Educational? RTA #6 - LD Robo Cleave w/ Craig, Moore, Nepthys, Robos (Summoners War)

[@zucchino87]

Amazing series keep going!!!

[@Folisaa]

Yisssssss part 6! Keep those Apze these are grear, motivates me to spam wings this season. Gonna watch it on the weekend. The thumbnail faceshots! They are evolving haha love it greetings from northern europe

[@phuchoang9756]

Beth and Savannah is a good addition with this kind of cleave :) I'm running this but with swift moore and high dmg kaki

[@jvstdare7119]

never stop this series, it's great! also keep diversifying the comps, it's always fun to see different comps

[@bennewton7555]

Awesome. Ur swift is faster on alt. I've never got a natural 30 quad in my years of playing..

[@zacheus7466]

Love this series! How would you draft without using wryu? I'm trying to learn how to, I have elenoa craka and dark kassandra. When I try to CC with chiwu I get wrecked by wryu hae. When I try to draft around hae cp I get wrecked :'(

[@ApzeTV]

If you don't use moore, I think right now you probably need to be drafting haegang. Especially if you want to try to use Craka. Dark Kassandra is one of my most wanted units, but you'd typically be trying to use it as part of a late snipe pivot, like if you went haegang/craka/elenoa, you could also bring kassandra/draco (just an example). It's hard to contest speed if they weren't already, and those two together can one shot almost anything turn 1. There's a lot of different ways you can draft those 3 so a lot would could come to how you like to play it or what your runes are best for.

[@zacheus7466]

@@ApzeTV I've been doing a lot of dark kassandra elenoa raccuni with a high dmg dom so basically I can give dark kass 2 snipes or dom 3 turns. It works but I'm struggling with the spd contest. I think I'm having issues with the first 2 picks in pick ban phase and determining when/how to pivot. Thanks for the insight brother, I'm loving the content. Please keep it coming!

[@xander2290]

Even the cat is an LD abuser in his own account.

[@KnlghtArtorias]

That 21% acc CP takes balls to bring into a SWC Player :D

[@ApzeTV]

Accuracy is a myth, just put hopes and dreams on your guys and they will perform!

[@KnlghtArtorias]

@@ApzeTV Tell that to My 76 acc cp who cant reset valantis once 😂

[@kemoyjohnson4333]

11:17 and yet Seii is crying about despair being OP

[@desertrambler09]

Lol imagine thinking one instance of a lucksack set not activating means anything about it's balance.

[@kemoyjohnson4333]

@@desertrambler09 except that was clearly what? 12 or 16 instances where it didnt active?

[@desertrambler09]

@@kemoyjohnson4333 The probability of despair not activating on an aoe is lower than the probability of it activating twice on an aoe. Give me a break lol, it's a lucksack set and not balanced compared to how vio is regulated in rta.

[@TrueHunter999]

The cat is the best LD5

[@Max_W02]

I might stop playing for some time. Haegang makes rta so ridicilous, Hes good into everything and doesnt really have a Natural counter except for Maybe tian lang. And since i dont have him its yet another season With an unbalanced unit i dont personally own

[@ApzeTV]

The main way you counter him is that you have to have either a no-debuff large pushback (triton) or a very large speed boost ahead of him (swift verd), or you can just snipe him out with something like sonia. He's still not super fun to play against, but he does have counters.

[@Max_W02]

@@ApzeTV Yea Maybe i didnt say It the right way, I personally definetly dont have counters to him. I dont Play Turn 1 (currently, i am Farming Giants alot to get there) and dont have a Sonia. My Main draft Always included giana and she is basically useless now because haegang is runed Up by anyone that has him. Josi haegang Last Pick and i have big issues. If i pivit Into Turn 2 i still Play With single target Strips as Well as cleanses, so Hes annoying into that as well. I think His Strip into atb mechanic is a bit busted, but having the ability to make cleanse Units Like racuni boost your entire Team by 20% Every time a cleanse Happens on the field is Just ridicilous from a Turn 2 Perspective

[@ApzeTV]

@@Max_W02 For sure. My best advice is just to always pick Giana as a last pick; this is how I would be using her if I had her. She's still insanely strong, just she also has a couple of very strong counters. Another thing you can try is just bringing a couple of single target strips + an immunity buffer (miles, sekhmet, etc) as it allows you to selectively desync their followups if they're going turn 1. If you're 100% going turn 2, your best bet might just be to draft leo and ban out haegang. Turn 1 players hate this simple trick! :D

[@Max_W02]

@@ApzeTV OK, i will give it a try :) I have Bella as Well, havent Figured Out to implement her into going Turn 2 though

[@erkkadzai8226]

And they say light Nana is trash lol

[@Kurasch..]

If u don't have time to play in that acc, I can play for u

[@TheJordanallen14]

I've been recommending this series to guildies love it!

[@janmarvinmorera]

These videos are always a treat to watch, I’ve been learning a lot from the thought process but I’ve enjoyed everything you’ve put out, thanks for the videos Apze 🙏🏽

[@peterriley3249]

Evening from the UK took your advice, used about 40 rehab stones best I got was +16 speed on a swift legendary, still got 100 plus the other type, will roll them all into swift do another youtube video on stuff you only get three a week plus in game playing so to get 120 rehabs will take free to play less than a year, what for no Quad roll into speed. So I watched your video in chunks, life gets in the way, but without +225 speed you abused just saying, I enjoyed your video, so just do what makes you happy. But I have found out you pretty much want 100% accuracy if taking first turn. Best of health Sorry to hear you cats been poorly Peter and lucky the Boxer Dog PS My tessa as seal runes, no effect, ever

[@louis1111111111111]

for your question at the end, both are good, i dont know what you prefer to do but i like the normal thought process pick and ban and the team creation. for new team maybe focus on 1 or 2 units ( that we dont see oftenbut have potential) at a time to see how to play them ( exemple tomoe, ren, zaiross/molong, amber, brita/ eleni, coco , smicer)

[@bwybwy5392]

Do you think lora would work well with double robo?

[@selimkocer7475]

22:51 you can do the same with swift verde

[@yuteh5008]

Hello, really good showcase of these units. May i ask when do you choose Amduat. Its for disruption and AOE despair damage right? May i ask who else does his role? I almost have all of the core units here except him and i wanna touch rta soon. 😊 Edit: youve said antares instead of amduat in a match with veromos, but i guess antares is for more vs turn cycling team

[@ApzeTV]

You’ve got it exactly right. I typically pick amduat when I think they might outspeed, so I have at least a chance of RNGing them, or sometimes in slot 4/5 when they have last pick. I didn’t do it much in this set but Poseidon is a really really strong last pick but is very vulnerable to Leo. If you have the swift set to do it, another high speed damage unit would likely work in amduats spot like ethna or Sonia, but it would need to be legitimately fast and well built. Against any sort of team that you will outspeed even if they ban Craig, all of the normal good follow-ups should work, like Charlotte, cheongpung, poseidon, etc. The other way is to draft forcebans or other turn cutting units, like abello/giou, but they’re kinda suboptimal at they don’t work with the core draft quite so well. With good rune efficiency it could play out as a bruiser though.

[@planetpoog]

thank you for these videos!!

[@ARandomPersonAgain]

So much RNG, I hate RTA.

[@joshly5004]

Please do a slow cleave episode! Love the content, learning so much. You’ve inspired me to change my playstyle since you make all these teams so approachable. Trill_It is my idol 😅 his cleave teams are top notch

[@ApzeTV]

I'm not sure how viable slow cleave is at the moment, but I can definitely try :D

[@jvstdare7119]

i'd love to see that too! tried some praha + sagar comps but didn't have much success

[@romape5410]

If I don´t have Craig, is there a substitute I could use? I´m currently running Moore, Cheongpung, Nephthys + CC or Counterpicks, but your kind of team seems to be a lot of fun. xD

[@ApzeTV]

A lot will depend on your swift speeds really. If you can tune to an eshir, you gain some outspeed capability that he Craig doesn't have, but you lose a lot of damage. So basically better swifts + better artifacts and the team is very likely better overall. Draco also can work and gives you immunity for better disaster control, but obviously loses a lot of solo potential that craig has (also he's faster again for speed contests).

[@romape5410]

@@ApzeTV Thank you, I'll try both. Maybe I will also try Moore or Wind Robo on Swift, as a kind of safety for turn one, if they ban the Atk-bar booster. ^^

[@FRODOPIANO]

Learned a lot thank you! "Sometimes you can win, but sometimes you cannot win"

[@ShyDream_]

brother wtf +223 on a 98 base and +33k hp is nuts

[@ApzeTV]

I love that set, its almost my most overall efficient set in addition to the speed.

[@Michael-ky8xg]

I swear the despair only happened on s1 the first half of the video lol 😅

[@ApzeTV]

Secret S1 buff from next balance patch got released early

[@Michael-ky8xg]

@@ApzeTV I'm seriously only about to put despair on a s1/2 priority unit after this lol

[@さそり-h6f]

I just love this series. It really motivated me to play rta myself again

[@zucchino87]

can you show how to play tablo jamire team?

[@ApzeTV]

You've put a dagger through my heart (I don't have tablo on either account) I may start doing "guest" accounts at some point though, in which case this will be near the top of the list :D

[@zucchino87]

@@ApzeTV sorry...XD if you want i have a very fast cleave account whit tablo if need you can play whit if you need.

[@korg8963]

Didnt know i was playing you, i had the haegang daniel yeonhong team. First day trying it out since im tired of moore cp getting rekt by haegang. Any tips to improve the team? Gonna optimize it with higher overall spd later Love the rta content!

[@ApzeTV]

The biggest thing is you really need to get a speed lead into it somewhere. I think Daniel should usually be your last pick as he's LD so he'll work into anything, and rare so he's not going to be picked out from you often. Your pick Haegang/cheongpung pick is perfectly fine, YH in 3/4 is also good, I think here is where you really want to have a speed lead drafted so YH can actually get to use her speed, then you hopefully can either forceban last pick, or a second speed lead. Into my comp in particular, Zibala isn't a real booster into haegang a lot of the time, even with Robos, so if you had brought a speed lead, I would probably have had to ban it, then you ban craig and hope haegang works. Alternatively, into robos josephine/haegang is disgusting as a turn 2'ish pivot since she will keep generating buffs for the cleanses to work.

[@singa-el9952]

You are always awesome, apze!

[@fishingfromthearea4452]

what can we use to replace neph?

[@ApzeTV]

Nephthys is difficult to replace, but technically most of the time this is really a cleave, so units like shimitae to just finish the kill, or even jamire could work (I do not yet have jamire to test, but moore/jamire/double robo/craig might actually be the final form, since craig's boost is so large and you control ATB with the robos, and a second lifesteal from craig is kinda nuts)

[@fishingfromthearea4452]

​@@ApzeTV thanks for this ill give jamire a try, been using this team and the unexpected damage is fun!

[@shadeofape2470]

howd you have the time for ur alt acc xd just curious.

[@ApzeTV]

Honestly, I don't really play it a ton. I farm on it for a couple of hours every night while I'm doing other stuff but that's why its runes are not all that good :D

[@zerestrasz]

why is cheongpung low in acc?

[@ApzeTV]

Rune depth issues, this account is not very mature from a rune perspective, so only a few units get to have anything close to ideal stats

[@zerestrasz]

@@ApzeTV i thought having CP low ACC was the secret to have him stripping something with S2. Mine is a steamy pile of yellow dressed shit when it comes to stripping. I know he has no 100% activation but still. Thanks for your reply.

[@ApzeTV]

@@zerestrasz I'm pretty sure Cheongpung's S2 strip is belief based or something. In reality I pretty much never draft teams where he isn't behind at least two strips, it's just too easy to lose a game when you have to rely on him.

[@zerestrasz]

@@ApzeTV I am going to implement your suggestion. My CP is horrible and i am more scared of him than the enemies counter picks. I draft Moore and Wind robo with an accelerator. So the counters for wind robo and CP are more or less similar. I need something to deal with Verde, Douglas and braindead units alike. If you have any suggestions i am all hears :) I usually use tesarion / cassandra / verad to deal with them but my results are not great.

[@cheesemonger9516]

Craig is grossly underrated.

[@ApzeTV]

I 100% agree obviously :D