EFAP #98 - "TLOU2 isn't Bad, You guys are just dumb" w/ Drinker, Evan Monroe, Southpaw and Fringy

[@headmetwall]

Timestamps: 0:00 - Sky Bridges & Mandalorian 6:02 - Intro: Guests, TLOU2 Mechanics, & Better Games 22:10 - TLOU2s Retcons (World Inconsistencies) 29:08 - Today's Video: The Destruction of Mentors 45:10 - Video Start / Sequel Gameplay ('Open World' & Weapons) 1:08:24 - Most Irritating Part of the Game (Inventory Management) 1:18:30 - (Lack-of) Depth of Mechanics 1:26:58 - Safe Locks, Ropes, & Feeling Lost (Balance) 1:40:35 - Difficulty of AI & Stealth 1:51:04 - Dog AI (Illusion of Choice & Some Memes) 2:02:59 - Unpredictable NPCs, ‘Like Real People’ 2:16:02 - Deep Gunplay, Combat (& Memes) 2:34:34 - Beuwen Art /Melee & Audio Gameplay 2:44:55 - Restart Masochist [8/10] 2:51:21 - The Story: Joel's Explanation 2:59:12 - Mad at the Wrong Things (Joel's Death & the Vaccine's Problems) 3:24:59 - ‘Joel is not Winnie The Pooh’ (Beloved Characters) 3:42:25 - 'Literally Nothing Heroic in this Story' (Joel & Ellie's Relationship) 3:53:45 - >Critical Drinker Leaves /Getting Revenge Bad (Abby v Ellie) 4:12:18 - About Forgiveness, Not Revenge 4:28:09 - Dina and 'People are Upset about the Doctor in TLOU?' 4:36:19 - ‘I like the Lack of Choice’ 4:50:37 - Pacifism Runs & Metal Gear Solid V 4:56:49 - Not a nice Story, ‘Don’t You Feel Bad?' (Spoilers for things) 5:14:08 - The Problems (Abby's Story) 5:23:39 - Story Chronology & ByteDance Ban News 5:34:02 - ‘Not Done For Shock Value’?? 5:45:45 - Just Mad Because [Main Character] Died 5:52:10 - Alternate TLOU 6:07:35 - ‘I must score it, 6.5/10...' Okay /Video end - Scoring the Game 6:18:50 - >Christmas v Halloween 6:21:25 - >Internet Historian wants to Guest! - Idea for a channel 6:26:33 - Superchats Start >Fringy Leaves Meisel did the superchat timestamps in the Reply to this comment :) Snips: 1:26:45 - hum 5:50:05 - Southpaw tries a British term 6:04:46 - Random Twitter tism 6:31:02 - Bloop 6:37:53 - Strange ‘Math’ by Sky People 7:16:21 - Why Moovie Should Watch Ghost in the Shell 7:22:38 - Would a Vaccine Work? (TLOU World Problems Discussion) 8:02:42 - Stunned Ladder 8:11:33 - 'Your Critiques are Poor'

[@isplat927]

Our hero

[@awooga-gunga-israel]

You're an absolute legend.

[@RebornVengeancex]

U guys really need to evolve as critics

[@stonewill9664]

I salute you fellow massive

[@orenalbertmeisel3127]

6:19:49 - Southpaw: "I haven’t really enjoyed Christmas for a few years" 6:28:45 - Rags reads about Neil Druckman, philosophical rumination and themes in TLOU2 6:30:50 - Fringy leaves 6:32:21 - Superchats begins 6:32:21 - Evangelion EFAP? - Return of The King gameplay vs Third Age gameplay 6:34:54 - uwu Rags - looking forward to this - swallow then cum - 2+2=4 - Terrance Howard math system - good luck EFAP crew - still pooping with door open? - TLOU2 went from 10/10 to 7/10? 6:38:03 - Terrance Howard explaining his math system on twitter - Babylonian/Mesopotamia math lore - Death Stranding - Hardcore Henry 6:43:50 - Dark Knight Rises criticisms (discussion with Evan & Southpaw) 6:48:20 - Southpaw's video projects and deadlines - video making tips - Emile Chaillon (Valiant) tragic character - hating TLOU might get me laid - 6:54:15 - favorite David A documentaries - Remarkable Republican's true identity revealed - Black Pilled's Joker video - world building in Jack & Daxler 6:59:05 - out of context EFAP quote - will Mauler officiate the wedding? - TLOU2 soured TLOU1 - lazy QTs - Joel related to dictators 7:04:00 - Michael Douglas The Game - my favorite massives - F- in TLOU2 - the Fireflies were right? - death of the author 7:09:55 - Southpaw's view on Taken - Fireflies on the evil scale 7:16:25 - Rags talks Ghost in the Shell - Scott Pilgrim vs the World - TLOU: world building, vaccine, The Fireflies, gasoline - realistic armor in a TLOU universe 7:39:11 - playing good vs playing evil in Infamous - RDR > TLOU - Fireflies' best doctor is a veterinary - every black TLOU character died - Black Abby 7:46:31 - Gimli cutscene - TLOU surgeon - Abby poops with door closed - TLOU doctor - bloaters - Cosmonaut EFAP main villain? - Cosmonaut vs MovieBob 7:53:33 - clips vs magazines - Cosmonaut's Joel claim - deceptive marketing: TLOU2 vs Infinity War 8:02:43 - Tree attacks ladder and it gets stunned (top-tier Third Age gameplay) - Plant vs Zombies? - Joel killed Epstein - EFAP is the Michael Jordan of podcasts 8:06:35 - Rags reads TLOU2 review parody? - Third Age mechanics - girlfriend reviews TLOU2? 8:12:00 - brutal Mauler criticism - Bible Man is less manipulative than TLOU2 - game journalists detached from reality - reasons behind TLOU2 backlash - TLOU2 the TLJ of video games 8:18:21 - "subverted expectations" true meaning - TLOU1 bittersweet ending? - CPU advice - Tommy surviving headshot 8:24:40 - screenshot of Tommy getting shot - end scenes in TLOU vs TLOU2 8:29:12 - Abby sex scene vs Isle of Man flag - the real TLOU2 ending - Bioshock Infinite lets play? - white men don’t get TLOU2 - bad Cosmo takes 8:34:13 - a sequel in another universe - Waterloo - youtuber Savage Books - Fellowship of the Ring game? - funniest TLOU2 moment - I responded to Cosmo 8:41:50 - TLOU2: troubled development, leaks, behind the scenes drama - The Grey's marketing - 1.2 billion song? - Alien Isolation - Fullmetal Alchemist - are sequels necessary? 8:48:10 - collab with Drinker - tsundere - Iron Giant reference - less funnier EFAP dudes - Mass Effect bad - wort barriers in games - best Mass Effect - Sniper Elite AI 8:59:56 - TLOU2 AI - stealth in games - luring away dog AI - Troy Baker's defense for Joel - Smash Bros - Dunning-Kruger + Jheri curl = Cosmo - Sarah's death 9:12:50 - Batman Arkham Night/Nightfall ending bad - Rags ruined Wilford Brimley - fiction as empathy practice 9:20:15 - EFAP 100 submissions - Batwoman - next EFAP - Southpaw and Monroe talks about their channels - upcoming EFAP content - Mauler's video projects Edit: replaced cuties with QTs (quick time events)

[@luxie8097]

"Everyone just hates TLOU2 because they killed Joel" - Cosmonaut "Joel isnt a beloved character" - Also Cosmonaut

[@austinjohnsen4430]

I’m convinced he doesn’t proofread his shit.

[@GJGaming208]

Holy shit, that is pretty damning.

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Austin Johnsen I doubt he knows how to read

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@Mario Carrillo Well, we already knew that

[@leonardodavi2695]

Logic has left the building!

[@sophisticautistic5453]

Does anyone else find it weird that Cosmonaut Variety Hour can't understand people with a different viewpoint than his when the theme of the game is understanding differing points of view?

[@awooga-gunga-israel]

*Ironic*

[@amanibob1416]

Dumb people being dumb? Nah, it's kinda their thing. Let em' have it, makes it easier to spot em' out, arrrg'ably!

[@rascoehunter3608]

His video is not really a review it is more like an argument with someone offscreen.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

@@rascoehunter3608 Not even that but it's more like Cosmo is talking to someone who is so close with him that Cosmo doesn't need to explain everything and Cosmo can just complain about the people who disagree with what he says because he doesn't want to talk to the people who disagree with him.

[@rascoehunter3608]

Most of Cosmo's critiques in this video start out by saying "people think this" or "people say this". People come here to hear his take not random people's opinions. He does this so often that it feels like it is not his review at times. If we wanted to hear random reviews we go to IMDB or metacritic.

[@SilentDeterrent]

It just baffles me how ppl like Cosmo and the video essay community will constantly spew the whole “everything is subjective and can be interpreted because everyone is different” yet IN THE SAME SENTENCE turn around and say “if you really think this game was about revenge I question how you consume media”. Like SERIOUSLY? This is the same guy who has the “evolved film brain”. Just truly no self awareness. This is why Mauler. Rags, Drinker, and others are getting more and more popular. Even with the first game he says “Ppl wrongfully believed that the first was about this”. Like I’m sorry did you just discredit another interpretation? You sound like you’re trying to stop discussion of stories Mr. Evolved Film Brain.

[@ElectromagNick]

"People wrongfully assume the first game to be about protecting your loved ones." Design philosophy and core question of the first game: What would you do for love? How far would you go to protect your loved ones? Yeah. Wonder why people would assume that's what the game is about. iT's A gOdDaMn MyStErY, _WHO KNOWS?!_

[@SFTaYZa]

SJW Levels of Self Awareness

[@spreadwuvokay]

@Grannvale Flame Emperor What?

[@spreadwuvokay]

@Grannvale Flame Emperor that makes more sense. I was struggling with the concept of something being more or less equal. In my mind its equal or its greater or less than, no gray area. Thanks for elaborating.

[@itbesilly4544]

@Grannvale Flame Emperor The bullshit “Everything is Subjective” defence is the most useless - broadest reaching load of 💩 that idiots always pull. Things are only subjective because they are beyond the scope of current measurements - the more we understand the less subjective everything becomes.

[@gottesurteil3201]

Fat Geralt ended the vicious cycle of killing that consumed Abby and Ellie. He spared Abby and Lev's life. A true testament of character. Fat Geralt DLC when?

[@mgeiger2341]

@Dog House Plot twist: He's the brother of Jimmy Cooper.

[@admpandora91]

Just give me a BMI slider for Witcher3

[@thegaminggman266]

Sorry for my ignorance but what is the fat geralt meme?

[@mgeiger2341]

@@thegaminggman266 There's a cutscene in which the Karl Pilkington look alike is knocked out by a dude who looks like Geralt from Witcher but morbidly obese.

[@harlannguyen4048]

@@mgeiger2341 YoungRippa coined the name.

[@amanibob1416]

"Let the Zebra die... Kill it, if you have to." Joel Miller

[@lorddolamite6141]

*Even the younglings*

[@theredbanana6265]

@@lorddolamite6141 master Miller, there are too many of them, what are we going to doo? Joel: *ignites shotgun-saber*

[@jaceyyyyyyyy]

"Kill the zebra, and let the Joel be born"

[@DisplayThisOkay]

I want a secret ending to the the Frist Last of Us where Joel is driving away from the Fireflies's hospital and he accidentally hits the zebra with a car.

[@Gapeagle]

"I want every gun we have to fire on THAT ZEBRA!!!"

[@noahmccullers3397]

What makes Cosmonaut worse is that in 3 months time he will make a video on why a piece of media sucks using the reasons he said TLOU2 was good

[@SilentDeterrent]

Right like why the fuck did he bring up TLJ again? It’s like he actually thinks his reasoning sticks well and has longevity when in reality it’s a very basic flaw he makes.

[@charmandyorton006]

Or worse... he calls a *GOOD* piece of media “bAd” trying to prop up TLOU2

[@theflashgordon193]

that why while I find his video entertaining and I like his personality, I just don't take him seriously as a critic

[@rollrcoastrbacon2725]

Yep that’s always been his MO with reviewing stuff

[@johncena2331]

Literally his aquaman review, many of the reasons he says that movie is bad could be applied to tlou 2.

[@jjjmadness8306]

It's bad enough that Cosmonaut has this condescending tone whenever he makes a video. Especially when it's something he likes but is hated by everyone else. But he will flat ignore as to why people hate it and will just make up lies as to why they hate it. People didn't hate this game because they simply kill off Joel. They hated it because they killed him off in such a disrespectful way and outright shit on him even after he's dead, all because he dared to save Ellie from dying for a supposed vaccine that had such a low chance of being made in the first place. Not helped by the fact they force you to play as Joel Killer Abby and they tries so hard to make you like her in the most hamfisted way possible.

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

JJJMadness He saved a Zebraaah!

[@capttinklebutt3837]

@JJJMadness Let's also not forget that it's a retcon

[@thealphaincel1619]

I don't think I would've mind Joel dying that way if it was actually earned and didn't undermine logic.

[@leonardodavi2695]

Yeah it's a complete strawman. Joel's death was absolutely expected, even before the leaks. Almost no one is complaining about the fact that he died, it's HOW he died that almost everyone that hated the game is mad about. It was so nonsensical, disrespectful and badly rushed that you get the feeling that ND resented the character and wanted to get rid of him ASAP and in any way.

[@itbesilly4544]

He flat out ignores why people hate it, claims people “don’t know why they hate it”, then explains flaws in the story which are part of the reason people hate it - Big 🧠 Cosmo 2020

[@thegreatsun6571]

A perfect example of shock is Ned Stark getting his head chopped off at the end of season 1 in game of thrones. Slowly built up and even made me angry, but I was angry at the characters in the show. I was not angry with the people making the show.

[@badgasaurus4211]

Agreed. Everyone wanted Cersei and Joffrey to he destroyed.

[@freezysyahz]

@Christopher Marlowe 😂😭

[@soandso3676]

The Rue Morgue yup, everything he did was completely in line with his character. He just didn’t account for the dubious nature of the people he trusted and the consequences of his moral code.

[@aw7400]

Ned Stark's death should be used as a perfect example on how to kill a beloved character properly and still get a strong emotional response from the audience. Ned died because he refused to budge on his principles and he suffered from naivety and trusting the people around him to do what's right. These are the qualities that made him a strong leader in the North and what endeared him to the audience over the course of the first book / season. It also helps build the story of how the people in power and the people of Kings Landing operate under a different ruleset than the people in the North. It also helps that they never try to paint Cersei or Joffrey as likable later on. They are absolutely despised as characters and the story dumps heaps of karma on them that are direct results of their actions.

[@slicknichobbs6296]

perfectly said, the best hero deaths are the ones that’re perfectly set up and make sense with what’s been established, the red wedding is another perfect example

[@MessyGamer616]

4:25:00 They also NEVER PAID JOEL for his work. They were never planning to. The fireflies, who were LITERALLY terrorists, they bombed civilians to try to get to government agents, planned to capture and murder what to joel at that point was his surrogate daughter, for what likely was a >1% chance at a "vaccine for fungi" ignoring to impossibility of such a thing. Thats not to mention the dismal state of the surgery room, the lack of supplies, tools, and likely highly trained personnel, and the fact that they refused to follow basic moral and legal (sure no laws still exist but they were put in place for significant reasons) practices by not even asking for Ellie or her guardians consent (YES. Joel at this point is her guardian. Marlene at best was a friend of her mothers who was absurdly negligent of the charge ellies mother put in her care. she ignored this little girl who lost all her family for YEARS, sending her off to boarding school until she found out she could be used for her own purposes. at this point joel has spent at a minimum a year with this little girl, with a history as a father. You cannot be so stupid as to unknowingly delude yourself into believing Marlene was to be considered her guardian.) based off their descisions, ON TOP of the fact that these people would likely use this for at a minimum a bargaining chip, and at worst a power play, and they planned to essentially KILL joel, yet people consider his actions both morally and ethically wrong. not even a shade of grey, he is just simply wrong. I genuinely HAVE to believe that these people are psychopathic

[@connorh7120]

I have a feeling the people thinking Joel made the wrong choice also are those weirdos who for some reason despise children. I have no other way to explain their take on what Joel’s choice was. Honestly, if you pay any attention in TLOU1 it’s very clear the firefly’s are awful terrorists who were looking for a power play using shoddy science. Who in their write mind would let a child be murdered so that a terrorist organization MIGHT gain a vaccine. Massive levels of WUT going on.

[@jospehpenn3033]

Who cares thats not why joel saves her

[@adamjames8854]

Not only did they not pay him, they were gonna take all his weapons and gear as well lmao. Like a you finished the job tax lmao

[@gamingeuphoria7928]

​@Connor h lol you do realise in order for a cure you need to go one step at a time... millions are dying so we can xefintily sacrifice imunne people to find a cure common sense... that's how science and research works... trying anything helps... But yes part 2 acts like they were 100% certain they were getting a cure which is cap..

[@danialtarki572]

TBH, Joel was in the right for trying to prevent her murder and their inefficient process of taking samples from her. I knew this back in 2020, and that was when I originally started to care for The Last Of Us before the second game even came out.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

The Joker isn’t a beloved character. He kills people just because he wants to.

[@theflashgordon193]

his a beloved character people are just not agree with what he does

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Gordon rass kwasi That was sarcasm. You couldn’t tell? Seriously, no one seems to be to tell I’m being sarcastic unless I put a little sarcasm disclaimer on.

[@theflashgordon193]

@@austinjohnsen4430 my bad sorry I didn't see it. It look more evident now that I read your comment again

[@markusandrew3680]

Austin Johnsen I honestly couldn’t tell it was sarcasm. You should’ve used the UpPeR CaSeS, lOwEr CaSeS PaTteRn tO MaKe It mOrE oBviOUs.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Cure4Living You do know I was joking, right?

[@literalvampirepotbellygobl5629]

Just as an aside: if you have children, and you would let a man you just met murder one of them because he says he's a doctor who can use the kid's brain matter to cure cancer, then please put your kids up for adoption. You are not a fit parent.

[@ForrestFox626]

Anyone willing to sacrifice a child (even the brattiess little shit) should never be allowed to be involved with kids in any way!

[@justinbotkin]

These people don't have children. I would nuke the entire world if it would mean my kids would be safe.

[@gametrollerprime1594]

And y'all lowkey shouldn't be a part of society if you're not willing to make that damn sacrifice. Not saying Joel had any reason to trust the Fireflies but...

[@justinbotkin]

@@gametrollerprime1594 It is evolutionarliy ingrained in us to protect our family/tribe before all else. One of the reasons we raise our children to benefit society is so society sees their worth and they can then in turn be benefited by society. If you think any parent shouldn't be a part of society if they'll violently protect their kids, then you must not have kids. My children are a part of me and their mother and no one matters more to me than them.

[@haydeng3316]

EXACTLY

[@DeadlyDanDaMan]

Let's all just ignore that Abby's dad had a knife and was going to kill Joel if he tried to take Ellie. EVERYONE seems to forget that. Joel didn't kill him in cold blood. He left him with no choice. PS: It's 100% against the Hippocratic Oath to take another person's life to save someone else, even if it thousands of people, which is EXACTLY what Abby's dad was going to do. Abby's dad was not a proper doctor.

[@ehcmier]

But then you're ignoring the whole saving the human race part. Both things matter very much.

[@ElectromagNick]

@@ehcmier _Would_ it save humanity? It working to immunize people against further infections alone was a remote chance, and the actual impact without the ability to mass produce and distribute a cure if it did work, the risk of the Fireflies simply using it for their own gain and not strictly for the betterment of humanity (remember, they're _terrorists_ that are okay with civilian casualties and outright murdering Ellie "for the greater good"), the risk of factions starting a war over it, and the simple fact that being immune doesn't stop a clicker from ripping your throat out all mean that a vaccine would be of dubious value. The world is so thoroughly screwed and I can't imagine murdering Ellie for a remote chance at something to eventually helping some people, maybe, to be worth it. And it _is_ murder, they didn't get her consent, they kept her under sedation after she nearly drowned and decided her life was worth less than a longshot hope.

[@mgeiger2341]

@@ehcmier At the beginning of the outbreak, they had a fighting chance. Now that it's 20 years afterwards, they don't even have a snowballs chance in hell.

[@HunterSThompson123]

Right for some reason people seem to have forgotten all about that. It was a pretty straight forward you or me situation. That doctor basically killed himself there suicide by Joel style.

[@beneficent2557]

He actually took the Hypocritic Oath. So best doctor actually.

[@maxg2335]

I swear Marcus goes out of his way to say the absolute stupidest shit imaginable "Game mechanics not functioning consistently is unpredictable and keeps you on your toes" Being poorly made is a good thing now apparently.

[@theflashgordon193]

wtf

[@365autorifle8]

And in regards to unpredictability, what if the enemy has a one hit kill move that they can pull out at any moments notice? Not like the enemy itself is a one hit kill type of enemy like the chainsaw guy in RE4. But like an enemy that has a random chance of using a one hit kill move. Man, that's always fun to try and predict. And it sucks when you fight an enemy/boss for the first time and they use that one hit kill move to instantly end the battle.

[@JesusRamirez-vs9bd]

@@365autorifle8 This did eventually happen and was the problem with the Hunters in the RE3 remake. They have an insta-kill they can use at any time, that cannot be countered, with a windup so similar to another attack that by the time you realize what it is, you are already dead.

[@ShmuckLord385]

@365 Auto Rifle Halo 4 elites axe kicking you straight into a coffin.

[@danialtarki572]

TBH, Far Cry 2 sort of did this right. The thing in quotes, that is. Far Cry 2 wasn’t poorly made.

[@leonardodavi2695]

"Joel isn't a beloved character" is, BY FAR, THE dumbest claim made to justify a badly written story that I've ever heard. And I watched the CinemaWins guy defending TLJ. And TRoS.

[@johnherb4243]

It baffles me how he can say "people are just mad because they killed Joel" and "Joel is not beloved" in the same video.

[@michaelplowman8674]

And at least it's Wins' schitck to like/defend things.

[@saviorbob]

Well he changes the damn point like right after he says that to joel is not a hero because I guess he couldn't prove joel is not loved

[@leonardodavi2695]

These so called "reviewers" manage to write video scripts defending badly writen stories that are somehow even more inconsistent than the stories they desperately try to defend.

[@leonardodavi2695]

@Javin Newell It was just a comparison. The CW guy sometimes grasp at straws, but this guy went to a whole new lvl of stupid arguments. He's really scraping the bottom of the barrel for ANY arguments he can find - no matter how wrong - in order to protect the ungodly mess of a plot that is TLOU2. IT leads me to believe he's being payed to do it;

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

...so according to Cosmonauts logic... Darth Vader Emporer Palpatine Luke Skywalker Princess leia Captian America Black Widow Thor Hulk Master Chief T1000 Predator Goku Vegetta Kratos Solid Snake Nathan Drake Po Darth Maul Thanos Spiderman Superman Wonderwoman Green Lantern Metal Beak Terminator Sarah Connor Alien Ellen Ripley Obiwan Kenobi Black panther Boba Fett Jango Fett Valdamort Smaug Han Solo Khan Iron man The Joker Deadshot Darkseid Jack Sparrow Indiana Jones Davy Jones Harry Potter Anakin Skywalker Shadow the Hedgehog Leonardo Raphael Michaelangelo Donatello Shredder Ethan Hunt Toothless Captian Price Samus Danny Phantom Lara Croft Starkiller Darth Revan Moff Tarkin Nick Fury Star Lord Rocket Racoon Groot Gamora Red Skull The Mandalorian Darth Malgus Viktor Reznov Dimitri Petrenko And hundreds of other Characters arent beloved because they have all taken part in killing a person..... Imma forget...this guy has 1 million subs for a second....

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

He's the same person who said we shouldn't hate Rey because she's not a Mary Sue because she's just a protagonist who is good at things like Luke and Anikin

[@oddballskull1941]

Lol all of that and one grammar error at the very end

[@niksin9941]

@@oddballskull1941 well he butchered some names but im okay with it

[@isaiahgarraway5568]

@@GhostwalkerSparrow the funny thing with that is that anakin and luke are only really good at one or two things while tey picks up shit on the first try constantly.

[@GhostwalkerSparrow]

@@isaiahgarraway5568 But they fail lose fights ect, not to mention they both have a background in piloting and Lukr was only able to take the death star out because he user the force by guiding a missile. Different from him destroying dath Vader in a fight the first time they meet. Same with Anikian who fought count Duku once and got his arm cut off.. besides Luke and Anikian have training while Rey is just given power when the plot demands it. Let's just give her force lightning or mind trick with no build up whatsoever while Luke had to work for force choke. We don't see him train, but it's implied that he went back to yoda and finished his training, even tapping into some dark side energy to defeat his father. He wasn't just given force heal out of the blue lol. Stuff like that needs to be set up and not thrown in there...

[@samwallaceart288]

_“ER surgeon reacts to The Last of Us Part II”_ Re: Abby’s dad arguing for Ellie’s death Actual surgeon: “One death is too high a price to pay for any vaccine. There are always workarounds.”

[@shakezoola1114]

Saw that one. They might like to at least check out that part. The rest doesn't really apply to their arguments as he's telling us what sort of injuries are being inflicted. Even some of that might be useful though.

[@ohhaihaihaihai]

>Actual surgeon: “One death is too high a price to pay for any vaccine. There are always workarounds.” As an electrician I think one death is too low for a vaccine. Make it 10 or go home, bozo.

[@matth1589]

I think the moral argument is almost irrelevant because the way they act suggests that they are incompetent (the haste with which they act suggests that they are negligent) and they lack they equipment necessary to create an effective medicine or vaccine that could make any sort of difference. However, it should be noted that Edward Jenner's research into the creation of smallpox vaccine included deliberately infecting a child with smallpox, after an innoculation with cowpox. Given the time and that he was his gardener's son, I'm betting the kid didn't have much say in it. In a post-apocalyptic world where people are fighting each other over resources I suspect most of the people who are still alive will have become pretty flexible on the value of human lives. This is why I tend to think that the moral dilemma at the end of the Last Of Us only makes sense to people who aren't living in that situation. To the characters operating in that situation it's simply a question of taking what you want and killing anyone who get's in your way. Joel and the doctor are operating on exactly the same level. Arguably the second game makes it clear they are operating on exactly the same level. Both have daughters and both value their lives more than that of a similar young girl.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@matth1589 I remember something about the firefly leaders rushing Ellie into surgery against Marlene's wishes cause FEDRA was wiping them out. That tells me, the cure would be their last leverage against the military.

[@Bopperann]

Can't make a cure for fungus, and killing your only asset is such an incredibly stup!d idea, especially as it's not gonna be easy to replace. Than how to mass produce and distribute it? Also wouldn't the fireflies use this as a further means of power? Abby's dad was an idiot.

[@denkerbosu3551]

That image of Fat Geralt punching Lev will stop being funny the day Cosmonaut gets a brain.

[@nillynush4899]

We'll enjoy it for a nice long time then.

[@OutsideTheTargetDemographic]

Enjoy that memory for a very very VERY long time then. 😋

[@milesandrews6711]

@Dog House The Don is a beta male compared to the messiah fat Gerald

[@taloutezero]

Yes I agree, it will be funny until the end of the universe

[@parsa1372]

@@milesandrews6711 The saint Don slapped so fat Geralt could punch.

[@L_ZeD_117]

Spongebob:Battle For Bikini Bottom does revenge plot better than The last of us 2

[@kenkaneki3873]

Lmao spongebob forgave plankton at the end

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

@@kenkaneki3873 That's entirely in line with Spongebob's character. He's a big ol' cinnamon roll.

[@kenkaneki3873]

@@lordofthepizzapie9319 Yup. It's more consistent then the POS that is TLOU 2

[@partialbullet2215]

Plankton: I have accidential destroyed Bikini Bottom SpongeBob: So you have chosen death

[@kenkaneki3873]

@Christopher Marlowe It's really good and a way better game then TLOU 2. Cheaper aswell.

[@genebaker511]

If you want to kill off a beloved character like Joel, you better replace him with an equally beloved character. The closest one they got was Fat Geralt and that was unintentional.

[@snapslav]

I'd say they did a decent job with Jesse, intentionally.... and then they blind one-shot him.

[@takonaegi2967]

@@snapslav Jesse was just a decent guy, only one there who was aware they live in post apocalyptic world with zombies. That are the features every character should've had in this setting, to some extend. But still he was poorly flashed out, as a character.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@takonaegi2967 Well, I guess that's why I like Jesse. He's the only one behaving like one would expect and isn't just generic person

[@snapslav]

@@takonaegi2967 That's exactly my point. He was the ONLY decent character. He was responsible, considerate, pragmatic, alert, he let drama roll off his back and focused on the bigger picture. He and Tommy were the only moral characters in the entire game's story who stayed consistently moral over the course of the game. The fact that the best character(s) in the game were largely glossed over and ignored, if not utterly mishandled and "done dirty" completely, speaks volumes about the game's treatment of its characters. Reward the bag guys, because themes.

[@SheikhMawini]

They overestimated the amount of fucks people would give about adult Ellie.

[@holy1to325]

"Has Winnie the Pooh ever sinned?" is probably my new favorite MauLer quote

[@thejemstone9219]

Not up to that bit yet, but I'd argue yes. The sins of Gluttony and Sloth. Pooh loves that Hunny and is a bit lazy and sleepy.

[@hitlerjusthitlerliterallyh2700]

Ask the ccp

[@Leotheleprachaun]

@Aaeren A *Spawn enters the chat* What's this about not loving anti-heros?

[@ianparrent6012]

Winnie the Pooh has stolen honey multiple times. His soft bear claws are not clean.

[@silent6648]

Oh boy I had a real good laugh after hearing that quote, it’s top-tier Mauler thats for sure

[@pieshka4509]

"She was literally crucified~" Me: Weird, she looks tied to a pole, not nailed to a cross.

[@LuxZoltan]

If she get actually crucified I would laugh so hard they can't make she more Martyr

[@SantosAl]

Was Ellie baptizing Abby at the end?

[@singlikeyoumeanit3261]

@@SantosAl funny thing is, that could work if it weren't mixing its metaphors so badly

[@SantosAl]

@@singlikeyoumeanit3261 I know, just found it somewhat fitting/funny since we're already using biblical references.

[@itbesilly4544]

🤡 like Cosmo need to stop using the word literally when things are not literal, we have multiple words to emphasise the examples he wants to verbose. He uses the word “literally” to grandstand.

[@towers7623]

What sucks the most about Joel's death wasn't that it was unexpected, I think most people expected something to happen to Joel, it's because Joel should have died as he lived, smart, rescouceful, and protecting Ellie. Hell, any death where he died to save/protect Ellie would have inmesurably better received that the steaming pile of tism that we got. None of the major players were in character, not even the murderer from what we see of her in the rest of the game. Thus when it happens, I don't see Abby murdering Joel. I see Neil Druckman murdering Joel. And the worst part? This might have been forgiven, or at least allowed, if the rest of the game was on par with the first. Instead we got an, at best, alright game whose linchpin is noxius, tismic sludge.

[@leonardodavi2695]

Joel's death was absolutely expected, even before the leaks. Almost no one is complaining about the fact that he died, it's HOW he died that almost everyone that hated the game is mad about. It was so nonsensical, disrespectful and badly rushed that you get the feeling that ND resented the character and wanted to get rid of him ASAP and in any way.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

There is an episode of the last airbender that handled the subject of forgiveness very well. I’m of course talking about the episode where Katara realizes that while she can’t bring herself to kill her mother’s killer, she also realizes that she needs to let that anger go and forgive Zuko. A pretty realistic take on that subject if you ask me. And this is a kids show that was on a network known for comedic sitcoms like Spongebob and Fairly Odd Parents.

[@papershadow]

I like that episode, but I would say it differs a bit in that Katara says she doesn't forgive him despite sparing his life, and the underlying conflict is her projecting the trauma/hate from her mother's death onto Zuko. Compared to TLOU2 scenario, where almost all the animosity is based on things the parties involved are directly culpable for (i.e. Ellie hates Abby for killing Joel, rather than as an extension of some inner conflict).

[@austinjohnsen4430]

papershadow69 I know that Katara doesn’t forgive the guy. The point is that she let’s her anger go and forgives Zuko, because it’s a bit much to forgive someone who murdered a loved one of yours.

[@DigitalGame18]

@@papershadow I really don't the difference, the guy is directly responsible for her mother death, just because it wasn't shown on screen doesn't mean it isn't obvious he killed her and the damage it caused to sokka and katara lingered for years causing the internal conflicts.

[@papershadow]

@@DigitalGame18 I'm talking about the fact that antagonistic focus of the plotline was Katara's anger at her mother's killer being projected onto her animosity towards Zuko as well. When did I deny who the killer was? My point was that the comparison isn't as strong because unlike Katara, Ellie's conflict is strictly with the person directly responsible for her vengeance motive (Abby), as opposed to split between the responsible party and a tangentially related party simultaneously.

[@DigitalGame18]

@@papershadow Its not that you denied, its that you weren't very clear about that point, thank you for clarifying. As for the second, tbh ellies character is kinda all over the place, and the game can't seem to decide whether she actually cared about joel or not, she wants revenge at points then drops it at a hat for some girl the player barely knows only to turn right around when she gets her happy ending to throw it away back on revenge without including people like tommy who offered to take her to get it, now that could be an interesteing development for the character but the ending being so open for interpretation plus the trauma and hardships of the custcenes before make the moral seem confusing at best and disjointed at worst. ellie just seems irrational and at some points completely bitter for little reason, so its kinda hard to actually care, I can only imagine most people only went through the game because they cared about joel, not ellies revenge.

[@e.zponder7526]

Poor Drinker. Stuck in an endless cycle of TLOU2 content. The guy must have spent more than a full day discussing this shitheap of a game by now.

[@GJGaming208]

It’s like a dumpster fire-no no, a burning building. You can’t help but watch the flames as they engulf the years of effort and time it took to maintain and build that house up, only to have it destroyed by a disastrous mistake.

[@charmandyorton006]

That’s what he gets for trying to be remotely positive in his video on it.

[@eras1066]

In the domain of the Long, all must pay the price of time.

[@itbesilly4544]

@GeniiJabbers And Cosmo dancing in the fire like a madman filled with farts.

[@mrrm5456]

I’m now convinced that Cosmonaut does it for the *money.* Dude doesn’t have a single good take and the ones that are good takes are ripped off ideas from others!!

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

Nah, I just think he is dumb

[@mrrm5456]

Doctor straing Strange Or that, the Tsim is strong with him

[@johnsnow04]

You can rarely see somebody ripped apart a new one to Star Wars Rebels like Cosmonaut did in his review. Dunno what happened after that but even he admits he changed from then and how he was "too angry"and stuff like that. Point is he can dish out critique. And he has kinda cool interest in games(Castlevania, Final Fantasy, think he even touched Warhammer in his new video). But why he doesnt dish out that critique more often is the question.

[@UnicornStorm]

@@johnsnow04 I believe the first Cosmonaut video I watched was his SW Rebels critique, which I enjoyed enough... I unsubscribed a few videos later, not because I have an actual problem with the guy but because his SW video was kinda misleading for the rest of his content ^.^

[@sophisticautistic5453]

@@johnsnow04 His rebels video is weird though. Like there are things in there that make me question what he means by it and some examples can prove him wrong but I would say his review of Rebels was decent. It's when you look at his other Star Wars videos where you go, "Hey wait a minute! What about this thing you said in Rebels?" that you stop and think. He is very inconsistent is what I am trying to say.

[@thevoicej2511]

I like the argument that Ellie is under the age of consent so the fireflies should just go ahead and kill her. I didn’t realize that being under the age of consent means you can’t say no to people doing things to you. Quick don’t tell Jared.

[@TheNthMouse]

Underrated comment.

[@BlueAxeRacer]

Even if she was no longer a minor it would still be wrong.

[@Miyuki2319]

I like that when the apocalypse hits and society crumbles, the one thing that will be upheld in the aftermath is the American age of consent laws.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@Miyuki2319 Dude, ikr. That's the funniest shit to me when they say "well, she's a minor" like, oh do you see the zombies? I don't think the law matters. We just going by morals and ethics now

[@miller-joel]

@@Miyuki2319 Except...consent is 100% relevant when you are trying to morally justify what they were doing. It's very well established the Fireflies were NEVER going to ask for consent. They were going to keep using people as lab rats in their failed experiments. They had to be stopped.

[@kingbash6466]

Cosmonaut leaves me conflicted. For every good video he makes like “Why You Should Play Fighting Games” and “The Problem with DC’s Heroes”, he’s got a dozen of those “X tHInG iS gOod, YOu GuYS arE beINg MEan/duMb” videos that’s just there to make fun of detractors of said thing.

[@TheForts101]

I’m in the same boat. I like his other videos and I think his Picture Shows are hilarious. The rest of his videos are hard to get behind

[@darkpuppetlordful]

If you liked his fighting game video. WoolieVS has a getting into fighting games series where he plays a different fight game to show it off and explain it

[@arturohernandez473]

yep there are a few videos i do agree but the majoriedy are super strawman arguments or saying that people just don't under stand the contents of this x thing it's like patrick william thinking people are watching movies wrong no you think people are watching movie wrong

[@dolomaticus1180]

No conflict there, it is called " A broken clock is right twice a day" He is not a good reviewer, but every once in a while he can hit the nail on the head and get it right.

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Yeah, for every good point he makes, he makes 20 baseless and shitty ones.

[@devyboo2]

Guts: Kills people in the hundreds, often in brutal manners. Won't help people who are sure to die without his help. Is motivated by a revenge quest that consumes him for years, almost let's his last friend die because of it. Has an inner demon trying to convince him to kill the rest of his party members in extremely violent ways, almost succeeds several times Despite all this Guts is one of the most beloved characters in all of manga, people fucking love Guts.

[@GigaChadh976]

Not to mention guts takes responsibility for the awful shit that he’s done. He doesn’t blame anyone but himself and genuinely tries to make things better.

[@devyboo2]

@@GigaChadh976 The amount of mental torture and guilt Guts has gone through really does speak to his character. Guts wouldn't kill a Pregnant lady and be fine with it, he would kill a Pregnant lady and have it haunt him until his death

[@TheAlmightyLoli]

Best part is that the Beast of Darkness isn't even a demon. Guts is just so batshit crazy that his inner desire to kill anything that moves starts talking to him.

[@GigaChadh976]

TheAlmightyLoli Right. It’s kind of a cool thing where guys became a parallel to Griffith.

[@spendsshanks6050]

@@lavish263team5 Too bad it will never have an ending

[@nightbreed9305]

"Joel isn't a beloved character, you're just mad cause he died."

[@Edax_Royeaux]

Obi-Wan isn't a beloved character! You're just mad he died.

[@AnAmericanMusician]

"The only reason why Solo failed was because of your lackluster boycott."

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Those two statements don’t clash at all.

[@rascoehunter3608]

@@AnAmericanMusician did he actually say that?

[@rascoehunter3608]

"people act like Joel was the hero of the first game" that is probably the dumbest line of the video.

[@luxie8097]

"Emperor Palpatine isn't a beloved character, he's evil and kills people!" - Cosmonaut, probably.

[@Sizzox]

”The joker isn’t a beloved character, he’s crazy and kills people!” - Cosmonaut, probably

[@GJGaming208]

Or Darth Vader, Eggman, Gruntilda, Bowser, King Boo, Ridley, and basically every anime villain.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

"Probably".

[@amaplepaladin5700]

GeniiJabbers “how many breads have you eaten in your lifetime”

[@End3rDJgaming]

@@amaplepaladin5700 "The President isn't a beloved character, he kills people just for the first napkin."

[@ori.g4mi]

"Joel is not a beloved character. Also, I don't get why people have a problem with how Joel was made the bad guy in the game." - Which one is it, Cosmonaut???

[@gorade1901]

Well, those statements aren't contradictory. He doesn't get why people have a problem with how he was handled cause he's not beloved. The actual contradiction is when he says "people are just mad at this game cause Joel died", since it would make no sense that this many people would be upset at Joel's death if he wasn't beloved.

[@ravenpines]

@@gorade1901 I lost brain cells at this. You don't understand why general public is mad about the death of a beloved character. YOU call him not a beloved character You don't understand why people ... I'd call it a contradictory statement.

[@jasonpereira1030]

@@ravenpines He's talking about CVH's argument. CVH argued that Joel simultaneously wasn't a beloved character AND that people are mad at TLOU2 for killing him off. Those two statements are contradictory, if Joel wasn't beloved, then his death wouldn't have led such a large amount of people to hate the game.

[@El_Descarriado]

The real comedy, is that Troy Baker simped HARD for a game he barely features in.

[@Tony6Shot]

Surprisingly, this isn't the first time Troy chose to defend a game that was wildly unpopular with its own fanbase. Back when Silent Hill 2 HD was coming out, people were getting upset hearing about the proposed changes to the game the director and the script supervisor were suggesting, including redubbing the old dialogue with different VAs like Troy, and he tried his damndest to defend these decisions and make the fans look like the only assholes in the equation, not Konami and the team in charge of the remake. The punchline, of course, is that the buggy, broken, and unfaithful "remaster" came out to bomb financially and hurt the series as a whole.

[@SignorAde]

Which is ironic since most people are pissed that his own fucking character got character-assassinated and was basically a cameo rather than a main character, as was advertised and EVERYONE wanted.

[@GJGaming208]

I’m curious if he was encouraged to do so, or if he did it of his own volition. I want to believe he was encouraged to do it, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he did it on his own too

[@MunchingSawdust23]

It’s a job, you don’t want to shit talk the people giving you work. If they did something ethically wrong, sure, but if they made a bad game? Eh. It’s like the thing with the Fant4stic director, guy bad mouthed the studio and ended up with his career almost ruined.

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

@@MunchingSawdust23 I don't know about you but the way they assassinated beloved characters and employed false advertising USING one of those beloved characters at least borders on unethical to me.

[@RogueFox2185]

“Joel isn’t a beloved character, he kills people because he wants to!” -Big Brained Cosmonaut 2020

[@Doctor_Straing_Strange]

"Flawed character not be interesting or loved" -Dumbonaut Diversity Week

[@amanibob1416]

So much brain...

[@lorddolamite6141]

He should get on Winnie the Pooh's level.

[@massivetism]

Cosmonaut's channel only exists to piss people off

[@denkerbosu3551]

@@massivetism you would infer that just by reading his titles lol. The man preaches to the choir, and even the choir can't stand him. Imagine disagreeing with Joel being beloved ffs.

[@Le-cp9tr]

I say we call Cosmonaut “Cosmo,” after the Fairy he clearly matches in terms of intelligence

[@merric4754]

So he started off average intelligence with a great voice and then became brain dead?

[@kingbash6466]

Merric Come on. That’s disrespectful even to Timmy’s dad.

[@El_Descarriado]

Mauler is an average kid, that no one understands. Rag and Jay and Fringy always giving him commands.

[@sanemaniac7416]

What an insult to the Fairy.

[@austin9568AuraMasterDX]

Le0 90 1 I expect to hear elevator music next time I read his mind

[@crimsonpotemkin]

I still hope that Fat Geralt ate the damn zebra.

[@adrenjones9301]

Sorry no dice. Its clear abby ate the Zebra, limb by limb without killing to keep it fresh, to get her gains.

[@gottesurteil3201]

I have nothing to complain about Abby wanting to avenge her father. So naughty dog needs to think long and hard about why this reasonably motivated character is so at odds with the player. It was almost like she was simply a literal vessel for vengeance. She shows no humanity up to the point Joel is killed, and then afterward she seems to be more so a third-person perspective into the humanity of her teammates. It's like she never was a person, and hardly a "character."

[@lampad4549]

She was literal vessal of vengeance uptill she killed joel.

[@GJGaming208]

It’s because this game feels like it’s forcing the revenge plot instead of making it seem subtle with realistic feeling characters. The only character that felt somewhat subtle, consistent, and relatable was Owen. And it sucks, cause I wanted to care about Tommy, Ellie, and Jessie, but they feel so underdeveloped, and it’s all because the game takes way too much time focusing on building up that “revenge is bad”. Bruce Straley even brought up the idea of a revenge story seeming ridiculous in a world of survival (he was a creative director for the first game). It’s going to seem contrived and coincidental no matter what, cause the resources of a modern world are no longer in that universe to make it easier to search for someone. Compare “The Last of Us” world to our version of the US, and you’ll see huge differences in what’s available to people, both technology and socially constructed wise. So, I’d argue that the premise itself is flawed for “The Last of Us” from the start.

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@@GJGaming208 I mean specifically it was Tess going cross country for revenge on Joel that was shot down (allegedly Druckmann pitched it) and it was how ridiculous that trip is in post apoc and how petty it made Tess seem, cartoonishly and unrealistically petty

[@arturohernandez473]

that's was the games problem none of the character felt like they were well charcter oh here's a pregnat women, a hispanic guy that says pendjo when in danger or here's love interest who is a lesbin and asian guy because that what jessie was an asian guy that died and was forgotten until she need ellie to get her not to go after abby again throughout the entire game the guy that knock up dina is only mention after two years hell they don't even have a grave for him amd joel was done so dirty in this game he was turn into a hole in one by abby, lost his relationship with ellie and now is hate by her and is demonies by the game thinking he was bad for a cure in the first game had a chance key word "CHANCE" now the sequal said it was all but guarentee recton much

[@TheAlmightyLoli]

@@GJGaming208 If they treated the revenge plot as something similar to The Revenant than it could have been amazing. Make the focus about how difficult it would be to track down somebody in a world where modern convenience doesn't exist.

[@S4ns]

"Cosmosnaut is just dumb, you guys are okay."

[@sparkypack]

EFAP is always the voice of reason.

[@lavish263team5]

He is rather enjoyable to watch though

[@LegacyComics100]

He gave Loki a 8.5/10, I guest he’s clueless of the disaster time travel plot and the reason half the universe died is inside a moron’s desk.

[@blue-vr8dd]

​@@LegacyComics100 pretty average to me. everyone loves Loki for some reason, even those that don't like some of the other shows

[@JewishFrog]

Ellie: *kills hundreds of people by cutting their throats, burning them alive and turning them into red smudge with EXPLOSIVE ARROWS* Game: I don't see a problem with this... Ellie: *tortures someone once by smacking them to death with a pipe* Game: Don't you see how horrible and evil Ellie has become?! She's loosing it!

[@akashajones6079]

But that's exactly what Abby did to Joel...But doesn't the game paint Abby as in the right? (I haven't played the game, just heard efap talk about it)

[@peculiar3529]

I don’t think the game is saying there isn’t a problem with what you do in gameplay like Ellie aggressively tells them to shut up and stabs them slowly letting them bleed out I don’t think that’s meant to seem ok; it’s supposed to look bad.

[@blue-vr8dd]

​@akashajones6079 yea. if you've seen the stream highlights, you've basically got the gist of how they paint abby. which is where all the "fuck joel" memes come from. joel apparently did the worst thing imaginable, deserved it, and abby is really sympathetic and sad and gets to run away despite doing the same thing joel did to her, but kinda worse tbh. they can't even claim the whole "eye for an eye and the world goes blind" cliche, because if Ellie killed Abby when she could... who tf would give a shit? like it was just that bald kid with her, either kill them too or go home where you're protected, and they can't do shit.

[@taylorcrawford4387]

Something that I realized when I watched Mauler's play through of the game. If Ellie decided to not go through the revenge at the end of the game and stayed with Dina, Abby would have died by her own actions. If Ellie wasn't there to kill her, then no one would have untied her from the post she was tied to, and her and Lev would perish. If Ellie said: "You're right. I should pay attention to what's in front of me, and stay here", then Abby would have gotten her karma and possibly die at the end.

[@TheNthMouse]

Or, y'know, they could've let you press Square one more time.

[@lavish263team5]

And could have been solved If they simply gave the player a choice To stay with Dina and raise a family or hunt down abby one last time

[@miller-joel]

Ellie saving Abby is the ultimate middle finger to the fans and the characters. Ellie loses everything and everyone, Abby get rewarded for her psychotic revenge quest by reuniting with the Fireflies in sunny Catalina, with her new pal Lev.

[@JPxalaia]

i just like to point out that in a game where the directors and creators wanted to send a message that revenge is bad and violence is bad, Cosmonaut just said that murder hasn't been so glorious. Just goes to show how well their message came across.

[@ElectromagNick]

It's like the Toxic Brood said, the real message of the game is "No half measures, no loose ends, no witnesses."

[@djdeadbeat4380]

I found another inconsistency with Cosmonaut. He rightfully criticized the crap AI in Battlefront 2 (2017) but he praises the enemies in TLOU2 as seeming like “actual people” despite the AI being laughably terrible

[@GJGaming208]

But they yelled out *skins through book of names* Timmy’s name!

[@jaceyyyyyyyy]

We need to keep a tally of how many cosmonauts there are and edit a video montage of them pitted against each other

[@papershadow]

@@GJGaming208 You reminded me that they had enemies do that in Shadow the Hedgehog. Because that's a game people frequently cite as having quality characters and writing. It's almost like it's an incredibly basic trick when at the level of "say name when person dead" instead of scripting more complicated behaviors/interactions.

[@Сайтамен]

@@jaceyyyyyyyy Mauler already did. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hX6mh6dteJxpjrc

[@dodojesus4529]

@@papershadow sniper elite 4 has a small bio for pretty much all enemies, mostly about homelife etc. Its pretty cool knowing that guy you just shot in the balls had two kids

[@Wayneloser2118]

It's funny how SJW's preach about forgiveness in a game but IRL they refuse to accept any form of forgiveness or apologies from people that have "offended or triggered" them.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

No you see, what they want is unconditional forgiveness for themselves. Everyone else is irredeemably guilty on accusation.

[@adrenjones9301]

The forgiveness in Tlou2 was joel being brutally tortured to death. Thats the kinda forgiveness SJW´s require from you.

[@thorthewolf8801]

Just look at bigot sandwiches. She didnt forgive a genuine apology, but she did forgive Abby who never even felt remorse for what she did

[@adrenjones9301]

@@thorthewolf8801 Man, that pissed me off, ellie wouldnt have been a vindictive bitch over something silly like an insult. Unless those 4 Years in safety turned her into a spoiled brat like it turned joel into a trusting idiot.

[@thorthewolf8801]

@@adrenjones9301 well, she is smoking pot, and doesnt understand what Joel did, because the writers said so

[@simplythatguy5130]

I don’t own a PlayStation, but know that Joel is a beloved character. Me, who looks from the outside looking in, know more about TLOU more than the guy who played the actual fucking game.

[@Pink.andahalf]

I also don't have a Playstation, but every friend I've ever had who had one has tried to convince me to play Last of Us. I feel confident both Ellie and Joel are massively beloved.

[@ryngobrody1627]

Probably because the guy who was more responsible for the game being so good was Bruce Straley and not Druckmann

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@ryngobrody1627 I remember there was a tweet saying that Straley didn't do much for TLOU1 and it was Druckmann and Bruce replied to it like, "you don't know what you're even talking about" or some shit. It was kinda epic

[@CQchaos7474]

I don't have an xbox but I would call masterchief a beloved character

[@crimsonpotemkin]

The comparison to Winnie the Pooh is relevant, because I can't imagine Cosmo being able to comprehend anything even slightly more complicated than that.

[@proudtobeme1ashkente]

I dunno. From what I've heard, even Winnie Pooh approached some more complicated issues than just "I want honey" and "Oh no, my balloon flew away". Like learning to leave your childhood and the imaginary friends you made behind. What I'm trying to say is, that even Winnie the Pooh is too sophisticated for Cosmo.

[@Borti_Ovi]

Judging by Cosmo’s review of this game, he probably saw one episode of Winnie the Pooh and that’s all he took to consider Winnie the Pooh a good character.

[@HORSESNDOGS9]

@@proudtobeme1ashkente here, here!

[@miller-joel]

I've seen Winnie the Pooh with a shotgun. He's clearly a violent bear.

[@Сайтамен]

Winnie the Pooh: Blood and Honey just came out...

[@solarsailer4166]

"Remember, soft-spoken and fragile." - some video essayist

[@charmandyorton006]

“To sell the emotional resonance” well he uses vocal fry in this case but

[@solarsailer4166]

@@charmandyorton006 exactly my point :p

[@austinjohnsen4430]

Maybe he should switch to that soft essay voice. Think I would much prefer that.

[@Miyuki2319]

If they didn't want to be wiped out, the Fireflys in TLOU1 should have: 1) Allowed Ellie to wake up and obtain her permission before extracting her brain for their miracle cure. 2) Allowed Joel to witness their obtaining Ellie's permission and allowed Joel and Ellie to say goodbye before escorting Joel from the building. 3) Don't steal Joel and Ellie's belongings. 4) Don't threaten Joel with a weapon at close range. 5) Don't loudly and repeatedly exclaim to Joel how much you want to murder him for (as far as I can tell) absolutely nough reason. 6) If you are going to do none of the above, then kill Ellie before Joel wakes up. Tell him she hit her head underwater and went into a coma and there is nothing that anyone could have done to save her, but you are going to make her death mean something for humanity. Since they chose for none of these reasonable things to happen, my interpretation is that the Fireflys were just done with everything. This was basically their suicide by Joel-cop. This is backed up by how tired and hopeless they all are. In particular, Marlene basically sets everything up so that Joel has to kill her to avoid his or Ellie's death, including engaging him at close range on the way out the door after he's already killed pretty much everyone else in the building. I have to assume that she knew he would kill her and wanted that, or that she is so colossally stupid that eliminating her from the gene pool has raised the average IQ of humanity by dozens of points in the game-world.

[@aquapendulum]

>Allowed Ellie to wake up and obtain her permission before extracting her brain for their miracle cure Doesn't matter. A minor like Ellie can't consent anyway. Ethically, the person you have to obtain consent from is the minor's guardian.

[@Miyuki2319]

@@aquapendulum It's pointless to argue ethics in a zombie apocalypse. The list I gave is not what they should have done to be ethically correct, it is what a group that did not want to be wiped out should have done. In a zombie apocalypse, might makes right. The only arbiter of ethics in that scenario was Joel, and they failed to convince him of their authority to make these decisions. Really, they didn't even try.

[@sethbennett3278]

Joel traveled half way across the country with a teenager, coming so close to death while killing hundreds of people and zombies, and Marlene's squad barely made it to their own facility alive? If they actually thought they could beat Joel, they deserve to die just for that. Absolute idiots.

[@taloutezero]

@@sethbennett3278 It's even worse than that. That place was their base of operations from the start meaning those groups started there THEN traveled to that city Joel was in at the start of the game. They are a group that already made the journey 1 way and were not good enough to make it back whereas Joel had never been there and did the whole trip alone with ease.

[@relaxhedx7064]

@@Miyuki2319 the minor guardian wasnt joel it was marlene she was ellies mother figure and it was her decision to go through it bc she knew ellie would've wanted to

[@spacedoyster7686]

The thing about the Spec Ops situation that made me feel bad for what I had done wasn't because the enemies were humanized, but because I didn't hesitate. Spec Ops does humanize the enemies throughout the whole game; there are plenty of reminders that there's no reason to shoot at the enemies, the horrible things the enemies did have contextual reasons, and all that fun stuff, but when I got to the end, I felt bad because I rarely hesitated, and all the game needed to do was put an objective marker and have Walker say "do this."

[@takonaegi2967]

Yeah, Spec Ops' developers really knew their audience, that's why their trick worked and in TLOU2 didn't.

[@fronthal157]

Youre a brainlet

[@lorddolamite6141]

Joel leaves shopping carts in parking spaces. I agree with Cosmo, he isn't a beloved character despite being one of Sony's most prevalent mascot characters :S

[@GJGaming208]

I still don’t get why people do that, especially when they’re able to roll it out to their car in the first place.

[@sparkypack]

Leaving shopping carts in the parking spaces? That's probably the most vicious crime I have ever got to hear. Joel is pure evil!

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

It's Joel who leaves products in the wrong isle... *_On purpose!_*

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@GJGaming208 It's too much work for people to put things away properly.

[@archiedebaldo5963]

I've only just realised how odd it is for a guy to make a channel called Cosmonuat Variety Hour, and have little to no videos even close to an hour long

[@robinthrush9672]

And for each video to be on one subject.

[@tbnpunishedvenomkojima9624]

Lmao

[@mateuszmarciniak2828]

Thank god

[@perfilov4]

Super excited for Internet Historian on the next EFAP.

[@autismisuncontrollable4925]

Are you memeing or was it confirmed?

[@perfilov4]

@@autismisuncontrollable4925 6:24:11 his message in chat.

[@autismisuncontrollable4925]

@@perfilov4 Yoooooooooo

[@regancarver7263]

Just watched both Girlfriend Reviews videos on TLOU2, and it's amazing how pitifully they "respond to criticism". Straw men all around, and no honest discussion of the real problems. Please cover them. It should be cathartic.

[@teakay3567]

Remember: Joel is the root of all evil.

[@matthewcollins4773]

He's already begun his ruthless campaign of vengeance against EFAP. First, Wilford Brimley. Who knows who might be next?

[@davantebarbain3216]

JOEL EXECUTED ORDER 66

[@miller-joel]

Only according to Neil and Troy, who also claim no one loves these characters more than they do.

[@TheGodOfGravy]

The choices in Witcher 3 are so well done. Currently playing it and I feel the weight of every decision. Especially since you often get epilogues for side quests.

[@SilentDeterrent]

Yep it perfectly takes advantage of the fact that it’s a video game and utilizes alternative endings while simultaneously having a canon ending that satisfies everyone.

[@TheGodOfGravy]

Greg Rothschilds It successfully ticks all boxes through player choice and pleases everyone. TLoU2 tries to tick all boxes by removing all elements of player choice and pleases no one.

[@SPTX.]

I suggest you replay witcher 2 as well. It requires a many playthroughs to see every possibilities, it's overwhelming. Plus, some consequences of different endings carry over to the next game.

[@TheGodOfGravy]

SPTX I would, but I’m a console pleb

[@TheGodOfGravy]

Christopher Marlowe Witcher 2? On console?

[@CC-xh1ok]

CVH voices makes me want to brain myself with a golf club. How does a guy get to sounding like that? It would be like the voice to make fun of those types, but since it sounds so tism you would have to tone it down to make it not so obvious.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

He sounds like a smug massive.

[@spenser9908]

Men today apparently sound like vapid California girls. It’s nauseating to listen to.

[@pieminator6969]

The more I hear about TLOU 2 """EXCELENT""" revenge story and questionable morality, the more I wanna replay 'Spec-Ops: The Line'.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Just went through a run myself. The game does railroad you on how to advance. Not in terms of narrative, but in terms of what weapons are best for the situation and what cover to use. Still, the gun play has to be miles ahead of TLoU series since you have the ammo necessary to fight.

[@ElectromagNick]

It might actually be the impetus for me to finally play that. Or watch John Wick. But I don't wanna see the dog die.

[@Jay-ln1co]

I think a lot of people are forgetting that in the lab in the first game, you find the doctor's recorder mentioning previous cases. Indication is that Ellie is not unique and that the Fireflies have tried making a cure for a long time. There's no definitive evidence that Ellie would have solve everything, she might have been another failed experiment if they had gone through her. There's also another recorder mentioning they can't remove the parasite without killing the host.

[@elmexicano555]

A lot of people are saying those notes are fake, like, boi play the first game to see the gargantuan plotholes and retconns on part 2. Like you say, Ellie was just another (most likely uneventful) shot at a "cure", not THE cure argument I see people throwing around.

[@LeeONardo]

I haven't actually played either game (just not into zombie style things for the most part) however I heard somewhere TLOU1 was patched to remove something specific to make the fireflies look better. I don't know if it's this recorder your speak of or if what I just said is true or not but might be something to look into?

[@TheAlmightyLoli]

@Christopher Marlowe The recorder talking about the other immune people was removed when it got remastered for PS4.

[@deceptiveauto]

TheAlmightyLoli I was wondering why I couldn’t find it during my playthrough

[@margret7408]

@@TheAlmightyLoli what??? Wtf I didn't know shit about that, I own a ps3 so I play the first original copy and not the remastered one. I am literally shocked rn. Are you sure that the recorder is missing in remastered? This is unbelievable omg.

[@LightningNC]

Fringy finds it funny that an Australian would know more about guns than Americans. But are Californians _really_ American, though?

[@snapslav]

Hey! Most of Geographic CA is made up of sane people. All the crazies are bunched up at the coasts! I'm also pretty sure the "common sense gun control" crowd (i.e. people who know nothing about guns) is pretty disbursed throughout the nation... :COUGH: Michigan, anyone? :COUGH: XD

[@buttkingsley1403]

snapslav they’re more so condensed to all the major cities like hordes of wasps

[@snapslav]

@@buttkingsley1403 You're being REALLY mean towards wasps!

[@zacharypeltonen9326]

Define American

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@buttkingsley1403 Both could use soapy water.

[@sebastiankrutschoff842]

When you Google: 'is Joel a beloved character' the first article that pops up calls him 'the possibly most beloved character in gaming'. Cosmonaut really outdid himself.

[@TwentyPercentDash]

Wilford Brimley (Ascended) watches over this EFAP. I still can't believe he's gone. His performance in The Thing and his mission to overcome Diabetes was admirable. A true champion. And this community brought more awareness to his greatness.

[@matthewy2j]

Angry Joe also said that the reason Abby was given better weapons was to help drive the narrative of liking her.

[@enterprise-h312]

21:05 D&D's alignment system was created to "lock" power. So you cannot switch from being a Paladin to being a Barbarian on the drop of a hat. You can slowly change your character's outlook, but it takes a "character arc".

[@randomcatastrophe]

Joel isn't a beloved character. I can relate to that for sure. Sincerely: Luke Skywalker

[@blizzardregulus]

4:05:16 Unfortunately, that juvenile take is the only conceptualization of forgiveness that most people understand. Forgiveness isn't a platitude to be vomited up when someone digs a "sorry" out of their pocket, and it's definitely not something to be bestowed upon people who don't even think they have a reason to be sorry. Forgiveness is an acknowledgment that proper penance has been conducted; in other words, the person to be forgiven has recognized that they have done wrong to someone and they want to amends. It's not a "get out of punishment free" card. You have to want to change. Abby doesn't realize she was wrong, and still is wrong. She's not worthy of forgiveness, which makes it so much more galling that Ellie forgives that piece of roided-up filth and witholds it from Joel right up until it's too late.

[@bjakeijzer]

She doesn't have the realization that she's wrong because she's justified in her actions.

[@RocketarmsMedia]

If Naughty Dog wanted to subvert expectations (and even attempt to recover this mismatched story), why not have different endings as a result of the player; kill too many people as 'X', Ignore NPC's dialogue interactions, Give a damn knockout option, killing a certain amount of infected makes them appear more or less in other areas (affecting Abby's or Ellies part of the story). Things like this could - at the very least - make the world a bit more lively. Edit: That open area at the start with Ellie and Nina was shit bait that's never introduced again Edit: Could make all 'Absolute No Return Door' red, or as they said [Hold Button]

[@miller-joel]

If Empire Strikes Back wanted to subvert expectations, Luke, Han and Leia would have died in the first 5 minutes by getting lost in the snow. Separately. And then Darth Vader would be the hero. Expectations subverted!

[@billjacobs521]

4 years and we're still waiting on that review, Mauler.

[@TheJolle]

Cosmo is so fucking infuriating! He's wrong and smug about it "People thought Joel was a beloved character, what fools"

[@samwallaceart288]

My take on the “guitar flashback,” is that Ellie realizes she’s not just mad at Abby, but she’s mad at herself for waiting that long to give Joel a 2nd chance. This plays into the point of TLOU: Left Behind; that you can’t control what will happen in the future, so all you can do is take what you care about, and enjoy it for every moment you can. To own and fight for every minute, even if it’s the last minute. And Ellie did not do that with Joel. She wasted 4 years not realizing those were Joel’s last. Joel was bound to die eventually, somebody was going to catch up to him, even if Abby stayed in Seattle. And that’s why Ellie lets Abby go; Abby is just one of many; but it was on Ellie to not screw up her four years with Joel. Here’s the thing. This moral is incredibly cerebral and self-centered; it’s deep if you’re a fourteen yo with literally nothing else going on in their life. An adult would’ve shot Abby from the doorway, given Joel an honorable funeral, and fucking moved on.

[@isauldron4337]

Exactly My thoughts Ellie kills Abby fast and finds a hobby or something

[@rabnabombshell]

at first was like why did ellie shoot abby when she saw her but it started to make sense. ellie living in her community made her establish the feeling that she was safe. so much so it’s easy to forget how brutal the world around you is when you are living a good life in the community

[@samwallaceart288]

PapaSmurfYuh - It could just as easily make Ellie hyper-paranoid about protecting the town at any cost.

[@rabnabombshell]

SamWallace Art really? i doubt it tbh. i don’t see how it would

[@fernandosimon5621]

@@rabnabombshell That argument falls flat the moment Tommy says they can't take a group and leave the town vulnerable. There are still hunters and hordes of infected. Patrols are very strict and important to them. Why would they be if Jackson is always completely safe? It's not.

[@samwizgamgie3rd828]

Why would Ellie forgive when she can't even take the apology sandwich from Seth? Why would Abby said the she let Ellie live when she tortured Joel in front of her? There is no forgiveness just Neil's psycho fantasy.

[@miller-joel]

And why was the bigot sandwich such a big deal? First of all, in this world no one gives a ****** about anyone else's sexual preferences, but they would kill for a steak sandwich. Second, Seth insulted Dina, not Ellie. Why didn't Dina get a bigot sandwich?

[@ZeroRaider]

In today's EFAP, Cosmonaut Variety Hour pulls what we like to call in the biz, a BRAINS 100 move.

[@Laxhoop]

Everyone likes to talk about how good the gameplay is in this story-driven game. Imagine a book, where people are only talking about how good it feels to turn the pages.

[@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE]

The gameplay itself is repetitive and boring the only good things about it are the animations and what not.

[@laurene988]

That is the best comparison I've ever seen for it lmao

[@thatguygabe3488]

“Everyone is praising the gameplay of this game. How ridiculous”

[@thickoatmeal5719]

I wish people who liked this game (or idk, think this game took risks) would not be as condescending about how deep and meaningful this game is. Or say that people who don't like it are stupid, are whiners who don't like that joel is dead (cosmonaut loves to make that strawman argument), and should know that you can't criticize someone else's work of art. Anything can be criticized.

[@bmardiney]

No one show Cosmonaut The Count of Monte Cristo. He will have no understanding of it.

[@Gonroamin]

Drinker hits it RIGHT on the head at 3:23 or thereabouts. The game was shamelessly trying to grab attention for the crappy lil fanfic they wrote instead of a actual sequel.

[@BigBroTejano]

So, how long until Cosmo or some of his fans start claiming the longman has been the one to send the hate towards him and this video?(even though I saw this video before EFAP and it was already getting plenty of backlash)

[@riffsplayedinalternatekeys]

People loved Thanos in IW and he's literally the villain of the entire MCU.

[@jonnywaldis8275]

I know nobody is interested in this but bloody hell Rag's take on the Ghost in the Shell adaption and the arguments about anime as a whole annoyed me and I haven't watched anime in almost 8 years. How can he, as someone who ostensibly enjoyed stand alone complex actually endorse the life action version beyond the possibility that it might trigger interest in the general audience, which to my knowledge it did not. The movie literally changes the core themes of the whole universe, whereas the original material has a positive outlook on trans humanism and its effect on society, the movie outright depicts it as a violation, a transgression , a perversion, the overall feel, for the most part being: Technology = bad. The main character is also drastically changed, from a personality which excelled based on her specific virtuous as a full body cyborg in a society full of full body cyborgs to the very first full body cyborg ever. But more than that, she is a victim to be pitied, a innocent anti-technology radical who was kidnapped, and forcibly turned into a machine, the ultimate rape victim. The original on the other hand was in an accident and survived only because of the cyborg technology. Again everything is on its head and tuned, funnily enough considering the topic of the stream, into a revenge story. As for anime as a whole, Mauler rightly interjected that anime is a medium and anything can be depicted via a medium. The statement that something didn't "benefit" from being an anime is asinine. In the same vein, nothing benefits from being live action, if anything it's much more restrictive. Did the ghost in the shell movie benefit from being life action? Did stand alone complex lose something by being anime? This is nonsense. The things Rags and Mauler don't like are pretty much all japanese storytelling tropes and acting techniques. Were one of them watch a japanese life action show, they'd almost certainly stumble over the same hurdles they ascribe to anime, since all most anime does is depict them with slight exaggeration. Rags should just come down from his lobotomized high horse and admit he doesn't enjoy most of japanese storytelling, or he could express his disapproval of the art style, its perfectly okay, I don't enjoy it as well, which is why I don't consume almost any of it anymore. But to outright show disdain for a medium, dismissing any and all works of which he has no knowledge, speaks of proud ignorance. And it fucking hurts to see proud ignorance held up as a core principle on Efap.

[@kevinkarraker9864]

I find it funny that this comment can explain why so many individuals hate anime, but can never explain to me why. While a little on the aggressive side, I appreciate it the comment. Thx you.

[@j-psavoie8173]

Rags does live beyond his intellectual means.

[@ethanjames5727]

I just finished the super chat catchup. By the Don

[@amanibob1416]

Good on ya!

[@devildeer292]

"At first I thought this was just some cliched way to remind us 'Oh no, Joel wouldn't want Ellie to do this!' But later we see she was flashbacking to a scene where Joel and her are talking about forgiveness." So... Joel taught her to forgive instead of avenge, stating that Joel wouldn't want her to kill Abby? Honestly, the way Cosmotism tip toes around the plot for contrarian takes makes him more frustrating than most channels.

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

I find this Cosmonaut very interesting when it comes to main themes. He made a Star Wars Rebels video and said that Kanan forgiving the Clones after 1 episode was stupid and that he should always be weary of them. Then in this video he says that the game is about forgiveness and if you dont agree then you dont understand stories... This dude is the defenition if contradictory.

[@davoodoo8042]

For mgs V only person who actually treats you like a bad guy is traitor who worked with enemy and then ultimately infected your men with virus and then tried to blame you for their deaths.

[@therussiangovernment8510]

Joel wrote the last of us 2

[@vespenegas261]

Wow. Now that's a "cicle of violence" for ye

[@Ark_Hornet]

Unironically, this game would be a horrible guilt fuelled nightmare to Joel He dies due to his “choice for Ellie instead of the world” and then watches Ellie and his brother suffer because of him and he’s unable to stop them because he’s dead Whenever him and Ellie are talking about saving her he just doesn’t say what he needs to say. Nothing never quite getting completed even with his revenge stopping at the last possible moment

[@Marcara081]

3:16:00 - Call me crazy, but if we have someone who has developed a genetic immunity to fungal spores I'd want to see if this passed on to her children. If so, then the 'vaccine' becomes sperm donation from her firstborn son. Best job during the apocalypse, hands down.

[@williamisenhower7967]

When you're in the comments to look for timestamps but it's a barren wasteland.

[@Casey69ism]

Almost as if the video has been up for less than 5 minutes

[@TechnoMinarchist]

Whoever goes through 9 and a half hours of footage to give us timestamps is a legend

[@williamisenhower7967]

That's what threw me off. I seen "posted 5 second ago" and my mind nearly melted. And you're absolutely right. The man/waman that does the timestamps deserves a shout out every episode. Haha.

[@robinthrush9672]

@@williamisenhower7967 Well, it's pinned now.

[@ThatGuy-bp1ll]

Honestly Internet Historian for EFAP 99 is the most anticipated sequel of this generation.

[@yehoshua8160]

Some wise words for those that watched TLJ and this "ah shit here we go again"

[@bencegergohocz5988]

Go?

[@yehoshua8160]

@@bencegergohocz5988 ty me dyslexic

[@robinthrush9672]

It's ok, Bladder, you were pretending to be crazy at the time.

[@inquisitorbear8312]

Plankton in Battle for Bikini Bottom Rehydrated got accidentally stepped on by Patrick and he was punished more than Abby in TLOU2, and he didn’t even kill anybody (that we see)

[@louiemeister9646]

Loving all the Cosmonaut fans hating the efap gang.... they even have the same structure of insults as cosmonaut “God you guys are stupid” “You people are wrong” No explanation

[@edgarallanpwned6666]

Yep. No substance, just vitriolic insults. These people actually get enraged like an MMO raid boss when somebody objectively criticises their sacred cow

[@ND62511]

“Joel isn’t a beloved character; literally every death after the first game is his fault because he kills people just because he wants to.” -Cosmowrite Baggins

[@HawerTipeZero]

when i watched the cosmonaut review and right of the bat he said that "joel wasnt a beloved character" i almos had a stroke.... i dont know where he was in 2013 but most certainly not in TLOU fandom at that time.

[@in6087]

TLOU2 was useful in eliminating any possibility of my purchasing another game involving Druckman or released by Naughty Dog.

[@pulidoa1978]

How come they just accept that no one can use Ellie to make a cure. Why haven’t they been looking for other factions and reaching out to groups who might be able to help

[@RogueFox2185]

Because the world revolves around the Fireflies apparently, nobody else matters.

[@thorthewolf8801]

Yeah, that recording talking about Abbys father being the last capable surgeon is from the fireflies perspective, I would be surprised if not one survived the apocalypse

[@MicahDarkFantasy]

I’m just wondering... who would win in a fight? Fat Geralt vs Henry Cavill’s Geralt, OR... Fat Geralt vs Witcher III Geralt?

[@An_Actual_Rat]

Dude, I love all variants of Geralt to death but it's pretty obvious that no matter how cool Henry-Geralt or Witcher-Geralt is neither of those two could survive an Infinite Mass Punch to the face.

[@vadandrumist1670]

Yes.

[@AkosKovacs.Author.Musician]

Fat Geralt in each scenario. That right hook can knock out a God from Olympus. He is Kratos tier

[@UnicornStorm]

what about book Geralt?......oh... nah, I guess Fat Geralt would dominate

[@XxAegremxX]

Allow me to provide this insight. If I could choose to implant an assist in every fighting game from now till the end of my days. It would be Fat Geralt.

[@jadontaylor9517]

“Joel isn’t a beloved character” *me listening to this while playing Minecraft with my Joel skin that I’ve had for years

[@MrNintendeion]

I said at work that I hated tlou2 and the first thing said to me was "oh, can't handle wamen in your videogames? Waaaaaaah" Like, yeah of course I hate women, it's nothing to do with the story being a total mess smh

[@HerohammerStudios]

Someone actually said that? Holy crap

[@sweetbro1642]

Regarding CVH's comments on MGSV, you're capable of going through the game without killing almost everyone. The people you do have to kill are your own men, and you have to kill them because you trusted Huey. Venom is also under the impression that he has killed Liquid at the end of the game.

[@phoenixsplash135]

The "Okay" at the end of The Last of Us is so fucking good. Ellie knows he's lying. Joel knows that Ellie knows that he's lying. But they both just pretend otherwise for the sake of their relationship.

[@dingledorf5615]

I'm so glad to see others get that scene. You know that Ellie knows Joel is lying because she asked. She would not have asked if she was clueless.

[@lordfusiondar1003]

As someone who genuinely loved TLOU2, I have to admit that everything Cosmonaut says is horseshit.

[@MoreDakka545]

On Rags and armor. I remember one of the only nice things from The Walking Dead was a character wrapping his jacket sleeves with duct tape and it saved him from a bite. Only for him to be mocked for it and not use it anywhere else on his body.

[@NurseValentineSG]

The fun thing is that there are DnD characters that get better revenge stories done. I had a druid girl who's parents were killed infront of her eyes, and she was wandering aimlessly around until she got a hint of where the murderer could be. And after a hard battle, the party tied him up and she asked him why he did it. She is not an aggressive or murderous character, she is extremely timid, shy and just wants to live a quiet life. But when he said "because I felt like it", she snapped and started stabbing him, asking him again and again why he killed them, only to not even get answers anymore. She stopped midway tho, just exhausted mentally and on the brink of just crying and giving up, saying that all she wanted was answers and now she has even less then before. She wanted him to let him rot, but he broke out of his ropes and stabbed her one final time before he died from the stabwounds. And that's when she just absolutely broke and stabbed his corpse until she passed out crying. Now, am I saying that this is a good end for a revenge story? No. But I am saying that the pure evil murderer who has even less of a reason to kill the most important persons in my characters life had more talk with the protagonist than Abby had with Ellie at the end.

[@thickoatmeal5719]

I would much rather this have been Abby's and Joel's story than the one we got in game