Echo Dagannoth Kings - Cheese Method

[@pashmenia]

I REALLY appreciate this guide! And also appreciate the sentiment of refusing to learn a mechanic that you don't find fun lmao. That's so real. I will play as inefficiently and as sloppy as necessary to avoid it.

[@stevemacfadden-b6y]

great beginners guide to beat the Echo fight, but guys it takes time, flicking is hard but in other parts of content its honestly one of the most fun parts of the game and super rewarding when you finally start to get it dont give up on it!

[@fernandolinares4113]

Dude thank you for this, I also hate prayer flicking/switching and also play in resized. You a goat

[@SeekingTheTriple]

For playing in resizable, you should use the Stretch Mode plugin to scale your interface til it is ideal for quick switches. I do this for fighting Muspah and it works great. Thanks for the video!

[@PISTOLCUPCAKES]

you're a legend. thanks! I've always hated prayer switching/flicking for the same reasons you mention

[@dylansturm2915]

enraged phase + flicking kills me every try .... this has helped a lot, thanks

[@I_Crit_My_Pants]

I got my first kill with melee thanks to your confirmation that this method works. I had theorized it since I was melee and concerned about that but wasn't sure and had been putting it off as a result, well now I can get my ring and neck, thank you.

[@LazlowT]

@@I_Crit_My_Pants Really cool to see this method is successful with melee too. Well done!

[@shaneblomquist6915]

This worked for me using Entangle with T6 ranged! Got so many kills in 1 trip. Thank you so much

[@VivienneNGS]

You're a fuckin legend, I seen so many other ppl flicking it and I thought my hopes and dreams of getting that jewlery was lost, tysm

[@LazlowT]

@@VivienneNGS if a high tier PvMer sees a problem can be solved with complex prayer switching, they will solve it with complex prayer switching. Obviously, this is no good for players like us when it’s presented as the way to do things.

[@muncherofbiscuits]

Managed to do it without T6 ranged with this method, thanks so much!

[@DevilTheVampire]

Thanks for this! Makes the boss so much more doable for us prayer flicking haters

[@runescaper5281]

Great cheese method. As a T6 mager I have been camping Rex only ignoring the others and hitting him through prayer with blood barrage. Also, I would like to add that obsidian armor is an excellent tank armor choice that provides no negative mage/range bonuses.

[@sanderstraver6819]

Obsidian armour sadly isn't really that tanky, it's defensive stats are lower than a rune armour.

[@benjaminlis8517]

Hey man. Do stretches mode plugin and 117 hud plugin to not have to move a mouse so far away

[@MKProsD]

Tysm!! I kept dying whilst trying to flick all three of them so this is the easiest solution for me😎

[@kingzyton]

Thank you! this made echo dk's so chill!

[@SerumFromThere]

Use "Stretched mode" --- will increase your invy size a bit, etc. It definitely helps with pray switching when not using traditional fixed client size. I am melee relic so I go in melee only and do the prayer switching. it's really not bad. Cause you don't have to set anything up AND you can't let them fall out of cycle, cause they won't. So its always MAGE->Range->Melee which is nice.

[@Ryzen776]

You can also use the regular safespot for a chunk of the fight. The poison will eventually flush you out, but it's that much time you don't have to worry about Rex. Then you can use last stand to cheese the last phase as well.

[@AnimationsN1]

I didnt know we can freeze him, that helps a lot. I personally have just been kiting rex to safe spots and just pray flicking the other 2, OR just camping mage prayer. Obviously the poison on the floor means I need to reposition regularly, but there's a bunch of safe spots around the room to do so. Just hitting rex most of the time and tagging the others (u have to or else u won't get a KC or loot pile for them) Nice video ty gonna try

[@letitsme]

Such a smooth voice!

[@TooFarJohn]

Fellow prayer flicking hater here. Key binds for individual prayers and a change so that the hit is counted when i can see the projectile and not before (like at DK's) would make it much more enjoyable. Really enjoying leagues and its brought me back to RuneScape after a year long leave. Much love, keep up the grind!

[@LoLTerminus]

and then we get into a slippery slope into rs3 territory

[@quinn8689]

I agree with you about prayer flicking

[@KEKW-lc4xi]

Honestly, I feel the same way. I genuinely don’t think I could manage a single Echo kill in any of my regions without Banker’s Note and constantly eating.

[@south393]

Thanks for sharing. Made it super easy for a casual player like me

[@sk8pkl]

The venator bow aoe heals you enough overtime to make it super easy and faster

[@darkflameheroofher]

If you’re playing mage, get one hit on supreme and one hit on prime, and then safe spot or freeze Rex and just attack Rex though the prayer

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

I legit struggled less with Varlamore echo boss than this one. I've always been shit at prayer flicking like this lol.

[@GregoryTG]

How are you getting such frequent ruby bolt procs??? Just THAT lucky?

[@LazlowT]

@@GregoryTG Yeah - I guess I was just lucky for this one!

[@GregoryTG]

@@LazlowT Had me scouring the net for any increase they did to enchantment activations lmao

[@designed2k]

I understand most people would probably just wanna try to hit the highest mark they can in leagues and just down this boss once. But for those that want to get better at OSRS, with full swaps, 1 tick cycling etc. This is hands down the best practice you'll ever get. I dont mean to say anything bad about this video, since we all want what we want out of OSRS, whether we are sweats or we are casuals. But I will say this, to all those wanting to get better, this boss is only going to be here for 2 months, and its hands down the best learning experience you can learn about tick cycling and attempting to do a 4-1 5-1 tick switch

[@LazlowT]

Yeah, this video is absolutely not for people who want to learn how to get better at the game.

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

I can beat most content in the game without actually knowing how to do 1 tick cycling. For whatever reason mechanic's like this boss's main mechanic just stress me out and then I fail to keep timing.

[@mjslammy]

Thanks so much for this video!!!

[@bah0met1]

If you download the stretched mode plugin and scale up ur inv size swapping prayers on resizable mode isnt bad

[@LazlowT]

What you're seeing is stretched mode, but I appreciate you can turn the scaling up so it's more akin to fixed mode. It's a good suggestion. With that said, it makes the game look like ass and I really don't care about prayer switching enough as a leagues only player to engage with that type of content.

[@albin1816]

@@LazlowT Having good mouse movement and click mechanics is part of the game. How the game looks was never anything that drove players to this game. Being able to scale up inventory gives you a nice middle ground of having easy to click prayers, and a large window size. You can't cheese your way through the inferno by sticking to one protect prayer. By simply not learning to switch prayers you're missing a lot of content, just saying :) As with anything, after a while it becomes muscle memory and it's not annoying at all to switch prayers.

[@LazlowT]

@@albin1816 I'm already missing a lot of content by being a leagues only player. I'm fine with it - I don't need to experience everything the game has to offer, nor do I desire to. Is your argument that combat that involves complex prayer switching IS something that drives players to the game? After just how many 100s of hours will a new player get to experience this type of gameplay? You can bash how the game looks, but many players crave the charming and simplistic aesthetic OSRS has when compared to modern games. It definitely drives more people to the game than the prospect of doing OSRS end game PvM content does. Regardless, I don't deny there is a skill to learning this type of content; and as with most things, practice ultimately will make perfect. My point is a significant proportion of players find this type of gameplay frustrating and not fun, and will give up on learning it before achieving competence.

[@DeoVenator]

thanks, definitely going to use this method

[@brycegriffin9271]

Prayer flicking isn’t nearly as hard as people make it out to be. Stare at prime, when prime attacks, flick to range, then melee, then back to mage, then move, then click boss. Repeat. This works for the whole kill including enrage. The problem people have probably is doing those things too fast rather than too slow. .6 seconds is more time than people think, knowing when .6 seconds have passed is all you need to be a god tier OSRS pvmer. That or a metronome but you get a feel eventually.

[@LazlowT]

@@brycegriffin9271 Perhaps you’re right, but it still remains to be (to me and many others) a style of gameplay that just isn’t very fun to engage in. For example, I’ve just farmed these items on my mage playthrough that required 50 kills to get the ring via bad luck protection. I found the 50 kill grind tolerable because of this method that doesn’t require much thought. I would have given up on the grind after about 5 kills if I had to prayer switch because I’d hate to be doing that over and over for an extended period of time.

[@kanifis]

Not trying to nitpick lol, but you can just drag your inventory in some towards the middle. I know plenty of chad regular osrs players that play fullscreen.

[@MrAnonymouselol]

How do you get ruby bolts

[@LazlowT]

@@MrAnonymouselol I took power miner via reloaded so the bolts were easy. The rubies I got from gem stalls with Dodgy Dealer. With that said, I really don’t think the ruby bolts are necessary. The hard part of the fight comes when they’re at low hp when ruby bolts are no longer a factor.

[@AnimationsN1]

Just get adamant bolts from Soul Wars, get rubies from shops or stealing them. Cut them and turn them into tips, put them on the bolts.

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

I picked golden God, so I'm able to trade runes for tokkul and then use that to buy all the coal and addy ore I need and smelt it at blast furnace. After that you just buy and cut rubies into bolt tips and make ruby bolts.

[@Purin1023]

What the fuck were those ruby bolt procs at the start? lmao

[@LazlowT]

@@Purin1023 Yeah, got pretty lucky! For what it's worth, the fight is all about surviving the enrage; where ruby bolts don't make so much of a difference because the boss have so little hp left.

[@Sean-db1gx]

Yeah I also hate the direction jagex is moving with prayer switching. Its aids

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

I don't mind having to flick prayers or switch prayers several times during a fight, but tick perfect flicking multiple prayers like this just isn't for me. I always mess it up because for whatever reason this specific mechanic stresses me out. Maybe it would be different if I could just hotkey each prayer. But I do think it's pretty cool that this boss is basically a rhythm game and it's kinda sad that I probably won't be able to beat it the way that it's intended, but I'd rather cheese it because I don't really have the time to to spend hours learning to do this properly.

[@ironmeme7340]

BDO gives better DPS if you play on potato graphics. Since you asked someone to name another game. :P

[@lutfikhundakji7149]

I lowkey regret taking melee. ._.

[@themooseisloose100]

same, wish i did range

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

I sometimes see how melee players just nuke everything and regret picking ranged, but in this case I think my choice wasn't that bad after all

[@tinoban]

if u get moryt gloves and guthans u can "afk" echo bosses

[@lutfikhundakji7149]

@ I already did my 50 kc doing the prayer flicks as a melee. It can be consistent but the final rage phase sucks dick if you’re trying to focus down ranger

[@johneckleston9826]

ATM: as t6 ranger, when holding range wep ur freezes are 100% acc, no need for staff !!!!!!!

[@LazlowT]

@@johneckleston9826 Ah, good to know. Great for people who don’t have an auto cast option!

[@TearThatRedFlagDown]

I had no idea, that's pretty OP lol.

[@Jimmykreedz]

Yea I'll just be doing this. Unfortunately I'm one of the most unlucky players in the world so I'll have to do it for AT LEAST100 kills to get both.. (Currently 1600kc on CG in main game without bow) :( never ever been spooned anything aaaaaaaaaah.

[@LazlowT]

@@Jimmykreedz good news for you bud! There is bad luck protection so you are guaranteed to have the items after 50 kills.

[@Jimmykreedz]

@@LazlowT Fantastic :D

[@brmor]

beauty

[@cripknuckles9112]

Me who has no ancients 😢

[@LazlowT]

Should work just fine with Snare/Entangle

[@tonycawk513]

Thanks for showing the fight. dont think ice barrage is cheese though. Its intended to freeze.

[@EastCoastJerkStyle]

Your target is currently immune to that spell. -- Entangle. PATCHED. DO NOT GO WITH ENTANGLE, unsure about barrage.

[@LazlowT]

Just tested this with both Entangle and Ice Barrage - BOTH METHODS STILL WORK. This has NOT been patched. Poster, if you refer to 2:07 - you will see my freeze does not splash; yet Rex is not frozen. This is because the target will have a period of freeze immunity after recovering from a freeze. I do not get an 'Your target is currently immune to that spell' message because Barrage still has a practical purpose as it does damage even if a target is immune. However, as Entangle has no practical purpose if your target is currently immune; the game will warn you to let you know you're casting the spell too early and it will have no effect. You need to wait a few ticks after Rex recovers from the freeze before casting a new one.

[@Handcannon77]

Yeah thing that ive never really been a fan of in OSRS PvE is the fact everything is controlled via clicking, which is just an inherently clunky and awkward way for an MMORPG to play, tick manipulation and flicking, while obviously has skill involved...just isnt terribly fun when you have to do it for hours, its tedious. IF you told me to play WoW via clicking everything(which some people do..and most are bad because of it) id say youre crazy, because its incredibly inefficient to play an MMO like that. The movement/pathing in the game is also incredibly dogshit because of this as well. The vast majority of pve content in the game isnt actually super mechanically difficult(And isnt particularly fast paced), its basically all about being autistic about timing on everything, and a lot of that simply comes down to experience doing said content. I mainly play WoW for pushing bleeding edge content now(CE every tier/top 0.1% m+ most seasons), and OSRS just for fun/dopamine hits. There just isnt much enjoyment out of pushing the bleeding edge of OSRS content because its inherently not very difficult, so the competition aspect mostly comes down to speedrunning said content(in which the min-maxing of basically boils entirely down to how autistic you can be with tick manipulation and tick efficiency).

[@LegendaryRyu]

This only works at T6 - Otherwise you WILL splash rex

[@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m]

IDK why anyone would do this when it takes more than 2x as long as just clicking food and boss while praying Mage. You have bankers note, literally just combo eat every time you take dmg and you can't die. Also semantics, but resizable mode isn't your problem for pray switching, its the gigantic screen size of your resizable.

[@LazlowT]

@@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m Combo eat? You’ll be eating the whole time and hardly do any DPS.

[@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m]

@@LazlowT They don't hit you every time, go get some better tank gear. Can always just grab Sunlit Bracers first if Varla too for double healing, Echo Sol is very easy

[@LazlowT]

@@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m Are you seriously recommending that if someone is struggling with echo DKs, that they go and do echo Sol to get better gear? xD

[@Teeteeteeteetee-w4m]

@@LazlowT Yes. It is not hard, imo the easiest or tied with GGs. You literally just click food and its impossible to die

[@Ryyyzzor]

Yeah I’m using melee and I’ve tried and failed 5 times now to facetank it.. the enrage phase just fks you

[@sjadude3]

Its really not hard at all to pray flick man. “Be like woox” he says. Lmao

[@LazlowT]

When I made this video I knew there would doubtless be negative reactions like this one that an easier way of doing the encounter had been discovered. I really don't understand the need to gatekeep - some people just want to fuck around and have fun in leagues without putting in much effort.

[@dominater5]

Hes not complaining about an easier method hes just saying that you're over stating the difficulty ​@@LazlowT

[@geero8051]

terrible take on prayer switching , jagex wil never do that

[@abigfatkittycat]

im sorry to be harsh but you choosing a shit UI setup is not Jagex's fault. You can ruin lots of games by messing up the UI especially ones as customizable as OSRS. You are basically complaining that they let you shoot yourself in the foot.

[@LazlowT]

When you say a shit UI set up, are we talking about playing in fixed mode vs resizeable? Or are we talking about adjusting the UI settings through a client like runelite? Fixed mode is generally not an enjoyable experience for most modern players, as people want to be able to see as much of the world they're interacting with around them. As for adjusting the UI - making this a requirement to play optimally is horrible for accessibility; and regardless, will still lead to the same problems in that your prayers will be located somewhere on the screen where the gameplay will force you to have a significant amount of cursor activity and eye attention in that one area of the screen. You would not design a modern game this way as the majority of players would choose not to engage with it. I appreciate there are players like yourself who will never be convinced that it's not a fun way to play, but it's aspects of the game like this that I think are really harmful for player growth.

[@abigfatkittycat]

​@@LazlowT You have very wide resolution and are using resizable with no stretching I'm sorry you did this to yourself but it would take you like

[@abigfatkittycat]

​@@LazlowT your remark about "name a modern game where you have to change graphics settings" ALL OF THEM. LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE GAME- disable blur, widen FOV, change transparency in menus, match your refresh rate to your monitor. If you are doing high level content or being competitive in any modern game you are likely going to need to change some of this stuff. That is truly one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard anyone say

[@LazlowT]

@@abigfatkittycat This is a strawman argument. I've very deliberately said "to be able to play at a reasonable level". In every example you've given - you can very reasonably be able to achieve all the content that a game has to offer without touching any of those settings, as those settings only make very marginal improvements to performance. Whereas in OSRS, not being able to prayer switch effectively/efficiently is a barrier to entry for certain types of content. And none of this addresses how anti-fun it is to be staring at a portion of the screen where your prayers happen to be located for a large part of an encounter. Most players want to be staring at the encounter itself, not where their UI happens to be. I appreciate that many good players can do this at a glance or without even looking, but this doesn't apply to most people. Where this is especially damaging is when it comes to new players. Learning this simply isn't fun, and I'd wager most would rather give up trying to learn and do something else before they're able to achieve competence.

[@dominater5]

​​@@LazlowTacoldone could do inferno with your graphics setup first try. Stop pretending it's not a skill issue