Friction Saver Basics For Doubled Rope Technique (DdRT) | Arborist Climbing

[@chaseaspen8904]

Great tutorial however at 4:08 you can save a lot of time by first passing your throw line through the large ring before you set your through line in the tee. Once it’s passed through the big ring tie on your throw weight, throw it over the crotch, lower it down, and then put it through the small ring once it’s down at which point follow the rest of your steps. Instead you took your entire throw line out of the bag to thread the opposite end through the big ring. Not necessary, just a tip to save time.

[@K9Kincaid]

Killed me watching him do that 😂

[@alexmelnua]

Patrick! You know how to present any information so perfectly and clearly that I often lose even the desire to see similar materials on other channels! Very often you, Patrick, replace all-all other authors!

[@phi376]

Excellent Excellent! Both explanation and editing was perfect 👍🏽

[@ChristopherBix2]

Thank you for this. I’ve watched dozens of instructional videos here and none that I found explained this. They’d just gloss over it as though you already knew how it worked. This was very well explained and understandable and great visual illustrations. Thorough and very well done. Thanks for this.

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Good to hear brother! - Patrick

[@thepoochprofessor2683]

Agreed. This was one of the most instructional videos I have ever watched on KZbin. I have been recreationally climbing for years but have lapsed in the last several years and I can't wait to get back to it. I never used a friction saver before because I found them too daunting. Not anymore. Thank you!!

[@ethanlancaster76]

I truly enjoy watching all of the arborist’s videos here on KZbin and some for many different reasons, but as a 47 year old climber I find this channel to be a wealth of knowledge that is very practical for every day tree work, from beginner to expert. Bravo Patrick 💪

[@Billster1955]

I'm watching this video again to get my brain tuned up for climbing season. I have two small climbing jobs today. Have a great weekend Patrick.

[@johnchristiansen9095]

Instead of running the entire throw line through the large ring, simply put your climbing line through it while keeping the end on the ground with your foot....next you pull the friction saver over the crotch with the throw bag and let it down ... ditch the throw bag, tie onto your climbing line and pull it through the friction saver.... saves a lot of time

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Yes, that works in the simplest of throwing situations, but most times you end up using both ends of the throwline to isolate or manipulate the position in the tree, in which case you wouldn't want it pre-threaded through the big ring. If that makes sense. Thanks for watching! - Patrick

[@FT4Freedom]

Yes. Exactly. I've never seen or heard of running the entire throw line through the big ring AFTER the throw. It's just never necessary. Big reveal on this channel. Thread the big ring before the throw ALWAYS. It's elementary.

[@wildlifewarrior2670]

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM did your friction saver not come with that plastic retrieval ball or this is just a demonstration

[@scatoutdebutter]

Thanks for the careful, precise, detailed explanations!

[@dannyhampton711]

Nicely done! Most tuber's dont take the time to show newbies that are interested in trying tree climbing and need their hand held thru the video, like you just displayed! Thanks for that it was easiily understood and can be practiced now. Don't worry you guys out there that rush thru your methods so nobody can duplicate them and take your job away from you, thats not gonna happen! We just want to get a rush in climbing and have fun!

[@noahsmith8869]

Sweet vid man. Try putting the throw line through your friction saver before you throw it in the tree. Then you dint have to pull the whole thing through after🤙

[@bthompson661]

New subscriber here, I just started my own stump grinding business 6 months ago and it's taken off. I have purchased a lot of gear(friction saver, carabiners, ascenders, big shot, ropes, both climbing and rigging, rope puller, portawrap, and lots more). I have started climbing and getting into tree work. Love your videos.

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thanks man, best of luck with your business! - Patrick

[@jf6305]

3 years after the video posting but hey... your videos are better than all other basics tutorials for me. Thanks for your coherence

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Appreciate it :) - Patrick

[@pauld.1256]

I’m as green as spring leaves with tree climbing,, l am very impressed with your technique and professionalism you show on your videos.. this one really impressed me.. great learning videos!! Thank you for sharing!!

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thanks brother! - Patrick

[@patriotarborist711]

You do a fantastic job of explaining things thoroughly, not assuming all viewers are experts

[@mxcollin95]

Great video...thanks for posting. 👍

[@somasabul3883]

Great video - l love learning this stuff even though I am way to old to climb.

[@tommyttk24]

Big Thanks for your sharing and it is a excellent video sir.

[@brad724p]

Great Video. Thanks.

[@tyrobinson8561]

Great job. 👍

[@zombiehunter5923]

Thank you for explaining everything in great details

[@lancerudy9934]

Great video 😊

[@thetruth5836]

Exquisitely demonstrated. 👍💯

[@706d]

Awesome video, thanks!

[@davidbrown4868]

Thank you. This is a nice easy to understand explanation.

[@BhaaskarDesai]

Thank you so much. Very detailed and precise demonstration. Extremely easy to understand. Now time to get practicing. :)

[@k2thah286]

Thanks for running through multiple scenarios.

[@o00oZu1o00o]

I can't thank you enough for these vids... Very glad I found this channel. Many thanks!!

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thank you, glad you found me!

[@salvadornunez5829]

Thank you for your time and effort

[@rickhaller3328]

Good tutorial on using a retrievable friction saver. (Ring & ring)

[@ronjohnz5190]

Outstanding video; And a simple and effective climbing system

[@cb5600]

Great stuff!! I just got a friction saver and you just answered a lot of questions for me. Thanks! 👊🏻🧡🇨🇦

[@hendryzubair2178]

OMG your country is so clean and beautiful

[@JesseStanchfield]

thanks again

[@DirtRoadLanding]

Thank you for the great videos and information.

[@gerardogonzalez9812]

Thanks for the video! That is a very nice job 👍

[@carcasscruncher9354]

This was interesting.

[@150FreeShrugs]

I fell a few feet like this one time and luckily it didn’t hurt. It did scare the crap out of me because I didn’t even expect it at all since the tree was very leafy and didn’t realize I was on a twig and not the main crotch. I was not even 10 feet off the ground but when you drop suddenly, it is scary.

[@ramirocruzb5420]

Hola amigo, me gusta tus videos y gracias por compartir tu conocimiento. Es muy útil. Saludos desde Guadalajara MEXICO

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

Nice amigo. No habla Englais pero mirar mucho? Claro!

[@bradleysmith4630]

Absolutely beautiful

[@jimmypayton5849]

Thanks for That awesome demo, (goes right along with the book I've been reading) Helps a lot to see technique in action. And yes I'm a beginner.

[@BOBBY227BMF]

Thank you for sharing good knowledge and your experiences.. very useful and appreciated.. great day

[@johnpion7694]

Ditto, as James pointed out, feed the line through the big ring before you throw, time saver!

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

john pion Yes, that helps on really simple throws. Most throws aren't that simple... - Patrick

[@index7787]

If the line is up a tree, there won't be much left on the ground anyway. It's really not that bad.

[@kennethsizer6217]

> Most throws aren't that simple True dat.

[@randystrand908]

Really well done. Thank you!

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thanks brother! - Patrick

[@robertojuarez1738]

I needed to see this thank you so much!

[@evang6503]

Good video both rings have to touch flush for retrieval

[@troytreeguy]

I have found when retrieving controlled from a high tie in (60-80' around here) one tail of my throw line slows the saver as its pulled over the crotch. I end up with my throw line in the crotch i retrieved from. I always liked that because i could pull a line back in if the customer "forgot" some limbs or a particularly spacey arborist forgot his pole saw (ask me how i know ;-). Also if the retrieve went poorly it will install the saver if you pull it back in (after attempting a controlled retrieval) hope i explained what i was trying to convey. Great video, always good to freshen up or learn a new skill. Be Well

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Be well my friend - Patrick

[@index7787]

Yes, this. I climb to hang my hammock up at 200' and read my book, this is how I get my same spot.

[@neightjay]

Nicely done. Remote install of a pulley saver is even worse on time. Slick as all get out once installed tho.

[@bahnxapsw1567]

very clear and understand able. good show.

[@lugerkiai]

ACE! Thanks for that.

[@EricJemAndes]

Thanks for the nice video. Nothing new for me here, but your explanation was clear, easy to follow, and sound. Thanks for all the effort you put into helping educate tree climbers! BTW,I'm looking forward to getting my sticker too! Eric McGrew

[@TomBrooklyn]

I wonder what you mean by a sticker.

[@victormanuel6701]

Excelente explicación

[@marcosmunguia2835]

👍👍👍Some one where I can buy this stuff. 👍👍👍

[@NateDigit]

Very helpful

[@dirk_krueger_]

Nice Video. You've take it to the point. Very good stuff. 😎👍☕ Greetings

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thanks brother - Patrick

[@najnajbolji]

thanks for your effort with this channel and excellent website.

[@GreenPowerFarm]

So if i'm climbing open climbing system....I have to untie the biner and my double fisherman's knot to get climbing line thru the rings?

[@NelsonReyesJr]

Well done!

[@rambosquirrel1208]

When deploying from the ground couldn't you just start with the throw line already fed through the large ring so you wouldn't have to feed the entire line through after you're line is over the target location?

[@lukeharrington904]

Curious, can't you tie the throw line through the splice eye to pull it back through instead of tiring around the rope a few times then a clove?

[@combustible420]

Learned a lot. I've got a multisling, I think when you use the frictiin saver you have to remember to get the big ring set up 1st. Either way good vid... I find with the multisling you just clip the carabiner in whenever you feel like it....

[@jolejuma]

Good afternoon. What type of string do you use for the sling? The one I'm using breaks me. I used it for spearfishing, for the harpoon and when I do some strength, it rubs against the pine branches and breaks. Thanks for your videos, you learn a lot.

[@danielzimbrich6884]

Put the throw line through the large ring before you throw the line over the limb as a time saving technique

[@andrewsantillan6737]

Yes put the beginning of the throw line through the big ring put throw bag on then throw it over the branch and continue the process so that way you don't have to pull the entire length of the throw line through

[@foreveramerican1368]

good video

[@joshrees6200]

Hi there, is it possible for you to post up a video of how you can use a double rope in conjuction with lanyard/flipline hen blocking down on spikes??

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Hey Josh, the only way that I know to come down a spar in doubled rope is by using some sort of friction saver type device. That device goes around the spar, and your climbing line goes through it, so that you can rappel down if you need to. Hope this helps... - Patrick

[@user-gi3xj8nz3s]

Good video very informative 👍. What type of climbing rope would you recommend for a home user just doing some clearing of tree branches and 1 small palm tree 15’ apx.

[@Oldfrisian]

Nice and open tree, more complicated if there are more branches

[@Timberstreetales]

Bruh u soo smart

[@zacheryhenderson497]

How did you get up to your tie in point at the beginning

[@carlosmartinezreborned6403]

Great video. Just the information I was looking for. I just subscribed to your channel.

[@passagecreekbees348]

That's slick

[@jamesgreen105]

Why didn't you just put the throw line through the big ring before you threw it up in to the tree

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

That would be fine in the most simplistic scenarios, where you are just throwing the line up and over an easy target. I'm usually trying to hit something more difficult which will require a lot of manipulating the line, including using both ends of the line to get it isolated. But yes, you're right, you can just put the line through the big ring first. Thanks for watching!

[@jamesgreen105]

EducatedClimber.com it's fine and good video

[@index7787]

If it's up a tree, there isn't that much throw line left on the ground, it takes 10 seconds max.

[@quinnpritchard8947]

Will rain hurt it? Can I leave it outside in the rain?

[@jerzllano]

Great video

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thank you!

[@outlawgrower8008]

Great Vid :) Stay safe brother.

[@julianalderson6996]

use one its good, mate uses single rope then pull drt up, like that to just saves havin to go up an set cambium saver" specially when hard to thro line round limb"

[@JacobAHull-nx6rx]

Great info...thkx

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thanks for watching. Thinking about doing a 2nd friction saver video, to cover the stuff that I didn't get to in this one....... - Patrick

[@we_the_treeple4072]

May I ask, what brand rope are you using?

[@Medium0Rare]

noob question... why run it through the green side first? if you pass it through the yellow side, then the green side, then reattach the ball... seems like it would save you from having to pull the whole throw line through it. unless there's something I'm missing, because again - i'm a total noob.

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Needs to be done this way to retrieve it, rope can pass through the big ring first, gets caught on the small ring, enables you to pull the whole thing out... - Patrick

[@Medium0Rare]

@@TreeMuggs_PatrickM Makes sense. I watched another video with some English guy after I asked this. He ran the throw line through the wide hole, tied the weight on and let the saver sit on the ground, then threw the weight, lowered it, took the weight off, passed through the small side, put the weight back on, then set the saver. 6 to one, half a dozen to another. This video kzbin.info/www/bejne/b5q9nI14hpKgsMk around the eight minute mark. Thanks again for the video and the response. I'm a total noob that has become fascinated with this stuff the past couple of weeks and I've been going down the rabbit hole watching videos everywhere I can find them. So much great information out there that you are contributing to.

[@dutchtennhard2860]

I don't know how y'all do all that shit but I want to learn

[@freshpootube]

How’d he get up there?

[@adamcastro8497]

Educated climber was is a good camera to buy for filming while climbing ?

[@lyricderbin1169]

If you have a rope with only one splice, just send the non spliced end through the rope. When it's up in a tree you'll just have to pull a little bit of slack through.

[@rukinaa]

Thanks for the very informative and well explained, straight to the point video! So easy to understand. So I learned climbing on SRT a year or so ago, just as a fun thing to do because I've always been fascinated by this. I've been using a petzl grigri 2 as my climbing device and it's been great. Not ideal but works just fine, I always use a basal anchor with a heavy duty clevis (makes me feel better about it I guess) but I just recently gave in to buying a zigzag with a rope wrench because it just seems simpler and faster than my grigri.. Now I can use that as a SRT device obviously but I am really interested in trying DdRT with it and I have not yet thought about buying a friction saver because I am wondering if it is really a must have? From the research I've been doing all I can come up with as a conclusion is that it will save my rope's overall life time. My questions to you are, What are the main advantages of a friction saver compared to using none? Does it hinder the safety by any means to climb Ddrt without a friction saver? I inspect my gear every single time before use and mostly always afterwards for any wear or signs of failure. Brian

[@keithklassen5320]

Using a friction-saver does keep your up and down movement much more consistent and reliable, and that can contribute to safety, but if you have climbing experience it probably won't make much difference for your safety.

[@alexmelnua]

Brian! Did you use a shackle on the basal anchor? What knot did you attach it to? Alpine Butterfly or another knot? Write please! I'm very interested in your experience! I have a construction shackle with a diameter of 10 mm, but I have not tried it in the basal anchor system yet! Brian, or maybe you meant the use of Qwickie, and not the shackle?

[@rukinaa]

@@alexmelnua Hello Alex, I did use a 20mm shackle/clevis as a basal anchor with an alpine butterfly knot. A 20mm shackle is overkill and heavy (makes a good throwing weight aswell to get the rope over a branch!!) You should be safe with a 10mm shackle either way

[@lucasurlie2372]

But how do you lower the throw line under control after you lower the friction saver under control from the throw line??? Just kidding. Thorough and well done video!

[@TomBrooklyn]

Is having a throw rope bag important?

[@Texmex49090]

Lo único malo que la hace mucho de emoción 👍👍

[@paul-erikrosenbaum2259]

{•¿•} THANKS FROM NORWAY FOR A VERY INFORMATIVE VIDEO {•¿•}

[@peterellen9848]

What friction cord is that??

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

It's HRC

[@kivaswander5537]

EducatedClimber I gotta get some of that, wesspur has hand spliced HRC

[@matthewneve3958]

Friction saver limb walk

[@rubenramos9415]

Quiero las medidas delas argollas, alguien que ya sabe que me responda

[@michaelpcooksey5096]

Google Translator es bien.

[@TreeCamper]

Is that first hitch a michoacan?

[@richarddodds9326]

Not last, Echo cold start 1 pull.

[@kayakmaccaz9256]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇬🇧

[@benholberry1832]

Zigzag 👍🏻

[@mr.thomas5186]

Welcome to climbing school, you're late😁

[@danthediggerman8459]

by a year lol

[@abowhand]

And I thought rope climbing arborists only took jobs if trees already had ropes growing in them!

[@rabbitdog42]

You are lucky that you are not dead, or in jail. OSHA inspector driving down the street and sees you doing this and records this activity and you likely would be fined and jailed here in NC. Wrong equipment, wrong technique, no anchor, no fall protection back up, damaged the shingles, damaged the open valley, improper ladder, improper ladder placement, and the errors go on and on. Hopefully in the 4 years since this "missions job" was posted you have gained more experience and now use the correct equipment (crane, with cage, bucket truck with articulating boom, or erected sc affording to avoid roof damage , chimney damage, and your loss of live when you anchored to that chimney then pulled it over onto yourself. No job is worth your life, Joe. (Paid or not)

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Mmmmmmright... did you watch this video? - Patrick

[@lancerudy9934]

Great video😊

[@TreeMuggs_PatrickM]

Thanks brother