Economics of Royalty: Is the Royal Family a Waste of Money? - TLDR News

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After a week of controversy surrounding the Royal Family, we thought it was worth discussing one of the core debates related to them - are they good value for money. So in this video, we discuss how the Royal Family are paid for and the economic benefits they provide the UK.
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CLARIFICATION: In the video, we make a number of claims surrounding the Crown Estate and just how the monarch receives from the Crown Estate or the Government. We wish to clarify the following: The Crown Estate is not the property of the Royal Family nor the Monarch in their personal capacity. As the Crown Estate website (www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-gb/our-business/our-structure-and-governance/) stresses "The assets of The Crown Estate are therefore not the property of the Government, nor are they the Sovereign's private estate. They are part of the hereditary possessions of the Sovereign "in right of the Crown". In more simple terms, the Crown Estate is owned by the monarch "by virtue of their accession to the throne" "for the duration of their reign". Think of it like the keys to an office - when you start a new job (in non-COVID times), you'll probably get your own set of keys. You "own" these keys by virtue of your employment for the duration of that employment. If you quit, or are fired, the keys are no longer yours. The calculation of the Sovereign Grant is a bit more complicated than what we explained in the video. The Royal Family doesn't immediately skim off 25% of that year's revenues or net profits. Rather the entirety of it is sent to the Treasury. The Treasury then, in accordance with the Sovereign Grant Act 2011, calculates and sends to the Crown the Sovereign Grant. Under Section 6 of the Sovereign Grant Act 2011 (www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/15/section/6), the Sovereign Grant is calculated as follows: First, calculate 25% of the Crown Estate income for two years prior (i.e. when calculating the Sovereign Grant for 2021-22 use figures from the Crown Estate corresponding to 2019-20). Round that figure up to the nearest 100 grand. Then compare the rounded figure with the Sovereign Grant given last year. (After some adjustments), award the higher amount. In effect, the Sovereign Grant has a ratchet clause embedded in it - the Grant can only ever go up. Subsequently, say hypothetically due to a pandemic, the Crown Estate makes a loss that year. The Sovereign Grant will not suddenly become negative - the Treasury would have to stump up cash from elsewhere.

[@graham3667]

Thanks for clarifying! Good to see some honesty and integrity from a news source.

[@Kampbell300]

Once again your video is wildly inaccurate, stop using Wikipedia as a source hahaha

[@W4rH3aR7]

If that's the case, then wouldn't the crown estate become a sovereign estate of the republic in the event the monarchy were abolished? I don't know what UK republicans are arguing for exactly, but in a number of European states which made the switch, the estate previously considered a prerogative of the monarchy was confiscated and taken over by the state in order to serve public functions such as hosting ministeries or museums (France and Italy are good examples of this).

[@ProofreadEnglish]

Glad you finally clarified this. I would just add one further point when people talk about abolishing the monarchy. Personally, I believe the Royals serve no useful function, and it is wrong for the Head of State to be a hereditary position. However, due to the nature of their status, it would be near impossible to get rid of them - at least via democratic means. When the late Paul Flynn MP tried to raise questions in Parliament about Prince Andrew's dodgy behaviour, he was cut off by the Speaker, less than a minute into his speech and told that "references to the Royals must be rare, brief, and respectful". And that's before MPs are reminded of their Oath of Allegiance. This is also why historically, the only way monarchs have been deposed is via major events - such as wars or revolutions.

[@BadgerGirl]

That analogy is really wrong. Its nothing like they keys to an office, a closer more accurate analogy that less miss leading would be to equate it to a land trust. Your analogy alludes to the goverment ha ing some right to that land if the monarch was abolished which its dosnt I herently have, obviously this is something that would knly be resolved in a lengthy court dispute but as the land is tied to the crown and the crown is inherited, from a basic starting point the Royal family has the larger claim to its rights.

[@mrxsatyr8459]

"Do we need a monarchy?" The Queen: Are you threatening me Master Jedi?

[@kyledavis463]

It’s treason then

[@mukamuka0]

@@kyledavis463 Queen brings out red glowing rod thing and do flying spins through the air~*

[@weediestbroom]

Dewit

[@terrorgaming459]

@@kyledavis463 diana screaming right now

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

Note the corrupt chancellor was elected, not hereditarily inherited.

[@Soshiaircon91]

TLDR forgot to include all the swans in UK under the royal assets.

[@tersecleric2]

That's not true.

[@amphoramorph2856]

it is. they make up 5% of britain’s gdp

[@tersecleric2]

not all UK swans are crown assets,

[@James-mb3je]

All the swans on the Thames I think and from several other locations. Maybe upto a 3rd of the UK's swans.

[@tersecleric2]

@John Higgins They don't, the Swans in Orkney belong to the people that live there, not the crown.

[@euanwalker922]

“Hosting garden parties and travelling” oh boy how us commoners would love to do some of that right now

[@michaelshore2300]

No you wouldn't

[@euanwalker922]

@@michaelshore2300 why so? Seems an easy life...

[@BastiatC]

@@euanwalker922 imagine doing but with your every move scrutinized by the most insurable people in the country.

[@clairfoy885]

@@BastiatC he would rather have the money go to Soros

[@johann.9271]

To be fair, neither is the royal family. The Queen's been in isolation at Windsor since the pandemic started.

[@jwil4286]

“France hasn’t had a monarchy for 200 years” Napoleon III: am I a joke to you?

[@johncarterofmars47]

Bismark: Yes

[@282XVL]

Hahaha yes, yes you are. There are few better European jokes than Boney III.

[@JustBen81]

They didn't claim that France hadn't had a monarchy for 200 year (at least if you refering to the comment at 6:36) - they claimed that Versailles hadn't been home to royalty for 200 years which is true - the last king living in Versailles was Louis XVI (till October 1789) and all plans of later Kings / Emperors to return didn't come reality.

[@CM-db5cg]

Yes

[@misterb3037]

@@282XVL to be honest other then the Franco-Prussian war his reign was probably more successful then napoleon 1

[@andrewlonghofer]

“Something Germany and France seem to be able to cope fine with” well, they had a couple of tries

[@dcassus]

France is on its 6th attempt at a Republic. Germany is only at its second.

[@edipires15]

@@dcassus you mean 5th attempt for France

[@Otacatapetl]

We tried too. Look how that turned out.

[@nothernstar2576]

Russia tried too, and we had USSR, China tried, they had a fashist republik, broke up, had a large Civil war, and now thwy are communists, shamelessly grabbing the stuff they want

[@themeparkjaden]

France spends more on Macron than we spend on the Royal Family

[@mused89]

"They can't just spend it on what they want, it has to be used on things like garden parties and travel..." - oh, the poor dears, lol.

[@junaidwhatyon3172]

what are garden party's? i always thought it was entertain foreign diplomat's, so we can do trade talks so we have better trade deals.. as kinda like talking clients out for a meal to put them in a good mood for a deal to be made.. am i wrong? o.O

[@kingdomofthewesternsahara-2588]

@@junaidwhatyon3172 your right

[@oddity4650]

Yes aka they can spend it on what they want maybe they will have enother wedding or kid for the tax payees to fund, they are the biggest scammers in the uk them royals, tbf it is mostly the government because the royals get royalitys from the government in the form of a sovereign grant, the government still has the tax payers money to do what the hell they want with it.

[@kellyperry6749]

And have to use it to remodel where they live. Oh the humanity they use it all for things that benefit themselves.

[@kellyperry6749]

@Junaid they are not always just for potential business deals it can be for birthdays too it can be for whatever they want. Its not limited to business.

[@rzrbli]

How did they acquire all that land and estate at the first place, by working hard as honest low-abiding citizens?! Why should we think all their perceived possessions are legitimate?

[@Castle743]

LOL..GOOD POINT Yes everything they have is from the people

[@Castle743]

They took it from the people Work hard for it They don't know What that is?

[@graemekeable8461]

Everything they have is the result of rape, pillage and murder

[@akanbichris6354]

​@@Castle743 they bought the land with their money

[@akanbichris6354]

​@@Castle743 they inherited it from their ancestors 😊

[@darkmos39]

I mean, as a French i don't see why both titles and estade can't be claimed by the people. But you know, French way of dealing with monarchy could be a bit extreme

[@johncarterofmars47]

@Rusty Shackleford must not like your aunt lol

[@jediplop3563]

As a brit I 100% agree, crown estate is not the crowns private property, acting like it is is misleading. Just seize it and then have a net profit that can go to helping way more people than the few in the monarchy, put it back in the NHS.

[@jesseberg3271]

Hey, the Brits were chopping up their monarchs a century before you got around to it. The fact that they changed their minds doesn't change the fact that they came up with the idea first.

[@obdev9473]

The heads of state in France (Presidents, Prime Ministers) have hardly proved to be paragons of virtue, if recent news is to be believed ! Just because someone is elected doesn't mean they'll automatically be somehow better than an imposed monarchy.

[@nathanjones9688]

@@jediplop3563 how is it misleading?

[@s_ainsburys1749]

“It’s treason then.” *Her Majesty pulls out a sabre from out of no where.*

[@barkspawn]

she should try spinning, that's a good trick

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

Not from nowhere. From the bloody stone, mate 🤫

[@Jake-zk3eb]

Then she'll show those pesky republicans her Unlimited Powaaah.

[@arx3516]

Lightsaber? Pfft! She draws Excalibur from an ornate scabbard dangling at her side!

[@lightenergy17]

@@user-nf9xc7ww7m The stone of scone?

[@SteveGouldinSpain]

Their worth, as you have described, is completely at odds with Georgist economics where the only tax one pays is based on land value. Another interesting point is how London is a refuge for deposed royal families from across the globe. I became aware of this when working in Kensington several years ago. I was introduced to prince (so and so) and princess (so and so) all people with titles inherited from diposed royal families, who were hawking their titles to get work in media and finance. Quite frankly as a working class lad who had worked his way up on half-eaten boot-strapps I was quite appalled at how they expected the world to owe them a living just because they had an obscure title.

[@kalyptus31]

Thanks for answering this, I always wondered if there was some numbers we could find about what they bring vs the cost

[@connynielson8686]

There is a cost to human life and the lives they've ruined also

[@timmmahhhh]

"And no the queen's not starting a soda business". Yes because Royal Crown Cola company already took the name. And then to sell it in the Southern US they would also be tempted to come up with their own version of the Moon Pie.

[@34566454332]

Plus it would interfere with the deal with Schweppes

[@vincenthaegebaert1854]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 F-ing TEXANS😁

[@lucaslevinsky8802]

Just use Windsor Royal cola

[@yengsabio5315]

The British people will decide on what to do with their monarchs. As a non-British, I will only observe.

[@nadeemchaudhry6585]

Doubtful we here in the UK will ever be given that opportunity.

[@WowUrFcknHxC]

With lots of popcorn.

[@kerrynball2734]

You need to frame it as choosing between Trump and Queen Elizabeth II. Then the correct answer is plain to all.

[@azullalazuardi726]

@@nadeemchaudhry6585 even if you do, I am curious about technicalities. eg, Alll MPs swore oath of allegiance to the Queen, even with Republican tendency like Jeremy Corbyn. Don't they broke their oath by legislating monarchy abolition?

[@wander1139]

That's kinda how I feel about the whole thing I live in amarica and my country has been on fire for 4 years so every once and awhile I look over at the other dumpster fire and watch

[@Mico605]

Royal family is the British version of the Kardashians

[@redset11]

What utter ignorance! Comparing our RF to the trashy Kardashians. So many comments by people who have little or no understanding of our UK heritage.

[@theo1216]

@@redset11 Agreed utter ignorance! The Royal family is nothing like the Kardashians. The RF makes most of its money off tax payers and has waaaay more scandals. Some even involving minors.

[@jackwhiye4793]

That’s bollox the land they own could be siezed in the name of the republic and the profit from it would be maintained anyway without having to finance the biggest benefit scroungers in Britain

[@williamkarbala5718]

Lol, right? American here, almost every time the British were forced out of a colonial territory the land they once held was redistributed. Besides they stole most of it from the Church anyway.

[@ChristianIce]

That's what we (italians) did.

[@AlejandroGonzalez-rw9kt]

You missed the fact that most of the revenue those lands generate is precisely because they are related to nobility, and, like any other citizen, they have rights Ofer their own property. It is very likely that you do not own a house, but, if you did, would you want it taken away from you?

[@amicus2844]

@@AlejandroGonzalez-rw9kt Yeah a german here. Our former Kaiser family first fled with trains full of stuff made by the german people. They also kept their land and property even though they denied democracy and when the Nazis came to Power our monarch and his fellows pacted with them in hope of restoring their Power. After the GDR had fallen they even claimed the land the soviets conviscated and there is a legal Dispute if they now get the castles in the east which the state repaired for much Money. It is just sad that they got to keep so much and even be greedy.

[@ChristianIce]

@@romitkumar6272 In my country (Italy) when we abolished the monarchy we seized everything. It was the possession of the king... no king, no possessions. In France they cut their heads. I mean, I don't see any problem if a country takes back what a country owns. On the other hand, I don't see that coming in UK. THere are too many people in UK who accept to be second class human beings with inferior rights due to bloodline. They'll grow out of it, with time, but not soon.

[@julianfoster9734]

the house of Lords is and that's what we should be talking about.

[@Somajsibere]

Very much so.

[@addicted2caffeine]

well they are needed if they could actually do anything. lol

[@williamarnold3607]

The house of Lords are there to be a check on the commons but not a hard block as they once were. They can send the law back after changes to be agreed on for example. Forcing a law through the Lords is more importantly a massive show of weakness and makes sure the prime minister isn't trying to pass a law that could be poorly made for example. It's a system that is in need of repair but still has it's use

[@Somajsibere]

@@williamarnold3607 I don t understand why would you need to restrain a democraticaly elected government? Maybe the members of the house of lords should be elected in a diffrent manner? Like one representative from each constituency?

[@andrewfrancis3591]

@@williamarnold3607 When making power changes always look at the proposers. They will be the ones to gain and possibly extend that power not you. Representative democracy does not exist in the UK. Our MP's are wealthy, turkeys do not vote for an early Christmas.

[@dmanvell]

"The opposite of a monarchy isn't anarchy, it's a republic" -- I wish someone would explain this to the Americans. I've lost count of the number of times I've read/heard "the USA is a republic not a democracy", like the concepts are mutually exclusive. 🤦‍♂️

[@kadencollins]

I’m confused by your point here... the US is a republic. It has many democratic institutions but constitutionally the functioning of the republic technically supersedes democracy. That why Trump was president despite having fewer votes than Hillary. Why each state gets 2 seats in the senate regardless of population...

[@fds7476]

They may be right, but probably not in the way they intended. 😅 _"The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”_ - Julius Nyerere

[@michaelkoziana5137]

@@kadencollinsThank you for making his point relevant. A REPUBLIC is a DEMOCRACY. Representative Democracy = Republic = Democracy kinda crazy. Direct democracy is a direct form of democracy rather than voting for representation, which again all of these are democracy.

[@dmanvell]

@@kadencollins They're still not mutually exclusive concepts, the US is a democratic republic. It's a republic by extension of not being a monarchy, not by extension of not being a democracy. Double negative, sorry.

[@UsmanX]

It's a constitutional republic as well as a representative democracy. The 'it is a constitutional republic' is just a cop-out excuse for when people suggest abolishing the electoral college. As I am here I may as well drop my two pennies on the electoral college, it's a redundant system, you have congress which is representative of local districts, you have the senate which is representative of the state as a whole. You have one person one vote for congressional and senate elections, the President should be the same. So to me, it makes sense for the presidential election to be decided by popular vote as the President should represent the entirety of the voting public.

[@shelleysho]

Isn’t the Crown Estate in reality the U.K’s land, not the monarch’s.....

[@lucaslevinsky8802]

Thank you for the unbiased video

[@keeli5575]

You need to do a video explaining to the Americans why Archie dosent have a title. Pretty obvious to us Brits but they seem to think it's because of racism.

[@andrewreid9511]

Totally agree

[@Will_DiGiorgio]

Not to be rude but the people that video would be meant for wouldn't care... They'd just call TLDR racist. The "woke" liberals in my country have ripped the guts out of the word "racism", and use it for anything a white person disagrees with a black person about... For example, I don't like Megan Markel for any other reason then I think she's a dishonest, self important, entitled, brat... Nothing to do with the color of her skin, but I'm sure someone "woke" will see this and call me a racist.

[@RR-kp5ps]

Firstly, this matter shouldn't concern Americans. Secondly, it's because Archie is not in direct line to the throne at the time of birth and has to wait until he is a grandchild of the monarch, right? And some of the other children and grandchildren of women with royal titles inherited their titles from their aristocratic husband or father, right? Plenty of the Queen's other great grandchildren don't have titles, such as Harry's cousin's children. This doesn't mean they will never be in line to succession. Archie was offered an honorary title, but his parents turned it down. It's ridiculous that a once direct royal does not understand this, and instead implying that our Queen is racist, even though he says he "doesn't care". I'm just a commoner and I managed to figure it out in two minutes. Remember when Harry dressed as a Na zi and called his Asian colleague a "pa ki"? Pot calling the kettle black.

[@Edsbar]

Who is Archie?

[@JesusChrist-hd2gr]

@@Edsbar Peter griffins brother

[@chrisk_nfl4120]

The UK government wouldn't give up the Monarchy. This will sound incredibly cynical but why would the PM and the governing body give up a figurehead for an electable head of state that could actively go against the prime minister? We most likely wouldn't become a full on republic like the USA, and I just don't see us abolishing the monarchy. Unless the UK Government just gets rid of the monarchy and make the PM the Head of State, Chief Executive, Commander in Chief and Head of Government (etc) which I just completely doubt would happen The Meghan/Harry stuff is just tabloid drama in the grand scheme of things, I really doubt the Government would change anything

[@MalloonTarka]

Just a side-note: If the UK became a republic, it needn't become one with a presidential system like the USA. Given how the legislative body (parliament) and the government is elected/composed currently, a parliamentary system like Germany or a mixed presidential-parliamentary system like France would be a better fit. In general this would mean you would get a president who may be head of state, but needn't be head of government and certainly wouldn't have as much power concentrated in one person like the USA does.

[@chrisk_nfl4120]

@@MalloonTarka That's a good point, I still don't see the government willingly giving up power tho

[@flappetyflippers]

I agree, I also don't see why it's actually important to remove them, it's not like they're bad for us...

[@mastergs32]

As the others said, the UK could go down the road of a parliamentary republic where the PM is actually also head of state, but after that, it won't be able to call itself the United Kingdom, innit?! :)))

[@chrisk_nfl4120]

@@mastergs32 Yeah that could happen, but I feel like the PM likes the ace up their sleeve in having a monarch who is able to advise/diplomise on behalf of the UK I'd like to think we'd be named the "United Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" which sound immense

[@Dreyno]

“Major financial benefit”. Is it though? Why should they own hundreds of thousands of acres of land that a barely related person basically just claimed in medieval times? It shouldn’t be theirs in the first place to give to profits of it to the state. Tenants on those lands have paid enough in rent to buy it many times over.

[@archiebald4717]

Does that same argument also apply to council houses and their tenants?

[@Dreyno]

@@archiebald4717 I don’t recall council houses coming with land. Or any means of generating income. A council house is a basic home provided at low rent to sustain people’s lives. Last time I checked, nobody in a council house was collecting rent off tens of thousands of tenants. So whatever point you’re attempting to make is lost in the facetious comparison.

[@archiebald4717]

@@Dreyno Council tenants pay rent to the owner of the property, even when the property is already old and its original costs have been covered by the rent already paid, Crown Estate tenants pay rent, whatever the age of the property. Exactly the same scenario. Rent and mortgage are two completely different things. Crown properties are owned by the State, council properties are owned by the State.

[@Dreyno]

@@archiebald4717 Crown properties are owned by the crown. Their income is given to the state. They belong to the sovereign. A council house is a bare bones housing unit. Not an inherited estate with an income of almost 2 billion pounds per annum. And council houses were sold off en masse under the right to buy scheme. Crown land is not.

[@archiebald4717]

@@Dreyno The Crown is not the same as the Monarch. Renting a council house is exactly the same as renting a Crown Estate house, ie they are rented by tenants. They are both rented, that's how it works. You seem to be confused about what 'the Crown' means. Your point was that Crown properties have been paid for by tenants due to the long period of rental payment. A ridiculous point since renting a property is completely different to buying a property. The Crown Estates are not owned by the Monarch, but held in Trust and managed by a Commission. The Monarch receives 15% of the income to cover their official costs, 85% goes to the Exchequor.

[@Frankenmuppet]

You may not have changed my mind, but as always I left your video more informed than I was before

[@Jennifer_Elliott]

Once the Monarchy passes to Prince Charles this conversation will truly take shape.

[@lifewhatsoever]

Does anyone like Charles? Surely this will be the end of the monarchy.

[@chrismckellar9350]

@@lifewhatsoever - William and Kate would be better than Charles.

[@lifewhatsoever]

@@chrismckellar9350 oh yeah that’s for sure

[@bonnie115]

I have a lot of respect for Prince Charles. Always have had.

[@Dan19870]

Very true. The public image of Charles has been damaged, some say irreparably so, after cheating on HRH Princess Diana. There are hopes that the calls for his abdication or abolishing the monarchy are so strong that he steps down in favor of his Son William who will become King William V.

[@spoopytime9928]

I mean, they sure are good for the meme economy...

[@ttt5205]

@@thelightsilent lmao, can I have some of whatever you're smoking?

[@frenchguitarguy1091]

They'll be even better material when we decide to behead them

[@NAYRUthunder99]

@@frenchguitarguy1091 especially when after that the queen gets up

[@olsenfernandes3634]

@@ttt5205 Did you just ask that to a spam program?

[@ttt5205]

@@olsenfernandes3634 In the netherlands we have this saying called, if you don't shoot, you will always miss. As a Dutchy I never turn down a good smoke, so if by any chancce this guy is real I might get something out of it.

[@ImaginaryMdA]

There's no reason to allow the royals to keep their estate after abolishing the monarchy.

[@1987jaffa]

So who is the rightfull owner of all that equity then?

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

Aha, so you want live in mansion you didnt build. Now, I am starting to understand all those "republican" arguments.

[@evilsorosfundedgovernments433]

@@1987jaffa the state, who can either keep it and all of its economic rent or sell it off to the highest bidder depending on their whims. Would serve the public good better than having royals waste it all.

[@Zachary_McLaren]

@@evilsorosfundedgovernments433 so now the government can take anyone's property and land if they want.

[@evilsorosfundedgovernments433]

@@Zachary_McLaren The state has the power to do that anyways.

[@razabadass]

Thanks for the video

[@commandantcousteau6874]

I disagree with removing the Queen,we found a cure of immortality.

[@euansmith3699]

Maybe Madge could be replaced with an Animatronic that can sit in a car and wave; and that can be wheeled out to cut ribbons. That way we need never have another royal funeral or coronation. When it comes to the Royal Prerogative; that could be replaced with a Magical 8-Ball.

[@frazzyten2447]

just need to work out how to get it out of her

[@IamTheHolypumpkin]

Made my day!

[@louisdouble5961]

😂😂

[@seriousmaran9414]

The cure for immortality is always death. I am sure most if us would prefer a little more life.

[@ejc8858]

Can we have a video about the House of Lords?

[@nathanjones9688]

Pretty sure they have one...?

[@lukedudley5030]

Tbf the house of lords have stopped some really destructive policies being implemented in the uk recently so I'm kinda glad they are there at the moment.

[@stevesanders4071]

Brilliant vid

[@S0uti3]

I always find it interesting that people talk about the value of the royal estate as though we would abolish the monarchy and just let them keep all their land

[@runecrafter1198]

it is still legally there land and stealing it would open up a lot of issues

[@S0uti3]

@@runecrafter1198 sorry, I should have been more specific. I'm talking about the crown estates which belong to the monarch representing the crown. Either way you're right in that it's going to be messy and create problems. I just think the benefits of abolishen outway the costs

[@runecrafter1198]

@@S0uti3 yeah i assumed that’s what you meant but the whole stealing things that has been in a family for hundreds of years creates far too many questions and fucks up the whole re brands the uk is trying to go through

[@S0uti3]

@@runecrafter1198 But that land is owned by the crown, not the royal family. It is passed from monarch to monarch, not family member to family member. If the monarchy were abolished the Windsors would have no right to that land, hence it would not be stealing

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

@@runecrafter1198 unlike the family stealing it and keeping it for hundreds of years?

[@iam.damian]

Denmark is a monarchy, but without any House of Lords or nobility. Way to go IMO.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

We can't abolish the aristocracy. Here are the reasons why: 1) The aristocracy is embedded also in the House of Commons and has strong connections with the PM and the Inner Halls of Power 2) The aristocracy is embedded into the economy So yes, the aristocracy is here to stay in the UK for good and forever. Also, you're a commie!!! Stop being a commie!!!

[@inkms]

It's better, but I don't see the point of keeping someone in power just for being born in a certain family

[@HibikiKano]

I'd just like to point out that the House of Lords with its 801 is by law restricted to hold only 92 (11%) nobles (hereditary peers), the rest are spiritual or temporal (non hereditary) while appointed by the Queen but advised and de facto selected by the current Prime Minister. So most aristocracy your house of Lords has is in the name. Also Denmark still has nobility, rank, titles are held and inherited, just no extra probilages granted to the families. As for British nobility. You may correct me if I'm wrong but I have not heard of many instances where the Queen has granted true nobility but instead is slowly letting your nobility die out granting only temporary titles.

[@lewis123417]

Vote for the reform Party then

[@user-nf9xc7ww7m]

@@kamanashiskar9203 The danish and swedish aristocracy existed as well. As you can see, they have been neutralised.

[@MoraqVos]

Nobody decides their holiday destination based on royal families.

[@purpledevilr7463]

I’d disagree with that, ask some yankees.

[@Konstantinos1648]

No but the royal family is famous around the world and the UK without them is just another European country ( in the minds of normal people who don't really know much )

[@PheonixAsh1983]

@@purpledevilr7463 And Japanese.

[@MoraqVos]

@@Konstantinos1648 People come for Castles and Palaces not for Royalty, you can't meet or even see royalty.

[@adamphoon]

My friend is visiting me in Wales from Germany, but wants us to take a trip to London just because he loves the Royal family and wants to see Buckingham Palace

[@MercenarianWolves]

I think that in a debate mostly based on economics (not politics or social tendencies) one of the key questions should also be what would a new public entity that takes the functions of the royal family (if the UK stopped being a monarchy) cost, of course there are functions you could just remove, but also there would be new functions/jobs (for example regulatory organs of this new institution). I think it would be interesting to know in such a scenario the aproximate value. Btw, I'm not from the UK.

[@IvarDaigon]

their role is entirely ceremonial so whatever "functions" they perform could be done just as easily by actors or any random person on the street for that matter. And it wouldn't cost 92 million pounds a year. I mean the president of Germany is mostly ceremonial and he only gets paid 333K Euros a year. That is way cheaper.

[@georgeretsides4293]

they can just tax them like the rest of the population.

[@jamessquirrell1994]

@@IvarDaigon they are not just ceremonial. They also do diplomatic missions and fund many many charities and youth organisations

[@beyondthehorizon1474]

Funny and informative video! ta

[@mickwful]

I was born in Ireland and was in the British army. It was easier to swear allegence to a crown thet broadly represents the country as a whole, than a president that will change and is probably part of a political party

[@hop3106]

How about swearing allegence to The People/The Country directly? Why do you need some clown with a crown to represent it?

[@geoffmcclelland2663]

So you prefer an oath to a person no one elected and there family (including prince Andrews) over an oath to the founding document of the country which is a symbol of the country, and its elected leader? Interesting

[@Bushflare]

@@geoffmcclelland2663 Yes.chad

[@mickwful]

@@hop3106 that would do but was not available to me at the time.

[@mickwful]

@@geoffmcclelland2663 You have misread my comment I said an insitution that broadly represents the country. If they changed the oath to somthing simelar then that would be OK

[@edoardoromussi]

The Monarchy is a “branding” investment for the UK. England is one of the oldest countries in the world and the current royal family dates back from Alfred the Great, the first king of England, in 800 AD. It’s 1200 years of uninterrupted history, no country has such a heritage. I live in the UK and moved here from Italy. Back in Italy everyone looks at the royal family as a landmark, a very distinctive symbol that makes the UK unique. It is, evidently, a very powerful branding that makes the UK stand out. Remove that, and the UK will be seen by the masses around the world as less rememberable, less prestigious, and this eventually will result in less tourism, less interest, less business. It’s the same reason why brands do absurdly costly sponsorships that clearly do not make a profit now, but they will increase the brand visibility. It is a long term investment.

[@vladislavkozub5001]

Briefly interrupted in 1653 though

[@chrismckellar9350]

I agree with you about the Monarchy is a branding investment for the UK.

[@ksec6631]

> no country has such a heritage Japan would like to have a word. :) But yes in general I agree with your point. Most who are against the monarchy are activist. And I would not be surprised if they are partly funded by ( cough ) other nations.

[@tom27jr]

I agree 100%

[@Jotari]

@@ksec6631 And on the non royal side San Marino has been an uninterrupted republic since the fall of Rome! (or at least as uninterrupted as the UK with its whole Cromwell dynasty, some people did take it over a few times, but they quickly gave it back and apologized sheepishly).

[@benemerson1521]

Rly good balanced video . Thank you

[@markeagles8008]

Great video, well balanced and presented thanks!

[@tyronnemccrindle3956]

That's assuming the royals would keep the Crown Estate if the monarchy was abolished. Really that land belongs to the British public.

[@gebys4559]

They don't really own crown estates either: "The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch." So probably after abolishment it would find it's way to the state coffers anyway.

[@yarielrobles9003]

Imagine the uk getting rid of the queen before canada

[@kamanashiskar9203]

I wonder what'll they do?...

[@sageaps]

That would interesting. Maybe they'll become the Canadian royals.

[@Shocked-Face]

@@sageaps they already are, but it would be interesting if that became their main title. Considering how much work it would be to go republican in Canada, I don’t think that will happen any time soon.

[@sageaps]

@@Shocked-Face I know they already are. I just thought it would be interesting if that became their main title.

[@A_Vicious_T-Rex]

@@Shocked-Face another interesting thing is that we're a kingdom in all but name. If they moved here full-time, would we officially call ourselves a kingdom? Or stay as we are?

[@sonofamortician]

I am a naturalised British citizen, and I don't have particularly strong feelings on the subject, personally, I am neither into nor against royalty, but because it matters to so many people I am happy for it so long as it is not a burden, and as far as I can tell when everything is said and done there is a net positive outcome, so go royals, long live the king

[@holoqofholoqqia9503]

As a foreigner this is the only response that to me just makes sense. People like to think that the Royal Family are a burden when in reality it is a net positive. Even if they were abolished I can still see their properties generating a lot of revenue for the state. So why would you want to go through the trouble of changing it up and getting rid of perhaps one of the most recognisable pieces of British History not to mention one of the most resilient symbols in European history. Where other European Royals faltered the UK's Royals survived. Bit of an oversight don't you think? Edit: spelling error

[@ddias85]

Well, as a foreign that used to live in the UK, I can tell you that I thought that the Royal family was mostly an expense, but a relatively low cost expense was bringing something unique to the country... a special identity. Because let's be honest, other European countries (Spain, Denmark) have a monarchy, but the British one is seen worldwide as "the" monarchy. However, in the sense of being just an expense, it is safe to understand why there would be people from the general public annoyed by it. Why should we spend money to spoil a bunch of people? The knowledge that in overall they effectively bring more money than loss (and this based on tangible income), made me have a complete view of the British monarchy, being tempted to say that abolishing it just because you don't like the royals makes almost as much sense as brexit. It is just shooting yourself in the foot again with no good apparent good reason. Thank you for such a clarifying video.

[@anneharton5013]

If aint broken do not fix it.

[@SevCaswell]

Add to that the requirement of the parlimentary system to have a separate head of state, we would either have to rebuild our governing system or have an elected head of state (usually a president) and elections cost serious money. Also there wouldn't likely be much of a saving on security or travel expenses. Given the average politician's desire to put everything, including the kitchen sink, on expenses it might even cost more!

[@TheHannes15]

That the monarchy brings in more money than loss to the taxpayer is basically just their PR. They want you to believe it as this makes them at least somewhat relevant in today's democracy. So there's two ways monarchy brings in money right - the land/property they own + tourism. If the monarchy should be abolished tomorrow, how exactly would these lands stop making money? Land is land and properties are properties, they will exist, be taxed and utilized regardless of their current owners. And the tourism argument is just silly, there is a lot going on in the UK. People don't travel there just because a palace has official royals in it.

[@ddias85]

@@TheHannes15 the lands would not stop generating money... but the money generated by it would no longer go to the state, it would go to the land owners. Gains would be taxed sure, but according to TLDR the nett gain of it could be potentialy a lot less than by just the crown waiving its rights to the state

[@ddias85]

@@TheHannes15 just to continue on the last topic... before abolishing anyhing that is kind of working, be sure that you really understand all the angles. It is not like the uk can afford another brexity situation right now

[@ietomos7634]

Yes. People still go see the French palace's even though the family has been dead for centuries.

[@johnjamesthomson1]

Sorry for hair splitting but there are three potential inheritors to the French Crown, should the monarchy ever be reestablished (lol). Louis XX chief among them. Granted they don't own the formerly regal estates though.

[@Foorakoh]

Interesting fact: the French royalty bloodline still exists! Actually in two different bloodlines

[@aadityarajbhattarai5475]

Nobody is saying to k*ll the british monarchy either, just arguing they could not be gobbling public money and still the palace have value

[@TheConfuciusPanda]

Exactly Versailles is the most visited palace in the world.

[@sxm84]

I think that also has something to do with the French revolution. France has it's own intriguing narrative. Marie Antoinette and the French revolution. We just voted out the monarch is a much less interesting story to tell. Germany has it's own version of Versailles at Potsdam. It's nowhere as well known as Versailles, because the narrative is just not there.

[@lukehillyard4204]

I’m honestly amazed that videos like this continue to argue that the Royal family would somehow be allowed to keep any of it’s wealth (ie. crown estates) if it were abolished. The whole point is to take back their ridiculous, unearned wealth, so the argument that the revenue from the crown estates makes them an economic benefit is plain stupid. That land and it’s revenue is still going to be there when the Royals are kicked out. And besides that, if the Royals really are so important for tourism as Monarchists claim, then why would they stop being so just because their outrageous wealth and public subsidisation is taken away? People who want to see palaces will still come, and for people who want to see Royals, well they’re not going to fall off they face of the Earth because we stop paying them, they’ll still be a celebrity family like the Kardashians.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

What you're looking for is communism

[@olsenfernandes3634]

@@peterzurich3330 Stealing from the rich and making everyone equal is exactly what communism is though? Or are you saying that it's not communism because you're just gonna do that to 1 person because having the title of "Queen" justifies it?

[@olsenfernandes3634]

@fraser You literally have no proof that they're stealing your money though?

[@olsenfernandes3634]

@fraser Did you even watch the video? Because its literally proves you wrong

[@olsenfernandes3634]

@@peterzurich3330 You don't solve poverty from stealing from the rich, you solve it by having good policies.

[@SGProductions87]

Ngl that transition to plugging TLDR Global was flawless

[@mochipii]

The royal family is basically a tourist attractions for England. They should be the one to create revenue for the country instead of the other way around.

[@TheMemirura]

Totally agreed with you

[@JakFool123]

Abolishing the monarchy and taking the royal lands is an option. The lands belong to the "crown", not to the queen or whoever. So if you get rid of the monarchy it makes sense the govt would just seize its estates.

[@drscopeify]

Don't forget the queen in the UK is actually holding an office the same that in the USA us vice-president or prime minister in France of President in Germany, that role is second to the elected leader and it is needed in a democratic system to protect it during elections, transition of powers and so on. That office and role costs money and it is usually more expensive then the current system in the UK plus a royal is for life while each ex vice-president or ex-second person in charge costs money when they leave office every 2 terms or whatnot while a royal like the queen ,well she is there for life... Pretty sweet deal for the taxpayers actually

[@matthewrichard9626]

The crown is a company that the monarch is the head of. Get rid of the monarchy and the crown is still owned by the same person.

[@jeanjacques9980]

Most of the Crown estates were stolen, such as from the dissolution of the monasteries, does this mean that the Crown would have to compensate the church or return stolen property? Ireland is a prime example of stolen land by the crown from the indigenous population.

[@jeanjacques9980]

@John Smith The Church still exists but who in their right mind would want to take on the maintenance of Canterbury Cathedral etc. The population of Ireland is homogeneous many would be able to trace their families back generations, very different in England. Interesting if reparations are ever paid for the slave trade by U.K. government. Only a hypothetical thought

[@jackdeniston59]

@John Smith Tell that to BLM

[@elPajolero]

Short answer: yes, slightly longer anser: yes, they absolutely are

[@tomd5678]

Remember, Camerons first piece of legislation in 2010 was to give the sea bed under off shore windfarms to the queen. Yes, everytime you pay your electricity bill you are donating money to the Crown

[@elselienklein725]

You did a nice research. Interesting!! Question : The EU pays all member states for agricultural land use.The states spread this as agricultural subsidies over the land users. As a EU member the Crown got a huge amount of EU money . In fact the Crown was the biggest EU subsidie receiver of the EU. Did this money go to the Royal household or was it too divided between State and the Royal hh. ??

[@HelloThere-yf4wk]

Good question

[@murrrrrray.]

Well, now the uks not part of the eu

[@mellowado6184]

The EU got a huge amount of money from the UK, so I guess nobody cares..

[@octarinehk]

> This rich family would just take their land back I believe the French had a workaround for this...

[@josephharrison8354]

That being the guillotine. I hope you're not serious.

[@WineZ22]

Well. Lets not use that method 😂😂😂

[@meneither3834]

Jokes aside. The last french monarch abdicated in 1848. He wasn't killed.

[@BeautyDarkly]

There's another aspect that is money related. The Crown has exercised its powers in legislature time and again to protect it's wealth from scrutiny. We have no real idea how much they are avoiding in their 'taxable' contributions because they have bullied (with the royal assent protocol) governments to keep their income/assets hidden. Also from their own website: "The Crown Estate is though owned by the Monarch in right of the Crown. This means that the Queen owns it *by virtue of holding the position of reigning Monarch, for as long as she is on the throne,* as will her successor." The lands really belong to the crown (and thus the country) not to whoever's pale buttocks sit upon the throne. They are Crown Estates not Windsor Estates.

[@jamesgibb9737]

Yeah I was a taken aback when they said we'd hand over the crown estate if we got rid of the monarchy. TLDR news seem to have rather fudged or misunderstood this point!

[@JackW9240]

Long live the Queen

[@georgemaxon4309]

To be fair, the queen doesn’t really need to pay tax. After all, her ancestors literally found the kingdom of England and Scotland and conquered other tow,However, in order to be more contributive to the kingdom, she voluntarily pays her tax.

[@BeautyDarkly]

@@georgemaxon4309 You are right she does voluntarily pay (a portion) of her tax but I'd argue 'Elizabeth Windsor' and 'The Queen' are two very distinct and different bodies in this regard. The Crown and it's holdings belong to the country and thus enjoy tax exemption (but should also be fully disclosed). Anything belonging to the Windsor family that is personal and not state related should be taxed by law like all other personal assets.

[@cerysllosgau698]

The Queen’s ancestors did not found England and Scotland. That was (arguably) the Romans, Anglo-Saxons, or perhaps more recently William the Conqueror, depending on your definition of England and/or Scotland. If you mean Great Britain, that would be the House of Stuart.

[@bibliophilelady6106]

I was talking to my husband when the queen died and he said he didn't know anything about Charles. I said that I thought he was maybe passionate about the environment and maybe Britain would lead the world in trying to save the planet for the next few decades. So then I watched his address the next day and he made it QUITE clear that he was going to immediately stop doing anything useful. It was very annoying. If they are not to use their platform for good, they are essentially fancy Kardashians, just living a reality TV show for entertainment purposes.

[@azza9652]

so you want the monarch to be political? so what happens when they make a decision you don't agree with?

[@mrsigmagrinder8737]

The monarch is not supposed express any of their own opinions. You definitely would not be saying the same thing if you disagreed with him.

[@bibliophilelady6106]

@@azza9652 USEFUL. They are just some lame reality TV show for the masses if they are not useful.

[@Ameriguy99]

It seems like many people in the UK don't realize just how much soft power the monarchy carries abroad. In my head the monarchy is synonymous with the UK. The Queen is the most recognized person on the planet and her image in on the face of over a dozen independent currencies. The Queen and by extention the monarchy have represented the UK on the world stage in a way that would make anyone following American politics jealous. Japan has Aname, Korea has K-pop, the US has Hollywood, France has fine dining, Britain has the Monarchy....its an enormous and really the only source of British soft power on the global stage. If you abolish the monarchy all that's left is Beatles records, Harry Potter and angry football fans

[@rabbitbobo4131]

The few trading partner which UK has left? it is call the common wealth, and its head is the Queen.. so with out the queen there won't even be trading partner for UK. and yes the common wealth doesn't reconise UK but reconise the queen as the head of state, fun facts for those living in the UK.

[@ferddoesweirdthingsinlife1040]

@@rabbitbobo4131 bruh. You really dont know anything about international relations. Countries in the commonwealth have already abolished the monarchy, yet they remained in the commonwealth

[@neko_3851]

@@ferddoesweirdthingsinlife1040 no I'm from a commonwealth realm, while there are some like India which abolished the monarchy, they are 15 of us who still recognize Lizzie as our queen, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Papa New Guinea, almost all of the countries in the Lesser Antilles and Belize.

[@ferddoesweirdthingsinlife1040]

@@neko_3851 I meant that there are some countries who are still in the commonwealth, but also have abolished the monarchy and turned into a republic. I didnt mean all of them. I’m from a commonwealth country as well

[@neko_3851]

@@ferddoesweirdthingsinlife1040 ohh okay, was wondering.

[@Isambardify]

If we abolished the monarchy it would be pretty easy to also revoke crown lands and run them nationally.

[@strabie1963]

I think generally this sets a bad president for wealth seizure and would damage confidence in the UK.

[@ThelostPenguin0]

Ain't happening mate. No longer the guillotine time it's now the rule of law. Property belongs to them.

[@Bushflare]

It's a "Yikes" from me, fam.

[@Red1Green2Blue3]

@@ThelostPenguin0 No it doesn't. It belongs to "The Crown" which is a part of the state. The head of the Windsor family currently administers the lands owned by "The Crown" but they do NOT personally own it. If the Windsor family has their position as the royal family revoked "The Crown" would be integrated into the state. You wouldn't say if we got rid of the prime minister he gets to keep the land owned by the state ffs.

[@ThelostPenguin0]

@@Red1Green2Blue3 No you are wrong, the crown does not belong to the state. Don't spread misinformation. The Crown Estate belongs to the reigning monarch 'in right of The Crown', that is, it is owned by the monarch for the duration of their reign, by virtue of their accession to the throne. But it is not the private property of the monarch - it cannot be sold by the monarch, nor do revenues from it belong to the monarch. The Government also does not own The Crown Estate. It is managed by an independent organisation - established by statute - headed by a Board (also known as The Crown Estate Commissioners). It's basically a independent organisation. If you dissolve the monarch (Not sure that is even possible, since there are other countries that are under the british monarchy it will be for sure a big mess.) Even at disbanding the monarch it will just not revert to the state. Worst case scenerio it will become a independent organisation. Still not belonging to the state.

[@ranjitsamrai7235]

ASK THE ROYALS. The next time you meet a member of the royal family, ask them why they think it is ok to keep taking our money when there is so much poverty in the UK.

[@Fordnan]

Problem is, they won't respond. Their sycophantic fans will, however, spout the same lies in their defence that you can read in these comments.

[@god6384]

lol you could go to jail for asking a "royal" a question unless they explicitly approve of you interviewing them. These people don't just answer questions that would put their wealth in danger....

[@jamest5014]

You make it sound like we could just give out free money, we couldn't if we abolished them, all the money would be spent on a system like a president since someone has to have supreme authority and in reality, would you rather have the queen or trump in supreme authority, even if we did have some money left over, which we wouldn't do you really think the government would spend it on poor people

[@derorje2035]

The question is (for me as a foreigner): did the crown buy the land with their own money in the 11th-16th century or did they buy it with the taxpayer's money? When there was no difference between the country budget and crown budget at that time, the land should be owned by the government not the crown.

[@Worgrunner]

At some level there ought to be a conversation about generational wealth and property. Should land, seized in bloody conquest, now belong to the heirs of that crime for no other reason than their ancestry? Likewise for wealth and property earned in the opium trade, or the slave trade, or by criminal activity? What's the line between money earned with merit versus money earned by circumstance? So long as we continue to allow generational wealth and property broadly, which is profoundly undemocratic, I'm actually okay with the royals because they at least have nominal commitments to public service in return for that wealth. They are still bound to some level of public good. The rest of the wealthy, by hook, crook, or merit, enjoy their wealth in relative privacy, with vast palaces far removed from public access and public eyes. They are a wealthy class removed from most direct ties of obligation to the public which bought their products and worked on their property. The Royals at least perpetuate an ideal that privileges come with attendant responsibilities.

[@gmanon1181]

Probably the ownership dates from feudalism where the king owned everyone. They probably gave land away and because of this some people have land today.

[@daniilfedotov8922]

Pretty sure they conquered it. That's why they called him William "the Conqueror"

[@derorje2035]

@@daniilfedotov8922 so that would mean, I invade another country, own it, and can sell it afterwards?

[@daniilfedotov8922]

@@derorje2035 Yes. That's how wars work. From Julius Caesar to modern Syria it's been always like that.

[@borisgalos6967]

But what you're missing is that the Royal Estate is land owned by the Sovereign not by Elizabeth Windsor as a person. If sovereignty moves from Elizabeth Windsor to the Republic of Great Britain and Northern Ireland those assets move to the Republic as they are now the Sovereign.

[@jamesoakley4570]

The British Republic sounds shit though

[@Bushflare]

Untrue. The power over these things gets handed over to the government via the Monarch at the beginning of their tenure however a change to the negotiation on behalf of the government (or indeed the Royalty) will alter the terms of the deal and will put that stuff back in the hands of the Windsor family until it is renegotiated.

[@KarlMarshall]

The state can just take it back.

[@Bushflare]

@@KarlMarshall Ooh, that's a "Yikes" moment if I ever saw one.

[@Milfhunter_404]

@@jamesoakley4570 perhaps federation?

[@eoghan.5003]

The Crown Estate would ideally be confiscated too. If you're thinking "you can't do that, that's their private property", then: 1) no it isn't. It's not the monarch's personal property, it's a separate legal entity. Look it up. 2) it wasn't acquired as personal property, it was forcefully taken by the state (chiefly during the Norman conquest). This is like saying that if you depose a dictator (which the royals were), you cannot confiscate the lands he took, because it's still his.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

Commie!!!

[@whydontiagreewithyou4985]

But the queen itself is a literal tourist attraction, as well as her guards and does give the UK semblance of prestige with its world-famous and tourist-attracting monarch.

[@thecrimsondragon9744]

@@whydontiagreewithyou4985 The Queen is dead.

[@MondeSerenaWilliams]

@@whydontiagreewithyou4985 If the monarchy is abolished, there'd be more palaces to be made open to tourists.

[@vagp928]

The same paper that allows the uk goverment to benefit from the property says that it is royal land.

[@andremp03]

*just came to read the comments* 🍿🍿

[@jimjonesuk7527]

I like having a royal family in England dont want them to come to an end anytime soon.

[@jimjonesuk7527]

@@basiltozer9078 loool😂😂😂

[@MrJGWIN]

Screw both pepsi and coke, Almdudler is the way to go.

[@kpr8416]

Wenn de kan Oimdudla haum, geh' i wieda ham! 😉

[@quelodequelo]

Agree!! Viele Yodeln aus Italien

[@p0sn]

Spotted the austrian

[@ten_tego_teges]

It's a priceless brand!

[@xxthemasterx3407]

Agreed

[@paulchessum9100]

If we did get rid of the monarchy it would also be sensible to reclaim the land in the crown estate. The land the royals have inherited is just as important as the title.

[@yuvalne]

Exactly. There's nothing saying parliament can't just nationalise the crown estate.

[@alecneate76]

That would require an illegal french style revolution.

[@yuvalne]

@@alecneate76 why? Parliament could just pass a law nationalising it.

[@chewieqtpie]

@Trevor B the royal's ancestors gained that land through war and do you seriously think its reasonable to claim half the UKs foreshore as your own personal property.

[@wintermiller4845]

@Trevor B It's actually state land, because the crown is the state. That's how monarchies work. If they abolished the monarchy, the land should all become publicly owned as it was always owned by the government, and is now. The crown is not a private entity.

[@sirierieott5882]

The question is the same as ‘Is paying rent a waste of money’.

[@jamesgibb9737]

If we get rid of the monarchy do we really just hand back the crown estate? I'm fairly certain the state would hold some of it, or even all of it, either way it would likely be a negotiation and settlement deal. Also capital gains tax?

[@ayushkumar-bg1xf]

in every other crown estate and property became national property . in India , France , russia etc all property of royals became national property and got managed by country.

[@thalesvondasos]

@@gratitude6573 Why would they be entitled to the land?

[@thatmarchingarrow]

@@ayushkumar-bg1xf Yes, but it seems unlikely to me that there would be an anti-monarchy revolution in Britain any time soon, so if the monarchy were to end, it would have to be done through different means. And that leads to different outcomes, so we can't really tell what would happen with the Crown Estates. There would probably have to be some sort of negotiation.

[@drscopeify]

Don't forget that the Queen holds an official role which is that of vice-president in the USA, prime-minister in France or President in Germany, a second to the elected leader, that role is to protect the democratic process, to approve election results, to help transition power between leaders which you could see work in full force recently in the USA. That role requires and office and an official and that does not come cheap and actual may end up costing much more than the royal family current costs the UK, and every former president of Germany or vice-president in the USA is paid retirement funds in the millions each year, since the UK has a Royal for life in that position it actually is a pretty sweet deal since they don't need to pay each former official of that position.

[@thalesvondasos]

@@drscopeify What are you talking about?! Every former German president gets an honorary income of ~200 000€ per year, not millions.

[@sohopedeco]

I find the discussion about letting the royals keep their estate in the UK kind of funny. Nearly all other countries that abolished their monarchies simply had the state just ceize all of the monarch's property.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

But compared to those Monarchs who were tyrants, the British monarchy did nothing wrong. I wonder if they think the UK will be a great place to invest in when the just robbed a huge amount of private assets just because it was part of their ideology

[@MightyMarsh]

Can't really say you live in a civilised democracy if you can just seize anyone's land that they legally own when they have done nothing wrong. Regardless if you like/dislike the royal family.

[@ArturoSubutex]

@@MightyMarsh That's not true. The Crown Estate isn't the Queen's property, it's the Crown's property, and the Crown is inseparable from the State. Which makes perfect sense when you think about it for a second.

[@stephenconnolly1830]

@@ArturoSubutex - exactly. I find it deeply frustrating and offensive to learn that the monarch owns the British seabed and foreshore. This should be state owned public territory fair and square.

[@aaron3951]

@@ArturoSubutex True, but the Queen also owns properties and estates privately. Sandringham is an example.

[@theanglo-lithuanian1768]

They give us tourism income and are key to our diplomacy (E.g. Commonwealth). They also provide us some nice culture, it would be boring if every democracy was a Republic. Americans pay more for their president and his family then we do for our Royal family.

[@olsenfernandes3634]

Our Royals pay us!

[@microscott]

Very well said 👍

[@juniorbriandunn]

I was half way threw this vid when the news of the new £200million yacht git announced by sky news no better timing

[@GdeMontaud]

The Crown Estate argument seems weak, you can always expropriate them.

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

They literally make that argument about buckingham palace earlier and then somehow “the crown“, which would be abolished, still gets to keep the vast lands their ancestors straight up took from the british people? The crown estate argument is completely void of any value.

[@totemictoad4691]

you have to be very careful bout 'we will just take those assets' as unless its a revolution what you are infact saying is the government has the power to take private property from a private citizen because they think they shouldnt have it,,, in a revolution thats kinda the point, in peace? is that a power you really want your government to have, is that a power you want Bojo the clown to have?

[@BewegteBilderrahmen]

@@totemictoad4691 the monarchy is not a private citizen, neither is the queen as head of the monarchy. The state already has the power to seize private property for the common good, and these properties belong to the queen as head of the monarchy, not lizzy mountbatten the citizen. You're essentially also arguing that the monarchy is allowed to take possessions by force and keep it. Don't be dumb, please.

[@maxbello704]

@Guillermode De Montaud expropriation is done by banana lands the UK does respect its royalty and private property.

[@margaritales9972]

6:40' 'even if they haven't been home to royalty for 200 years' - and a head coming off, brilliant 😂

[@jasonwilliamtjandra]

That's Louis XVI head, but the last monarch is Napoleon III 😂 but the years is correct

[@michaeljf6472]

Britain: A queen who acts as a proper president USA: A president who behaves as if he were a king

[@CedarHunt]

The difference being that the US has actual power while the UK just pretends to still be relevant.

[@Bushflare]

@@CedarHunt *shrug* It works for us.

[@teresawilcox8737]

@@CedarHunt well they get to veteo or make the necessary changes to anything in the proposed laws they don't like, or which may affect them before they get to Parliament.

[@georgemcdonald8470]

Agreed - I’m not saying it’s fair but it is hardly surprising that when you invest in training someone to represent their nation from birth you get a better product!

[@user-fi2fk2ei7o]

@@CedarHunt The Queen still has a lot of power in theory she can just dissolve parliament and appointed a cat to be prime minister and no one can reject that because everyone in UK is her subject in theory

[@starsoffyre]

When I travelled to the UK, I visited Buckingham palace. But it was just something to check off the list of attractions. I plan to visit the UK again, but it's really because of the extensive museum collections and history.

[@-spudman2.054]

Same people that want to abolish the monarchy also want to empty the museums and collections... So dont misplace your support for them

[@Mi-ge9so]

nobody cares if the royals are in power or not, they just want to know the history and thats it. They dont need to be in power for that

[@starsoffyre]

@@Mi-ge9so True, the reason it's an attraction is because it is anachronistic in our modern world today.

[@another131]

Wait if you'd abolish the monarchy what says you'd also have to give them 'their' lands? Stupid question maybe, but why not go all the way and just keep the historical buildings, lands, stop paying their expenses, and they can keep whatever's left?

[@another131]

@@gratitude6573 My assets weren't funded by generations of tax payers. At that point those buildings belong to the public in my eyes. The people living in them have, or should have, no political power or role outside of symbolic uses or nostalgia.

[@owenstarkey1941]

Well it would violate all property rights laws. It belongs to the ruling monarch

[@04nbod]

I always find comparisons with Versailles hilarious. Versailles has more visits precisely for the reason France has no monarchy. Its splendour is outrageous. Its an infinitely superior palace. So much money was spent on it.

[@DjDolHaus86]

Are you suggesting that Buckingham palace is furnished like a council house?

[@04nbod]

@@DjDolHaus86 No but it also doesn't have a giant hall of mirrors!

[@myamdane6895]

Perhaps the French beat English on decadence

[@VladimirPutin-on9xq]

Yoko: I broke up the Beatles. Meghan : Hold my beer

[@964746568]

hahahaha!!! epic!

[@appleslover]

@@thelightsilent what are you smoking?

[@BuddysDIY]

Even tho I live in america and don't care at all what the uk waste their money on.. I gotta say that was a really high quality well done video. Good job to you and your team

[@pauledwards4333]

The monarchy is stable respected, so even when general elections produce idiots as prime minister's, the stability remains like a security blanket. A president would cost more and as USA proved with Trump upset the stability. Yes the royals like others are rich but a small benefit when you are living in a bubble watched all the time and lose any privacy like a normal person. I am grateful to them all for accepting that life style, except for Harry of course.

[@BuddysDIY]

@@pauledwards4333 it wasn't so much the president but the media is vicious here. Literally nothing could happen and they will make up anything to get views. They want drama because drama=views=money.

[@Thommadura]

The Royal Family is just another TOURIST ATTRACTION for England and should be valued in that manner. AS a result, the fact is the tourism that the royals generate is FAR greater than the amount spent to support the Monarchy and therefore is NOT a waste of money.

[@halffastcycling]

Why did this pop up suddenly in my feed in September 2022!? RIP E2R.

[@paulraider2001]

Look mate, strange women lying in ponds and distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

[@Bushflare]

Be quiet!

[@PeterAuto1]

thanks

[@andrewfrancis3591]

Agreed, but take power from the Queen who are you going to give it to? How much more will they want?

[@joelshiels1925]

Getting rid of the monarchy sorta screws up the name, United Kingdom.

[@Obi_boy]

Well the name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland....

[@philipschloesser]

I would visit the shit out of the United Republic

[@Obi_boy]

@@philipschloesser more likely to be England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales. No United

[@philipschloesser]

@@Obi_boy Or any other partition of the four, true...

[@007211sam]

@@Obi_boy not for long

[@les-fauxmonnayeurs9887]

It's not the cost, it is the principle of paying someone to make them feel superior to you.

[@intimedal]

they are tho

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

Miss Meghan and american media show us every day, that the cost of paying actual royals is worth every penny and more. Btw. you can keep Mr. Macrón for free.

[@rhiannejones3815]

The RF are and do not act superior especially when you stay comparing to leaders in other countries and even celebrities

[@les-fauxmonnayeurs9887]

@@OkurkaBinLadin you can convince yourself that having hereditary jobs is fair and morally right

[@les-fauxmonnayeurs9887]

@@intimedal based on your evaluations

[@blackflagdoomguy]

Does TLDR news not realise that the monarch holds the crown estates by virtue of being the monarch and that if we abolished the monarchy then the state would own ALL the crown estates?

[@totemictoad4691]

nope, not how that works, the deal was the king gave all his profits to the government, thats still property, like any other land owner, and as most big land owners in the uk are Tories by politics i doubt a conservative government would abolish land ownership

[@blackflagdoomguy]

@@totemictoad4691 no, the monarch doesn't own the property, the crown does. That's why the crown estates are handed down to the next monarch, regardless of typical asset distribution following a death. I'm not suggesting the abolition of property, I'm suggesting we take the land that's rightfully ours back from a family of inbred oligarchs.

[@govb123]

Brits only pay the monarchy pennies compare to our Thai king over here.

[@govb123]

And anyone who criticize are jailed or dead.

[@kamanashiskar9203]

@@govb123 You used a VPN, right?

[@flappetyflippers]

People complain about our monarchy, this is not how you run a monarchy.

[@L1d0]

People talk about how old fashioned having royalty is and why the UK should be abolished. We aren't the only country in the world that still has it. Whether it be a King or Emperor there is still quite a few out there.

[@thealphasam7350]

Of course keep the monarchy, who would you replace it with? A president? Germany has a president and if you're not german, you probably never heard of him. In Slovakia, there are full-blown elections for a useless man in politics. Queen / King of England is a figurehead for everyone, not just for half of the population. It's definitely better to keep a monarch if you have one.

[@lordsamofcasltes]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@DaveJNoel]

"figurehead for everyone" that is simply untrue.

[@Falcrist]

Why would abolishing the monarchy require you to have a president? Just keep the commons, and ditch the royalty and nobility.

[@thealphasam7350]

@@Falcrist And who would be the head of a state? Johnson? There's a thing called separation of powers, every country has a head of a state. If you appoint the prime minister or a member of some party to serve the role, there would already be discontent from much of the population and a party preference, only other option would be to have a non party representative a.k.a. the president or some other title that would serve the same role

[@notimput]

There is a very good reason you've never heard of the president of Germany, if you look into what happened to and around President Hindenburg you might understand why the presidency of Germany is what it is today. Believe me, they've tried a different route before and, oh boy, did it go wrong!

[@d.h.dd.h.d.5230]

But what of the expenses for staffers for all those residencies & military guards?

[@goldminer754]

The last argument on the Crown Estate is flawed. Why not just expropriate the Real Estate when abolishing the monarchy?? It is not like they build or earned any of it themselves. The land was "given" (robbed) from the people in the first place anyways and the buildings were built by peasants and/or slaves.

[@fwcolb]

If you believe these things, do you also believe in the abolition of private property in land? After all, most private property was alienated from common land used by peasants. It's just a matter of time, centuries and millennia. Confiscate all the common land privatised by enclosure Acts? You would probably lose the land your house sits on. And BTW you count among the twits who believe the Crown Estate is the private property of the monarch.

[@goldminer754]

@@fwcolb I dont care who exactly the Crown Estate belongs to, but as I understood here that it belongs to the house of Windsor or members of the monarchy in some form. And yes I think the amount of land and real estate property private people and profitoriented businesses are allowed to own should be limited.

[@luis06211986]

The royal family is one of the key parts of British soft power.

[@arthas7]

What soft power do they exude? Maybe some over Canada, Australia and wherever they are still ceremonial head of state

[@luis06211986]

@@arthas7 much of the American population likes the royal family which secures their soft power with the british people> you also have the commonwealth which was developed by the royal family and still facilitates relationships with many former colonies. This is to say nothing of India being one of the most Angelofile nations on the planet.

[@arthas7]

@@luis06211986 on the last point, that era has long gone. The only thing on any Indian mind is to get the kohinoor back 😂

[@luis06211986]

@@arthas7 lol true.

[@321backlip]

It wasn't last week's interview that changed my opinion, it was Andrew's.

[@1chish]

So why should an innocent man change your views? Please do explain I am all ears.

[@avancalledrupert5130]

@@1chish need laugh react.

[@1chish]

@@avancalledrupert5130 These people are just trolling. When you ask them for facts they are gone like a fart in the wind...

[@Dianuxkasfenix]

@@1chish you mean...how he is involved in a sex scandal and is accused of raping young girls? To the point the Royal Family had to hide him, even during his own daughter's wedding? Either you live under a rock or you are the actual troll.

[@1chish]

@@Dianuxkasfenix Oh spare me the 'you must be' presumptions. It makes you look even more dumb than the rest of your comment makes you. Andrew is NOT involved in a sex scandal. Your first lie. Neither is he accused by anyone of 'raping young girls'. Your second lie. The Royal Family have not 'hidden him' either. He voluntarily withdrew from public duties after he apologised on air for maintaining contact with Epstein after his first jail term ended. He didn't hide it and apologised for a bad error of judgment. Your third lie. He chose not to attend his daughter's wedding (publicly) to avoid the press spoiling her day. He was there but out of sight. Your fourth lie. So 'Randomly Di' you peddle utter lies for some reason only known to yourself. You have neither facts nor sources. You are, in short, an idiot Trolling in the most disgusting way. Meghan would be proud of her little disciple.

[@margaretmcnamee6411]

Do Brits really think that tourists will not come to view Buckingham palace or the tower if you no longer pay any taxes to keep the monarchy going

[@seanpol9863]

Not all of us. According to figures from the Association of Leading Visitor Attractions (ALVA), and the Royal households own figures for their residences, Buckingham Palace is at best the 69th most popular attraction in the UK. Windsor Castle does better but it's still only at number 18 behind Chester Zoo, Somerset House, Edinburgh Castle, and the Botanic Gardens in Kew. Kensington Palace which attracts visitors most of the year comes in at 68 on the ALVA list. The Tower of London on the other hand is the ninth most popular destination in the UK and the Royals haven't lived there or had much connection with it for centuries. And this is the point, palaces and castles attract interest because of their history, not because of today's Royals. Get rid of the monarchy and places like Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle can be fully opened up to tourists all year (bearing in mind these places aren't open all year round as they are after all real Royal residences, which potentially means lost revenue to the UK), funding their own upkeep through ticket sales and offering a unique glimpse into Britain's past. Buckingham Palace for example is thought to contain one of the largest and most valuable art collections in the world, including the largest collection of Van Gogh paintings, yet it's all hidden away. The palace has the potential in a republic to become a world-class museum and gallery open all year round. Imagine, the garden walls and gates taken down, the road between the Palace and Green Park pedestrianised, along with the Mall and people being able to wander through the grounds and the courtyard. Now that would attract more visitors, potentially bringing in more money to the UK.

[@kaisamuels9382]

my question is what is @TLDR News personal view on the monarchy ?

[@thomaschinyere-ezeh6676]

I work in central London, and I can tell you that from an economic and identity standpoint the royal family is NOT a waste of money in any shape or form. Before covid, the Mall is completely surrounded by tourist of all ethnic persuasion. Summer time you can hardly get through. Because of the royals identify, and image. There is wonder and gravitas that brings tourists with fat wallets across the world to come and spend a large amount in central London, and bollster the economy. They generate far more income than they cost. For that I have no doubt.

[@geoffmcclelland2663]

Thank you. I like it when people use feelings, assumptions and anecdotal evidence rather than facts. It's why I like how hard the monarchy tries to hide how wealthy they are. Information like that would just get in the way.

[@w300x]

There's also the argument that they help diplomacy, sending a senior royal to a country can help our bargaining power.

[@thomaschinyere-ezeh6676]

@@geoffmcclelland2663 sometimes when you're working within a situation your eyes tells you how things go. Just like a shop you see everyday with noone going in. You know very well it will soon go out of business. Just like I know from walking across so many areas and seeing soo many closed or closing businesses that covid and lockdown is going to have a long and impactful dent in many industries especially traditional retail. A brain and eyes tells you the truth without the stats

[@geoffmcclelland2663]

Thomas Eze brain and eyes only tell you a part of the story, go past a night club during the day and you could think it's going under, there's a reason why eye witness are one of the least reliable forms of evidence.

[@thomaschinyere-ezeh6676]

@@geoffmcclelland2663 the brain is there to rationalize the factor that a night club would probably not be trading in the daytime, not the best analogy to use there.... Eye witnesses btw are strong aspects of evidence, as long as they are credible. Circumstancial evidence is the least reliable....

[@FeooTubee]

What an amazing insightful and we'll researched video! As a Brit I've been wondering so much about this for years! Thanks!

[@marek_broda]

Yes, next video

[@kadennelms8419]

As an American I don’t see why it would be needed. Why waste the money? You wouldn’t even need to have current royals to keep the tourist dollars coming in. Turn Buckingham Palace into a museum you can tour, they’ll make billions turning all the old royal shit into a tourist park or set of museums. Would still get the money without the bad press you get from men like Prince Andrew.

[@emizerri]

Let's spin this with a different question: How many tourists does France get per year despite not having a monarchy?

[@dl4350]

yea but ours would go down even further without it

[@ArturoSubutex]

@@dl4350 there's absolutely no grounds for this claim

[@vincentfrimpong4665]

people go to france for wine, art, food, and romance, for the uk honestly the monarchy is one of the top 3 reasons, the first time i went to the uk it was probably my major factor for tourism.

[@steveprice695]

@@vincentfrimpong4665 Here are most of the major London tourist attractions you could do in a one day walk. Start at Westminster station. London Eye is across river; Parliament, Big Ben and Westminster Abbey are across road. Walk through St James Park to Buckingham Palace. Up the Mall to Trafalgar Square. Along Haymarket to Piccadilly Circus. Through Leicester Square to Covent Garden. Down to the Strand. That is a morning's walk. Take a double-decker bus to St Paul's. Across the Millennium Bridge to Tate Modern and Globe Theatre. Walk along South Bank or take tube from Blackfriars. Go to Tower Bridge and Tower of London. That covers just about anything a tourist wants to see. Inly one has a real connection to the modern monarchy.

[@04nbod]

Lets spin this with a different question: Would France get more tourists per year because its much larger, has a warm southern coast as well as a cosmopolitan capital city?

[@solartoast8043]

I forgot about the crown estate. And now I understand why we're propping up the housing market every Budget...

[@7o5]

Its 2021, surely have have out grown archaic ideas like bloods lines and monarchies.

[@ninamimi6622]

Why does the cost matter? If a dictatorship was cheaper should we go for that? The bigger question should be what is an unelected family doing at the top of a democracy?

[@ShipsandGames]

The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy, not a Democracy.