Brilliant reappraisal of a sadly neglected aircraft Ed! The Albacore should also be remembered for its use over Dunkirk where a raid by 10 Albacores and 9 Skuas on the 31st of May 1940 blunted a German attack over the Nieuport canal. Another early action involving the Albacore was on the 21st June 1940 when three Albacores were shot down over the Island of Texel after attacking German airfields in Holland. But the Germans lost one Bf109 and another two damaged to the return fire of the Albacore gunners in the process. One of the pilots of the Albacores lost that day was Peter Butterworth, who spent the rest of the war in German prison camps, although he was involved in a couple of Escape attempts. After the war, he would become an actor, best remembered for his many roles in "Carry On" films.
@mtgibbo27928 ай бұрын
Fascinating, thanks for sharing.
@grahambuckerfield46408 ай бұрын
Very interesting, ever thought of setting up a channel, these sorts of aviation and interpersonal histories, including often little known actions?
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters7 ай бұрын
@@grahambuckerfield4640 LOL I've told him him he should many times 😁
@squeeth28955 ай бұрын
Greg Baughen pointed out that slow aircraft like biplanes did good service in France in 1940 when they didn't stray too far over the front line, especially when the front was fluid and German AA cover was patchy. There was even a suggestion in 1943 to revive production of the Henschel 123.
@bawhamper6 ай бұрын
Ed, this video is a textbook example of why your channel is so good: a relatively obscure subject, really objectively covered, no stone left unturned and a fair-minded, informative verdict delivered. The Albacore deserves a far more sympathetic appraisal than she normally gets.
@frasermcneil-watson20588 ай бұрын
My Father flew the Albacore in English Channel operations in 1944 against German shipping. His final operations were based from the Belgium coast in December 1944.
@oldesertguy96168 ай бұрын
Whenever I see photos of the Swordfish flying over the North Sea I start getting cold. I can't imagine an open cockpit in those conditions.
@babboon57648 ай бұрын
The Pilot's probably not too badly off right behind the motor But the Nav & Air Gunner will be brass monkeys
@lancaster5077Күн бұрын
I wonder if brass monkeys make good aircrew ?
@Gerhardium8 ай бұрын
The Swordfish relies on her Peggy The modified Taurus ain't sound So the Swordfish flies off on her mission While the Albacore stays on the ground Bring back, bring back, Bring back my stringbag to me.
@martindice54248 ай бұрын
A lot of early war equipment gets a bad press. But it was what we had and (if used properly) they could do the job and hold the line till better kit got issued. Brave men, well led will always make a difference - although good equipment can help enormously of course.
@charlesmoss81198 ай бұрын
Brilliant - I was always mystified why the Albacore wasn’t used in the ASW role in some tough places leaving crews frozen and struggling to catch up with carriers. I do think the Albacore was the better plane and would have made a better platform so finally I have an answer.
@steffenb.jrgensen20148 ай бұрын
Splendid! The role and huge potential of radar equipped Albacores in the Med and in the Indian ocean also must be remembered. This gave the FAA a unique night attack capability, which was utilised well in the Med and with a little different circumstances also could have played a major role in the Indian Ocean in spring of 42.
@PaulP9998 ай бұрын
Thank you! I've been telling people for decades that the Blackburn production line was the reason the Swordfish outlived the Albacore - and I suspect there could be political reasons why troubled Blackburn were shored up during such desperate times. Did you know that the final mark of the Swordfish also had an enclosed cockpit, never seem to see pix of that.
@HoverLambo7 ай бұрын
Apparently that was only done in Canada for pilot training due to the extreme cold.
@petesheppard17098 ай бұрын
Very well done! Thanks for a balance, thoughtful review. I've always thought that the Albacore was better than most histories suggested, but that wartime circumstances somehow favored the more primitive Swordfish.
@stevetournay61038 ай бұрын
Nice to see a 415 Sqn (RCAF) Albacore pictured, and really interesting to see an Albacore in US insignia (guessing Operation Torch?)...
@pavarottiaardvark34316 ай бұрын
Yup. Albacores flying off of HMS Formidable used 'American looking markings'. It's not really surprising that 'white star rondel' became a generic Allied recognition symbol by the end of the war.
@dosrios95178 ай бұрын
Fascinating coverage, Ed. Your summary is spot on, relevant to how many legendary beliefs are more nuisance in the cold light of facts. The bravery of the pilots on both sides should also never be forgotten., especially in the backdrop of poorly formulated attack strategies, again on both sides, by leaders in comfortable rooms remote from the action
@babboon57648 ай бұрын
Ed's coverage of the Kirkenes raid shows starkly how brave crews lives were frittered by politicians on the altar of expediency to 'make a point'. [Some things never seem to change much]
@zebop9178 ай бұрын
Fascinating stuff as usual. It’s nice that you found some footage of aircraft operating with the white star roundels of the Operation Torch period.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman8 ай бұрын
FWIW: It still somewhat amazes me that some _Stringbags_ -- an aircraft which I love -- were equipped with radar. A _BIPLANE_ equipped with _RADAR._
@trance_trousers8 ай бұрын
Never heard of he Fairey Albacore before, but what a good looking biplane it was/is.
@esmenhamaire63987 ай бұрын
Many thanks, Ed! I have long wondered why the Albacore was taken out of service before the swordfish. Shame they didnt ask Blackburn to make Albacores!. I'm also puzzled as to why the Barracuda was ordered when there was so little of the German fleet left, the Americans were vastly overpowering Japan. The Albacore was fine - and from what you've explained - better than the sw3ordfish in all but one aspect - the gap bet6ween its ubercarriage legs, To me, the obvious answer would be to modify some Albacores to allow ASW radar to be fitted.. Finally, jets. Jets were clearly going to dominate military aircraft design post war, and the Albacore was doing a grand job for the FAA, so why not just build more Albacores, and then work up specs for an Albacore replacement after the war's ebd? As for Churchill - a great wartime leader of our nation he was (mostly), but it seems that every time he poked his nose into military matters, the result was a disaster! It seems a tad unfair to me that whilst Hitler and Stalin rightly get criticised for theit decidedly unhelpful interferebces with their own military, Churchill seldom does.
@garybrader84477 ай бұрын
Blackburn built Swordfish because , already in production, it was easier and cheaper as Ed Nash explains. The contributions of the Albacore at Matapan are important as the Bismarck attack. Jet powered torpedo planes? Your comments about Churchill are valid but remember that history is written by the victors.
@bigblue69178 ай бұрын
When I first came across the Albacore I had wondered why they had just enclosed the cockpit. It was not until I looked into its history I realised that there was more to it and its reputation was not deserved. Taranto may have had a bigger impact if the second carrier had been available as was supposed to happen. One or two more of the larger warships damaged or sunk would have made it harder to make a show of force.
@tarikwildman8 ай бұрын
Great Video... Thank you ! (Have you done one on that magnificent horror called the "Barracuda"? I would love to see that
@timgosling61898 ай бұрын
I hadn't seen them before with US star insignia. Seems it was for Op Torch to make US forces less likely to shoot them down in confusion for Vichy French. Learn something every day.
@patrickreilly20268 ай бұрын
It wasn't for that. It was thought the French would be less likely to fire on American forces than British.
@johndavey728 ай бұрын
As you say Ed . The forgotten hero ..... l was aware of this very underrated and very able aircraft . But nowhere as detailed as your impeccable coverage . And yes , l have seen this at Yeovilton a number of times . I will view this aircraft with a new admiration the next time l visit Yeovilton . Thankyou Ed.
@yoochoob18588 ай бұрын
I've long thought this would make the perfect warbird today. Slow, small field performance, unusual looks, compact for hangarage, 3 seats... what's not to like?
@MrBandholm8 ай бұрын
Stinger missiles for one...
@jimdavis83918 ай бұрын
@@MrBandholm I don't think you quite understand what he meant...
@MrBandholm8 ай бұрын
@@jimdavis8391 then enlighten me...
@CaptainLumpyDog7 ай бұрын
@@jimdavis8391He isn't wrong.
@petestorz1728 ай бұрын
Being obsolescent for an intended purpose didn't preclude being adequate for secondary purposes (thereby freeing up newer planes or ships for frontline use). The B-18 Bolo was obsolete, but usable early in the war for anti-submarine patrolling, when better airplanes were in short supply and needed in combat theaters. US Omaha class light cruisers were obsolescent, but well suited for anti-raider patrolling and rescue of U-boat sinking survivors in the Caribbean and South Atlantic. US Wickes and Clemson class destroyers were obsolescent at the start of WW2, but usable for convoy duty, and eventually many were converted to secondary roles as fast transports, minesweepers, and such (I wonder if RN V and W class destroyers had similar careers). Re-purposed Swordfish likely allowed more capable airplanes to be used in roles that require those greater capabilities.
@mrbroeders8 ай бұрын
For some reason in naval wargaming the Albacore is an absolute beast for damage. I had a battleship sunk from just one flight of Albacores!
@captaccordion8 ай бұрын
Thanks for another very informative video! My curiousity has been raised though by the footage of Albacores in US markings. Is there another story to be told there?
@grahambuckerfield46408 ай бұрын
I am guessing in the Pacific theatre, the red in a UK roundel could be confused with a Japanese Rising Sun, as with the red circle in the US Star and Bar. Later the FAA in the British Pacific Fleet would for similar reasons have a blue and white roundel, with blue and white bars. Though the footage you noticed might be from operations against Vichy French, so Allied aircraft for this standardized on the US markings due to the Vichy possibility using their own roundel.
@dennisnaylor29658 ай бұрын
The US markings were applied for the Torch invasion of French North Africa. The theory was that the French would be more liable to shoot at the British after Mers el Kebir. The ruse didn't work well. The French shot at everybody!
@wingmanjim68 ай бұрын
Thanks for that info !@@dennisnaylor2965
@captaccordion8 ай бұрын
Thanks Dennis. Good yarn, and maybe a topic for Ed to explore further!
@Philistine478 ай бұрын
I'm afraid that, as a practical matter, I just don't see a lot of daylight in between "this aircraft was obsolete before it first flew because it was poorly designed" and "this aircraft was obsolete before it first flew because it was designed in response to an obsolete specification, which in turn was crafted due to an obsolete doctrine." The Swordfish was already very much obsolescent by 1937, with the emergence of the TBD and B5N in the US and Japan respectively; specifying its replacement type as "that, but with a heater" really shows how little the RN (and the RAF for that matter) cared about, or even _thought_ about, the FAA in the 1930s.
@jabonorte8 ай бұрын
Interesting you mentioned the Devastator - proof that the number of wings is no indicator of service life. Worth remembering the zones the FAA concentrated on for their carrier aircraft - North Atlantic (no enemy fighter), North Sea (partially covered by the RAF) and Mediterranean (where the Italians still used biplane fighters - so a biplane with STOL and long endurance isn't such a bad idea. The British and the French still used slow prop planes (Gannet and Alize) into the 80s for the same roles, though they had better attack planes to do the dangerous work by then.
@aussie8077 ай бұрын
The big difference for notoriety could be put down to the movie, 'Sink the Bismark' which projected the underdog role of the Swordfish into common culture. Had they made a movie about Matapan it might have been different - both aircraft and in particular the crews were magnificent. Love your videos Ed👍
@michaelwright298618 күн бұрын
You're quite right about the traditional narrative: the Albacore is only mentioned, then we're told that the T.S.R.II outlasted it and nothing about what the Albacore did. There's still no way to call it a success, but it's another example of a failure caused by specification and doctrine, not the actual design and construction, like the Defiant and the Battle. It's kind of entertaining that the Swordfish stayed in production because Blackburn had been given it, presumably so they could have some experience of building an aircraft that was good looking and effective (relatively).
@lightanddark26734 ай бұрын
At last, someone who can deliver an interesting and informative narrative. Excellent narrative with clear diction, way above the standards of many videos. Well done Ed.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters4 ай бұрын
Wow, thank you!
@briantincher92848 ай бұрын
Great Video. Thank you so much for covering this aircraft. Love ww2 era aviation aircraft but I have to admit...I had never heard of the Albacore. Thank you once again for this video. Great work!!!
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters8 ай бұрын
You're very welcome 😁
@michaelbizon4448 ай бұрын
In practice or action the performance stats of carrier attack aircraft mattered less than the proficiency of the crews, tactics, timing & luck. And above all else friendly fighter escort. Taranto was biplanes sinking battleships at anchor & unopposed. The devastators were flown into heavy opposition, unescorted, in small uncoordinated numbers with faulty tropedoes. Results were as expected. The radar, CAP flights, aux spotting aircraft, planning, code breaking, luck and a thousand other factors won the carrier battels of WW2. I am saying that the idea that one torpedo/dive bomber over another was the decisive factor of winning the War or not is silly. With it's industrial might the USN could/would have had the same results using all buffalos, vindicators and devastators off it's 150+ carriers built during the War. Land based aircraft were a vastly larger share of aerial combat than carrier actions were.
@garyhooper18208 ай бұрын
A small step up from the stringbag , The Air Ministry detested spending on naval aircraft . And man does it show !
@kidmohair81518 ай бұрын
thanks for giving Armoured Carriers a shout out. like your channel, I have been following that one since it first showed up in my feed.
@tysonator54338 ай бұрын
Another great explanation of what should have been a better career for this aircraft. Well done Ed, keep up the good work.
@HoverLambo7 ай бұрын
Eric Winkle brown wrote that the Swordfish rivalled the Tiger Moth for ease of flying, and would almost land itself on a carrier. Thus any other plane would feel heavy...
@CounterClaws8 ай бұрын
It's too bad the swordfish was better, though I'd imagine the albacore would be a bit more comfortable than the swordfish while flying in the North Atlantic with an enclosed cockpit
@Knight68318 ай бұрын
Considering the Fairey Albacore was supposed to be a stop gap between the retirement of the Fairey Swordfish in 1939 and the introduction the Fairey Barracuda in 1941 as the British Empire was building for a war to begin in 1942 not 1939
@ArmouredCarriers7 ай бұрын
Thanks very much for your very kind words. Greatly appreciated. And I appreciate the candor of your assessments. Credit where credit is due. Criticism where criticism is due.
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters7 ай бұрын
Your videos are excellent. I tell folks about them whenever I can.
@limbichostwax8 ай бұрын
As a private pilot with multi engine and jet rating I have always wanted to try flying an Albacore and a Gannett.
@MM229668 ай бұрын
Thanks for the explanation on doctrine/design choices for the FAA. Their various oddly-shaped aircraft always puzzled me. It was clear just looking at them they weren't trying to do what the Americans and Japanese were doing, despite the Brits having the tech to do so. I never understood why until now. Their entire carrier force was just a better form of catapult-launched spotter from their point of view. (doctrinally, not in employment)
@danielstickney24008 ай бұрын
A lot of It stems from the decision to assign all aircraft to the RAF, which meant that there was no Fleet Air Arm for most of the interwar period, no naval aviators and no realistic appreciation of the potential of air power within the Admiralty. The result? Unrealistic doctrine, marginal aircraft, and an entire fleet of ships with minimal or marginal AA defenses.
@anselmdanker95198 ай бұрын
Thank you for covering the Albacore 😊 service.
@DonaldSteevejohnson6 ай бұрын
Albacores were also utilized in the British/French invasion of Madagascar in 1942.
@simonjames34178 ай бұрын
Excellent stuff, a real eye opener about an aircraft little known to me
@brucemacdonald8767 ай бұрын
The actor Peter Butterworth (best known for the Carry On films) was the pilot in an Albacore that was shot down in the raid on De Kooy and Den Helder on 21-22 June 1940 in which the Observer Sub Lt Dyke was KIA. He and his Air Gunner Leading Airman Jackson were taken POW. Later on in the war Lt Butterworth was held in Stalag Luft III and was one of the POWs involved in the Wooden Horse escape - not an escapee but one of the vaulters. Ironically when the film was made of that escape, he wasn't deemed to look heroic enough to act in it.
@towgod79858 ай бұрын
Excellent, unbiased and informative video. Cheers.
@howardlock45787 ай бұрын
One factor rarely considered and never quantified for naval aircraft is the incidence of decklanding accidents and the ability to get the crew (the most valuable equipment) home in all weathers. I believe this was a strength of the Stringbag and possibly the Albacore (apparently not the Barracuda). Did this make the Stringbag a better fit for the Escorts Carriers? I also note that the Stringbag was used for CAP on the Artic Convoys (when bad weather prevented) Martlets from flying which adds another string to their bow. (British Escort Carriers Angus Konstam) As you say Ed A long shadow, thank you, for illuminating the Albacore as a worthy aircraft.
@digidraxe80523 ай бұрын
Great presentation!
@tonywilkins96168 ай бұрын
Superb video of a criminally underappreciated aircraft
@martinavery39797 ай бұрын
The simple, wooden Swordfish could be repaired by crews on small escort carriers. One big reason the stringbag had such a long life
@stuartburton11677 ай бұрын
The Swordfish had a metal airframe. The wings and rear fuselage aft of the cockpit were fabric skinned the front of the fuselage was metal skinned.
@martinavery39797 ай бұрын
@@stuartburton1167sorry, thinking of fabric, not wood. Escort carrier crews could do a lot more to keep them flying than they could do with all metal airframes. I don't know if the older engines might have been easier to work on as well but airframe maintenance is often talked about as the main reason for retaining the Swordfish. I suspect that the Swordfish's handling characteristics might have been popular on smaller carriers as well.
@olivergs98408 ай бұрын
Hey Ed, have you ever heard of a south African project known as the bomb cart? One of my coworkers had something to do with it, and upon researching it a bit, it seems to be a COIN aircaft that looks like a baby A-10, made from bits of BAC Jet Provost
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters8 ай бұрын
I have not! Have to see if I can dig anything up!
@olivergs98408 ай бұрын
@@EdNashsMilitaryMatters I've managed to find a pair of proposed layout drawings on secret projects forums, and that's about it. My coworker tells me they tested the aerodynamics with an RC miniature version
@WWIIUK7 ай бұрын
I have looked at the original specifications (M7/36 and the later 41/36) that lead to the Fairey Albacore's design and it's interesting that the Air Ministry issued two specifications, one for a Torpedo Spotter Reconnaissance aircraft (T.S.R specification M7/36) and the other for a Dive Bomber Reconnaissance Aircraft (D.B.R specification o.8/36), with the idea that one of the two specifications would produce an update monoplane design for the FAA. Fairey had been chosen to exclusively tender designs for the Dive Bomber Reconnaissance aircraft. However, the company felt it could not produce a satisfactory aircraft for the specification. This led to the two specifications being merged into one as it was determined that an aircaft designed to the T.S.R. role could also carry out dive bombing. Once the two specifications had been amalgamated, the admiralty expressed a desire for a biplane as the FAA had little to no experience flying monoplanes. The Admiralty wanted the new aircraft as quickly as possible to replace both the Blackburn Shark and Fairey Swordfish, which was deemed to become obsolete by 1940.
@pavarottiaardvark34317 ай бұрын
iirc, while the Swordfish outlived the Albacore in Britain, the latter actually outlived its predecessor because it was used by the Canadians several years longer. Which makes sense - heated enclosed cockpit is a big deal in the cold north.
@babboon57648 ай бұрын
Given you can't know in advance what missions you will be tasked to undertake Who is going to chose the Stringbag Swordfish (the hypothermic option) or the warm, if slightly control heavy Applecore? And neither would I But note - *There is a beautiful Swordfish which FLIES at Shuttleworth (Bedfordshire) on display days* (& loads of other iconic stuff)
@rastarn8 ай бұрын
I missed your posts! Hope you had a great holiday season, and I wish you and those you care about, all the best for the New Year! Thank you so much for all your work.
@mothmagic17 ай бұрын
The Sea Otter was introduced to replace the Walrus and also failed to do so. Britain seems to be good at building aircraft that fail to replace the type whose role they are to take on.
@finlayfraser99528 ай бұрын
Ed, that's an interesting shot at time stop 10:37, with what must be a Seafire nestling at the back of the crowd of Albacores. It would be enlightening to identify the ship and the date.
@steveshoemaker63478 ай бұрын
THANKS Mr.Ed Nash.... Old F-4 2 Shoe🇺🇸
@wirralnomad8 ай бұрын
Are there any pictures of an Albacore in monoplane form even of only in plan form? It would be really interesting to see exactly what it would have looked like, especially in comparison to my own pictures of a monoplane variant of the Albacore that I edited in Windows Paint using common sense to come up with a probable design, if not then a definite design form. Considering the circumstances of the times and the need to save materials and funds then Fairey would have probably reused as many parts from other planes so as not to waste time making new jigs which would use up extra materials and funds when jigs already exist for other planes in production. Looking at the other Fairey aircraft of the time I could only see the Fulmar as using wings that were suitable for use on the Albacore being a low wing design and so I replaced the biplane wings with the single wing of the Fulmar along with the undercarriage of the Fulmar and it looks very much like a Mitsubishi A6M Zero but the engine looks tiny in comparison so I made a duplicate with a larger power plant which would have required a larger propeller and so bigger undercarriage and arrestor hook. I then went and edited again for a third variant which was a single seat model with a tear drop canopy, I think on paper albeit digitally speaking the imagination can look upon the monoplane designs quite favourably and although it would have possibly have been much better than the biplane imho, it probably would still have been a poor performer.
@garynew96377 ай бұрын
Haha
@draganjagodic40568 ай бұрын
Have always liked this plane.
@UncleJoeLITE8 ай бұрын
Well done Ed, this is deserved of a "Forgotten Aircraft" episode. History is written by the winners, and their propaganda lives on. So given the British "underdog" theme, it's not surprising that the Swordfish was immortalised, especially since the improvement was only incremental. But yeah, AC does give us pilots' perspectives on flying each. Cheers!
@whtalt928 ай бұрын
@ 8.30 - noooo not that myth again. Suffice to say, the Japanese took it as confirmation that what they were already planning way before Taranto would work.
@nikbear8 ай бұрын
They were being helped in their training by a brit, a lord no less! 😮
@comentedonakeyboard8 ай бұрын
0:43 Italy fielded new biplanes until 1943
@davefellhoelter13438 ай бұрын
"I Thought" as per my memory of this age, these Men, and their Machines? Albacore Was it was Much Loved for Gorila or Resistance Use? as I recall she had good STOL abilities, short landing and take off? as I remember told me? but I can Not recall what the Canadians, or Americans, named Her?
@animalian018 ай бұрын
It's a bit unfair the criticism, I can see the reasoning,the Fleet Air arm had a very successful aircraft in the swordfish, so make a more modern enclosed cockpit version that should be better
@danielpetersen66228 ай бұрын
Kevin - Thank you.
@Ribeirasacra8 ай бұрын
Sort of old hurricane v Spitfire during the Battle of Britain story.
@i-a-g-r-e-e-----f-----jo--b8 ай бұрын
KZbin took away my subscription status, I had to redo it, FYI. Thanks for the video, its cool to find out about these planes at the start of the war.
@keithdurose70573 ай бұрын
It seems strange that a biplane, the Albacore, with two wings. Would be replaced by a monoplane, the Barracuda, with sometimes , no wings! Thanks for the very informative video. I really appreciate your narration. Some productions have great content but are hard on the ears.
@jimdavis83918 ай бұрын
It's really a Series 2 Swordfish.
@fury45398 ай бұрын
Very nice video Ed!! Keep up this awesome series!
@ramondulvur7 ай бұрын
Would you perhaps consider making a video about the origins of Albacore and the monoplane proposal by Fairey? An interesting 'what if...'
@jasonz77888 ай бұрын
Awesome thanks
@williammagoffin93248 ай бұрын
I think a lot of the people who talk ill of the Albacore these days because it was only 'mildly' better than the Swordfish in performance only look at the Wikipedia stats and don't think about crew comfort the more modern design offered for naval operations.
@geordiedog17497 ай бұрын
Poor Applecores. Nice to see your defence. I noticed the planned TB for the Graff Zeppelin looked very similar to the Applecores. Fiesler something? You have a video I think.
@MarcDufresneosorusrex8 ай бұрын
It served in Indian theater; yay!!😊
@yes_head8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Ed. And Happy New Year!
@callenclarke3717 ай бұрын
Great content, Ed! Thanks again!
@davidellis20218 ай бұрын
Thanks Ed.
@wingmanjim68 ай бұрын
Well done once again ! Thank you !
@JGCR598 ай бұрын
The supposed replacement, the Fairey Barracuda, was basically a total failure. The real replacement was the Grumman TBF/TBM Avenger.
@bensmith75364 ай бұрын
Jesus Christ when youre compared to the TBD, you have nowhere else to go but up. EDIT: 07:16 How beautiful is that, seriously. I want one.
@lelanderickson10458 ай бұрын
I've loved the Albacore since I was a kid! To me it will always be The Flying Killer Tunafish!😁
@womble3218 ай бұрын
Never forget the Swordfish was only one year older than the Hurricane and 2 years older than the Spitfire.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman8 ай бұрын
Great video, Ed...👍
@konekillerking8 ай бұрын
Disappointed to hear your repeat the “JIN used the attack to form their Attack on Pearl Harbor. “ That has been shown to not be turn. It might have demonstrated that all the prior work the JIN had done on the the pearl plan was viable, but it didn’t influence the plan.
@deaks258 ай бұрын
So the TL:DR boils down to British: The Swordfish is good, but can you make us a better one? Fairey: Sure, we've got a modern design that can replace it and bring the FAA up to the standard of its peers. British: NO! Just make the Swordfish better. Fairey. Ok, if you say so. *makes the Albacore* British: What the heck is this? This sucks! We can't even carry out poorly planned and executed operations. Fairey:... British:... You suck! Fairey: History is not going to be kind to us is it. History: No. No we will not. Fairey: *sigh *
@Sonofdonald20248 ай бұрын
Great video as always. And armoured carriers is a brilliant channel shockingly undersubscribed
@mirthenary8 ай бұрын
Welcome back, Ed!
@skidplate41507 ай бұрын
Excellent Ed. Have you, are you going to do a video on the barracuda ???
@EdNashsMilitaryMatters7 ай бұрын
Probably at some point, again, recommend the Armoured Carriers video on the Barra :)
@davidvavra91138 ай бұрын
Thanks
@pauldonnelly79498 ай бұрын
Wondering why some of the aircraft featured carried the stars of the U S. Navy? Would be obvious enough, except still carry the British tail insignia, any ideas? Great vid as per, thanks foe sharing.
@allandavis82013 ай бұрын
If the Admiralty hadn’t been made up of those who were not in step with the changing geopolitical situation and Royal Navy needs and doctrine post WWI and beyond then the FAA might have been more than they were, they couldn’t see that the Battleship was almost redundant and that naval AirPower in the form of aircraft carriers was in the ascendency, but alas it wasn’t to be, they only came to their collective senses when it was too late to catch-up as the war had already started, and it wasn’t just the Admiralty, the RAF and Army top brass were stuck in a “Groundhog” position and the respective manufacturers of the equipment needed were already in war production which meant that there was little to no slack for designing and building new Ships,Aircraft or Armoured Vehicles for the services, a “make do and mend” mentality had to be adopted, and British 🇬🇧 industries never really recovered from their wartime positions. Thanks for sharing this snapshot of the FAA and the Albacore, very interesting and informative, once again you have provided my daily helping of learning something new. Thanks again. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴🇺🇦
@danbendix13988 ай бұрын
Excellent review.
@john_in_phoenix7 ай бұрын
Comparing the Albacore to the Devestator in the beginning, I am not sure the Devestator is that much better. The FAA practiced night torpedo attacks and had a working torpedo.
@xgford948 ай бұрын
10:03 Stuka as a fighter… that day yes😮 10:03
@pissedoff-is1mt8 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@petestorz1728 ай бұрын
The influence of the Taranto attack on the IJN's Pearl Harbor attack tends to be exaggerated. The IJN did study it in Italy, but the focus seems to have been on how to modify torpedoes to be usable in shallow waters. In the event, PH was very different than Taranto: daylight instead of at night; 6 carriers instead of just 1; about 10X the number of attacking planes; air assets and facilities were attacked almost as strongly as naval assets. As a comparison: the Albacore was slower than the TBD, but other performance was similar (except longer range carrying a torpedo); the TBD was introduced in 1937, while the Albacore in 1940 (the TBF Avenger in 1942). As torpedo bomber, the TBD was similar or slightly better (the @#$%y Mark 13 torpedo aside), but if the Albacore can be said to suffer, it was from the RN's and FAA's vision of how it would be used. Pacific service probably was not much of a consideration (The Albacore's main danger to an A6M might have been the danger of the Japanese pilot laughing himself to death. Rimshot! Crash!). Where the RN assigned the scouting role to the Albacore, the USN assigned that role to the SBD ("SB" = scout bomber). Not a few planes in frontline service at the beginning and early in WW2 were obsolescent or obsolete late in the war.
@McRocket8 ай бұрын
BTW, I knew nothing of the Kirkenes raid before now. Thank you for that. ☮
@MrSebmeister8 ай бұрын
My great great uncle Sub. Lt. Aubrey Clook (Observer) was shot down in one in north africa, and seriously injured.
@geoffreypiltz2718 ай бұрын
The outcome of all these actions depended almost entirely on planning and chance (as do most war operations) . None of them would really have gone any differently with either aircraft (or indeed any other aircraft of similar operational role).