Eco Grief

[@vetterbarbara9098]

I have just finished my studies to become a grief counceller here in Switzerland. I wrote about eco-grief and hope to sensitize people in my country. I realize, that it is so important to get in touch with our emotions for nature and express our grief.

[@dianewallace6064]

I concur with you Regina. My biggest heartbreak is the loss of all animal species. Not only the loss of particular species but the loss of each individual animal.

[@GregoryJWalters]

Superlative CEF discussion! Very helpful to all your viewers. Please do reflect on this subject matter regularly. Thank you all!

[@nevid4694]

I feel the grief. I also feel the grief that not enough people are watching your videos. How bad does it actually have to get before people LOOK at it? Animals are beings, like us and unlike us. I'm 70 and feel so guilty that I didn't dedicate my life to activism. Instead I wasted my time on a stupid, useless career. Now I'm too old and ill to help. I love Earth! I love life! I love people, too, but also feel some disgust for what we have done. Thank you for your efforts!

[@rbj5767]

Thank God for this video. I am 55. I am distraught. No more Springs and Falls. Total despair.‼️😞🌎💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💢 GOD IS GREAT. Thank Christ❣️⚡️🙏🐗💙🙏⚡️🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@jedturner9173]

Nature is a real living life form and there are many wonderful facits to it, if you look after it and respect it, it looks after you, nature to presurve it self is getting rid of what threaterns its very existance , Man

[@lacusrengoku5087]

Thank you for discussing this very important topic. I'm in my late twenties. I didn't find out how desparate the circumstance of climate crisis was until October 2021...and I thought I could just somehow emotionally "get used to" this reality in a few week. But no, it took me more than 8 months! During the 8 months, almost any "natural entity" (a tree, water, soil...) could be a "trigger" to raise a feeling of being heartbroken. I had bad insomia, digestion issue, low blood pressure...seems to be the way my body is trying to absorb those information. Moreover, it also affected my work. I have passionately aspired to improve some aspect of education since I was a kid. And I have been working on a lengthy project about the future of education for years. This climate crisis made me feel: does it still matter? Will education system still exist in 2050? Regardless of the amount of endeavor I put into the project, it's very likely I will see it being torn into pieces within my lifetime....or perhaps the entire category will just be wiped out. Besides, I have decided I will not have kids because I could find no good answer to their question: " why did you bring me into this already unrecoverable world?"

[@topherdean1024]

😟💚 I wish I could say you're wrong. There are so many dire crisis happening now, and addressing them means interfering with commerce, which is a non starter for the people in power.

[@leskuzyk2425]

Sorry about that. I'm much older, so sorry about much. Took me five years to accept, and there's still back and forth. Keeping climate active works the best.

[@EmeraldView]

It's difficult for sure. I think you describe why most people simply don't even want to know. They'd rather just not look up and just go about the life they know oblivious to anything that could radically change it.

[@carolynbrzezinski5779]

I just want to say a big Thank You to all of you at Climate Emergency Forum for all of your posts, but this one was particularly meaningful. You continue to help me work though my climate grief. As I learn more about the climate crisis and see our so-called leaders doing essential nothing, I sometimes think I’m losing my mind. Don’t they understand? Don’t they have children? Money will soon be meaningless as you cannot buy a new planet. As a parent and a grandparent, I think about all of this daily and it’s a heavy load. You are my support group and from the bottom of my heart, thank you for all you do!

[@kx7500]

I second this.

[@topherdean1024]

💚🌏💙

[@owlnationlegal4228]

Someday

[@MaraHall-p2k]

i have this "eco grief". I'm concerned about what will happen when society realizes en masse this doomed arrangement

[@marilynngray-raine7581]

I’m 73, and have sadly seen a lot of change in my decades. I became increasingly aware after ‘Silent Spring’ only to see how we have ruined the seas, the soil, the air, the water, the net of life with big rips and tears in 60+ years. This is a‘’I wish I didn’t know now what I didn’t know then’’ realization in spades. I now resist an omnipresent anxiety which limits my capacity for careless, carefree joy. I know how to be present, savoring moments, but there is always a cloud . I think if the general populace had a real understanding of what’s coming, they would be more fearful than they already are and this would hasten social breakdown, economic and state collapse.

[@dannycelovsky5362]

Keep yourselves healthy. All of you.

[@coweatsman]

I have found it useful to read the stoics like Seneca and Marcus Aurelius. It allowed me to face reality without falling into the tempting cosy traps of techno bargaining that is hopium and not fall apart with the worse of what can happen. To move beyond doom and hope to being comfortable with reality. I have also been helped by appreciation of Buddhist concepts. To live happily with pessimism I can also recommend reading Dostoyevsky.

[@jenmorricone4014]

I'm with you on those recommendations.

[@donnawilliams64]

I will be forever grateful to you for teaching me the word "hopium". Exactly.

[@Frosty294492]

There are people that know, and people that do not want to know. That is all.

[@awakenacres]

My biggest grief is wondering how the world will be for my children. Besides climate change I see with my own eyes in my community land being destroyed for development and agriculture. I see baby calves in crates on dairy farms. So many people don’t seem to care or they are in a state of denial or delusion about climate change and biodiversity loss. It saddens me.

[@leskuzyk2425]

We are starting up a 12 step program ... like AA ... here in petro city Calgary. A good place to express eco grief. A place of rigorous honesty. A good way for me, anyway, to get out of myself. Freedom from grief we find in 12 step -- find a way to help others.

[@lancechapman3070]

I grieve for future lost. I grieve for hope lost. I grieve it for the now undreamable dreams forever lost. I grieve and I give thanks. We are here. We are witness. We grieve together.

[@voltrevolt8731]

Good discussion, and very relevant of course. My own climate depression hit kind of hard after the last IPCC report. I was sort of in this plucky mindset of “oh, it’s bad, but we can do this! Batteries, solar, wind, let’s do it!” Then after the IPCC report it was like, “oh wow we are just completely screwed.” And we kind of are in many ways. So I think going through a period of “realization grief” is necessary, but very difficult. But if people are going to continue doing this work, we kind of don’t have a choice but to find ways to deal with/overcome this unavoidable, terrible grief. It’s something we’re all probably going to have to experience if we want to stay engaged with climate change. By all indications, there’s more grief to come.

[@codystringer419]

I’ve fallen completely into depression from this. I just want to cry… I’m worried about the future and the fact that the leaders aren’t listening and fixing this causes so much pain in my heart.

[@EmeraldView]

The hardest part is seeing people/society carrying on like there isn't a serious existential problem facing humanity. And worse, carrying on in things that cause people pain suffering and misery. We need love and compassion and yet that's becoming ever more difficult to find. In fact it's even becoming wrong to have or show it. Kids/Adolescents are being taught that kindness and compassion is literally a prelude to being raped, so don't accept it, be suspicious of it, avoid it, report it to the nearest authorities.

[@donnawilliams64]

Thank you for these honest and real words. Here's why I'm grateful to find this: I was walking past a fundraising table for NAMI (a mental health non-profit) one day so I stopped to ask them what support they offered for climate grief. Nothing. Not even sympathy. Hard to find someone to talk to. Oh, well. I've been living with existential angst for 50 years, now, so it's second nature to me. I had to come to grips with the damage nuclear weapons promised to do to the planet in my teens. I consider it a miracle we've survived long enough to now see the threat from environmental degradation and climate catastrophe. We do seem bent on self destruction. Tinkering with genes without a safety net, geo-engineering proposals, other high-risk behaviors. Despite my jaded cynicism, any cut to the natural world can sometimes land a gut punch--like loss of half the plankton, or Audubon bird counts taking a dive, or a heat wave in Canada, or tragic fires in Australia and the Amazon. How do I cope? I try to see coping mechanisms with compassion instead of viewing them as lame excuses, but my most recent lame excuse is to think of all the planets in the galaxy and wonder if it isn't very natural for life to bloom and flame out as it appears to be doing on our planet. Maybe we've just been exceedingly lucky to live through the last 5 mass extinctions and we should be grateful for that. Maybe on another planet, life has found the secret to balance and grace and peaceful coexistence. Maybe we will, too. Who knows?

[@personalkelly11]

Thanks for this episode. Among other things, I'm grateful Dr Carter puts the perspective right with reminding us it's not our fault, we are been driven to this end. I'll be watching and listening to this again to be sure, keeping eyes and ears open for mention of historical gaslighting by deniers and the cumulative effect that can have.

[@treefrog3349]

As deplorable as our arrogant disregard for the biosphere is, what is even more shocking - and telling - is our indifference to each other! Human history is replete with avoidable needless atrocities perpetrated on humans BY other humans. Contemporary disparities and inequities are largely man-made and avoidable. If humans are incapable of respecting other humans, how can we ever expect them to respect the Earth? Ancient, age-old native wisdom has been subsumed by unadulterated human greed.

[@jenmorricone4014]

Absolutely and well said!

[@publicdomain1103]

Human species, so smart and confident. To ponder our place in the cosmos should lead to the fact that we are alone in our quadrant and no one is going to save us. We must do as Mother Nature dictates. She is not a cruel master but is pragmatic. Humans with all their collective knowledge must realize that the environment is our true memory and sustains only through intelligent design when it suits the ecosphere for the benefit of all symbionic life. ShakeUp XR

[@michaelschiessl8357]

Thank you Regina,Paul and Peter for this video..there's been a lot of times that ive been depressed about what is going on with our climate and it makes me very angry as well. What really gets to me is the climate denial,the not caring about this topic from even good friends of mine..I dont know whether its they've lost hope and cant do anything about it or just plain they want to live in their own tiny bubble and pretend nothing is wrong.Kind of like the frog in the slowly steaming pot..We all can do something in our lives to help the planet..we are all in this together..its our home..All of you at Clinate Emergency Forum help me get through my issues of depression because you obviously care and you share with us all of this information and it truly helps me to know that there are people who care and we can seek peace and share our experiences..Thank you!! you are truly making a difference..

[@ClimateEmergencyForum]

Thank-you so much

[@miltkx]

I agree with everything your associates are saying - unfortunately no one is listening!

[@louisehoff]

You three, Jim Massa, Dr.Tao of the MEER project and Guy McPherson are my refuge in facing this climate collapse because you are all the only ones I know facing it square on and not calling for renewables by 2050. Frivolous military manufacturing, transport, bombing and burning as well as private jet use are rarely discussed in fossil fuel use equations. I am trying to pull my widespread extended family forward by publishing a little blog about all that is happening climate wise around the world so as things worsen for our privileged western economies they will be better prepared to face this unknown future with more resiliency and compassion.

[@personalkelly11]

these comments hit hard. my heart...

[@topherdean1024]

One thing, on the Kubler-Ross scale, when the graph swings up to acceptance, that part isn't happening, because you can't accept extinction and move on with your life, because everything you love is dead or dying all around you and it will never come back.

[@sjeffi]

I agree with Paul that you don't need to move away from your home to feel homesick. But..."when the mind is feeling intense grief..." Mind can think but it cannot feel, emotional awareness is located in the belly. The mind can trigger emotions and it can manage emotions by putting them in perspective or find distraction.

[@christill]

I think it’s interesting that Paul had that reaction about the painting. I’ve seen another blogger I follow have the same reaction initially. She also changed her mind a day or so later, and realised the genius of it; that it really does expose how many people value art more than life without realising it. I immediately thought it was a great protest. I would say it’s an age thing, but the blogger was the same age as me. I’ve never been interested in art, so it’s mainly that, and my politics.

[@nikkibalazs9359]

Thank you for all this, I really appreciate it! 💚💚💚

[@MyKharli]

Unfortunately in the UK at the moment you are only likely to access health services if your leg is actually hanging off , anything else and your on years long waiting lists .

[@CRAFTYCREATIONS60]

I woder when all the respected scientific community will start to say it's too late so save humanity? Before it's simply impossible do anything or when 60° C temperatures will starst to kill people on the spot? by all means mass panics are not my favorite. I'm 31. I have been following climate related research for about 5 or more years, simply because I'm interested of my future and all humans. Big thanks to Paul Beckwith, Regina Valdez and Peter Carter. You say it like it is. I appreciate your work.

[@slyborg1]

You three dear people are our support group. No friends and family want to hear or believe. Protest must be controversial to be effective.

[@juliebarks3195]

Always good to hear from you all. Keep up the good work in these troubled times.

[@fipsht]

Alot of the above is relevant to me. I have been through the entire Kubler-Ross Grief Cycle over the climate catastrophe. It is debatable how far long the Bargaining/Acceptance part of the graph I am. But I also still use anger to vent my frustration, and it does help. It always starts with denial, though, so one can tell folks they don't need to feel bad if they are still denying it, it is part of the process, next they too will get angry, then depressed, but then it is uphill again, so they ought not be afraid. Fear dominates most of our inaction. The instability is already fearful and we sense that further agitation may only unsettle things still further, but this is an illusion that arises from the instincts discussed in the video. There are a great many primitive cycles and base human reactions running concurrent with the political and economic constructs, the same constructs which are the very drivers of the crisis. The confusion compounds the fear, and so on...

[@darrinwebster3705]

I first learned what was happening early in the school year in 2012. I learned it because I was working for an (at the time) brand new pilot program aimed at teaching kids about Climate Change. I was only 18 at the time and my role with a group of researchers was to assess whether the students would have a hard time learning the course material because I had just finished high school myself. When we got to the part of the program about what would happen to our crops I kinda laughed it off initially, even questioning the group of people I was working with because that sounded impossible. At the time because our models predicted that Northern Hemispheres would be I was reassured that what would happen wouldn't happen to the kids we were teaching. That they'd be safe. That all of us would be safe. When we learned a few years ago that the warming was happening almost uniformly, it broke me. I don't really want to go into details but I think all of us that know what's happening can relate. There was a point where I would spend my Uber rides home from work crying just out of view in the back seat on a regular basis because I didn't want to do it in front of people. Seeing the magnitude of events like Hurricane Sandy and knowing why the storms were progressively getting larger and more powerful as well as the drought here in California... made me desperate and that's been fueling my will to survive. I've been coping with whats been happening in two ways. First, as a scientist, independently trying to come up with ways to solve climate change or at least ease some of its effects. Second, as a regular person, I started to learn how to laugh at the irony of our situation. I say this because, as dark as our situation is, keeping sense of humor helps. This is a tactic used by veterans at war time. I've heard them say that the easiest way to rationalize what's happening is to find ways to laugh at it... and given that this might be the end for us potentially I figured screw it, why not cross becoming a comedian off the bucket list. Better to laugh to keep from crying while trying to solve the problem, right? As an aside thank you guys for continuing to make content, I watch every video and love your format. You explain things in a way most of us can understand it.

[@jenmorricone4014]

The pictures of the floods n Pakistan really did me in. I can't find a way to laugh about the immense suffering of innocent people who had so little to do with ruining the planet. When the malaria set in after the floods, it again brought home the reality that this will kill all of us, directly or indirectly.

[@aut-couture]

I used to campaign to deaf ears, now i've given up campaigning because it was too painful, and when i explain why to people they are more shocked than when i was campaigning. like paul i'm just going to focus on the science

[@peterdollins3610]

At 80 I've seen 90% of the wild places destroyed with the birds, creatures & fish. Then many of the places are polluted to the brim of every leaf.

[@singingway]

My grief is that my great grandchildren will likely not have the opportunity to hear Beethoven, see Monet's water lilies, study and play or sing Bach themselves. IF business as usual destroys the civilizational structure which supports symphonies etc.

[@jenmorricone4014]

Christopher Tin's new CD called Lost Birds, an Extinction Elegy has helped me process grief. He wrote the music for a group called Voces 8 and their song, The Saddest Noise, is on KZbin.

[@danielfranklin2344]

if you're grieving seek help...what about the people who aren't giving? the ones who aren't grieving should seek help. the rest of us need to find our courage to fight

[@garychynne1377]

as far as us being animals we don't put more sheep in a meadow than the meadow can support, so why are we having more humans than continents can support.

[@elainebraindrain3174]

I'm grieving from total loss of faith in a Creators existance and false promises to fix everything. I have deep grief over having children in ignorance. I'm 68 crying oceans of tears of hopelessness, dying from illness and broken heart.

[@yankeepirate8927]

Long ago when Stuart was first coming on the net we chatted a few times and not fond of doomers he wanted to deny the looming extinction between 2020 and 2030 predicted in 1998 by myself crunching data from NASA Ames Physicist and Arctic Explorer Jerry Borucki. By 2016 as SHTF I watched Stuart realize what was coming. I don't know how he fet at the end and didn't wish to bug him; he fought to the last ice cube eh? Several times I've written to do a podcast with Peter, but he appears preoccupied, so much so even an in-depth talk on dodging the bullet seems beyond his desire, but I thought of asking again. Cheers.

[@ClimateEmergencyForum]

Hi Yankee Pirate. Please use this link: climateemergencyforum.org/contact.html

[@araucaria5173]

To me it seems that Humanity suffers from denial insanity .

[@publicdomain1103]

Got it right.. Just Stop Oil. ShakeUp XR No harm no foul. Thanx.

[@rajendratayya8400]

Poisoning our private lives does lead to ecological problems.

[@user-vi6ro8bd4l]

Human population reached 8 billion today.

[@MountaineeringSense]

Great discussion. But Civility is a Heat Engine and when people Loose Everything they Loose It!

[@fotoplaf7702]

Once again a good topic. Very interesting. I wish, however, given the importance of the topic and message that you would invest time and effort into the form of your message. I would like to see you be more media savvy. While I know it can be shallow, so to speak, it may help connect to the people that can make the most difference.

[@phrenologisto]

Hunting has such a minor impact on the environment. Driving to work does more damage than hunting. Most large animals are hunted by the desperately poor or the obscenely rich who pay for conservation that no one else is willing to pay for. One life isn't a tragic loss. The tragedy is the loss of life at scale. Where is the shame?

[@amberazurescale5617]

I agree to a lot of what was said. Calling myself just a mind that makes a human experience - in other words pretends to be human - I tend to look at humanity from a bystander's perspective. And what I see is a species that is so overtly greedy and narcisstic that it hurts the eye. Most humans are caught in a self-made cage. There are exceptions like you people here, but they can't possibly make up for the billions out there who either don't care or are indulged in the destruction and malicious exploitation of the planet. Many don't even want to accept that they're part of nature, but instead still believe nature is something to be "tamed". In my eyes, there is nothing fine about humanity; all in all, it's a catastrophic species that didn't learn much in 3000 years. I've given up on them over 30 years ago, and nothing I've seen from that point on has convinced me otherwise. My biggest grief is probably that I'm now carrying a part of the blame, and my biggest pain is that I've yet failed to leave it all behind. For this is another thing I disagree with Peter: it's not "them" who're doing it. Everybody in this society has their fair share of guilt - some more, some less maybe, but still everybody. Maybe I can still help some people to leave that cage, to evolve from it all. Meanwhile, my biggest relief is the firm conviction that life will find a way. Human misdoing has to end and will end. I think climate change will be its downfall. And just in a few million years, it will all be forgotten but life will remain. For a spirit like mine, this time is just the blink of an eye, although I still feel sad for all the loss and damage happening along the way.

[@mrrecluse7002]

This sixth mass extinction is a demonstration of what humans do and do not value. First, and foremost, we value the ability to reproduce, without any restraint whatsoever. It is such a "sacred cow" that we are unable to address it. We go at it, sort of like lemmings, and our biological imperative is devoid of common sense, on this finite planet. We are appauled by the notion of "population control," which is understandable, given our biological imperative. But we fail to grasp that this is really about population self control, and not population control, as imposed by government. Self control is just doing the right thing for yourself, your loved ones, and the planet. Also, we are an animal with a complex brain, which gets us into endless trouble, when it comes into fitting in harmoniously with the web of life. We evolved too fast, for this planet. Thus, there is no blame. It is fast becoming apparent that we are a failed experiment of nature, i.e. evolution. A species with spectacular short term survival abilities, but likely to fail, in short order. The grief is terrible. We are not all bad. We are just not up to the task of drastically reining ourselves in, especially at this stage of the game.

[@elsajohnson6663]

Well said!!!!

[@shellyryan8506]

I am a climate change educator, 16 years now. I don't feel sad about the climate change situation, I feel major outrage that there are people who will do anything, commit murder on a huge scale, for money; and there are other people who applaud them and fund them to do it so they can get rich too. These people are sociopaths at best, and evil at worst. Many "average" people are either afraid of that much power or in awe of it, with the result that they won't stand up to those forces or take any action against them. I think the only way for this dynamic to end is to starve out the fossil fuel companies by collective humanity moving rapidly to sustainable technologies and for these conversations that you all are having to go more mainstream. Also, to get children majorly involved (and adults where possible) in reforestation, veganism, get rid of destructive animal agricultural, start seriously promoting urban and backyard farming as well as organuc/regenerative farming sites. Abd so much more is out there to be done. We all need to be more self-sufficient to get out from under the companies who want to control and use us all for their nefarious ends. We aren't pawns, we are all autonomous beings who can end this tyranny if we make the effort. Sadness about it should be expressed, but then we must stand up for ourselves and all those who can't. Humanity's self-centered and short-sighted ideas & lifestyle started this mess we are in, therefore we can change (of necessity) and end this destructive trajectory.

[@treefrog3349]

The intrinsic wisdom of which you speak is largely inaccessible to our contemporary 21st Century "deciders" who are blinded by wealth and their own self-aggrandizement. Even though they hold immense power, they are simultaneously infatuated with their own interests, influence and power. The novel "Moby Dick" is an amazingly prescient metaphor for our predicament : A deranged, monomaniacal sea captain drives the entire crew in to oblivion while in pursuit of his own singular, personal interest. Welcome to America (and the rest of the global "crew").

[@Lyra0966]

Chris Hedges on the Real News Network channel discusses this book and its metaphorical connection to our current global predicament.

[@TheDoomWizard]

Don't we all know this.

[@johnbaxter189]

Becker's!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's only one Paul Beckwith.

[@dalewalkonen7847]

Grief for the massive numbers of people who contributed almost nothing to the climate crisis and who will need to migrate. I doubt they will be greeted with compassion. This is where humanity either unites or decends into chaos.

[@robertpounds4842]

It has to be said that that climate chaos only gets shown in the media when these acts of protest happen , and the violence will most probably get worst as time goes on you only have to look at the likes of the suffragettes , Vietnam war , race riots etc . The establishment won’t go quietly, so far the blood has been spilled in the least developed countries aided and abetted by our governments , banks and corporations. I have no doubt that as it gets more desperate the fight will get uglier 😢

[@ecocentrichomestead6783]

Not echo grief! Eeee-co grief The loneliness of spirt is irrelevant. The biosphere is an interconnected system. Removing species is like playing janga. While any one species can be removed and the house not crumble, each species is just as important as all the other species (including humans)

[@fieldandstream9362]

The thing is computers don't grow plants and animals.

[@daviribeiro8846]

What we should do tô stop fóssil fuel use. Car not usina fóssil fuel Ive be al rea dy usina etanol, and I am miving tô bio disel madeira from oil soy

[@topherdean1024]

I'm trying to find a psychologist now, but no one will return my call, no one in my area is accepting new clients. I manage two non profits and I'm having trouble. It's not just the climate crisis though, habitat loss and animal/plant extinction rates and plastic/chemical pollution, it's all dire and intractable. What put me over the edge was looking at Google Earth. When you look at the U.S. Europe, Asia, you think you see forests, but when you zoom in, it's not, there are houses, roads, commercial enterprise, agriculture, logging, mining, drilling, fracking... 2/3 of all the animals that were alive in 1970 are gone. 60% of all the mammals on Earth are livestock for humans. We've taken it all and we've ruined the entire planet. It's unbearable.

[@Battery-kf4vu]

Those who depress young people the most are the morons who say that the situation is desperate at that we're all going to die in short order. McPherson of course is a prime exemple, but those we repeat all the time that the arctic is going to be ice free every year or that the methane bomb is about to explode are not much better. It doesn't mean that the situation is not serious with climate change.

[@Atheistbatman]

Whom are we supposed to see? Most of psychologists I’ve seen tell me to go to church! No worms in area past 2 years No fly larvae in trash cans this year Garden stopped completely after 2 nights warmer than days Birds vanished Bugs vanished But we made blah blah millions selling blah blah hundreds of blah blah shit I’m a MF Horticulturists and S is Fed up But make sure to sell that shit - horticulturist in mtg district….or hell

[@onlineadvertisingnet]

The Geoengineering is heavy in BC Canada.

[@magnusvermagnusson7461]

Its nothing to do with geoengineering.Geoengineering ment to slow down warming if it even exist.

[@danielfranklin2344]

if you seriously think throwing soup on a painting is wrong or bad then I think you should consider removing the word emergency from the title of this youtube channel. I appreciate the information you bring us so maybe just call it the climate forum instead

[@koohanpaik-mander7567]

Please help everyone who has made comments connect with one another. Solidarity is the solution. Let's get cracking. Thank you.

[@dion8962]

Better go live in a teepee in the forest to save the planet.. oh ya, there is no forest, peter carters generation destroyed it all

[@pamelanowicka9095]

I hope this.woman valourisng the slaughter of free living animals is a vegan. Animal ag is the biggest driver of biodiversity loss and a major contributor to Ghg emissions. And Dr Carter, please speak for yourself and don't presume you can slag off all older people with your ageist opinions

[@richarddavis3906]

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