Echo CS-590 Timber Wolf Review After 2 Years #25

[@PHS1990J]

Great review! I have the same saw. Like you said. When you first start using the saw you are a bit surprised by the power. I went and purchased chaps and a helmet. Makes you feel a little safer.

[@jeffthomas1063]

I've been using a chainsaw for over 50 years and for the first time I thought maybe I should get some safety gear. What a nice powerful saw. Seems to cut 4 times faster than the 490.

[@dentondunn4346]

@@jeffthomas1063 You mean a Sthil 490? Or echo 490? I'm not aware of saws that much and was just curious. I recently bought the CS590 myself

[@jeffthomas1063]

@@dentondunn4346 Echo 490, I have 2 490's and a 590. Keep the air filter clean...:)

[@dentondunn4346]

@@jeffthomas1063 Someone told me to put an o-ring around the air the air filter to keep stuff out. You ever heard of anyone doing that

[@jeffthomas1063]

@@dentondunn4346 I have not, but if it works. Without looking at it, seems I recall there is a very nice factory seal from carb to filter.

[@reubenbeaver6530]

Been running stihl's most of the time from MS-390 to MS-461, Purchased a Echo CS-590 and I was astonished by its performance and durability, I love it!

[@zeromark202]

Carburetors will have to be retuned every so often, either temperature or fuel changes, after break-in, and vibration. Now for the bar tear drop oil hole that’s not just Echo, the B&C on those are actually Oregon and seen that design on many other makes and brands heard it was for pressure. I drill any bar to a circular hole with a #30 bit with the angled oil port now. CS590 Echo Timberwolf is best bang for your buck! Last non-stratocharged/clamshell/electronic saw with a magnesium case and bolt-on cylinder made today along with some other models of Echo’s. No other brand has kept the ease to work on classic durable design.

[@inventanew]

great comment, do you have a video explaining how you drilled the bar?

[@IndianaDoug]

I’ve had one since 2013, still runs perfect👍🏻 best bang for your buck! I use all pro saws except for the 590, I love these things!

[@ericsmith-sx8xi]

Just bought the same saw at a pawn shop. Only 2 months old with original invoice. Paid 300.00 so I get the warranty. I put the end of this video on Bluetooth speaker repeat. Wife thinks I'm working. Great video

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Lol thanks for watching!

[@richardpainter1737]

Echo is the best saw on the market I cut for a living I buy only echo just bought a 490 great saw

[@chaseaspen8904]

I also work in the tree industry and will be buying the cs 490 in the nect month for side work. How does it compare to the Cs 590? I was also looking at the Cs 400 maybe just to save a fw bucks so do you have any insight on these saws since you only buy echo? Thanks

[@zackmorris9118]

I love the cs370, cs590, and the cs2511T echo is the way to go.

[@RhosefRho]

I love my echo 590. However, (and I can’t seem to find a common pattern as to why it happens) if it doesn’t fire up right away it is a major pain to try and get started. It’s happened to me a couple time. I’d honestly prefer a primer bottom but I don’t know if it somehow drains its own fuel from the engine or what. But other than that if it starts it works without a tick and has done a lot of large cutting jobs for me.

[@HuckThis1971]

@@RhosefRho only run high octane in your small machines. Low octane has ethanol and wreaks havoc. If heat soaked, pull out choke and push back in. It will engage high idle.

[@RhosefRho]

@@HuckThis1971 ah, never thought to purposely engage high idle. Not to mention I didn’t know how lol. I believe the first time it had starting issues I was using the echo brand of pre mixed fuel which I believe is 93 octane and the second time if I remember right it was husqvarnas 95 octane mix. Other than those two times so far it starts right up. 2-3 pull with choke out and 1-3 pulls with the choke off and it gets right to work.

[@LexCinnabon]

I also bought mine a few years ago and love it. First chainsaw. Cuts through all sorts of wood for hours.

[@nickrobert8095]

Just bought one brand new today, glad to hear it!

[@andywilliamsflorida]

I love this chainsaw. Have had mine 3 years. My only problem was a diaphragm went bad. I now keep a spare one on hand. The saw still ran, just ran very poorly. I was delighted to find it was such a minor issue.

[@DriftlessCatholic]

Just bought one. Very impressed, makes my 40cc Poulan feel like a toy.

[@rickytipton6839]

Dude my wife just bought me one for my birthday today. I am also using a poulan I can't wait to try this thing out

[@jaybeauvais4311]

It might be me, but I have already replaced the bar and have gone through several chains. The chains seem to stretch to the point where you cannot adjust them out anymore. This could be the way I use it. For the cutting straight down I let the saw do the work.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

That seems odd, I have no problems with chain stretch are you sure your using the correct chain size, pitch link count etc?

[@VesselFitterguy]

Yeah I got the 42cc poulan pro which out does my buddy's Husqvarna not sure what cc it is. Mild poulan pro is at least 5 years old. I bought it for $60 on marketplace adjusted the carburetor and it does better than comparable chainsaws in size. But I'm about to pick up this new echo which I've heard great things about. And I'm not trying to say that the pollen pro is a badass all I'm just saying for the money you pay for that day it's pretty impressive. I clear a lot as a part-time job and it does compare to other saws of equal size.

[@HuckThis1971]

@@VesselFitterguy poulan is part of husky. Father in law gave me an older farm hand with 46cc. It says 50 hour lifetime. Been using it for for way more. Trick is to let engine warm up before you pin the throttle. Also letting it idle for 15 seconds or so before shutting off.

[@smallchunkaground2071]

Great review, I own a few echo saws and other echo equipment. I can honestly say they'll run right with my stihl saws. Echo has come a long way and I'll continue to buy their products.

[@ArchetypeofMan]

I have this exact saw and have been thoroughly impressed. I do clearing and grading for a living, and the CS 590 Timber Wolf is the saw I trust for my home needs. It's a great "do-all" saw. A little heavy for small stuff, but very capable, and I think for most folks, if you're just wanting to own one saw, this is a great candidate. Great video, man. Subbed.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I agree I think it’s one of the best all around saws out there.

[@MegaLostOne]

I have noticed on two new 590's that the factory has the Low jet set really rich, which is fine for break in and letting the rings seat but later you want to adjust that, this is also what is causing the saw to load up during idle and making it want to die from flooding, mind you this is at 9K in elevation and wouldn't be as big of an issue at lower elevations. The way they made this saw it has a bypass in the low jet so even if you lean the saw out on the top end it wants to run rich. I changed out the low jet to one that stops that from happening but then you have to treat it like any other saw and make sure you aren't running it too lean. Also both saws when new where running close to 1K below max rpm, once the rings have seated, a mild muffler mod and using a tach lean that top end out some and it becomes a different saw. I changed the bar out to a Sugi to save weight and went to a rim/drum setup (call Oregon chainsaw parts for the proper one) and it saves you money over buying the Echo version that is on the 600/620, but a different bar isn't really needed on this saw unless it's just a personal thing. As far as the oiler goes I haven't had any issue's with it. The weight thing that a lot of people talk about is not so much the actual weight in my opinion, to me it's more of where the weight is balanced in the saw. My Stihl (036) seems to have the weight lower so when working the saws on their side the Echo seems to want to twist more in my hands, but my Husky (372) feels like it does the same as the Echo. For the money the 590 is a fantastic saw and when tuned right will give my 036 a run for the money, actually better than a run for it's money since it costs half the price of the Stihl. Run 89 to 91 octane, ethanol free gas with a quality AIR COOLED two stroke oil. I would say the 590 is closer to the Husky 460 than the 455 just looking at the specs, I have run the 455 next to the 590 but I cannot give a fair comparison since the owner of the 455 hadn't taken care of the saw and the chain/bar was beyond salvaging which gave the 590 an extremely unfair advantage, plus the 455 had never been tuned since the day it was bought.

[@VicsYard]

Lost One Great comment.

[@TheFoMoCo1903]

These are really good units. I dropped mine in the water and hydra locked it. Pulled out the plug and pulled it over, installed plug and still running to this day.

[@johnmills3163]

I love Echo ... Great Value, and they START every time. I'Ve never worn out an arm starting Echo products.

[@markw2266]

I agree however, I found that they flood easily so it's always easier to go light on the choke.

[@Freetheworldnow]

I have to corroborate this. My Sthil MS271 is so hard to pull, while my little Echo from Home Depot is super easy. Great brand for sure.

[@brianproffitt7263]

Got one of there top handles, little son of a gun starts one pull ever time

[@johnmills3163]

@@brianproffitt7263 you won't be sorry ! You'll have that one for awhile. There is one other 2 stroke I will not give up is a 2 stroke Toro (1 stage) snowblower with Rotax engine ! If you ever get a chance to get one, they are great !

[@johnmills3163]

@@brianproffitt7263 ... if you ever need a line trimmer buy the Echo Professional Grade SRM-225 (straight shaft trimmer). Lots of power, I've had mine for 10 years, it never disappoints.

[@justinspilinek3079]

I have a 590 TimberWolf, as does my father (he had his first). I bought mine as a "big job" saw to my Stihl 251. The Echo has actually become my favorite and my go to saw. No trouble with the oiler. My only issue was the chain tensioner screw maxes out when the chain is only half worn out. We make our own chain (full chisel Carlton) and actually make them at 69 links. Wood eating machine. My Stihl watches and pouts.

[@ThisTimeTheWorld]

Thanks for the tip.

[@yomommajumprcables]

I have a cs 590 it's a cutting machine cut 38" round pine didn't bog down one time. Great review Sir

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks!

[@dentondunn4346]

I've read some reviews about them being hard to start, do they start pretty good? I'm trying to decide between the 450 Rancher, sthil 271 farm boss or the Echo Timberwolf

[@yomommajumprcables]

I was going to buy farmboss but they talked me out of it.They said get the echo it was hard to start brand new,but it started alot easier once it ran a little. Had it a few years now starts with no problem. Hope this helps take care

[@dentondunn4346]

@@yomommajumprcables I bought a 271 Farm Boss in October but sold it because I was in a bind so now looking at the Echo CS590 Timberwolf. I actually loved the Farm Boss, it started good, and cut extremely well but was plastic clamshell. From what I've learned the Echo has magnesium casing, an extra 15cc motor and rated at 4hp where the Farm Boss was 3.49. And the Farm Boss is $449 verses $400 for the Echo and the Echo has 5yr warranty where the Farm Boss comes with 1 yr warranty and 2 yr if you purchase a 6pack of synthetic 2stroke oil so after already owning the Farm Boss I think I'm going to try my luck on the Echo CS590 Timberwolf. I'm excited to get one and see how I like it. I have heard about some issues of starting problems but not very many, most people say they start good so when I buy one I just hope I get a good one. If any problems arise it's always under warranty 😆 and for 5 years. They say they flood easy but they cut awful good from the videos ove watched. Thanks for your reply 👍

[@dentondunn4346]

@@yomommajumprcables I bought the Echo CS590 Timberwolf and absolutely love it. Blows my old farm boss away and starts on 2nd pull from a cold start

[@AllenReinecke]

Had mine for a couple years also. Agree with everything you said except my oiler works fine and the decompression valve does reduce pull effort noticeably. Never had to adjust it. Recently, a storm dropped a large Maple across my drive. I always run the saw dry after use. In my rush, I filled it from the wrong gas can - pure gas! I cut the trunk into pieces and de-limbed it and cut those limbs up. The engine stopped on me on one cut. Why? I wondered. Started her up and continued. It stopped once more after a few more cuts. Then I realized why!! I drained and added the correct gas mix and she ran fine. I finished the tree. Next day, I removed the carb and plug and used a borescope that attaches to my cellphone to see inside. I couldn't get the muffler off to look at the rings, but the bore was scored and the piston showed some scuffed patches. There was still good compression and performance is the same as before. I'll spend the couple hundred bucks on a cylinder and piston kit when the saw stops working. Otherwise, it's running just like before. Great chainsaw! I love it.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Awesome! I think it’s a good durable saw. I actually ran over mine with the tractor and I still use it. It did break one side of the chain break but it still functions fine

[@aldredske6197]

If your oiler is plugging up. Check and see if the sprocket is on backwards. If it's a rim sprocket, the holes on it need to be facing the outside. If they are facing the inside the sawdust can't get out and is carried forward and deposited in the oil hole.

[@ThisTimeTheWorld]

Interesting. I didn't know they had a specific orientation .

[@WilliamsonRidge]

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[@hphillips7425]

I agree with most of your comments. The decompression value is not as efficient as some of the ones I experienced on motorcycles and old 3/ wheelers. The gas cap takes close attention to not cross thread and feels like it is gaulded while tightening. I put a thin layer of grease to help that. Removing the carb limiters and a muffler mod woke the saw up. My CS330t has been a good saw also. good luck and have a good one

[@somethinburnin]

The CS590 Timberwolf is the old CS600P 60cc Pro series saw with some cheaper furniture on the outside. Plastic clutch cover, handles, some other stuff. The CS600P was replaced with the 620P, which internally is a whole new animal. 620p can pull a 27" bar STOCK!!

[@richyoung2393]

I have used and own both echo and stehl all my life. Echo dos need some breakin time right out of the box. But it's worth it. I can out cut a stehl with any of my echoes. Echo is my go to saw.

[@Living-The-Dream]

Good review! I run an MS 260 and an MS 362. Very happy with both....but I have always wondered about the Echo line and have read that many people seem very happy with them. It looks like it serves you well and runs well.....thanks for the review 👍🤠

[@oby-1607]

My nephew just got this very saw and we have used it to cut a few loads of firewood and I find it is very similar to my Stihl 290 for performance. I have had the Stihl for years and it never fails me but I did recommend the Echo to him because of so many people having good results with Echo. The nephew is very happy with his purchase. We only use premium gas with Stihl oil mix and have had good results with that. Have never used the canned fuel. Seems like it is a money grab.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

There’s a channel called chickanic kzbin.info you should watch her videos on canned fuel, I probably won’t use canned ever again after watching her videos.

[@AmericanClass1776]

Good review have same saw , i got you on the steil review ,my brother in law has one works great but when he ran out of gas and used mine he was in awe and said i'm switching to an echo ,that saw is way better, and just a cutting tip stab the logs with the base claw and cuts even better

[@JohnDoeEagle1]

I have a Stihl MS-391 with a 20" bar and a Echo CS-490 with a 16" bar. I love both of those saws and run them hard. I've had them for about 3 years now. This summer I want to buy a Echo CS-590 Timber Wolf with a 18" bar and a Husqvarna 435E X-Torq with a 16'' bar "just because". Not only do I use my saws at home for clearing and cleaning up storm damage and cutting campfire wood, but my assistant and I in the maintenance department at work use them to cut up wood skids and large wooden crates. It's nice to have extras and backups on hand. If you dull the chain on one and don't have the time or feel like sharpening or replacing it you simply pick up another saw. If you have one that wants to be a SOB that particular day and not want to start or run right you pick up another saw. If you have mechanical problems with one and need parts or repairs you pick up another saw. If more than one person wants to help you have extra saws to use. On a hot 100+ degree summer day and you have been running them hard and hot, you set that one down to cool off and pick up another saw. I think you get the idea why I would need or want 2-4 chainsaws. I have owned and used Poulans in the past and won't buy another. They are cheap big box store junk with a predetermined 50 hour service life. I've trashed two of them so far and decided to start buying better quality machines after that.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Nice, you can’t have to many saws lol.

[@jamesfarmer1523]

Oiler issue is common on all chainsaws

[@richardsullivan1776]

I have the same saw, its beastly. I love it thus far. I've had mine a little under a year. Its a bigger saw, but not something so big that you can't use it everyday. I have some bigger girth cherry trees like you do too. Its great quality Japanese engineering. They have a plant in Lake Zurich, Michigan. My first Echo product, I haven't had an issue with the oil hole on the bar. I clean my saws after each use too. You're looks great. You have to take care on the things you rely on. I just got in from using my Husqvarna 340. I had a 70 foot balsam fir taken down after a bad wind storm near the powerlines. I have an Husqvarna 353 I used to limb and buck the base of the tree and used my 340 to finish off the peak. The CS-590 Timberwolf is my biggest saw. Its sure going to come in handy when the snow melts some more. The Timberwolf has a winter shutter switch for cold weather use too, you can see it easily, in front on the air filter. Just something to keep in mind if you're cutting firewood or have a tree come down somewhere in 25'F or colder. Just side the shutter from side to side with you're bar tool.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Cool I didn’t know about the winter shutter I will check that out thanks for the info!

[@richardsullivan1776]

Its in the crevice between the rear handle and power head. You can't miss it, happy to help you. Enjoy your saw!

[@kevin86674]

I bought this saw last November and it is a cutting machine. I love mine but wish I could pay someone to run it.I am still trying to clean up after the storm we had here in October last year in north Florida.

[@Anthony071177]

Thank you for the very informative video bud. Locally to me, this exact same saw got posted up for sell that’s practically new and your video definitely has helped give out an honest view of the chainsaw.

[@brucealvarez9263]

Interesting comment regarding the decompression button. I just got this saw yesterday, used it the first time today. Couldn't pull the starter cord much at all without pushing in the decompression button. Push that in and it starts, pops the decompression button out. I've only cut a small amount of wood, largest was about 14" but it does the job. I was really overworking my little Stihl MS180 using it as a logging saw. It was originally purchased when I had only a small amount of small stuff to cut, not even felling trees. The teeth on the Echo chain are about 3x the size of those on the Stihl. One meant for pruning small stuff, one meant for taking down and cutting up good size trees. The only negative thing I noticed was that the chain brake lever is really stiff. I'm used to pulling on the Stihl lever with almost no effort to unlock it. Maybe this will loosen up over time. One thing I would change is the start/stop switch, I think it would be better to have stop be up. Easy to flip it up with your thumb when you want to stop the saw. Not a big thing of course and it could be I'm just used to flipping the lever up on the Stihl since stop is the top position (it is a single lever where choke is all the way down: stop, run, start, choke). Really glad to see you are still happy with it after 2 years.

[@dentondunn4346]

That's strange, to me It don't feel like it's hard to pull the cord no more than my farm boss really. I've never used the decompression button yet but always starts on 2nd pull.

[@TacticalReligion]

MY WIFE USES THIS SAW TO CUT UP TREES ON HER LOVER'S RANCH. SHE SAYS IT DOES THE JOB. I TOLD HER SAY HELLO TO BILLY FOR ME. SHE SAID BILLY SAYS HI. WHAT A PAIR

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Lol

[@michaelrickabaugh6271]

Bet that’s not the only wood she is chopping down

[@TacticalReligion]

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[@DeepOwl1073]

I bought the 24" model today. Thanks for the review, it really helped my decision.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I think you’ll be very happy with your purchase!

[@Robert8455]

Nice review. I watched at 1.5X speed. My Husky threw it's chain and it was because the oiler got plugged with chips and I did not pay attention.

[@AaronTheViking250]

Im a echo guy through an through i love them power to weight is decent fuel to oil both tanks hold plenty ability to adapt bars is a huge pro same thing with its decomp value. Atm i currently run the cs 400 series and same thing great saw but it lacks the bar size and little bit of power but otherwise weight wise great fuel to oil tanks is about the same thing as 590 pretty soild on it usage easy to do repairs on

[@sbhjackson5931]

Good video. Echo makes a 27 in bar for the CS590. I have run it only when needed on larger trees and it cuts ok. Usually run my Oregon 24 in bar but my CS590 is a pain to start, once it's running its good, but cold or hot starts are a pain.

[@300mag83]

Never have that hole plug up on mine I’ve been running it 4 years I’ve made no adjustments either. I run mine pretty hard too all hardwood. The holes I’m not using are plugged when I flip the bar but the used one is always clear. I’m glad yours is doing good though. Nice video

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I actually found some paint down in the oiler hole and dug it out and now don’t have much of a problem with it, plus I have a 24” bar without any problems.

[@navalseabee87]

24 inch bar is no issue for longevity, the 600P and 590 are the same mechanically, just different handle, clutch cover, and rim VS spur clutch. And the 600P is rated up to a 28 inch. But a 28 inch bar is stretching limit on the 590.

[@viperstrike3827]

The 620 has a 2 ring piston with harder cylinder plating and an unlimited coil, bigger carb, more power and probably several other things.

[@KSMike1]

Both saws are 59.8cc but the 620 is an entirely different engine with a longer stroke.

[@navalseabee87]

@@KSMike1 echo made a 600P for a short time, it was different than both the 590 and 620. And my comment highlights those differences between a 590 and 600, not a 620

[@bradmadisonmitchell3733]

I have a husky, Stihl and Chinese John cutter 55 cc. the husky and John cutter are very comfortable saws. the Stihl feels very awkward and weird to use. thinking about buying one of these Echo's now.

[@digdug9792]

Good review and that is for sure the choke that you pulled.

[@Hero1957]

I wish you showed the adjustment and the bar cleaning for proper oil flow.

[@HuntingFarmerOfficial]

Good review. Glad it’s doing good for you. I have a different brand but I often have to unplug my bar oiler...

[@christopherdekonstrukt444]

Using a cheap Salem Master right now, this looks like a nice upgrade. Have a huge stump I'm taking out.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah for sure Echo is one of the best out there!

[@rodmillerjr6686]

thing I liked is they come with 5 year warranty for home use. that's pretty impressive. like mine so far 1 tank of gas

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah it’s pretty awesome! I still have a couple years left on mine, not sure I’m gonna need it though it’s still running great!

[@rodmillerjr6686]

@@WilliamsonRidge that's awesome, when I was looking at them to get a husqvarna in same size would've cost me about$710, the Echo was $400. Husqvarna had 2 or 3 year warranty and Echo 5 year for around home, time will tell but love it, nice power too

[@albertkazemian603]

Thanks Buddy, for the nice review of echo cs590. I got one from home depot for $400.00 Echo is a good brand, made in Japan. Japan makes Toyota and Honda,

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Very nice saws for the money!

[@ricksanchez3176]

Good review Sir. I get kinda sick of the "hey look what I just bought, watch me unbox it and tell you how good or bad it is before I even use it." Refreshing change.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks!

[@ricksanchez3176]

I bought a CS590 yesterday, not regretting it. Thanks again. I have the same thoughts on the larger bar, the new manuals show up to a 27". Just for a few cuts I need to make. I am thinking I may go with a semi-chisel on the long bar, or maybe even a skip tooth, just to keep from bogging. I dunno, might try both.

[@jameschandler2776]

The large Echo's are shiddaiwa's. Echo bought them out. That is a good thing. The Shindaiwa was and is a great saw but people didn't like the name and wouldn't buy them. I own a 500 and a 590 now. I have owned 6 total. I have had Stihl, , Husqvarna, Jonsered, Dolmar, none of them cut as well or gave me the service that my Echo's have. AND they come with a 5 year warranty.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I don’t have much experience with others but I do like my echos I have a CS-346 also and it’s been really good too it’s about12 or 15 years old and no problems except the primer bulb about two weeks ago finally popped.

[@sixtwoishere]

James Chandler I’ve been looking between the echo and a husqvarna. Seems everybody points to the Timberwolf. Thanks for the comment, I like to hear real people with real testimonies. This comment made my mind for me

[@j.d.williams8145]

@@sixtwoishere I have the cs-590 as well. Great saw. I live in eastern NC and bought it last year after the hurricane busted the east side of our state, especially Wilmington where I live. Its been a badass from day one. I did upgrade to a 24 inch bar and it handles it with ease. Plenty of power and reliability. I haven't used it in six months and just went out and fired it up no problem. The Echo oil mix has fuel stabilizer so that helps alot for the people that don't use them on a weekly or so basis. Good luck, we got another hurricane bearing down on us so had to make sure it would fire up.

[@navalseabee87]

The 680 and 800 are echo design solely. They were designed in the 80's and 90's prior to echo buying shindaiwa

[@dentondunn4346]

How hard is it to start?

[@glassmw9823]

clearing out that bar hole for the oiler I've heard is a normal maintenance item that all saws need to have done

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yes it is, but this one had paint stopping up the hole I guess they didn’t cover or clean it out after they painted it

[@JesseLJohnson]

Yes Stihl, and Husqvarna have clamshell crank cases but that is only the cheaper homeowner and "farm and ranch" grade saws like this 590 is. This 590 I think is actually the best "farm and ranch" grade saw out there and its actually cheaper I think then the farm boss line from Stihl and Rancher line from Husqvarna. If you buy a pro saw from either MFG its going to have a magnesium case. I know I have seen some Dolmar saws have aluminum crank cases. Mine has magnesium, I have a Makita DCS6421 which is a 64cc pro saw think the Dolmar model is 6400 Makita owns Dolmar they are the same saws. I have Stihl, Husqvarna, Redmax, Makita, Echo, John Deere which I think was made by Echo the newer Cub Cadet and Deere saws were made by Efco, and I have a throwaway Homelite saw. I might buy an Echo CS400 just because I can use the dozen or so chains I have from that homelite with the CS400. Can't use those chains with any of the saws I have now unless I change out parts so if I can find another nice used CS400 for $125 like the last 2 I saw I might buy one just because I have all those chains. If you think this saw is intimidating wait till you pick up a larger pro saw lol. Even my Makita. Its only 64cc but its about 1 whole HP more then that Echo. I have a Stihl MS440 and Husqvarna 372xp too. As far as the anti vibe I think all modern saws have some form of anti vibration.

[@dentondunn4346]

Just sold my new sthil to purchase a echo cs590 Timberwolf and love it. I don't understand why it has a decompression button because it's no harder to start than my farm boss that I can tell, I've never used the decompression button and always starts on 2nd pull from a cold start. I like how it only oils when the chain is running and it's the best decision I've made in buying a saw, especially selling a stihl to be able to purchase it . $400 with that kind of power and reliability with a 5 year warranty makes it the most amazing saw on the market

[@WilliamsonRidge]

It’s definitely a lot of bang for the buck.

[@dentondunn4346]

@@WilliamsonRidge How many tanks of gas does it usually take to break it in til the carb needs readjusted after getting it broken in?.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I’ve never had to adjust mine other than the idle screw just a bit.

[@dentondunn4346]

@@WilliamsonRidge Dealership told me after breaking it in that they would tune my carb for me once so that it would run even better free of charge. I had my farm boss tuned after breaking it in and it would start, idle and run a lot better after the dealer tuned it. It opened up better and had better throttle response so was curious how many tanks it usually takes to break in the Echo.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I just checked the manual and it doesn’t say, it just says not to run it full throttle unnecessarily, I could start telling a difference in the way it ran after a couple tanks. The stihl manuals say three tanks, I would say it would be about the same 3 or 4 tanks should do it.

[@fitz3137]

yes please do post the idle tutorial pronto

[@rkow8508]

I've had Stihl Husqvarna and bought a echo cs 6700 years ago the echo was just as good. I've heard shindiwa is very good. Run what treats you well.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah I think echo and shindaiwa are one in the same now

[@dentondunn4346]

What do you recommend between the 450 Rancher, 271 Farm Boss and the Echo CS590 Timberwolf

[@richarddodds9326]

I don't like all the Freeplay of the AV springs so I added the 620 rubber cushions in 3 places requires no modification and there is still some give but no more shaky springs and lots better control

[@vitalipool1030]

Thank you for a great review! I am adding this big brother to my Cs-300 and Cs-400 ECHO arsenal.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Awesome saws!

[@EcSsAwS]

Echo bars do have small oil passage. Take a Dremel or cutoff wheel and make a valley to the hole and a bit to open the oil hole itself Or just get a Oregon or archer bar. Bigger oil passages

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks for the info, I did get a 24” Oregon bar and it is better.

[@ericsalyer2869]

I had a cs590 with a 28” bar. The saw was hot rodded. Ported n such. It would run that 28” bar pretty good

[@benjaminkoll9179]

One thing i really like about the Echo is the grease able tip. Sthils dont come with them like Echos.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah mine still runs smooth I try to grease it every use or every other use

[@douglastroutman6825]

Thinking about buying one, good video you answered my questions about the saw.Thanks.

[@pallmall5495]

When my church used to collect saws to send starving kids in Africa, Echo was the most donated saw. But the kids are still hungry because none of them would eat the Echo saws. Said they left a bad taste in their mouths. They wanted good stuff like Stihl or Husky. Kids today are spoiled

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Lol, sounds like they need good cocheer saws from Amazon.

[@62shalaka]

My CS-590 has an issue with the oiler hole plugging up. The previous Stihl 029 never plugged the oiler. It's something to keep an eye on if you don't want to fry a chain.

[@KM-os4be]

Interesting I have an older 029 Super for many years. The oil hole in the bar and slots in the bar constantly plugs up. Sometime before a tank of gas. I've noticed some types of wood are worse than others though. My echo CS-510 doesn't need cleaning nearly as often.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Seems mine plugs up more than it should. I recently bought an Oregon 24” bar and so far haven’t had that issue with it.

[@w96725]

Thank you for making a good clean character video.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks for watching!

[@shadowdust72whisper49]

I have the same chainsaw, I flip the bar, but I was unaware about this oiling problem. I believe I had sawdust plugged in the hole and it caused the metal gear to strip the plastic worm gear on the pump… Easy enough to fix, but it cost me $50, plus I ruined the bar. Great saw other than this problem.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I found a little paint stuck down in the oiler hole and cleaned it out good and haven’t had any problems since

[@OutandaboutoutdoorswithRon]

Nice review lots of great 1st hand info from a satisfied customer something for one to keep in mind when considering a purchase. Thanks for sharing!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks!

[@markw2266]

You can always run a longer bar and go with a skip tooth chain. I run a 620p with a 24" all the time. I wouldn't be afraid to go to a 32" bar with a skip tooth chain just don't push it let it cut. I have a 36' on a 394 husky, it's not easy to get a straight lcut with long bars. The saw will always try to pull the cut away from the weight of the saw if the chain is cutting straight. I always kicked myself for not getting a 48" bar instead of the 36". On the big ones I'm always ending up not quite making it which just pisses me off. The 24" is a garenteed walk around but does as much as the 36" in a trunk I can't reach through and is a little easier to keep straight during a cut. Just my 2 cents.

[@optimoprimo132]

I have one. I've watched a few reviews. No one mentions that it also has a summer and then a winter setting.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Very true, I don’t ever switch mine off summer haven’T had any problems with it not wanting to run in winter, that’s probably why I never remember to mention it lol.

[@brianproffitt7263]

Got a 2010 echo cs 330t, starts one pull ever time cold or hot weather.

[@JAK3CAL]

Decompression valve is used if you’ve been cranking on the rope for awhile and she’s not starting, right? Not for any normal starting

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Decompression is meant to be used for normal starting, it is to relieve the compression so it’s easier to start under any condition let’s you spin the motor faster and easier without the jerking on your hand and arm.

[@outdoorsman7538]

I have had the same timberwolf pro cs590 for about 8months and I havent had any oil problems with mine yet have cut 60 plus loads of wood with it I love the saw but it does get heavy

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I put a 24” Oregon bar on and it didn’t have the same problem so I worked on the factory bar and there was some paint in the Oiler holes so I got that cleaned out and now it’s good to go.

[@smiley454jmw]

The decompression on a saw this small is mainly just to let off so it doesn't kick back ( like when the pull rope stops all at once ) to notice a difference you have to be pulling like a 85cc or bigger

[@jolkraeremeark6949]

I do notice a good amount on the 372xp.

[@lawrencesmith7380]

A good comprehensive review of this saw.

[@BAKERHUSKIE]

I usually clean the bar everytime I refuel. If at home I will air blow everything.

[@alanwilliamson9350]

I've got an old john deere saw that belonged to my dad from the early 80s that was made by echo. It was a great saw in its day.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

That’s cool!

[@tbraasch]

My dad has an old JD/Echo as well. Still works.

[@justinspilinek3079]

My dad bought a brand new Echo 440EVL in the fall of 1987, right before my brother was born. Primary heat in the house was a wood stove, and that was his only saw for 15 years straight. I think he cried when he had to get it rebuilt, and the local place had went from Echo to Shindaiwa. He tried one Shindaiwa, for about five years. Gave that saw to my brother and bought his 590.

[@jeffmorrow1957]

Great video👍I can see in the background you have the same county line splitter I have, it’s a great splitter and worth every penny. I don’t yet have that saw but will have next month 👍thanks

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah the County Line splitter did a nice job, I recently sold it, I run an EastonMade 9-16 commercial splitter now.

[@KSMike1]

The only adjustment my 590 has needed was, the low needed about 1/4 turn further open. I’m thinking about switching to a 620 but not for any reasons I can justify 😂.

[@joemooney1347]

Thank you trying to make the hard decision of which chainsaw to buy this was helpful

[@WilliamsonRidge]

The Echo is a nice saw I’ll have some comparisons coming in future videos based on price point stihl vs echo, the stihl is 50cc for the same price as the echo 60cc so I’m putting them together as you would have to pay more to get the 60cc stihl going to be interesting to see how they perform against each other for the same price point

[@1razerful]

Need a new saw had a good size tree fall in my yard due to heavy snow (Im in new Hampshire) i have an echo leaf blower i bought few years back awesome machine so decided will go with this bad boy see what happens.

[@Jeremy_810]

I've got an ms250 which is 45cc. I need a bigger saw for stump work and big rounds. I was thinking I needed to step up to a 70cc pro saw but I really don't want to drop that kind of money. Would this Timberwolf with a 24" bar have substantially more power than my little Stihl? I'm not a logger just cut firewood and do the occasional milling for my woodworking hobby when I come across some nice logs. My friend has a Farm Boss (50cc). As long as this Timberwolf whoops that, I'd be happy

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah the echo is way more powerful than the stihl I run my echo with a 24” bar no problems. I actually did a video about it, if you get time check it out. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKi6h42loch2mqs I have a ms271 farm boss 50cc also I plan on doing some comparisons between them since they are the same price range but I have a feeling the echo will eat it up

[@christopherbeaulieu4942]

You can put a 28 inch bar on it but you need to change the carb. It is the same motor that is in the 620p. Different carb and different sprocket and different handle

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Cool thanks for the Info!

[@jcarter433]

Actually the 620p cylinder and 590 cylinder are different part numbers they are not interchangeable

[@christopherbeaulieu4942]

Huh. They both run the 59.8cc motor

[@christopherbeaulieu4942]

Yup your right. The piston is also different. The 590 and 600 have a single ring piston and the 620 has a double ring piston

[@Horishnyk]

Love my echo 620pw. Picked it up on that 20% off dealer day. Get the oregon 28" chain on bar combo for it on amazon. Pull the limiters and do the muffler mod. She'll rip.

[@DirbyHunter62]

port the muffler and take the plastic carb limiters off, I run a 24 inch full house chain and it still has room, guys run 28s on these and they still haul butt, mine out cuts my brothers 460 rancher and he only has a 20 on his

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I’ve seen others do that may be something I do in the future.

[@chaspre8525]

Is the the echo better then the Husqvarna 455 rancher looking to buy one

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I don’t know if the quality is better I’ve heard really good things on both saws but the echo is 60cc and the Husqvarna is 55cc. The overall reviews online are just a bit higher on the husky but the downs with both saws always seems to be with them being hard to start. I follow the starting procedure in the manual and have never had any problems getting mine started. The echo has a 3.89hp and the husky has 3.49 plus the echo has a metal case which is more typical of pro saws which is what drew me to it. Hope this info helps.

[@jeffmorrow1957]

I’m looking to buy this saw, your video is very helpful. Maybe I will buy a Oregon bar and chain right from the get go to see if it plugs up as bad as the original.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I purchased a Oregon 24” bar and don’t have any trouble with it plugging.

[@jeffmorrow1957]

@@WilliamsonRidge can you tell me the part numbers for the bar and chain, I appreciate it , thanks😎

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I’m not sure the part number right off but I have a link to it in the description in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aKi6h42loch2mqs

[@jeffmorrow1957]

@@WilliamsonRidge Ok thank you👍

[@proforest1]

Zdravím z České Rebubliky, pily Echo jsou návykové. Nyní jsem si jednu pořídil a jsem z ní nadšený. Ať se daří a hlavně ať to řeže.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Yeah I really like the Echo saws you get a lot of bang for the buck, thanks for watching!

[@radiodoctor]

Nice review. I learned a lot. Thank you!

[@catchthewind8563]

I am getting another one soon. Had to sell my last one. But these things run forever on a tank of fuel

[@g.d.7629]

Get the $620 P you get rim drive 2 rings bigger carb differant head.More HP

[@procdaddy12]

Great review! Looks just like what I need in a saw.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks!

[@joshlower1]

Yeah sawdust will plug up any saws oiler. It's just how it works out.

[@ungratefulbastard8166]

Good review , I wish you would have tested ,

[@kingclark100]

My Jonny reds never gotten a plugged bar oiler port, but you cant get a jonny red anymore they are now ‘redmax’ saws

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Nice! I solved the oiler hole issue, there was residual paint around the oiler hole when manufactured, I cleaned and picked all the paint from inside the hole and no more issues

[@hphillips7425]

Good video 👍. I just ordered one. The place I ordered from is 5 minutes from the echo plant they also had the best price.

[@reckless3008]

L9ve my 590 I'd prefer it over our sthil saws at work

[@fitz3137]

@ 15:00+ WHAT IDLE ADJUSTMENT!! The point of a review is to inform via demo. You need to do an addendum showing how you did that critical adjustment.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks for the input I will try to get a video up of it soon!

[@InvestorAcademyPodca]

If you can't adjust the idle on a carb, you probably should just take the saw into a dealer and have them do it for you.

[@fitz3137]

@@InvestorAcademyPodca I can do it, whole point is that the adjustment doesn't hold up. Dealer charges $75 to do the same fruitless thing. Only wondering what trick this guy might have...

[@mikebennett5442]

Great review I love my timber wolf. A cutting machine to answer your question stihl and husky don't have a thing on echo you made a fantastic choice

[@WilliamsonRidge]

It’s been a great saw, I’m a little embarrassed to say but I actually ran over it with my tractor since this review, haven’t posted the video about it yet but it still runs perfectly fine with some minor damage but still completely usable.

[@94SexyStang]

yeah right, the REAL pro's use Husq and Stihl, sorry to burst you bubble. Echo is a good saw, but to say it's a "real pro saw' is straight delusional, period!

[@mikebennett5442]

You are not bursting my bubble because I know better echo is a professional proudut nothing you say will change that

[@Frankiarmz]

Returned mine to Home Depot the same day😡 Oiler Did not adjust properly, chain dulled immediately, and it flooded when I tried to restart! I know about chainsaws, and after reading all the great reviews, maybe I got a bad one! Oh, and the bar oil plug leaked like hell, had to really tighten it down!

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Sorry to hear that, I’ve heard a few times people having issues brand new, seems there are a few here and there, don’t know if it’s maybe a quality control thing or what, but others seem to swear by them. So far still no troubles with mine.

[@davereade4017]

I have a 660 evl it's 64 cc I got it new 1985 and it still good

[@mrandrewdennis1]

The CS 590 is a great saw I have a lot of videos with it.

[@christopherbeaulieu4942]

This saw also has limitnator caps on it too and it runs a little lean.

[@karlrovey]

Every new saw will have them due to EPA regulations.

[@MySliceOfHeavenoutdoors]

Great review of the saw. I used a mcolluch for years. Do you remember them? I dont think they make them any more.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

Thanks! Yeah we used to have a mccolluch weed eater, I think that may be what the poulan brand is now or similar anyway, I know they usually came from Walmart it seemed, they would run forever it seemed though.

[@JesseLJohnson]

The old McCulloch saws were great. The newer saws seem to be junk and I heard Husqvarna or the parent company bought the McCulloch name. Half the saws out there now are owned by them from Redmax, Jonsered, Poulan, and I have heard they made or make the Remington and Craftsman saws, well the Rem and Craftsman saws would actually be Poulan just a different color. I know I have heard McCulloch was bought by them as well and the new ones I have seen are cheap junk possibly just a yellow and black Poulan. Redmax and Jonsered are just red Husqvarna. I have a Redmax that is the exact same saw as the Husqvarna 439 which is a rear handle version of the 435T top handle saw made for arborists in tree or bucket work. I can't think of what the model of mine is though but I know its identical to the 439 from Husqvarna just its red not orange and says Redmax not Husqvarna on the sticker. The local dealer that sold Jonsered closed last year said it was because Redmax and Jonsered merged I don't know about that but don't know of anywhere that sells Jonsered anymore. Only place besides that dealer that sold them around here was Tractor Supply and they sell Husqvarna again same homeowner and farm and ranch grade saws though just different color. I have been told the cheapest of the homeowner Husqvarna saws are actually Poulan not sure if that's true but the homeowner Husqvarna saws do suck lol so it might be. If I was buying one of the higher end homeowner or ranch saws I would buy Stihl or Echo. If buying a pro saw I would buy Husqvarna, Makita/Dolmar, Stihl, or Echo. I actually own all them. I really like Dolmar/Makita just not really any dealers around here. One of the reasons I kinda prefer Stihl is because dealers are everywhere and I like that they don't sell their saws at big box stores like Home Depot.

[@douglascrosby6536]

@@JesseLJohnson They do now. Just start looking at any Community or ACE hardware store. They used to brag about the fact that nobody could sell their equipment that didn't service it as well.....not anymore. The only problem Echo has is nobody down here in SE Texas will service them. This is obviously Stihl country.

[@raykitko6328]

@@douglascrosby6536 Hit and miss on that - I guarantee you that Ace Hardware in New Martinsville WV is a very good Stihl dealer. Here some of the Ace stores had to up their behavior because Stihl found they weren’t doing the pre-sale. I bought mine 40 miles away and they did the whole pre-sale and had been able to keep 201’s and 500i’s in stock but I haven’t checked for a while.

[@pitviper8795]

The gumming up issue could be from the type of wood you are cutting. I notice that happens to me when the wood is in that in between stage of green and dried out. The wood turns almost soft at least with Oklahoma Blackjack.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I changed the bar and the Oregon bar doesn’t do it. I also worked on the stock bar and doesn’t have as much trouble with it now, maybe I’ll do a video on that soon.

[@jamesmckay9966]

In the OLD OLD days with the Idiot Whip (hand Cross Cut 1 or 2 man) the sawyers carried a small container of Kerosene or other natural solvent which they put on the saw to cut the turpentine or wood sap to stop the stickiness.

[@jenniferl9603]

@@WilliamsonRidge Yes please show how you resolved the oiler getting plugged. I am having the same problem. It is the only thing about this saw I find very frustrating. Everything else has been great.

[@WilliamsonRidge]

I’ll see if I can get a video of it soon

[@iamthemoss]

I just bought one, it can be a pain to start, I recommend never to use the compression release. My CS-400 is over 14 years old and still runs well. So far not as impressed with the 590.

[@pedintx]

Thanks for the great video and great review on a killer saw.