Easy way to get the right saddle height.

[@hoppy1970]

I drew on my mum's wall and she smacked me.

[@TheJaymzizzle]

Same!!! Your mom smacks hard!!

[@francismonthe6724]

😂 poor baby. Are you okay?😂😂😂😂

[@richardrykard3246]

😅

[@jorgecarrillo3550]

😂😂😂

[@suievans4405]

❤😂😅

[@brianbrowne206]

I've tried it and the book measurement is about an inch higher when it's cold ?

[@diq5386]

This got me 🤣😂🤣😂

[@Qasha13]

That is world problem

[@GriffinesDerrick]

I c u😂

[@ful48j]

Only an inch?

[@pottyputter05]

Fantastic 😅

[@krissk77]

Depends... bikes have different constructions...... ...crank length will also matter..

[@ericpmoss]

True, but it's a very good starting point assuming one doesn't have a crazy crank length (like 180mm for a tiny dancer or 160mm for a basketball star).

[@HereizzJohnny]

Thank you. You actually made it sound so fun. God bless

[@luigimitsu]

The pedal back test is the best. For anyone who doesn't know, as long as you can BARELY pedal backwards with your heel on the pedal, then it's perfect. You move your foot back again and you can pedal perfectly. Put your hand on the wall to pedal back while sitting on the bike.

[@davomccranko]

@@luigimitsu agreed

[@brewmaster97]

In shoes or without?

[@luigimitsu]

@@brewmaster97 With shoes.

[@Richie-C]

Agreed

[@Oldnose63]

That’s how I learned it 50 years ago.

[@LipazMusic]

Nope… respectfully telling you that my crotch is at 81cm, the suggested height with 172.5 crank is about 71-72cm. But I have ISM seat, slightly longer lower part of leg, and longer torso (though still within average), and also the saddle is sinking 8mm under 80kgs weight. These calculations bring you in the ballpark, but you shall test and adjust until you feel comfy and power driven adequately to road. My seat is about 2-3cm higher than this suggested measurement, when I feel comfortable with proper reach to handlebar, balanced weight on ass and arms, and proper knee movement and degree when pedalling, without extra effort. Test ride until you feel and look OK on the bike.

[@Oldnose63]

Also measure the distance saddle-steer. Should be elbow length apart.

[@LipazMusic]

@@Oldnose63 Sure it was measured, as suggested by torso and arm length and ISM specs in manual (slightly further back due to short nose of seat, compared to regular ones), and it fit almost, but I think I’m more relaxed if I sit closer, so moved it forward about halfway of normal seat and suggested length. It’s about 2-3cm shorter now and I’m cool with it. It’s good to know your bike, its elements and your physics, but try it at the end. Take a shorter or longer ride and take your hex set with you. Many times I stopped and tried minor adjustments.

[@Long_Machine]

I don't ride with a saddle, keeps me honest.

[@yealloww]

Genius!

[@birdiessimracing]

No saddle just the post😂

[@DiogenesNephew]

Keeps you coming back for more

[@stubbbbbs]

Dropped my food en route to my mouth 😂😂

[@ClosetWorkshop]

love it. Be one with the bike!

[@occidentalexplorer1125]

A lot of experts in the comments per usual. The method being used in the video is called The Hügi Method named after Wilfried Hügi. Which is slightly similar the Lemond method. This is a ball park measurement.

[@philwyeth]

You're right, it's ball park measurement and a good way to measure by yourself too. I think the only criticism would be that the 'Correct' saddle height.

[@christopheroliver148]

I tend to call this Hügi/Guimard after Hinault and Lemond's coach/DS. It's basically how I set my customs up though the builder suggested raised my saddle 3mm; that and KOPS is basically where I'm at, but I have pretty average proportions aside from being a bit of a twig if I'm in decent shape. I tend to go with the 109% rule, and that works with my 172.5mm cranks. Also old school h'bars with the tops about 6.5cm below the seat. Maybe this is bogus by modern fit methods, but it's comfy and quick for me.

[@mtoronyi]

Sounds like your the expert

[@hunteracc4]

Woah, its the expert of all experts chiming in, but you're wrong. Achtually, this is called the Hike a Book Against Your Gonads Method.

[@abark]

@@philwyeth You can get just as much of a ballpark by raising the saddle until it's next to your hip bone. And you don't even need to mark up a wall or get a book covered in crotch smell.

[@ddahstan6876]

No one size fits all, folks! Simplest, sit on the bike with your riding shoes, then pedal (backward) with your HEELS. When your legs are straight at the 12 and 6 clock positions, you're in the ball park, good starting point!! This means, if you see bent legs at the knees, increase saddle height, and if legs are HYPER extended, decrease the height. Then fine tuning to your max comfort level, riding normally with the balls of your feet, increasing or decreasing slightly (3-5mm) where you feel most comfortable!!!

[@ALLMEM616]

Here's an easier method: Lean your bike against a wall and sit on it. Put your pedals at 6 o'clock and put your heal on said pedal If your legs are bent then increase the height if you can't reach it then decrease the height and if it's straight then you're good . After finding out the right height tighten the seat. And pedal with the balls of your feet. Enjoy your ride! :)

[@maverick1685]

Hint: tape a sheet of paper to the wall 1st so you don't mark up your wall.

[@luigimitsu]

Even better, just use a piece of tape AS the mark lol

[@andrewstevenson6540]

You should really use six inch nails to secure the sheet to the wall if you want an accurate measurement 😊

[@velander_dd]

Or just use a pencil. It erases.

[@dperreno]

There is no one way to calculate saddle height. But, this is good way to find a starting point. Be sure to adjust up or down to fine-tune for your particular setup.

[@cyclemiguel]

There are plenty of factors to consider when doing saddle height and the list is long. It will all come down to repeated adjustments. Once set Record all measurements and from there every bike fitting is easier.

[@norsangkelsang7939]

good luck... Put the heals on the bottom of the pedal with the cycling shoes on... pedal backwards as you hold the wall. The leg should extended so that there is no reaching as you pedal. and should not be bent. The hip should be stable. This will get no in the ball park. it has been used for 50 years - at least.

[@iggysixx]

Dope. I've been wondering about this Thanks so much :) (also for the creative 'Do It Solo' solution)

[@carvi1129]

just use the heel method, no calculator needed, and the result would be very close to optimal saddle height.

[@Terra-Incognlta]

What's a heel method?

[@黄辰旭]

​using the heel to move the pedal to the lowest position. Then moving the saddle 5-10 mm lower.

[@CB19087]

I did the heel method first. Then did this method. They were within a few millimetres of each other 👌

[@PARMINDER_SINGH7]

​@@黄辰旭 some say keep pedal at 5'O clock ( opposite pedal aligned with Seat post rod of frame)

[@phosphore7991]

@@CB19087 The measure method is not accurate depending on how youre press the book + feet positionning, heel method is better.

[@michaelw2288]

You also have to factor in your crank length.

[@TheMuser]

That's the multiply by 0.885 I guess

[@ev-ezaye3580]

​@@TheMuserhighly doubt...

[@jimtheudb]

Or, sit on the saddle and put your heel on the pedal, if your leg's straight, the saddle is the right height. If not, adjust the height so it is.

[@sudarshanrampersad6337]

with or without the shoes on?

[@jimtheudb]

@@sudarshanrampersad6337 I'd do it with shoes as you cycle in these.

[@NoFretBrettCSSMBFF]

Adjust (up or) Down from there for Comfort, especially for or during LONGer Rides... *Exactness of the measurement is not nearly as important as the comfort and longevity of your Hips Knees Back Neck...*

[@atan0725]

That is absolutely correct!

[@saulgoodman5362]

Kind of. None of these "one size fits all" solutions work. However, what you said is the start of a fairly accurate way of setting saddle height. Start by pedaling on the heel, then ride for a bit at that height. Then raise your saddle 3-5mm until you start feeling like you're not in the same control of your pedal stroke. Then lower it back so you are.

[@ebereokpom4434]

Thank you for this

[@GMac2776]

If you don't want to draw on the wall, just use a bit of insulation tape. You can cut a piece of kep it in your hand and rather than draw on the wall just stick the tape on.

[@FrankJohnson-r3e]

I still say that's only a close guestimation. Start with that measurement, ride and fine tune from there. 😊

[@ericgelders]

IMHO she means the center of the crank spindle, not the middle of the crank arm - at least, that's where she starts measuring down below 🤷‍♀️

[@rawdonwaller]

Of course, the one bonus of this method is that you don't need to mess around as much with mounting/dismounting when you're riding a friend's spare bike. You get a rough saddle height and then hop on just the once and roll away

[@Larry93215]

My body tells me when my seat height is correct

[@akatgif]

exactly 💯

[@WattWireNet]

Me too, but we have lots of experience. Something like this might be good for beginners.

[@sooodesuneee]

my wrist started hurting a bit does this mean I need to mess w the seat more? D:

[@markymarknj]

@@WattWireNet if nothing else, this will get someone in the ballpark, though some minor adjustment may still be necessary to dial in the saddle height precisely.

[@bharatiK]

But But... what i have noticed is. saddle height changes with shoes you choose to wear. (the non cycling shoes with flat pedals). Different shoes have different types of sole height and sole shape. Thats why even though i use a flat pedal, I have a dedicated runnning shoes for cycling and running. (puma hybrid feugo)

[@cefnonn]

It's worth getting this measurement right - a saddle which is too high can give you calf muscle strain. In severe cases calf muscle strain can be a problem for years. Older cyclists beware!

[@alice_truong]

Is this only works on inches or centimeters as well?

[@zeppelin2900]

Looks like she measured in centimetres or millimetres and in inches. lol .

[@alice_truong]

@@zeppelin2900 cool thanks

[@alice_truong]

@@GNMi79 ok thanku

[@markymarknj]

I was always told that you want your saddle high enough so, when your feet are at BDC, that your knees are barely bent. That's what's worked for me, so that's what I still do. Plus, it accounts for crank arm length.

[@rjperez1554]

This video was great. I bought an e bike a few months ago. Thank you.

[@houssambouhou7846]

You don't need all these mathematics, just put your heel on the pedal and move it to the lowest point possible, your leg should be almost stretched all the way, if you're finding yourself leaning to get your heel on the pedal your saddle is too high, if you find your leg bent then your saddle is too low, change saddle height until you're at the point where your leg is almost totally stretched granted that your heel is on the pedal and pedal is at the lowest point possible. As simple as that.

[@SeanMcCarthy-u8s]

@@houssambouhou7846 with bike shoes on?

[@mj-cd9lk]

Genius 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 thank you

[@twatts4436]

This might get a ballpark, but wouldn't account for crank length, ankle flexion, or saddle setback.

[@markymarknj]

EXACTLY! I always set my saddles so that my knees are barely bent when my feet are at BDC in the pedal stroke. That's always worked well for me, so that's what I still do.

[@Sultanalmuntasir]

Have you calculated crank length? No. How about heel drop?

[@bhuvee1969]

Just wow..😊..thanks for sharing...very helpful info

[@redfive9273]

This is brilliant thank you

[@fiddleronthebike]

That gives you a starting point for finding your optimal saddle hight - but it DOESN’T give you „the correct saddle height“

[@JonLeonardF10]

Sweet! This is money saving tips 😅

[@treenahally4358]

Can you use the same formula for mountain bikes?

[@benm8662]

Interesting - tested this and it matches my intuitive saddle height within half a centimeter

[@effyleven]

Beautifully done! This is a model of "How to make a short instructional film." Thank you.

[@unogazzy84]

The number I got was 76,11 cm but my saddle is 80 cm. My knee would be over parallel if I adjust it. the knee should not be over parallel at the top of the stroke.

[@AdventuruosRides]

Great method 😊

[@PrivateEyeYiYi]

Just ride the bike, if wrong height then adjust, repeat, else stop.

[@beau2047]

Boom

[@michaelslifecycle]

Wrote that comment like code 😂

[@ajabilo8422]

​@@michaelslifecycle if else statement. works everytime.

[@marcdaniels9079]

How do you know it’s “wrong”. Define wrong. Fundamentally flawed statement. Boom

[@PrivateEyeYiYi]

@@marcdaniels9079 i If it feels wrong, adjust til it feels right. Baboom.

[@taber247]

But what effect does different length cranks have? Please advise.

[@lolczyslaf]

longer cranks makes your foot distance from saddle longer, shorter cranks make it shorter. So chaning from shorter to longer cranks you would have to lower the saddle for the difference of lenght between them. Here she only mesured from centre of support so diregarding addotional 1-2 cm based on the crank lenght. Also type of cleats used make difference, e.g. speed play make you "sit" few milimiters higher than standard ones.

[@ojbeez5260]

The middle of a circle is always the middleif you increase the size of a circle that does not change. LOL!

[@cavemanindustries5102]

I will have to try this and see if it matches what I've gotten through trial and error. Thank you for making this video!

[@wiggle]

Let us know - it’s usually a real decent starting point 🤟

[@Ghøst_cod7720]

So does it worked?

[@MultiTHEJOKER]

@@wiggle what should I do if my feet don’t touch the ground after the right measurements and that is the smallest bike available 😅

[@automotive474]

​@@MultiTHEJOKERno jokes, hear me out, this will blow your mind... Let the bike lean to the side until your foot touches the ground. Ta da.

[@MultiTHEJOKER]

@@automotive474 🤣🤣🤣🤣 maybe I should try it this is my first bike in years

[@Heroworkers]

Thanks! Will do it and see

[@drakeforte5]

Is the distance between the two heels against the wall important? Or should the distance between the pedals be the same?

[@yonglingng5640]

Just slightly apart from touching each other will do.

[@stevezodiac491]

Next lesson - How to remove unsightly pencil lines off walls.

[@suievans4405]

😂😅❤

[@blackmarket.]

@@canben69979 LOVL

[@marcusmartin5758]

you can use rubber

[@Hampurilias]

@@marcusmartin5758 Not only applicable in sex ed

[@mrmrlee]

Forget the calculation, just measure from the seat to the lowest point in your pedal's revolution and that's it, match it to your inseam and you're set!

[@cowgirl9014]

Thanks, I did the measurement and texted the results to my boyfriend. He wants to get me back into riding and is restoring my mountain bike after having it sit in the garage for 30 years. It’s been so long im basically going to have to relearn how to ride again

[@rawdonwaller]

Very useful video. Just one observation: isn't that the bottom bracket - hence, the 'base' of the crank arm - instead of the "middle of the crank arm"?

[@dernawey]

So well explained,super.

[@funnyanimalworld7579]

Calculate corect height . Put your heel on lowest positioned pedal ,adjust seat , have a nice ride.

[@pikemaster1972]

Will it work for children

[@Plantsman78]

I watched a few bike fit videos and found out how bad the set up I'd been using for a few decades was and tweeked a few things to get things right. Went for a few rides with it like that and managed to irritate my sit bones. Many months later, I can finally ride more than one day every couple of weeks. All my bikes have gone back to the original set up. If I did what she is suggesting i would wobble all over the seat or I'd have to change every crankset on the bikes I regularly ride.

[@FACE-PROFILERZ]

No matter how we master the right bike seat sizing...we're still imprisoned and stuck in bondage of Egyptian double pyramids frame bike. UCI's mandate bikes leads you to permanent injuries: • Wrist CTS syndrome • Shoulder weight pain • Neck pain • Camel-like spinal cord • Lowerback pain • Cozzyx or seatbone pain • Testicular/Prostate or Vaginal issues

[@Angus.MacGyver]

What bike frame geometry is more ergonomic and strain-free?

[@FACE-PROFILERZ]

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[@narakdk]

what if the pedal arm is longer or shorter.. why not get a measurement from sadle to the actual pedal in use?

[@livetubing]

From the top of the pedal to the top of the seat is the only accurate way of measuring! 👍

[@muttley5958]

Well done great advice. 🎯 😃 🇬🇧

[@AllanDee]

Would I be correct in saying this is a good method for getting a good starting point for your seat height from which you can fine tune/adjust to your liking?

[@k.r.lionheart6460]

Sitting on the saddle with shoes on the hill resting on the peddle your leg should be straight this is the correct way for saddle height hope this helps

[@ojbeez5260]

I'd really like to be her favourite cycling book.

[@techjunkie68smusicandtech56]

what about being her favourite bike instead?

[@I3yarn]

Or, you can sit on the bike and make it so one leg is up and the other leg is on your peddle at its lowest point, if your leg is straight that’s your proper height and if it’s bent then you need to adjust it to be higher. It won’t give you your seat hight measurement alexactly but it gets it where I needs

[@automotive474]

Does it have to be cycling socks? Also, I don't have any cycling books, can I use a triathlon book instead?

[@tonyg3091]

Of course not, don't be silly, use a Tri book and get banished from the road brotherhood forever.

[@automotive474]

@@tonyg3091 I'm sorry 😰

[@YASIRAFRAHIM]

Thanks may u live longer I bought gear cycle

[@PK74681]

Thanks, you are a darling. I am doing it now❤

[@mucmani]

title would be more apropriate with "video with a bike" it just also depends on the crank arm length, the shoes, the length ratio of your upper and lower length

[@simoF6]

That’s why she is measuring from the middle of chain ring. Crank arm size is irrelevant with this method

[@bjornlangoren3002]

@@simoF6 that is patently wrong. In any case, this method does not give the correct saddle height, only a good place to start.

[@simoF6]

@@bjornlangoren3002 I know it’s just a base. I was referring to why crank length doesn’t matter with this measurement….

[@DarouiAbdelmajid]

Does this process apply to mountain bikes?

[@rfwillett2424]

Better to use a goniometer and look for a 27 degree angle at the knee. It will give you a pretty good fit, best of all it won't be to high. Best to get a good bike fitter.

[@scotth3354]

what angle should the ankle and hip be at when we look for the 27deg knee angle?

[@adamsims3116]

Do I take my sack into consideration or all the way up to my taiint.

[@Lego4KilIer]

Yeah the multiplier difference for the different kinds of bikes

[@paulmanias8269]

What if you have different crank arm lengths?

[@stephenbarradell4043]

Like different on each side?

[@paulmanias8269]

@stephenbarradell4043 Ha! No. This method doesn't account if you use the same frame but use a pair of 170mm cranks or if you change to a pair of 175mm cranks.

[@hollow34]

​@@paulmanias8269sure it does, is for standard crack length whatever that is. If yours is different plus or minus cms

[@mr.sinister1279]

I wish I was a book 😔 however this is the fastest and best straight to the point video on how to adjust the height.. other videos dance around b4 they get to the point and make it an 8min video

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

The 1.09% method worked for me. Inseam x 1.09 then set that from the top of the saddle to the top of the pedal .

[@antoniopilipovic2788]

This 109 must be at least 5,6 cm too high

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

@@antoniopilipovic2788 Well originally I set mine from guessing and the 1.09% method said I need to raise it by a few mm , so it worked for me .

[@anthonyduncalf-uk]

The 109% method takes into account the length of the pedal arm too.

[@samuelmurphy6863]

Thank god. Wiggle is back 🎉 my favourite bike shop

[@ev-ezaye3580]

Are they back? Because is an old video...

[@samuelmurphy6863]

@ev-ezaye3580 yep they are

[@sachavez100]

OK, I did the measurement and according to this, I'm about 1.25 inches too high with my current set up.

[@johnrobertd748]

She's using millimeters, not inches

[@gregorysucher6987]

Must of been a cold day

[@saulgoodman5362]

@@johnrobertd748 That doesn't really matter. If you're using inches or millimeters the process is the same.

[@FeralDucky]

I literally can't even get ON my bike using this method, the saddle is up to my ribcage!

[@brandonknight1260]

The 5 thousandths really matter quite a bit in the calculation!

[@johnbelwell2461]

This short appeared to me like a gift when i needed it, it's easier than any other method i know, but the problem for me is that i get 75.2cm and first of all the saddle on the bike i'm interested to set doesn't go that high, second is on the maximum height i can't reach the floor without hopping off the saddle or leaning significantly on the side so this makes me feel insecure. I guess i'll keep hurting my knees till i get used to it.

[@rfwillett2424]

Better to use a goniometer and look for a 27 degree angle at the knee. It will give you a pretty good fit, best of all it won't be to high. Best to get a good bike fitter.

[@positiveagression6210]

Oh, how I envy that lucky book!

[@worldeater1513]

Nice bike!

[@GEORGE-wy6oj]

I love her voice.

[@DIASDEMUSICA]

That´s not a ""correct"" saddle height by any means!! just a rough approximation to be in the ballpark

[@sxswutah-ww6dr]

I was distracted by the book

[@Angus.MacGyver]

This vid doesn't explain where or how the 0.885 multiplier was obtained. Why that figure, not 0.886 or 0.884?

[@alexandrgromov8382]

How about simply adjusting until you feel comfortable?

[@66jams]

This might be a good place to start, but its not the "correct" way to measure. The crank length changes are essential to include. Furthermore, saddle height is more complicated than a static formula and requires the experience of a bike fitter to watch watch your body systems for "correct" height.

[@johnrobertd748]

What is the correct way? This is the only way I know

[@nielsvandeven8486]

Also for mtb or just road bike?

[@tunccan65]

There is very simple another way of calcuating seat height by getting on a race bike and foot sole must completely touch the ground otherwise adjust or the chasi sizd must be smaller or bigger (48-63) chasi sizes

[@jbaccanalia]

Or put your heals on the pedals and spun backwards. You'll know what's right.

[@Prasutagucaster]

Wow this is just like the perfect golf swing, every pro has a different theory technique or method of explaining. For something so simple when looking at a few videos on this it’s become so complex and confusing.

[@123moof]

Ignores crank length, pedal/shoe stack height, and fails to point out where on the seat to measure against. There are far better methods out there.

[@keir108]

Yeah I always thought that you measured from the pedal at it lowest point to the top of the seat and then set it so it's an inch shorter than the inseem of your trousers so if you've got a 32 inch inside leg you set your seat it's 31 inches from the lowest point the pedal reaches! But I might be completely wrong as I usally ride a bmx and the seat on one of those is never much higher than 2 foot off the ground

[@Skizm_admin]

You need to counter in the crank lengths to do this measurement more accurately.

[@geoleo2597]

There really isn’t a definitive metric for saddle height. This height is more function of riding posture, comfortable leg extension considering muscle flexibility and any joint limitations, and saddle angle which affects hip angle. But your method can be a good starting point to adjust from there

[@gusttavocardoso108]

Is that valid for MTB, too? Nice tip :)

[@michaelbonade4667]

Bring wrench….Hop on, ride…adjust as needed

[@markymarknj]

YES! I always adjust my seat height so that my knees are barely bent when my feet are BDC in the pedal stroke.

[@souhilnahoui3748]

I love your bike ❤

[@CrikeyDrake]

this is not needed just adjust it to ur hip, then see if you can still touch the floor slightly with your toes if you cant or too much of your feet are touching the floor adjust to your preference

[@nathanbarnes9955]

This work for mtb?

[@WaltJubal]

The system that's worked for years, and is still the best method.... The Eddy B Method.