one nature only one physis which is without confusion both fully human and fully God.

[@AronGirma]

Please stop commenting misinformation I am Oriental othodox myself but our church does not teach that GOD died.Oriental Orthodox church teaches that Jesus human nature died and not his divinity because his soul separated from his human nature and his soul was never separated from his divinity.

[@jonysanchez1890]

So whos right?

[@KritipongChaiyapuak]

It doesn't matter it's just theology we as humans try to learn the nature of god which is not what christianity focuses. Just accept jesus and thats all.

[@jonysanchez1890]

@@KritipongChaiyapuak so what part of Christianity are you from

[@jonysanchez1890]

@@KritipongChaiyapuak just curious

[@christophersalinas2722]

@@KritipongChaiyapuakbro what

[@luciusrex22]

Please check out what David Erham has to say on this subject well worth your time.

[@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse]

Jesus or the world. Thats it, no orthodox or Pentecostal or catholic or whatever. The Bible made it clear, its Jesus having a relationship with God or be separated for eternity.

[@nikoseufert3187]

Bro you watch cliffe to often i guess😂

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, together with His unoriginate Father and with the Holy Spirit. And all Orthodox Christians do have a relationship with our Lord, God and Savior Jesus Christ.

[@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse]

@@theleastofpilgrims3379 Yes but I heard they say the flesh is bad. God created the flesh so its not bad, its for a purpose. But overall I dont know much about orthodox honestly and I hope they worship God in Spirit and in Truth and are led to do missionary work and preaching like the wind as the Holy Spirit of God guided them as he is guiding me an ex Buddhist.

[@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse]

@@nikoseufert3187 No no. I read the Bible, most of what Cliffe teaches is already there in the Bible. I agree with nearly all of what he says but only some I think he could elaborate way better. The wisdom from the Bible is beyond Cliffe and Philosophers. Ive only read the Bible last year. God has given me so much wisdom, I just listen to him like a child to father teaching me. I got saved by God 5 years ago, I was deceived 4 years by human and returned to God alone in Jesus last year. Matt 13:13-15 “Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, And seeing you will see and not perceive; 15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.”

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

@@JesusSavesTheLostBrokenConfuse We Orthodox Christians do not say that the flesh is bad. I am glad you found Christ and I do hope you have a chance to learn about the beautiful expressions of faith in Orthodox Christianity and the other ancient liturgical churches. God bless you

[@jesusisouraim.8487]

If no miapheysite No Salvation at all.

[@christophersalinas2722]

lol

[@JohnBog]

It's the same thing said differently

[@dagmawityossef831]

no no no we are different ok we are two different religions. as oriental orthodox, we can go to Ethiopian, Coptic, Armenian, Syrian, Indian, and Eritrean Churches we don't go to Eastern churches to pray or to do any religious thing it's not allowed. we oriental orthodox do not accept the Council of Chalcedon. but eastern orthodox do. we believe in the one composite unified nature of Christ. they believe in two natures of Jesus which is a totally unacceptable thing in the oriental orthodox church. we are way different.

[@SirElinator]

@@dagmawityossef831 Sarcasm off

[@pede8889]

Jesus Christ is God the Father and HE is a Spirit inhabiting a physical body. Your body is not you in the same way Christs body is not a Person but inhabited by the Holy Spirit who is a Person. Christ IS that Spirit. There are not three nor two spirits but ONE invisible God who is Holy and the Holy Spirit. When you seen Jesus you seen the Father in His Prepared body IF He revealed Himself to you.

[@cherubin7th]

Unfortunately, the Eastern Orthodox picked up a lot of heresies since then.

[@christophersalinas2722]

such as? btw i’m not eastern orthodox

[@Ih8uUwu]

How can God incarnate which is jesus christ as we all belive have two nature which means he would be complete human at a time losing his divintiy .. dont be fooled guys God can never lose his divinity . It was united flesh and divintiy as one without separation, confusion in perfection.

[@kardzYT]

Christ cannot have only 1 nature. Human and divine cannot be one.

[@davidciavarri7920]

I agree thats why we orientals believe that Jesus has two natures, (key word is two both human and divine) in one incaration of the word that has alsways been

[@kardzYT]

@@davidciavarri7920 orientals dont believe Christ has 2 natures no, they are miaphysites. Which oriental orthodox Church do you go to that accepts proper christology?

[@davidciavarri7920]

@@kardzYT I'm coptic but that's what Miaphysistism is. You're thinking of monophysitism which is a heresy and the coptic church has nothing to do with that. We believe the same thing as eastern orthodox we just used different terminology to combat the heresies of the time

[@kardzYT]

@@davidciavarri7920 2 natures independent of one another is orthodox, mias dont believe they are independent. Monos say there is only 1.

[@davidciavarri7920]

@@kardzYT Mia is the believe that Jesus Christ has a complete nature that has both human and divine.its not just one nature it's two that work as one in Christ

[@follow_Holy_Fathers]

This is not Orthodox.

[@regularladz]

As a regular Christian i think jesus is jesus full stop😂

[@theleastofpilgrims3379]

Regular Christians believe Jesus Christ is the second person of the Trinity, begotten of the Father before all worlds, begotten, not made, of one essence with the Father, and that He has become incarnate as a full human being for our salvation, and is thus fully God and fully man without change, confusion, separation or division. Simply saying “Jesus is Jesus” is a tautology, and tautological statements are tautological (in other words, it could mean anything).

[@xenomorph3161]

Gives you more reason to not follow these religions because of all the controversy

[@dagmawityossef831]

all religions have controversy otherwise they become one religion. Oriental Orthodox and eastern orthodox are 2 different religions they don't need to be similar. you follow religion for yourself, not for them.

[@raymondcannon2141]

@xenomorph3161 The Lord Jesus Christ's Cross was a "stumbling block" to Jews and Greeks. Does that mean we shouldn't follow Him?

[@17-MASY]

Thanks for explaining; however, There is only one true God, and Jesus was completely a human prophet like Abraham and Moses and Muhammad Peace be upon them,also I advise reading chapter 19 of the Qur'an for more information. What happened is that because Jesus was created without a father (just like Adam was created without parents) some corrupted the idea to that he was completely or partially divine.

[@brotherbroseph1416]

I’m sorry good sir but Muhammad was mistaken. He even believed an evil spirit first had proclaimed to him. It was an Arian priest who misled Muhammad. Jesus is the Hebrew messiah, the nations’ king, the GodMan. Trinity is not worship of three gods as many would tell you, but rather we Christians believe that the persons in the Trinity make up the One True God. Each person shares in the FULL DIVINE ESSENCE but has their own personhood. One of these persons, the Logos, became a man through Our Lady. He has crushed death by death and taken our humanity on high ascending into the highest of places and seated at the right hand of the Father. Muhammad mistook much of our religion unfortunately and borrowed much as well. Peace be with you

[@tjdronex1113]

Prove Jesus wasn’t crucified without using the quran. We can prove Jesus was crucified without the Bible.

[@17-MASY]

@@tjdronex1113 You actually cannot prove it.

[@tjdronex1113]

@@17-MASY we can. We have letters from Roman and Jewish historians at the time detailing the crucifixion. We also have letters from Pontius Pilate to the emperor of Rome confirming the crucifixion. Not to mention the Apostles, who ate, slept, and talked with Christ, were martyred for the Faith. Saying that Jesus is God. Also notice how you don’t even answer my question?

[@17-MASY]

@@tjdronex1113 A God cannot be crucified