ECW Heat Wave 1999 Review | Wrestling With Wregret

[@mrterp04]

There should’ve been an entire stable of Justins-Justin Credible, Justin Case, and Justin Time

[@mjpraetorian4386]

My god... They'd be unstoppable

[@SpiralPoli]

They could've had a "Justin Sufferable" that was a really annoying idiot that would cost them matches until they kick him out of the stable. Justin Case would be their insurance policy. "Just In Case". If Credible and the gang were in a jam, he'd be the powerhouse who'd bail them out. Justin Time would always be there for his buddies, and at the right time. He'd be there if Justin Credible or anyone else in the stable was I'm trouble to even the odds. This all sounds stupid but it's funny.

[@ShowTymeDollarS850]

Justin Spired 😁

[@JeremyBearimy913]

That's Justin Sane...

[@scottalderson8673]

Ok Vince

[@monkeyman5866]

To realize that Bubba started his ECW career with a stuttering gimmick really makes this promo a lot funnier to me.

[@Ilriz817]

Mongo Vyle was a thing

[@JohnDoe-kv3kd]

@nemo pouncey What a legend. A crazy, brutal, hardcore legend. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.

[@dustincongello5802]

He started his wwf career with the stutter gimmik

[@quentinparhiala9415]

Bubba Ray started doing the stutter gimmick in WWE

[@monkeyman5866]

@@quentinparhiala9415 He also started his ECW career with the stutter gimmick.

[@brandonyouth5241]

"unnecessary shaky cam" Somewhere, 1999's Kevin Dunn is taking notes.

[@MichaelPuterbaugh]

ECW camera operators were tipsy. WWE camera operators are having grand mal seizures

[@JM1993951]

Bubba: No, you are not hitting me with a fucking katana. New Jack: ok. But I got this vacuum Bubba:…….fine, I guess

[@dyrr836]

Knowing the kind of legit hate New Jack and the Dudleys had for each other around this time, I think it's safe to say Bubba got off lucky with that one lol.

[@erichogan5291]

Steve Corino is one of the most underrated talkers on the mic. He's a heat magnet.

[@Splattermelt]

Punk essentially based his early career off of him. I remember seeing Punk for the first time and thinking it was Steve.

[@RaccoonRevolution]

Dreamer forcing Tajiri to keep him in the Tarantula so he can't defend himself against Taz might be the single most anime thing I've ever seen in wrestling.

[@skippythealien9627]

"shift gears drastically" going from Hulkamania to ECW....that still feels like an understatement. haha keep up the great work Z-Man!

[@comixproviderftw_02]

What a leap.

[@alejandroaguilar8797]

Jason look like an off-brand Buff Bagwell when he came out to face jazz

[@KegOfMeat]

Always get a kick out of these Retro PPV reviews and especially ECW ones because it’s so interesting to see what the company was doing and who they had.

[@makaveli4205]

Lot of hall of Fame wrestlers started out there. Best independent wrestling show of all time.

[@makaveli4205]

@nemo pouncey Stone Cold ripped off the sandman's gimmick

[@KegOfMeat]

@@makaveli4205 but did it better.

[@KegOfMeat]

Also watched the tag title rematch from a few weeks later and one of the Dudleys gave Balls a couple of chair shots that left massive dents in it

[@Ashannon888]

I was really impressed how Super Crazy covered the slip by just jumping of Sal. And Good job on Sal for going with it, you can tell he wasn't expecting that.

[@ComXDude]

The Tidal Wave is a really underrated tag finish, in my opinion. Also, you missed a moment to call the groin conchairto the "cockchairto."

[@joem5909]

Oh boy. I attended this show, kinda spur of the moment unlike the previous year where I bought my ticket months in advance. And yeah that Dudley Boys promo had nuclear heat!

[@dyrr836]

Spur of the moment purchase and then you end up witnessing a historic promo lol. Bet you're glad you went through with it.

[@stevenmckinley9590]

Me, my dad, and my brother all sat down a bit ago and decided to watch a random ppv. We decided on this one and when we saw that Dudley’s promo we were in awe. That is one of the funnies and most shocking promos I’ve seen. We loved every minute of it

[@dspsblyuth]

What’s a “ bit ago”?

[@dyrr836]

This sounds like a great time. I remember me and my brother watching the Ric Flair promo in TNA where he talks about fucking a racehorse and we were both in utter disbelief at what we heard. Not nearly as wild but still.

[@georgemetcalf8763]

Some day there will be Road Wild '99. The use of the porta-potty in the match between Macho Man and Dennis Rodman practically write the jokes themselves. I really hope to see it covered before WrestlingBios gets to it on his timeline covering the Monday Night Wars week by week.

[@BlackieMike14]

I love how all the wrestling KZbin are basically a mini multiverse

[@JorrenT]

Hey man, I know this is an older one but as I go through and find shows I want to watch videos for, I just want to say thank you for making these. Thanks for being even keeled, thanks for making it about the craft and not reaching for the low hanging fruit of hot takes or taking wrestling too seriously. Appreciate you, dude.

[@marquan1976]

The TAZ vs Tajirir ending was insane. That was a lot of blood, no wonder Joey say "Go Wide! Go Wide!"

[@scottotd]

I would've said the same for Taz wearing a bucket hat.

[@michaelsinger4638]

TNN execs where there, which played into it I think.

[@derrickwilliamsjr.7398]

Did they ever shown a close up of that scene?

[@marquan1976]

@@derrickwilliamsjr.7398 I saw a close up pic in the ECW Magazine afterwards

[@kevinconleysage2659]

From what I remember at the time Taz was choking him out with a strand of barb wire

[@CardPlayingStrategies]

Every suplex was a Tazplex. There were all kinds: German Tazplex, T-Bone Tazplex, Northern Lights Tazplex, Head & Arm Tazplex, Belly to Belly Tazplex, etc....

[@heisensaul5538]

a fisherman Tazplex, gut-wrench Tazplex, a snap Tazplex, standing tazplex

[@ch-pg6gl]

Bayley to Belly Tazplex, Regal Tazplex, Perfect Tazplex lol

[@heisensaul5538]

@@ch-pg6gl as much as the Perfect Tazplex makes me laugh, I think it's the same as the Fisherman Tazplex lol

[@ch-pg6gl]

@@heisensaul5538 True. Perfect Tazplex is pretty much a renamed Fisherman Tazplex lol

[@heisensaul5538]

@@ch-pg6gl tbh I just like the idea of putting Taz's name in any wrestling move if can fit. Sweet Taz Music.

[@ReflectionOfPerfection]

Popularity wise ECW leapfrogged WCW by the end of 99, just a shame they couldn't hang on financially

[@tyrone5969]

By ratings, PPV buys, and merchandise sales? If true, I've never once seen or heard it, and would genuinely appreciate stuff to read about it. No sarcasm here. WCW was an absolute mess in 2000 and ECW was gain steam. But, just based on their TV deals and marketing platforms, I'd be honestly surprised to learn this. I mean, I sincerely would like to read something about it, and would love to this to be true. I certainly watched more ECW than WCW.

[@ReflectionOfPerfection]

@@tyrone5969 That's what I meant. WCW had better buys, ppvs, etc in name only because they were the bigger company. ECW quality wise buried WCW in 99-00 even tho the numbers didn't show it. Rob Van Dam vs Jerry Lynn or pinata/Judy Bagwell on a pole...gee, which sounds better?

[@makaveli4205]

Even Dusty Rhodes tried to save ECW towards the end

[@ReflectionOfPerfection]

@@makaveli4205 Scott Hall jumped ship too, too bad his appearances weren't televised because they lost their TV deal

[@hvaleos666]

You know it's gonna be a good day when Zane uploads a classic ppv review and it's E C DUB

[@willkayl8793]

It’s a shame that Taz was a killer in ECW but, immediately became a jobber in WWE. What a missed opportunity.

[@benjaminmarshall9298]

Sorry what... Taz had a huge push at the begin he's debut was at the Royal Rumble and he won in minutes against Angle choking him out the crowd was loving him... But he did a huge botched Suplex and Vince McMahon was freaked out by this and pissed off and the fact the wwe changed it's policy so he couldn't use a certain move as it became illegal

[@Xxrocknrollgod]

@@benjaminmarshall9298 he’s short that’s why Vince hates him

[@benjaminmarshall9298]

@@Xxrocknrollgod not the fact he wasn't good enough either Jr backs this he just wasn't good enough and what they expected... And the fact he was dangerous to work with when you injury people and freak out the Staff and Owner then you are FUCKED

[@KingKhanate1997]

A shorter stature, injuries and lukewarm booking following his debut are to thank for that. As much as I love Taz as ECW champion, I think he had a definite ceiling outside the company. And he has had a great career post-retirement in commentary.

[@clarencesimmons8580]

Danny Doring with Amy Dumas Miss. Congeniality before LITA debut with Essa Rios and Shit!!!!

[@ofs82]

The RVD feud may have built a lot of Lynn's legacy (the old matches with Waltman in Minnesota are highly rated but were obscure in comparison), but simultaneously it helped cement RVD's. Yes, RVD already had star power, but if you look at his longer matches prior to the Lynn feud, a lot of the time they're kind of disjointed showcases of moves, the matches with Lynn really helped elevate him from a wrestler who just linked spots to a wrestler who put on great matches filled with spots.

[@davidjsaul]

I wonder how much of that was RVD though and how much was Lynn laying those sequences out. I like RVD but he couldn't really replicate that with anyone else (e.g., Jericho or Guerrero or Benoit, all of whom were capable of it). RVD was always more of the showman whilst Lynn was the solid wrestler of the matches.

[@ottagol1985]

I still remember how great a tag team Chris Chetti and Nova were. Also, in case you're wondering: Chetti had a gimmick that poked fun of Ricky Martin, who was big at the time.

[@makaveli4205]

How about the eliminators

[@ottagol1985]

@@makaveli4205 Them too.

[@hvywghtheaver]

Our backyard fed had a few guys from another backyard fed join us. One of their names was Justin Vincible. We had a rule in our fed that we would not copy the big three. He was forced to change his name.

[@jonagro558]

ay my guy I respect the grind man been a subscriber since you only had 21,000 subscribers, keep up the great work man you deserve it your super dedicated

[@CAD9686]

Really grateful to you Brian for all these reviews, helps me learn about past wrestling and you always give such great backstories to the PPVs and the goings on at the time!

[@Oxmen33]

Cyrus making bald jokes is pretty funny

[@patbroadbent8415]

Danny Doring and Amish Roadkill were a really cool underrated tag team.

[@jamalvargas6146]

I'm More Of a WCW Person But The Original ECW had it's merits plus It was innovative

[@makaveli4205]

WWE ripped off ECW during the attitude era

[@dyrr836]

@@makaveli4205 Yeah that's like undisputable especially remembering that before the Attitude Era began they had a working relationship for a bit. I do think that WWE's version ended up diverging enough to be distinct but I don't think you can deny that they cribbed a lot from ECW's style with the concepts.

[@remilew519]

Finish of Tajiri/Taz was Taz taking a piece of barbed wire from the set and choking Tajiri with it. Reckon that cameras pulled wide because of the upcoming TNN television deal.

[@Dane2Blame]

Jerry Lynn vs RVD is like chocolate and vanilla it cant go wrong. Their chemistry was great

[@dyrr836]

One of those pairings that's just guaranteed to produce a great match.

[@MetalMe55iah]

1 of 3 ECW ppvs I attended, it was so much fun at the signing before the show

[@marilynknepper1953]

I was at this show. Great show. ECW live was amazing. Met New Jack, . Saw guy take a swing at Bubba Ray at a house show in Dayton. Went to the first TNN tv in Toledo but for some reason they only showed one match from that show on tv. It was a flaming double table match Dudley Boys vs Spike and Balls . Great times

[@RKStud1350]

Toledo was a mess of a show. TNN didn't like the footage. I was there too.

[@kenterminateddq5311]

10:02 This promo is so vicious towards the crowd that it makes Shane Douglas's ECW promos towards Flair sound like a Jimmy Snuka promo.

[@JDGansGaming]

Could one argue that Taz was the original Suplex City?

[@Splattermelt]

No. No one would argue that. Brock is a ripoff of both Goldberg and Taz. Except that he only knows how to do one Suplex.

[@christopheriverson7103]

Well look at that someone taking tag team wrestling so serious they end a ppv with it without titles on the line.... respect....ecw forever....👍🏾

[@kael2450]

The Tidal Wave is such a neat Tag Team finish, wish someone would use it now.

[@jamminmusicman]

Awesome video Z Man 💯 Bubba Ray Dudley's promo will forever be legendary you could feel the heat from the crowd in that promo 😬 keep doing more ECW ppv reviews buddy 💪

[@tommyt6961]

surprised you didn’t mention at 11:30 that right before bubba hits spike with the street sign, he goes “HEY SPIIIIKE” followed by the amazing sound of that sign bouncing off of poor spike dudley’s skull

[@mrbransformer4184]

Here from Wrestling Bios while he’s on break, this channel is great also!

[@lionhearted7450]

As being one of two of the last people two ever be in Hara Arena on the day of the tornadoes (YES I have photos & videos) of my best friend & I in there. We got there around 3, less than 3 hours later it would literally have the whole roof tore off, it’s now fully torn down to it’s bare foundation. I did grab some seats, bricks, a arena football,& a wall plaque that was meant to help guide people towards which seats and group they bought their ticket(s) in.

[@oldskoolhero84]

I'm holding out for ecw November to remember '99 and mania 12 my absolute most fondly remembered ppvs of respective companies

[@JfnDWatchesVids]

That Dudley Boyz promo was amazing.

[@IxQuit]

I've got an autograph from Nova from around this time period. I was in Jr. High and made my mom take me and my friends to see the show when ECW came through one of the small towns around me. We were fairly close to the ring, like maybe 5 or 6 rows back, and towards the end of the show they came out in the crowd right in front of us and used my moms folding chair to knock the hell out of each other... I wish I could remember who was wresting in that specific match.. Definitely the craziest thing I ever experienced at a live house show.

[@timbartschwolfman]

When I watched this on the Network a few years ago right in the middle of the Dudley's Promo my Power was going on and off then it went completely out because there was an actual Heatwave where I was living...my power came back on an hour later, I had to finish up the PPV the next day

[@peterclapton625]

1 thing I notice when watching late 90s wrestling is that all 3 of the main feds in the US (WWF, WCW & ECW) all had rings that had very distinctive sounds when someone takes a bump. I quite like that.

[@RKStud1350]

I was there the building was boiling. I had ECW shaved in my head. Taz and Tajiri's match was dead in the building. Dudley's drew heat. It was a good ppv

[@jeremyfincham1422]

That seems extra impressive that Tajiri lands that Moonsault over the guardrail.

[@samuelmedina9984]

Tajiri Versus super crazy classic I always hope that they will show those matches when I watch the ECW

[@Billy-ot8mk]

One ex ECW wrestler that I've been interested in lately is Simon Diamond mainly because he didn't look like he fit in the promotion.

[@michaelspikes8076]

One of the best podcast in the world today

[@chrisbutler1668]

Taz was choking out Tajiri with barbed wire that was a part of the entrance set. That's the reason Joey Styles screamed "Go Wide!" and the camera did not show a close up.

[@wstine79]

It's the start of June of Extreme. I remember seeing these pay-per-views of a recorded tape at a comic book store in Winston-Salem.

[@honestreviewer7788]

More original ecw!!!! November to remember 97 was the best ppv

[@freethepeople4093]

I was at this show! I was like 3 rows back on the hard camera side right in the corner where the walkout platform met the ring! What a night haha!

[@jbagz1359]

Im from dayton, this was my first big show at Hara Arena, the whole arena is gone now a tornado a couple years ago destroyed it beyond repair

[@zacharythomason7359]

RIP Hara Arena🙏🙏🙏

[@At0micPunk90]

The Dudley Boys promo from this show reminds me of this WWE-produced feature about their career, and I remember how Bubba Ray talked about how he didn't like how heel groups like the nWo and DX were "cool", because in his mind, if you're the heel, you're not supposed to be "cool", you're supposed to make people HATE (like, REALLY hate) you and want to see you get beat up, hence promos like the one they cut in this show.

[@silentowlscribe]

That promo is personally for me the Gold Standard when it comes to getting heat. 5 out of 5 star heat promo!

[@citizenstrife]

19:55 Lance and RVD going: Which one of us is going to make the coolest chair spot here? I say Lance wins. He's the one who has to get kicked in the face both times...

[@JClassic305]

Tazz was straggling him with barbed wire from the entrance decoration... I remember watching this live and that was crystal clear... not sure how WWE cut it

[@wickedgood3793]

Tazz in story used a strand of barbed wire put in inside Tajiris mouth and ripped it open before the Tazzmission if I remember right. Damn good video brought me back to when I watched this. Major nostalgia feels

[@ryyanhyyland9020]

Thank you for all the amazing videos brother . I've been into this shit my whole life

[@lionhearted7450]

S/O to Dayton, OH!!!! Been here all my life and love hearing about anything from HARA ARENA

[@ericstevens8138]

“How did he know his name” lmao

[@mrredeyes7021]

Feels like we went from the 80 to the 90 real quick

[@youngtate3891]

Every time I see Jazz I think of JR saying "it's Jazz!!" Instead of "it's Tazz!!" Lmaoo

[@blackrose8418]

I wish I could see more promos like the bubba ray one more often today. Imagine Roman Reigns just going in on the fans one night

[@makaveli4205]

Only person who really does currently is MJF

[@Ilriz817]

Roman would get stabbed if he did that in the territory days

[@SteRDLK]

On the flip side, one of the best promos ever was Roman Reigns saying nothing for 10 minutes and then just saying "this is my yard now". Nuclear heat the entire time.

[@blackrose8418]

@@Ilriz817 I'm aware fans were even crazier back then.

[@blackrose8418]

@@SteRDLK him standing there soaking it all in the night after beating the Undertaker was pretty godlike. Imagine if nit only he beat undertaker but the streak too

[@TyMarshall007]

I love these Retro PPV take me back as a child

[@timbartschwolfman]

Some good memories

[@JDM24]

I was in attendance at this show and it felt like a riot could have broken out at any moment.

[@kyokugenryudisciple9349]

Of course you put the most infamous promos Bubba ever cut as the thumbnail! As it should I like how you put no quarter for thumbnails BZ!

[@dustinkisling4932]

The wire that Taz uses was barbed wire from the entrance fence

[@TheCheat420]

My dad took me to an ECW show in 98-99 when The Dudley Boys were really into shit talking the crowd and I can't remember exactly what was said but Bubbah gave 8 year old me nightmares that he and D-Von were chasing me around the venue that night lol.

[@NcWcN1]

6:26 cue MarkyD stating that Samoan Drops should be reserved for fat guys or Samoans XD

[@quentinparhiala9415]

I like these ECW,WCW and WWE pay per views you do Brian and I enjoy watching them thank you for reviewing them

[@harshckuk]

There is a heat wave going on in my town, so, great timing, Zane

[@michaelsinger4638]

Jazz was so underrated in her day. Lita taking bumps from the guys. She is one tough lady. TNN executives were NOT happy about Bubba’s promo, and all the blood in the tag title match, apparently.

[@Kas58223]

That promo wasn’t heat that was nuclear heat nobody get away with such a promo like that today

[@Mbdxwwe18]

I call this Babyface wave cause if you look all the babyfaces won

[@e93sports80]

Happy June 1st Brian!

[@MaynardOwns]

I was at Chettis wedding around this time. Granted I was a young kid. Got some autographs on bar napkins somewhere. Only one I remember 100% being there was Justin credible. There was about 5 ecw guys there tho. No taz even tho they’re supposedly cousins

[@nicholaschristie8699]

Hard to believe that Guido is still wrestling, since he is gonna be in the Battle Riot for MLW.

[@diehardeaglesfan3541]

I must say Brian, your KZbin channel is on 🔥🔥🔥🔥I really love your content and you have great things ahead of you in the wrestling business. Keep up the good work bro 😎

[@CactusJackIV]

Jazz was a tough as the come, period. BUt she didn't need to put doing a Summan Drop onto Jason, she maybe weighs 125(all muscle) but Jason has to be close if not over 2 bills. Jazz was ahead of her time.

[@ZekeThePlumber86]

I always thought Danny Doring & Roadkill were a fun team to watch.

[@LayneCobain]

You're my favorite youtuber Bryan thank you

[@David-fanboy]

It was actually Barbed wire Tazz put around Tajiri’s mouth while being in the Tazz-mission

[@Thunderbeingz]

When Tajiri switched from blue trunks to black pants. He leveled up majorly

[@mattbush5465]

I was at this show. You can see me at 11:40 on this video all the way on the right in glasses.

[@WrestlingWithWregret]

Nice!

[@zacharythomason7359]

Awesome

[@eliotdriver1100]

Crazy go nuts! Love the H*R references

[@AndreNDP]

The Vulvarine. Sigh. Also, Jazz's theme was "Money, Power, Respect" by The Lox.

[@tyrone5969]

You'd think the lyrics would give a hint, especially since they don't say "come with me" anywhere in the song, lol.

[@mittinedkitten]

Guido is wrestler who could wrestle a broom and make it look good. He was just such a hidden gem

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

Good timing, considering where I live we've got a bit of a heat wave going on.

[@JeffLandryComedy]

I remember being stoked watching Jerry Lynn, Sabu and RVD going at it at the end of this show thinking there’d be a triple threat match for the TV Title at the next PPV. But nope, Jerry Lynn wrestled Lance Storm, Sabu wrestled Justin Credible and RVD defended the TV Title against Balls Mahoney! 🤷‍♂️

[@gamerfourlife64]

Man the more i watch these later ECW years it makes me think how things could of been i mean they were touring they got a network deal video games its a shame just as they were really taking off they faded away :(

[@SteRDLK]

Especially with what general wrestling was becoming (less hardcore, more 'wrestling'') as ROH was. There's an alternate reality where ECW would have been hiring guys like Samoa Joe, Daniel Bryan, CM Punk around 18 months after they folded in real life.

[@ColorsBright]

And isent it weird how they were on TNN which basically was forcing them to die because the network didn't want wrestling but then a couple months later TNN made a deal with wwe to have raw..... Yeah. Totally an inside job by Vince to kill ECW and that dumbass Paul Haymen doesn't realize this???...

[@WyattStreamsHere]

It's so weird to see John Finnegan (the ref) in the ECW videos and noticing he hasn't changed 1 bit

[@Kas58223]

One of my favourite refs he sell job is top notch

[@WyattStreamsHere]

@@Kas58223 he still sells like he did 99

[@Kas58223]

@@WyattStreamsHere last time I saw him was at ECW One Night Stand 2006 always enjoyed his selling he even do this thing he be shocked by a devastating finisher then proceeded to count the 3

[@WyattStreamsHere]

@@Kas58223 he is a ref for a lot of NJ and DE indie promotions

[@Kas58223]

@@WyattStreamsHere u don’t have the name of promotions he in

[@welcometothemovies9157]

If you do heat wave 2000, you can bring up when wrestlers and crew from XPW was there in the front row causing issues

[@thornage2333]

7:45 that’s awesome, I’ve never seen that before great job Guido

[@kyleshiflet9952]

The infamous promo that almost got them killed later that night

[@JMFabiano]

A Wild Sabu Appears??? I think someone will want you to Shuv It for lifting that gag.

[@Vesperitis]

2:03 To quote another wrestling KZbin, "In fact, _words_ were not spoken."

[@PUNKEYE1]

So the main event from what I've seen has a good mix of technical wrestling incorporating weapons and that's a proper way to do it in my opinion

[@jd9119]

Zane, that promo Bubba cut on the fans was great. It got him nuclear heat with them and nearly started a riot. The fans are supposed to legit hate the heels and want them to die. In fact, that's what is missing with today's wrestling. Heels don't get real heat anymore.

[@dyrr836]

He didn't say it wasn't? But anybody trying to replicate it is just going to come off as bush league and uncreative, doing a worse version of something much more effective. Also requires the promotion to have an edgy vibe like ECW did, it wouldn't really make sense in like, current WWE or TNA or something. Maybe it could work in GCW or a similar promotion I guess. It was a fantastic promo at the right venue in the right promotion for the right era. A perfect storm that you can't just lazily replicate, like the CM Punk pipebomb that every indie wanted to shamelessly copy. Also speaking as someone who is pretty gay myself I'm not bothered by Bubba dropping the slur because that's just how we all talked back then. Maybe doesn't make it right but that's what it was, we all did it and 90% of people who claim they weren't are probably lying. Also "heels don't get real heat anymore" shows you are very unfamiliar with modern wrestling. Obviously you're not gonna see ECW riots at big overstaffed stadium events with security up the ass, anyone even thinking of jumping the rail gets grabbed immediately. Reigns was still getting "fuck you Roman" and "die Roman die" chants at the peak of the Bloodline storyline. Ditto for MJF during the Punk feud and Cardona in GCW. There's no template for what "real heat" looks like.