LISTEN | PART 2: Day 17 of Lori Vallow Daybell trial

[@HapticFrequencies]

0:05:00 Rylene Nowlin ISP Forensic State lab-Lab Manager 25:30 Kathryn Dace ISP Forensic DNA Lab Specialist 59:30 Cross of Ms. Dace 1:13:30 Tara Martinez ISP Forensic Service Latent Print Unit 1:45:55 Detective Chuck Kunsaitis Satellite Imaging 🛰 2:01:36 Cross of Det. Kunsaitis 2:09:03 Samantha Gwilliams - Tammy's Sister

[@lisaduffy2100]

Thank you 😊

[@sisterbluesighs]

thanks for taking the time to do this💙

[@CBD78]

Thank you 😊

[@poppycock9248]

Lori and Chad did a great job of making Alex Cox their fall guy. Should be obvious to the jury that this is how it all went down.

[@miradamevska5887]

And then killed himself convinient for the cause 😢

[@babswhite8190]

I wouldn't call him the fall guy. He was a very willing participant! Didn't have to twist his arm!

[@Golden_Girl7123]

They still get life in prison for murder for hire

[@djstl]

@Babs White I agree! Chad and Lori are disgusting and involved in each of the murders. Alex was a cold blooded killer but didn't kill them on his own, or for his own reasons. None of these people have a conscience.

[@HapticFrequencies]

​@Mira Damevska Unfortunately, we can not say his death was planned by himself or by others given the Medical Examination Report. He died of Deep Vein Thrombosis, clot(s), that traveled up likley from his leg(s)& through the heart and into the lungs causing a Pulmonary Embolism. PE's don't kill everyone this happens to, it depends on the size of the clot(s) & any history of cardiac or respiratory compromise. To our knowledge, there's no way to induce this occurring in any type of time frame as its based on lifestyle & propensity to have an abnormal PT INR.

[@lizhykes1342]

I thought Alex Murdaugh was a cold hearted person killing his son and wife but this is more gruesome than anything I have ever heard. Rip JJ and Tylee

[@Golden_Girl7123]

Chris Watts was horrific

[@zombiejerry3105]

Mormon Manson Family...Charlie Manson was just as bad

[@willoutlaw4971]

Great judge in the Murdaugh double homicide case in South Carolina. Judge Newman.

[@brentcline4552]

@@Golden_Girl7123 oh ya that POS!

[@byrdie1111]

she is evil no other word to describe a psychopath & narrcist

[@claudia.sanchez.b3]

Thanks!

[@qxq-]

The latent prints on the duct tape around JJ were confirmed to be those of Alex Cox.

[@justme-fe2sf]

My deepest respect to all those individuals ( witnesses) that have lent their expertise and have had to face the horrors of this case and give their testimony

[@sarac1118]

That’s all he can do is try to attack their credentials and education. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@GlennaVan]

@@sarac1118 Yet he is the one who asked if four pints make a gallon!!!

[@dianealarcon8304]

Blessings to Samantha, painful testimony, yet it was nice to hear about Tammy the person who was loved so much.

[@tektako]

Alex was right, hes gon be their fall guy.

[@thardin69]

I fear this. We know Alex made deliveries. We need that smoking gun and the rest will fall in place.

[@lynnegackstetter2779]

Alex had a head injury from a car accident when he was 16. His sister Summer mentioned that his mentality was stuck at a teenager. Lori used that to convince him to kill for her.

[@samanthalawless1408]

Thank You NATE EATON #EAST IDAHO NEWS and FAMILY.

[@thejurydoctor6097]

2:01:46 the detective gets choked up saying it’s where they found Tylee ❤

[@joannepollak5843]

Defense attorney Thomas has yet to make a valid point in his cross of any witness. Incredible

[@vladtheimpala218]

More than not, he is proving the state's position.

[@donnackk5860]

Samantha is broken. What a heartbreaking situation.😢

[@lolagibson2044]

So according to the dna. One of these horrible suspects used a pick ax on Tylee. Hope that child had already passed b4 they used it. This is all so heinous.

[@lynnegackstetter2779]

I hope she wasn't outside and was hit with the pickaxe to kill her. I would think if she was shot possibly that someone looked for any bullets or casings.

[@lucyseidner8661]

😢😢😢😢😢 This is the most horrible 😞 case in history She was only 16 years old 😢😢

[@davidfann5397]

Thank for bringing this I appreciate your abilitie to present this without over doing it

[@cruzinbosco]

So Jason Mow's DNA was included but not David Warwick's. That is so bizarre to me.

[@babswhite8190]

Who is Jason?!

[@CatholicHousewife2017]

​@@babswhite8190 exactly ???

[@babswhite8190]

BOOM! ALEX COX!! MAY HE ROT IN HELL!!

[@babswhite8190]

Holy hell! Chad WAS a grave digger!! You can't make this shit up!

[@babswhite8190]

Holy hell! Since when do investigators get info from media!!?? Are you phucking kidding me!!!?? Oh, but wait..🤢🤮

[@kellijanssen1171]

Thank you Nate.

[@RachelXKnight666]

Every time the DNA specialist said she found DNA blood samples I got my hopes up. Then my hopes sank when it was yet again Tylee

[@babswhite8190]

Did they even get DNA from Alex?? Didn't hear him mentioned...absurd!

[@lynnegackstetter2779]

The blood on the handle and eye of the pickaxe were proven to be from Tylee. My guess it is what killed her. Or was used to start to dismember her right after she was killed. To get blood up on the handle that has to be splattered up there. I'm sure we'll hear more about this.

[@zanpsimer7685]

Tylee’s DNA on tools at Chad’s is quite incriminating.

[@kellijanssen1171]

Love the picture of the elderly shitzu.

[@crystalakabeavergamingsubs9549]

😂😂😂😂

[@catjack8330]

@Kelli Janssen😜😂🤣 That’s hilarious! Comment of the day! Thank you for that I needed a laugh🫶

[@dawnhasbroken6304]

I can't unsee that. 😆😆😆

[@ralphmajor1947]

That's a insult to the Shitzu 😂 !

[@lucyseidner8661]

I have beautiful shitzu don’t insult my poor baby 😂😂😂

[@sandyschneider6792]

Did anyone ever check the freezers to see if Tylee body parts were stored and/ or check the house for gunshot residue?

[@lisafigueroa5307]

Why does part 2 every day have a crap ton of ads???🤬

[@SerenDipity64711]

@@pikas_palace 🤣

[@dawnhasbroken6304]

Just run the cursor to the end and then hit the restart icon...you're welcome!

[@willoutlaw4971]

Great forensic experts!

[@vladtheimpala218]

Whenever I hear, is defense ready for cross, the first thing comes to mind is here come the HR questions...

[@RuthOrange-ym3yy]

I am listening from the UK and appreciate the quality of the East Idaho News's coverage. Nate is an impressive and professional reporter. I do not have to contend with constant interruptions / advertisements because I downloaded Brave to my mobile phone and then searched for KZbin within the Brave app. This filters out advertisements very efficiently. As for the competency or otherwise of the defence counsel and judge, I prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt. Lori's actions are indefensible so the defence is left clutching at straws. Meanwhile, the judge knows that he must do the best he can in difficult circumstances to not give grounds for a mistrial or an appeal. My greatest concern is that the trials of Lori and Chad were separated. This appears particularly cruel to the bereaved and grieving relatives and friends who had the misfortune to be part of the lives of Lori and Chad. The emotional toll on the forensic experts, police and FBI who will thus be compelled to give the same evidence twice, should also have been considered before separating the trials. My final thought is how easy it is for either narcissists or vulnerable people to slide from mainstream religious beliefs into the realm of fantasy by putting their faith into other fallible human beings. If there is a higher power who, in some way, for some reason, takes an interest in the lives and actions of human beings, would it not be safer for each of us to draw our own conclusions on this matter, rather than swallow, hook, line and sinker, the insane and inane ramblings of other flawed human beings claiming variously to be delivering the word of God or are themselves part of the Godhead. Every organised (and societally accepted) religion I know of, provides its more instrumental and/or psychologically unstable followers with an effective means of gaining status and power over others.

[@awright119021]

When it comes to separating the trials, it had to be done unfortunately. No one wanted it to happen, except for the defense, but legally the judge's hands were tied. Lori refused to waive her right to a speedy trial and was already well overdue for it to start. Chad waived his right and there was new evidence they claimed they needed to test which pushed his trial back again. Since Lori's couldn't be pushed back and Chad's had to be, there was nothing the judge could do except separate the trials.

[@tammyirwin703]

@@awright119021let’s not forget that Lori herself played a huge part in it being past the time for a speedy trial due to her mental health. I believe she was playing the court system game and her attorney’s knew exactly how to play their cards just right to get the DP off the table for her.

[@joannemurdock7899]

​@@tammyirwin703 u r right no DP no cameras no joint trial 😮

[@tammyirwin703]

@@joannemurdock7899 HORRY LORI and her attorney’s played the court system to their (her) benefit and I can not believe no one else sees it for what it is.

[@pawsitivelymystreet]

@RuthOrange I appreciate your thoughts. I agree with you regarding the judge and defense attorney. They are doing their jobs, not displaying personal opinion. The judge is adhered to "rule of law" and doing his best to make sure it is applied to both parties. No matter how sure you are that she is dripping and wallowing in guilt, the basis of the US criminal court says "innocent until proven" and that the accused has the right to effective legal representation. The defense team HAS TO make every effort to poke holes in testimony and introduce doubt. I have friends, the parents of high school chums, who were brutally killed during a home invasion in the late 80s. The trials of the 3 perpetrators were separated and yes, it is brutal to sit through multiple rehashings and multiple defense teams. What an education! Only one of these men received the death penalty, which has been overturned on appeals and re-sentenced to the same conclusion three more times. It's taken years and we have been present for every single day of courtroom testimony. Over the decades, witnesses die and memory fades. Prior testimony of deceased persons may be read into record but they are only allowed as dry, emotionless readings by random court personnel. The governor of our state recently reversed all death penalty sentences before she left office, a gift to her own personal views. Still not willing to accept a life sentence, the murderer of my friends has been granted yet another trial hearing, claiming now that each of his prior 4 trials and each of his prior defense teams amounted to "ineffective representation" , else he would not be in prison. He still claims innocence (his codefendants admit guilt) and a preponderance of evidence leaves no doubt in my mind (nor the minds of 4 separate juries) yet here we are. I hope now that all the times I got mad at judges or attorneys for arguing or ruling in his favor will be enough to justify his very adequate defense. You have to be able to listen to and consider the defense's role and argument to strengthen and remove all doubt of a guilty conclusion. That is the hard task of a juror.

[@opaladkins6379]

I have watched this awful Trial from day one and I am still lost for words 😢😢😢😢 still can't believe I have heard or seen.

[@scrapperiam463]

If she gets off I hope she is determined to be a zombie.......

[@bettyechols6405]

Alex told his wife a few days before his death that the other 2 would be making him the fall guy. Sounds like he might have been the murderer

[@sheilacrabtree5993]

It was his order I guess. But remember melanie couldn't find lori early morning of 9/23/2019 or Chad when her boyfriend had a nightmare

[@robyn874]

I’m surprised of the graphic detail Lori’s Attorney continues to use; I’d thought he’d be more respectful for his client & victims. The Prosecution are 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@SerenDipity64711]

he is disrespectful, no doubt.

[@Bluebel25blue]

@@SerenDipity64711 Yes, and extremely irritating!

[@liztops1761]

Great coverage

[@aimee6akj1]

This defense attorney is exasperating

[@lisachaney4320]

Is Thomas seriously asking if Kylee was Native American. Who is giving him these questions

[@jane6989]

Finally, Alex Cox handprints found.

[@bettyechols6405]

Lord, please don't let this psycho and chad go free...

[@brentcline4552]

No they are both headed to prison. Where they will both learn how much child killers are despised by other inmates! Karma !

[@loristrickland4586]

Those poor kids. This is horrific

[@rebeccaswift7588]

Most of us felt all along that Alex would be blamed for the murders. Alex got it right telling Zulema he thought he was being set up to be their fall guy.. So far it seems that Chad and Alex are on trial here and not Lori..I hope prosecution comes up with more evidence pointing directly at Lori..im worried..

[@lynnegackstetter2779]

I think he was speaking about being the fall guy with Tammy's death as he and Zulema were discussing the exhumation of Tammy's body that day.

[@Bluebel25blue]

Lori is just as guilty - Don't worry, for she will get her Just Desserts.

[@jwbrown9240]

I think the phone records showing Alex in the vicinity of Daybells residence at an odd time frame AND in communication with Lori during that time is evidence implicating her. Also, the babysitter s testimony regarding her lies concerning Tylees whereabouts.n

[@eugene54547]

She is a serial killer

[@babswhite8190]

I cringe when the defense comes up! 🤪

[@Bluebel25blue]

Yeah, I think we all do

[@ThatGirlT77]

I don't understand how these evil people thought they would EVER get away with killing these kids?? Kay and Larry were in constant contact with JJ. Did they think Kay and Larry would just be ok with never speaking to him again?? Lori knows them better than that. They loved that boy with all their hearts, they would never just sit back and be ok with never seeing him or speaking with him again. And Tylee was giving Colby money a lot of the time. Do they think people would be ok with never seeing these kids again with no explanation? I know she tried to play it off like she had them in "hiding" or that Tylee was at college or whatever but people would want to see them again at some point. She couldn't just explain their disappearance away forever! Social security would need to see her again to keep getting her SS money. They were sure to be caught eventually. I wonder if Chad wouldn't have eventually killed Lori and moved on to another woman? I thought it was pretty telling that they gave the DNA Lab Specialist Melanie Gibb's DNA profile. I swear she knew more than what she let on. Not that she killed them but she knew more imo.

[@Cali-is-top10]

They thought Jesus’ second coming was going to happen in July 2020, I believe. So I guess they thought they could just hide out and stall everyone until the chaos associated with the second coming happened and then nobody would be thinking about the kids. I guess. 🤷🏻‍♀️ They are pretty crazy.

[@JujuMama23]

You have to remember that in their cult ideology the world was going to end and only the 144,000 (that they were leading) would go on

[@susanstandard8727]

Hurts my soul!

[@babswhite8190]

So what now, challenging tylee as black or Mexican to cause doubt?! This guy is grasping to absurdity!

[@Bluebel25blue]

A dreadful defence - He sure is irritating.

[@ldolan4051]

Imagine those that know exactly the what's, whens, whys and are listening and could correct the speculations and assessments. If we only had the key to open those minds. I wish I had that answer. What are they thinking during this? and she's an hair artist🤦‍♀️ "Is that what I'm thinking?". Priceless

[@bettyechols6405]

Defense has no Defense

[@stephanied6451]

Why does the thumbnail have to be of Lori? I hate looking at her face

[@honorgordon2698]

rob woods verbal communication as a prosecutor in this case are far inferior to that of his lady prosecutor please stand down. He should of been taken off this case when he empathised with summer and made the statement that he agreed with her that he too did not think lori had a hand in the deaths of her children mr people pleaser should not pracise instead should become a social worker.

[@Bluebel25blue]

I disagree - Rob Woods is an excellent prosecutor. I hear nothing wrong with his communication.

[@sharonashcraft6358]

I hope Lori likes hearing from actual intelligent women.

[@valferguson8322]

How stupid to put these tools back!!!! Like no investigation would be done on THEM once kids would be discovered!!!! Oh but God told them to do this!!!! How awful is that to keep repeating!!!! That God has “washed away their SINS”!!!!!!! That they are “the CHOSEN ONES”!!!!! Sick Sick Sick!!!!!

[@bettyechols6405]

This is worse than Alex Murdaugh, because this was up close and personal. Alex just shot his. Ole Leticia stabbed her 10 yo stepson

[@Bluebel25blue]

What do you mean, "- Just shot his"? -

[@gwennk4962]

Don't forget that he's also a thief. A very big thief. He was corrupt while pretending to be a champion for the people. No one knows how many people he harmed.

[@gypsyqueen411]

The best testimony on this day was getting positive match on AC prints.

[@annjoyce-f1q]

Her manerisms remind me of Hannible Lecter .

[@opaladkins6379]

Alex Murdock didn't hold a light to this Trial.

[@pjcat3522]

Does the DNA test mean Joe Ryan wasn't Tylee's biological father but someone called David Trehan was?

[@astrialindah2773]

No that's JJ's father.

[@Bettybop49]

JJ was adopted.

[@sheilacrabtree5993]

David is JJs biological dad. They didn't test Joe for Tylee only lori

[@rebeccaswift7588]

Dennis Trahan was JJs bio dad (Kay's son)..Joseph Ryan was Tylees bio dad but Colby Ryan's step dad..

[@astrialindah2773]

@@Bettybop49 everybody knows that hun....😃

[@elchevaspeaks2619]

I’m so tired of hearing that stenographer typing and it sounds like the witnesses are chewing gum. The mic is too close to her.

[@HapticFrequencies]

Thats not the stenographer, those machine doesn't sound like that & all in all very quiet. That is likely either Nate typing as he gives updates on Twitter every few minutes or for EIN Articles.

[@Bluebel25blue]

*Elcheva Speaks* Just be thankful we are able to sit back in our armchairs and hear what these three despicable ppl did - and know that they will all rot in hell.

[@kellystillwell3122]

She looks really mad in this photo.

[@Bluebel25blue]

and looks like an old hag!

[@NikiBoBicki]

Basically this is what happens when Botox wear off and fillers are reabsorbed. This is the real face of Lori.

[@seven471]

Looks like shes trying to push out a grumpie

[@AuntCathyPooh]

😂😂😂😂

[@lucyseidner8661]

💩🚽😂

[@tammy5926]

She stepped on a bee. 😂

[@HapticFrequencies]

Chad is FAR from being a victim, but it appears that both of them Have histories of lying, secretive behaviors & access to harming others & making it look 'natural or accidental'. 🔥 Fire & ⛽️ Gasoline: Watch everything around you explode into death, Mayhem and Chaos... Chad & Lori: Hold our 🍻 beers, please...

[@jessaabraham]

Seems weird that Chad is this stupid to leave tools not washed after such heinous crime! They collected these materials months after the crime. Does not make sense. Again this is a case against Lori. I am still only able to see a criminal connected to not reporting the missing child. I cannot even get a circumstantial here. If I was in the jury I would need more evidence even circumstantial to commit this criminal. As a person outside the jury box I can clearly see her crime but in that box I would need more evidence. Hopefully they have something coming up.

[@shizzle7642]

Conspiracy to commit murder is still murder no less!

[@jessaabraham]

@@shizzle7642 I don’t see any conspiracy at this time. Hoping to.

[@kellijanssen1171]

I don’t agree. If she didn’t tell Chad and Alex to commit these murders, she at a minimum agreed to them and then lied about it for months. “My children are fine, safe, being protected and I know exactly where they are”.

[@georgiesmith106]

Just had a thought, if prosecutors get Enough evidence against Chad, maybe Lori will turn state evidence against him. To save herself from Life sentence.

[@tracischraenkler4801]

When Colby was yelling at Lori about killing the kids, she said you can't understand because you weren't there, or something similar. Does that mean anything? How would she know who was and was not there?

[@AdamGoNoles]

I hope this judge works jurors longer days on less horrific cases. Even on this case id be asking judge to work until 5 and shave a few days away from elderly shitzu

[@lolainma3218]

He’s got nothing else.

[@LisaRodriguez-t7q]

Wow so no wonder why Alex was killed or died as well

[@kabbystevens5167]

Good job on satellite pictures being exposed by media forum.

[@carolynemerson6576]

Judge and prosecution (and defence) are fulfilling their roles perfectly really. No showmanship, but rational, professional and strategic behaviour. I hope the haters now appreciate the decisions to sever the cases, and remove the death penalty and cameras.

[@bettyechols6405]

This is IT...FINGER PRINTS FROM JJ GRAVE...NO, NO NO...

[@mimzy1924]

I was the 666 person to like this...I feel like taking it back but I wont....creep town

[@pjswentik716]

Defense Mr. Wood's voice is hard to listen to.

[@miriamm3780]

He's Prosecution.

[@tammyirwin703]

@@Mataylor17I would rather swallow staples and chew on glass than listen to Thomas 😳 and Rachel Smith seems a little slowwww wuth using UMMM every other word. Rob Wood and Lindsay Blake are great along with the other 2

[@petapumpkineater7185]

​@Mrs Mayhem the ums and uhs are killing me. I can't concentrate

[@HapticFrequencies]

​​@@petapumpkineater7185 Play it at x1.5 the speed, helps alot!

[@olgatrilogymartin3143]

Lol

[@loristrickland4586]

Too bad Alex is deceased

[@Bettybop49]

By now i say guity, she knew what happen most likely by her direction along with that nut chad.

[@bunnie12345]

What they did to these kids ….omg ….and chad’s kids live in that house and look at the yard . omg . all that tape .

[@morenita4u750]

😱 🤯

[@Hippieskippie]

Rhonda Barr 4 president

[@kellijanssen1171]

I personally think Judge Boyce is ridiculous and just doesn’t want everyone to see his incompetence.

[@RachelXKnight666]

Seriously?

[@SerenDipity64711]

what makes you say that? I think he is completely fair and listens very carefully to what is being said by all parties. He responds accordingly, is gracious and professional.

[@RachelXKnight666]

@@SerenDipity64711 I agree. This is the first negative comment I’ve seen about the judge during the trial

[@dawnhasbroken6304]

Sounds personal, do tell.

[@petapumpkineater7185]

Me too. It made me mad when he made the prosecutors alter the autopsy photos.

[@SerenDipity64711]

So there is no DNA from Alex Cox, available for comparison?? Sorry, I jumped ahead. They have got his DNA sample.

[@Heather66680]

I hope this jury is not blind and sees that Chad and Lori planned for Alex Cox to go down for the murder they probably planned for him to die too bad he was cremated huh everything is always just a fucking coincidence and this case and in this case nothing is a coincidence. I hope they see that I hope they both go down them poor kids that poor lady dead because Lori couldn't keep her paws off her husband that's so sad.

[@Bluebel25blue]

Erm, I don't think anyone can be blind to what these evil ppl did to these dear children. Lori was the master mind behind it all - and all three are guilty of the murders.

[@VANESSIES]

I need your email I found this weird article looking up the name Daybell likely youve seen it where can I find your email

[@mandiinatoli2422]

Finding Lori's hair in the tape from the plastc wrapped around J.J surely has been the nail in her ⚰️.. She looks so old n haggard in court i heard and its zero Botox fillers since her incarnation that makes her look completely different- nearly witch 🧹like?! I enjoy true crime and although these crimes are shocking its so intriguing as to why how and who these people are committing these crimes. I think it was the Chris Watts case that hooked me, feeling sorry but knowing something was 'off' when he'd called the news to film his plee for his wife and daughters to come home then watching his downhill spiral from devoted husband and father to suspect, murderer the trial, conviction and everything in-between. Im in Adelaide South Australia so been enjoying Nate's rundown of events and postings of those witnesses up on the stand. The other one im watching is Letecia Stauch and the murder of her 11yr old stepson Gannon.. crap live feed tho with split screen.. so not fair they dont show Lori's face while she's in court - i was looking forward to that the most seeing how she smirks and acts so disassociated with what shes done and how twisted her beliefs snd reasons are for all these people including her kids being killed are😮