EFAP Mini: Reacting to Obi-Wan Kenobi - Part 5

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Wait what? no this is great, it's all great. We're having great.
Kenobi alongside his band of proto-rebels have to defend their base from the incoming force of The Grand Inquisitor REVA! and that Vader guy also Stormtroopers probably.
Will they survive? Will there be bad writing?
Let's find out.
Edited by MauLer and Fringy

[@nont18411]

Imagine a story of a world war II “hero” whose Jewish parents were killed in the Holocaust. In order to avenge her dead parents, she managed to commit even more holocaust against the Jews in order to get to Hitler, while never missed an opportunity to blame everything on Douglas MacArthur for not saving her even though he was too busy fighting the Japanese in a totally different continent. Yeah, that’s Reva’s story.

[@generights]

Holy shit why does that pair up so well

[@swfan24]

@@generights Because Star Wars is WWII in space, always has been

[@Amash94]

Top quality comment.

[@facilegoose9347]

_Inglorious Younglings: Dead Jedi Storage_ THIS SUMMER ...

[@scottf5791]

I was about to point out the flaw in you mentioning MacArther in the European theatre but then I realized what you did there. Well done lol

[@kennethcrist443]

The most impactful use of "May the Force be With You" for me, was when Han said it to Luke. He isn't a believer in the Force, but he cannot say what he really feels about knowing that Luke is going off to probably die. So, he uses a statement that means something to Luke. It is the only way he can express the feelings that a cynical, well-traveled, world-weary smuggler cannot allow himself to reveal.

[@alexhayden219]

That's a top tier 10/10 moment. Of course, the loader droid saying it and then going to protect Tala was 11/10. ,,, I know he didn't SAY it, but come on. You got that they implied that he thought it in the scene, right? I mean, you guys that nitpick things, do you need everything spelled out for you?

[@hothotheat3000]

Yes, Harrison’s delivery says all the things that Han can’t say.

[@SFTaYZa]

"impactful"

[@electricbayonet2]

The writing is so parody-tier awful that I would only have been _slightly_ more frustrated if Bail had left a second message saying, “Sorry, just to be clear, by ‘the boy’ I mean Luke Skywalker, staying with Owen and Beru at 123 Sand Street.”

[@teejay1824]

123 Sand Street eh? (quickly enters into Wookiepedia)

[@maxwellwellman]

@@teejay1824 voodoo hide

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

@@teejay1824 “123 Sand Street? That's amazing! I got the same address on my matched luggage!”

[@electricbayonet2]

The Jedi temple was ENORMOUS. Are we supposed to buy that Reva just _survived_ the hours, if not days, that the 501st occupied it, ensuring that nothing and nobody would remain to threaten Palpatine’s coup? Or that she snuck past whatever cordon they set up and found willing medical care that could save her life in a city she’s likely unfamiliar with, and who wouldn’t report the lightsaber injury? Or that she had any of the money or connections to survive when the new regime actively wants her dead? Or- -oh, just to hell with this show, and especially this character.

[@Bannschwert]

Well, going on from episode 6 of this show, she was totally fine after getting stabbed, just mildly annoyed. So she probably just ran out, because the Storm Troopers couldn't catch up with a youngling. She simply was too fast and agile!

[@LN997-i8x]

I mean, even that's a better explanation for her survival; the temple was massive and she managed to escape into it. The whole getting stabbed thing could have been left out.

[@wheeliebin18]

What about when Obi-wan and Yoda go there and still find corpses? How was she not found then?

[@larryfish9272]

Don't think, just consume

[@morganseppy5180]

@@LN997-i8x Agreed, it's almost a trope for children in space to survive disaster in a vent or something. She could still have the survivor guilt of running and hiding instead of using her training to protect her friends, and it would be much more believable that someone survived Anakin moving from room to room.

[@regis1077]

Reva: "Where were you when he was killing my friends?" Obi: "Do you know,that I am the one who put Vader in this suit?"

[@PrayForTanqueray]

Hadn't even though of this retort yet. He should've made sure that he died back then, but otherwise he made him pay dearly. Stupid enough to blame Kenobi for not knowing about Order 66, Palpatines true motives, and Anakins fall, when noone on the council saw it coming as well.

[@chancebonnett8641]

"Fuck, you even tailored his suit?!? Monster!"

[@Сайтамен]

Hey Vader! That's a cute outfit, did your master give it to you?

[@nagger8216]

With all the resurrections and characters surviving fatal injuries I wouldn't be surprised if fucking Alderaan survived at this point. "Somehow Alderaan returned..."

[@beginnersmessiah]

Depends... Is alderaan straight white male good guy???? Then no.... If strang wahmaannn or evil.... Yes. Ofcourse.

[@nagger8216]

@@beginnersmessiah lolwut? Aren't Darth Maul, Vader, Palpatine and the Grand Inquisitor all "straight white guys"? That's 4:1 lmfao Just admit you have a weird chip on your shoulder about seeing a black lady on your TV and be done with it

[@Arko777777]

I can imagine the reveal. All people from Alderaan just floated in space and were pushing rocks together, until they made the planet whole again.

[@youdarnweebsgetoffmylawn]

Well you see, Alderaan only blew up once. Based on what happened to Palpatine, in order to survive being blown up you need to be blown up twice.

[@TheKpa11]

Or there’s just another planet that’s exactly like Alderaan. The excuse that space if infinitely huge

[@135mikerules23]

I still remember in KOTOR 2 how absolutely fascinating Darth Sion was, both as a character and his unique connection to the dark side of the force. In that by drawing on his pain, anger, and hatred, he could consistently rise from certain death, thereby achieving an effective method of immortality. However, it was at the cost of being both subjected to a constant all- consuming agony and his body being completely fractured and decomposed, held together by nothing but the power of the force alone. Where’s that price to be paid for Reva or the Grand Inquisitor?

[@johankarlsson4357]

Exile: "What kind of life have you lived with the force flowing through you? Was it worth living?" Sion: "It... it was not. No matter how many I killed... there was no end to the pain... the blades the force tore through my flesh. I am glad to leave this place... at last." Nowadays they just pop back in saying something like: "Revenge is useful for survival isn't it lololololol".

[@lostfiresanimations6541]

So, this is a comment for AFTER episode six. In episode 5 why did the Star Destroyer above the planet NOT intercept the transmission to Obi Wan Kenobi from Bail Organna?????????????? Show. You just murdered Bail and the Empire at the same time, well done!

[@LostJedi22]

"We agreed to not communicate so I'm worried that you haven't called. Let me tell you exactly what I'm going to do now in a completely unencoded message" - Bail Organa. Future founding leader of the rebellion.

[@BobbyWanKenobi]

I am at a loss for words. This, along with the finale, is so broken I don't even know where to start... I do not think I've ever said "why?" as often as during the last two episodes. Nothing makes sense. Everything is dumb.

[@fretzalot266]

How shit are the proto-rebels blast doors, it took Qui-gon like 2 or 3 solid minutes of constant application to cut through in TPM with his lightsabre

[@apkaiser96]

What completely breaks this plot is that the refugees should have left on the second transport before Kenobi even arrived

[@apkaiser96]

Roken says they have been waiting for months and only have a few hours because of a closing trade route. We know they could all fit on one transport so why the hell haven't they left???

[@doroisdoro]

“I gotta kill innocent people and children to get revenge in the guy who killed innocent people and children”-Reva Sisaggins

[@Jack-uy7ie]

Hey guys heard you came for Qui Gon. Here's 5 seconds at the end of a shit storyline we had unlimited time to tell....

[@nagger8216]

That's probably one of the main problems with this show, it has *too much* time on its hands. If they had just made it a movie the budget probably would've been used better instead of stretching it out and we wouldn't have all this time dedicated to worthless bullshit

[@Jack-uy7ie]

​@@nagger8216 I think you are right to a degree because you would assume they will approach it with a different mentality. This show is design by committee but the committee is full of planks, seat warmers and yes men.

[@SumDumGy]

Anyone remember what a lightsaber does when stabbed into solid metal doors, through multiple layers, in just a few moments? We’re expected to believe that flesh, blood and organs survive the level of heat these things produce to the point where a person lives? I argue that flesh and clothing would immediately combust almost immediately and blood would probably boil on contact.

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Another thing about Maul surviving being cut in half vs the inquisitor being stabbed in the gut; Maul also lost the lower half of his body, it's just gone and he needs a robotic half to get around. We see that even though he survived, there were very real repercussions for him and they had to go out of their way to build up how much it screwed him up. But here the inquisitor just shows up like it was nothing and says, "Lul, you thought that worked?" The way this is handled is just so flippant.

[@kylevolbrecht9255]

What could Reva possibly have as a character that I would want to see? This screeching, angry savage is not pleasant on screen from an acting standpoint, and she's a totally evil character from a writing standpoint. Like sorry, you chopped a woman's hand off and hanged a dude. You threatened to kill a guy and his whole family *just because.* You're so psychopathically extremist that the other inquisitors think you're crazy. This is not a character that belongs in a series.

[@nobleman9393]

There's a canonical story about why that Stormtrooper hit the door with his head, apparently it's the same trooper that Kenobi used a mind trick on and the side effect of that was a strong headache.

[@pdittc]

I’ve figured it out - all the chase scenes are in slow motion and Leia is doing that fantastically badass “force run” from the phantom menace.

[@ricardoruiz2157]

When Rags mentioned Layla and Clapton I my thoughts went to “I see your a man of culture”

[@sapheiron]

I think a good metaphor to describe Disney Star Wars is an art school that accepts all applications but only has a single canvas that everyone has to share.

[@Cany0]

The guy who survived getting impaled through the gut is standing right next to Vader as they are both boasting that doing the exact same thing to Reva will finish the job. What an absolute circus.

[@MourningCoffeeMusic]

The fake Vader voice is honestly better than the fake Luke voice considering he’s more machine than man

[@Robin_Heeren]

On Hoth vader was like I know this trick... I'll just force hold the real ship after the decoy has flown away... .... *stands there looking like an idiot* ....

[@zappodude7591]

13:58 I think Reva lives in wonderland... I hope she lives in wonderland...

[@KuraudoStrife]

All these tracker droid tisms reminds me of Batman v Superman. You know, when Batman puts a tracker on a truck quietly from the distance, then gets into the batmobile, catches the truck and proceeds to OBLITERATE IT

[@jigsawharlequin862]

Wait... WAIT! So the squeeky Inquisitor survived a stab in the gut, REVA(!!!) survived it TWICE but Qui Gon Jinn fucking died in minutes?! WHO WROTE THIS?!!!!

[@Xenyre_The_Fool]

Not only the stomach, but provided it's a center mass stab through the gut..., I mean the spine is also a thing..

[@ryhnoking]

So little fobble I have with the restraining bolt bit. Restraining bolts function as a car lock, limiting droid actions and processes, it can not reprogram a droid. Its funny because there are several plots in Clone Wars that revolves around reprogrammed droids.

[@insensitive919]

Reeva already stated flat-out that she was "tracking" Leia somehow, the droid light didn't need to flash the evil red colors to establish anything else, even a 12-year-old could hear the ominous music as the droid flashes blue and I bet that they could figure it out. The only emotional reveal is "omg evil inquisitor lady hacked Leia's droid" and it wasn't worth making it so cheesy. Star Wars Disnoids should feel insulted by how little the writers think of their intelligence.

[@jordannewitt]

My favourite Vader delivery will always be 'impressive...most impressive.'

[@gothicusmaximus5697]

Imagine writing this: They fly off but Vader forces them down, and a second ship takes off, as the first was a decoy. then reva attacks vader after this. or if you have a brain They are about to fly off until Vader stops them, and Reva attacks Vader during this, forcing him to let Obi Wan go This could have even been used as some redemption if she wasnt anti vader but broke indoctration to save obi and die

[@jeebuschristos8423]

1:30:25 Soooooo... she has her spin-y lightsaber on her... she's moving it in circles, the handle stationary in the middle, the blades affixed in the circular bit... Vader slows it to a stop... grabs it from her... somehow manages to break it in two... having equal-sized handles now and the blade affixed to them... he then, at the end of the fight, tosses it down to the ground... and... it's back to being a semi-circle deal and not in two sections?

[@richardduska1558]

52:15 I don't think the writers knew that "The Force Unleashed" was a videogame and not one of the movies.

[@SwiftNimblefoot]

I laughed when the stormtroopers advance slowly into the tunnel and even from 2 feet away, they miss the rebels and those miss them. Realistically, one barrage should have killed all these rebels.

[@gorgonsdeathstare]

I want to see them bring back Jar Jar with Respeecher. I can't wait to hear what that sounds like

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

44:01 That few notes of the soundtrack playing really resembled the batwoman (I cant call it a theme) noise.

[@TheGragsel]

The Whadya bring me at the end gets me every time

[@loganbreau882]

Spoilers for episode 6 Why did Reva just disappear and never show up after this? Like if they didn't want her to return they should've just killed her when Vader stabbed her. Also, Anikin stab her through the heart and she survived? Did she have 3 hearts because Vader did the same thing, and she got better after 3 minutes?

[@Сайтамен]

She will get her own show.

[@niero4201]

So... did Vaders abilities go on cooldown? I didn't notice the second ship wasn't there because I was so taken aback by: -Ship takes off -Pulls ship back down -Second ship takes off -Damn nothing i could do to stop it After the bullshit of -Sets ground on fire -Puts fire out witht he force -Ground gets set on fire -Damn nothing I can do I'm wondering if Vaders weakness is simply doing the same thing twice?

[@jotun.616]

We said NO COMMUNICATION, but you sticking to that worries me bahahaa

[@makkilatte6288]

Vader pulling down an entire ship, what a powercreep...

[@groovygoth666]

After watching episode six, one of the biggest questions is still why would Leia be so formal in her message to Obi Wan in ANH, I don't need her to explicitly say "hey remember that adventure we went on 10 years ago" if the message originally was "General Kenobi, Ben, my father and I beg you to help us in our struggle against the Empire..." This show would give that message context, but the original message is very clearly Leia asking someone she's never met for help on her father's behalf, so her connection to Obi Wan in this series feels like Lucasfilm trying to fix JJ's mistake of having Kylo being called Ben when Obi Wan never met Leia in the OT, although he did meet Han but I'm not sure how big an impression he'd have left that Han would want to name his son after him.

[@Samuel_J1]

Further to Metal's point on travel time, it gets even worse in part 6. There is zero consideration for travel times - everything is instantaneous. They learn of a thing, set off and arrive in the space of minutes when it should probably be hours at the fastest. The only way they can do anything in minutes is if they are in the same star system, and even then it'd be fucking stupid.

[@HerohammerStudios]

The description is fantastic on these lmao

[@Maximum_777]

Qui Gon was old guys, obviously that's why he died, smh... also it is worse, because they're not just being stabbed, but rather having a sizeable hole burned through the stomach, which is definitely worse, and they keep being stabbed dead center, meaning wouldn't the lightsaber go through your spine? But yeah Qui Gon was just too old to survive, simply must be the case.

[@Extraterrestrial-Bilu]

The loaderbot is more effective fighter than the battle droids the separatists used.

[@shadyminkins5704]

41:37 Am I wrong or should Obi-Wan (and any non-Empire person) have never heard it referred to as “Order 66”?

[@wephilips6651]

Good point!

[@dodojesus4529]

If he doesnt know about vader he certainly shouldnt know the order foe jedi extermination.

[@SR-mm2ru]

I really like the concept of Leia's Alice in wonderland natural force power shenanigans. Might see if there's more in the OT that contributes to that.

[@JaimieSch]

Reva "played dead" to survive Order 66?! That's the explanation for how she escaped? That's such bs. Vader would have sensed that someone was still alive in the temple. The only other people in there with him were clones and he would have wanted to be very sure all the jedi were dead.

[@xpurplethighs7596]

It's simple, the people who think this episode is great are just enthralled by the flashbacks and the 'omg Vader is doing badass things!' aspect.

[@willdominatetheunviersein123]

Again, Reva doesn't wear plot armor- she's battered, wrapped and foiled in plot bullshit tartar sauce

[@chriscross8547]

"I want revenge on Obi-wan for failing to protect all of the Jedi. I'll get my revenge by helping Darth Vader kill all of the Jedi." 10/10, genius

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

Reva: At last we will reveal ourselves to Kennobi, at last we will have our revenge against the sith. Vader: wut? Reva: nothing.

[@bZman]

Smooth Brain writing there lads!

[@RangerRobin0404]

I feel like at this point they just hope your brain melts so much you can't tell it's bad

[@bZman]

@@RangerRobin0404 sounds in lock step with the rest of the worlds ideology, turn everything to such shit you never want or strive for better, just accept your lot and consume product. Thank god we have longman and his ilk to show us there are others who refuse to consume product and be excited for next product.

[@RangerRobin0404]

@@bZman How dare you not consume, bigot? Everyone else is doing it.

[@heronofalexandria91]

Being stabbed in the stomach by a lightsaber and surviving has now become Monty Python level of ridiculous. It is not just a flesh wound, you got a hot rod of burning plasma shoved into your vital organs. You don’t survive that…. Unless…. Boba Fet finds you and gets you a new metal stomach.

[@nhagan001]

being stabbed by a Lightsaber is now on the level of a fetish.

[@regis1077]

Tis but a scratch

[@JamesSchulte]

You think if Rian ever gets his trilogy he'll bring back Han since he also just got stabbed in the chest?

[@scottf5791]

But Disney loves bringing back our beloved characters and shows! Let’s remember… Reva (stabbed twice in stomach with lightsaber once while a youngling and once while an inquisitor) Grand Inquisitor (stabbed in chest with lightsaber) Fennec Shand (shot in stomach) Bobba Fett (Sarlaac) Cad Bane (shot in head) Cobb Vanth (shot in shoulder maybe…thank god for the Bacta) Max Rebo (sail barge explosion) Bib Fortuna (sail barge explosion) Kylo (stabbed in chest with lighsaber) Palpatine (According to Quora, falls 62 miles into reactor core and blows up with Deathstar) Maul (sliced in half with lightsaber and again according to Quora, falls 1000 meters down reactor shaft) Chewbacca (blows up in transport ship… oh wait it was the wrong transport) Leia (Space) Qui Gon (stabbed in chest with lighsaber…JK he’s still dead) 🤷‍♂️ *but Disney if you’re going to resurrect any character from the dead it better be my boi Wade* Wade (blown up in T-47 Snowspeeder by explosive car battery) RIP Wade (2022-2022) Lost but not forgotten 🙏 #ReleaseTheWadeCut #WadeLivesMatter

[@josephjackson9679]

Phantom Menace - Burns so hot it melts spaceship blast doors to slag and kills a Jedi Master almost instantly, incapacitating him definitely instantly. Kenobi - oof ow it burns. Luckily it cauterised my wounds without turning my body to vapour so I will live.

[@DarthRamzes]

Dear Disney. Don't be too proud of this audiovisual terror you've constructed. The use of CGI and nostalgia is insignificant next to the power of good writing.

[@matthewcollins4773]

"Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, viewer. Your devotion to literary and artistic integrity hasn't made you billions of dollars, nor allowed you to dominate the entertainment industry" -- Kathleen Kennedy, probably

[@BR-dy1ie]

@@matthewcollins4773 “Ah but your fixation on the big gay has brought you low Disney! Behold your stock price, and weep for it is barren.”

[@Cogz]

Or the power of actually hiring good writing. Apparently there was no budget in the show to do so. Took 4 writers to come up with the trench coat.

[@TheKpa11]

@@matthewcollins4773 You know Kathleen Kennedy’s life story does make me think she’s like a real life Cersei from Game of thrones, with a small touch of Varys in the “whispering” sense (Minus the sexual incest and sexual sex) She really did snake her way into power, and is very good at manipulation and shifting blame, and asserting her power that she feels entitled in having “Power is power”

[@nhagan001]

Turns out The Obi Wan show is as faithful as Ewan is to his wife…

[@stormcutter59]

I am so tired of this cliche where the "villain" justifies his/her horrible actions by blaming another character for not preventing something he couldn't have prevented because he can't be everywhere all at once. And yet they work for the real people he/she should be mad at. It is so damn stupid that we seem to have this moral that if something bad happens and the hero isn't there to stop it, that must mean he's guilty of something and should feel like a horrible person. This backwards moral system literally breaks my brain when I try to understand the justifications for it. Its crazy how many movies/TV shows do this crap. Far too many. Kill this trope.

[@TheKpa11]

Although the writing has the “hero” character have a cliche line of feeling guilty as a formality for the audience to go “They feel bad, you can see the pained expression and the words saying so” because they’re “The good guys” Even if logically there was nothing they could do to stop it……..Obi wan literally says this to luke even Luke: I should have been here Obi Wan: There was nothing you could have done

[@Bthakilla4rilla]

"Why didn't you save us? Where were you!?" "Bitch I was on a different planet getting shot by artillery from my own clone troopers"

[@Krapvag]

"I had to become a psychotic genocidal maniacs who was described as being too extreme by other genocidal maniacs because of you"

[@OzBaxter]

It's called "lazy writing". These modern generation of writers are subconsciously trying to craft a solid moral platform of never having to take personal responsibility for anything they have ever done wrong.

[@maxwellwellman]

How about Vader AND Reva AND the death guy from Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey, whatever his name is how about all of them simply believe that they are the good guys doing the right thing serving the emperor and restoring order to the galaxy why can't it just be that

[@Onmur]

54:00 They're not just showing Anakin killing children. They're showing Anakin failing to kill a child. He was retroactively made so incompetent that he couldn't kill all the children.

[@facilegoose9347]

Up Next: _Tusken Raider that survived the Jawacaust nabs yung Luke ..._

[@TheKpa11]

*Someone pulls out a surviving kid Jedi from the lore* Defender: There were survivors

[@strategicperson95]

@@TheKpa11 yeah those defenders are a pain. But Palpy told Anakin, "Do not hesitate. Show no Mercy." Which implies, everyone in the Temple must die. But hey, the Defenders hate it when one brings up continuity if it doesn't suit them.

[@Сайтамен]

I mean, how could he know that Reva can survive stabbing through the heart?

[@SolarDragon007]

God, it would've made so much more sense if he spared her because she kills her friends.

[@jackmrsich3178]

“Yep, here’s your problem. Someone set this thing to evil.” --The Simpsons, S03 E05--Treehouse of Horror III

[@mattherron173]

"Marge, the doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me!"

[@tylercoon1791]

Thank you for the obligatory Simpsons quote

[@TheKpa11]

SIMPsons actually said that? I have not heard that line at all

[@Krapvag]

@@TheKpa11 Simpsons Treehouse of Horror III

[@sparkypack]

Lola Bunny got evil 😭

[@peterstarkey6528]

Darth Vader held his lightsaber in Reva's gut for like a good 5+ seconds. That should have cooked her insides, killing her almost instantly. They literally showed us Reva cutting through the blast door with her lightsaber only moments earlier, the same blast door that couldn't be penetrated by a gun that seemed to be built for that purpose. Lightsabers are one of the most inconsistent aspects of modern Star Wars. Sometimes it goes clean through solid metal, other times it bounces off of armor that can't even stop a blaster bolt.

[@PrayForTanqueray]

Most of the time they work just like baseball bats. Or they immediately cut off limbs. Whatever is needed at that moment in the story. _Convenient_.

[@strategicperson95]

@@PrayForTanqueray I saw a comment from someone that says they worked on the Prequels. They believe Disney's Lightsaber props are heavier than the ones used for the Prequels. Thus why the actors swing them around like Baseball Bats. My own guess considering that, it is some misguided attempt on Disney's part to save money by making them more durable, that effects the fights for the worse.

[@TubeEamo]

Normally they reserve the baseball bat setting for videogames when they want to keep the teen rating. But in the films prior to Disney, lightsabres were fairly consistent especially in the prequels. Young Vader carves them Separatists up in ROTS.

[@unpopularopinions7407]

I like in Rebels where Maul hits Kanan in the face with his lightsaber and it literally bounces off his skull and then he’s just blind afterward instead of dead

[@purpleemerald5299]

@@unpopularopinions7407 When the fuck did it bounce off? It looked like the swipe just grazed Kanan’s face as he recoiled back and scorched his eyes. What bouncing motion did you notice?

[@Сайтамен]

As I expected, Reva's motives make no sense. She saw that Vader killed her friends, therefore...she is angry at Obi-Wan who trained him for not saving her? (Why didn't he just say "I was on Utapau, attacked by clones"?) And therefore she serves Vader, hunts all remaining Jedi, tries to kill them, chops hands off and tortures a child to find the Rebels? She is a horrible person and I cheered when she was stabbed...but then she lived

[@djdeadbeat4380]

As far as Obi-Wan was concerned, he did kill Anakin on Mustafar. Had Palpatine not showed up and saved his life with extensive medical treatment, he would have died on the shore of that lava lake. Obi-Wan was a goddamn hero. He had to fight his student and lifelong friend who killed his entire order and then watch as he was burned nearly to the point of death. Reva can screw off, Obi-Wan sacrificed more than anyone in the franchise.

[@nagger8216]

I'm pretty sure she wanted revenge on Vader so she went after his son (that he didn't even know he had) and I love how fucking petty and scummy it is lmao. Like keying your car and running off levels of shittiness, instead of having the balls to actually confront him herself. I also like the only reason the Grand Inquisitor was in this show was to get stabbed and come back. That's literally it lol

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@nagger8216 "Vader thinks his child died, I shall have revenge by making it so!"

[@petriew2018]

Reva this episode basically validates the prior Jedi beliefs that personal connections are dangerous for the Jedi. Her attachment to her dead friends sent her down the path of torture and murder in a misguided quest not for justice but the purely emotional satisfaction of revenge...

[@UnendedGalaxy]

In the Disney Star Wars Universe, death means nothing.

[@mrmcawesome9746]

"I know we said no communication, but your silence worries me." - Bail Organa, a very smart man.

[@DerfyRed]

It could have made sense, if he said the long delay/long silence

[@Сайтамен]

SPOILERS TO THE SEASON FINALE: Screw this series. Vader orders the entire ship to turn around for Obi-Wan, letting the rebels go, (instead of using a magnetic beam, or sending tie-fighters, or just keep firing...)... but ends up getting into his shuttle and flying after it himself , thus missing out on the rebels for no reason at all. Obi-Wan trusts Leia to some random rogue who has already seeded his transmitter... The duel with Vader is miserable. They wave their swords like baseball bats in episode 9, and the Force has generally turned into an anime - they crush rocks and make craters in the ground, but they can’t break each other’s bones in the same way ... they can withstand the blows of multi-ton boulders ... Obi-Wan, without jokes, becomes a god thanks to the power of friendship and lifts weight much more than Yoda ... at some point he hits Vader with the HILT of the sword ... cuts his back, but that doesn’t paralyse him ... and most importantly, he doesn’t finish him off for the second time, although he himself said his friend is dead... Vader does not call the cruiser to shoot down Obi-Wan's ship, but it turns out that he has a hyperdrive, which makes the whole last episode even more pointless, since he and Leia could fly to Alderaan on it all this time already at the end of episode 4 .. . Owen and Beru do not set any traps for Reva in the doors, they only shoot her one at the time, do not catch up with her on a speeder, do not evacuate on the speeder, do not call the local police, the same Jabba the Hutt (with the promise of money), and Luke is advised to run on foot into the desert, to the Tuskens... Reva with a hole in her HEART can easily fight, run and carry weights ... And finally, she, who cuts off the hands of all those who disagree, throws knives at people, kills everyone in her path, hunts the Jedi trying to kill them, tortures a 10-year-old child , suddenly cannot kill Luke, because he sees himself in him (but not in Leah) ... by the way, why? Does she know he's Vader's son? How? And Obi-Wan forgives her, although he saw what she was doing and Tala died because of her... Now the whole Empire knows that Bail Organa communicates with Obi-Wan, they are looking for him all over the galaxy, but at the same time Obi-Wan quietly flies to Alderaan to chat with Leia... Obi-Wan communicates with Luke, although Owen told him in A New Hope that he died at the same time as his father ... Qui-gon, it turns out, can appear without any meditation, but the whole series did not do this ... As a result - Obi-Wan, Owen, Beru, Bale failed their missions to protect children, and they are only alive because the Empire and Vader are even more incompetent, and Reva suddenly became kind ... and now we are waiting for a series about her ... Thank you Disney, now you've ruined every single character in the original trilogy. Star Wars is long dead, and there's no more room for nails in the coffin.

[@RogueFox2185]

Obi-Wan was having a DB moment and frankly I just laughed at the final fight because my expectations were so low at that point, also the ONLY reason Reva made it this far is because the writers gave her Rey’s plot armour as a prototype.

[@Artemie-np3qu]

Also none of the inquisitors do the funny lightsaber spin flying

[@ainotto9551]

I started laughing like there's no tomorrow when Obi-Wan got his pedophile second wind and Ray style rock attack,even fking Family guy did better then this show now. I can't wait for the next EFAP and see how people gonna defend this crap

[@mawrak]

wait Obi-Wan knocks out Vader but does not kill him? Huh???

[@noahsmith1053]

Yup he has Vader battered badly to the point they do the exact same thing from the Ahsoka vs Vader fight but he let's him live

[@problempenguin5391]

I hate how Maul surviving has opened up the Pandora’s box of reviving any character you want. The worst part is they’re somehow doing it so much worse than the Clone Wars handled it. When Maul was revived in the Clone Wars, he was this insane mindless spider monster living off scraps on a junk planet. He was only brought back to his former self after a long arc of his brother bringing him back through some nightsister magic bs. Even after he came back, the show took advantage of this by essentially giving him his own season of trying to take over the galaxy by teaming with crime lords and disgraced Mandalorians fueled by revenge against Kenobi. He ultimately fails but we get a lot of interesting episodes and interactions out of it. The Clone Wars is hardly a well written show and his return is still stupid af but it was still used way better than any of the other dumb deaths that were inspired by it. These days it’s used for generating cheap shock while devaluing the very concept of death in this universe. There was no need for them to “kill” Reeva, the Grand Inquisitor, or the sheriff when nothing notable or interesting comes out of it. It does more damage than good. Maul came back as a completely different person that impacted the entire galaxy. It took a lot to get him back to his glory and it allowed to expand the characters of him and Kenobi. It’s dumb but these Disney Star Wars fake outs are on a whole other level of meaningless poison. I will never take another death seriously in Star Wars. No one’s every really gone, I’ve lost all my investment in a franchise I used to love, and my day is ruined. Fuck.

[@Artemie-np3qu]

For how dumb the fact that Maul survived that fall, he was an AWSOME character in the Clone Wars. Shame that he was a dumb character in Solo… why was he in Solo again….

[@patchmoulton5438]

@@Artemie-np3qu To tease a Maul movie. It's the Marvel formula where the movies and shows that are released are just to try and generate hype for the next thing that _might_ be released. Consume product, get excited for next product.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

@@patchmoulton5438 Sadly Solo, was probably the most competent Disney Star Wars movie, although I think Rouge Ones third act, in isolation was peak action adventure, in the vein of the OT( its characters, characterizations, and plot were nowhere near the OT)

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

I actually really like the idea of "Force immortality", where the hatred alone keeps the user alive for a while despite mortal injuries. We already had the precedent of Vader doing exactly that on Mustafar. So that's why I am okay with Maul's survival. And like you said, he actually paid a heavy price for it. Of course, Reva and the Grand Inquisitor still shouldn't have survived. They are supposed to be pathetic Force users and both Vader and Maul had to stay _conscious_ while in absolute agony to survive.

[@raufm.2135]

There are only 2 questions that remain: is Wade alive and is Holdo alive? I really hope answer to both of them is yes because it would be very funny

[@sophisticautistic5453]

So Vader stabbed Reva as a child and Reva survived and Mr. Grand says "Revenge does wonders". And both of them just leave Reva without fully killing her? That seems like something Vader would know NOT to do considering he is alive because someone left him for dead rather than actually making him dead. Vader is the type who would make sure that they are dead.

[@Bthakilla4rilla]

No you don't understand. Reva had plot armor. The story demanded that she live, which means anything that happens to her in the past can't kill her even if by all accounts it should have.

[@zachrohler1047]

Not to mention the very same person they leave for dead has had this exact same thing happen before and managed to survive.....

[@sparkypack]

🐄 StarWars - The cow stomachs 🐄

[@sparkypack]

@@Bthakilla4rilla A loader droid built her a mechanical stomach.

[@Wayne-jh4mi]

I'm pretty sure a lightsaber through the chest is enough reason not to check if the person is dead or not

[@Bensworth]

I just find it hilarious what they did to the grand inquisitor in this show. They portrayed him as a cringe idiot who gets punted aside in favor of Disney's latest non-character character who they want to push. They literally did the thing, the thing they did to all the OT characters, to one of there own earlier characters. Disney has like 3 writing formulas that they follow to a T every time. The punting of older characters, the main character being a worthless idiot with a far more competent supporting character doing all the work, and ctrl+c-ing ctrl+v-ing the most basic plot archetypes in the most trite way imaginable. What's the point in making all these different shows if there all gonna have the same basic character archetypes and dynamics (and I use those words in the most vague sense one can)? I truly believe that they just plop out these scripts from an AI, with every series that becomes less of a funny 'what-if' joke and more of an apparent reality.

[@scottf5791]

I also love how they completely gave up on the inquisitor character with the giant thing on his head. He was shown a lot in the beginning and completely forgot about him in the later episodes.

[@PrayForTanqueray]

@@scottf5791 This! They even built up a semi-rivalry between him and Reva (he covets the title of 'Grand Inquisitor' for himself), always hinting at his disdain for her. It would've been far more fitting for them to clash than her and the Grand Inquisitor. But they don't even care about their own plot points.

[@Bensworth]

@@PrayForTanqueray I have to say your wrong there. You just think thats what they did. I don't believe any of the current writers at Lucasfilm are capable, or to be more honest 'willing', to write something even that complex. They know that they can just do the bare minimum of hinting at more interesting plotlines and have the viewers fill in the rest with there imagination. Why would they wanna take time on the script when they got like 6+ other shows coming down the lucasfilm pipeline.

[@scottf5791]

@@PrayForTanqueray exactly! It’s a subplot they started and probably decided to just abandon. The writing for these shows are abysmal.

[@kedge64]

Because Qui-Gon has one stomach which is why he died. As for Reva, well clearly she has three stomachs, otherwise how else would she survived being stabbed twice with a lightsaber.

[@Сайтамен]

Three hearts. Like an octopus

[@xpurplethighs7596]

People don't understand Reva isn't just a humanoid creature, she's a Turgasso, which is a species that has humanoid-like qualities except they have three stomachs, and that really isn't something that has to be said, but I guess people just don't know their Star Wars lore

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"It's over Vader, I had dozens of stomaches surgically implanted!" -Reva in the finally

[@SilvrSavior]

Reva: I just bought the regeneration potions. It really saves me the hassle of needing to be healed at all after I've been stabbed with a metal melting weapon.

[@kingawesome5219]

Vader: blows up the planet Reva next episode: “I have died before!”

[@RoadKill1122]

You guys gotta remember, Maul lightly hit Qui Gon in the face with his lightsaber grip, that's what actually killed him, the stab was just a flesh wound.

[@half-bakedpotato1078]

Nah, he probably sensed Anakin saying “I’ll try spinning, that’s a neat trick!” And decided he didn’t want to train him anymore.

[@TheKpa11]

Maul: But how did I survive

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Qui-Gon actually had 3 stomachs, but Maul stabbed all three at once so he couldn't survive.

[@dodojesus4529]

@@TheKpa11 he had another stomach

[@TheKpa11]

@@dodojesus4529 Maul: I am an alien, so that checks out

[@calumcannon3465]

“Kenobi is like bad concept spread over too much bad execution.” -Bilibus Baginisus

[@steffanyschwartz7801]

You mean Bilboned

[@calumcannon3465]

@@steffanyschwartz7801 You dare mock his name? Clearly you are a follower of Bigideas! Shame!

[@steffanyschwartz7801]

@@calumcannon3465 no, I’m a follower of the anti weed Sauron

[@calumcannon3465]

@@steffanyschwartz7801 Blessed be The Don! We can finally agree on that!

[@Edax_Royeaux]

"Bad concept spread over too much bad execution" sounds like The Hobbit.

[@chrislowe1065]

When Darth Maul survived, he is found on a scrap planet, living off of carrion, in the middle of nowhere having had his mind warped to the point of insanity by the dark side which he used to cling to life for years. Whether or not you believe his survival is dumb, at least it takes a physical toll on him. Reva and the Grand inquisitor just survive and come back fit as a fiddle a couple of days later.

[@godemperorletoatreidesii1318]

Wasn't there also a sith lord, from KOTOR I believe, that used the darkside to survive but his skin was literally decaying?

[@mrpowerade14]

@@godemperorletoatreidesii1318 Darth Sion couldn’t be killed until he let himself go from the force

[@Bannschwert]

And with spoilers for episode 6: Reva also immediatly gets back up, flies to Tattooine, hunts down Owen Lars and fights against two people. So... basically that stab only was mildly annoying.

[@mk-tu3gv]

​​@@godemperorletoatreidesii1318 that's Kotor II darth Sion he's pretty much immortal. using the force to hold his broken beyond recognition body in one piece. living in constant agonising pain pushing forward with one thing in mind - eradication of the Jedi spoiler in the finale of the game MC after striking him down like 5 times convinces him to let go and die. which he does. Despite the silliness of him being literally to angry to die i very much enjoy this plot line. Sion has a massive hate boner for MC who is considered great despite losing their contact with the force while partaking in the horrors of the mandalorian wars. He finds it abhorent because the force is the only thing keeping him alive. if someone has not i really recommend it. Kotor II is one of THE best written star wars stuff out there. it's kind of like TLJ but not dogshit. deconstruction of everything that makesup starwars but made by people who clearly cared about the lore, its inner workings and philosophical implications.

[@godemperorletoatreidesii1318]

@@mrpowerade14 That's the name! Thank you. I got to play KOTOR 1 and 2. I've played 1 before but never finished. I did read into some of the lore though

[@Ifitmovesnukeit]

So Bail Organa is a moron for sending that message, Kenobi is a moron for not deleting it immediately whilst cursing Bail's stupidity, and Vader elected not to finish Reva off properly and get troops to perform a sweep of the Rebel outpost for any info, like the most important secret in the galaxy that moron Kenobi left behind on an unencrypted drive, thus making Vader a moron into the bargain. Christ alive. Has any single plot contrivance in history ever done more multikill damage to established characters than this?

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

**MauLer groans and clutches his chest** Rag's: "What is it MauLer?" MauLer: "It's like... Thousands of plot threads crying out in pain then being silenced by a colossal retarded contrivance..."

[@NoahHunterGamble]

My guess is no but we do have a bunch of shit being made more and more everyday..

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

This is called: a idiot plot. Where the plot exists because everyone is an idiot.

[@petriew2018]

Bail Organa was already a moron for dragging Kenobi into this whole mess when, as king-consort of Alderaan and a sitting imperial Senator, he could instead just contract the likes of Boba Fett to do the job instead and not endanger the last hope of the galaxy.... Kenobi's also an idiot for getting involved in the first place for the same reasons. There was literally nothing that would have made anyone believe a Jedi was required in the first place, children of politicians are always kidnapping risks and he had no reason to believe this wasn't just a ransom plot. So really from minute one this entire plot was brain dead.... and it's only gone downhill from there...

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Obi-Wan Episode 5: The Desecration of Jimmy Smits

[@FordHoard]

Fun fact: Jimmy Smits was in the pilot episode of Miami Vice.

[@pickledblowfish6178]

Hey... you're cool.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I don't know why but my brain read that in Vader's voice, and imagining Darth Vader saying the name "Jimmy Smits" outloud is really funny

[@Astroman10]

So my cousin, who loved Dr. Strange MOM, said he loves this show. When I started explaining the problems, his defense was “You’re looking for logic in the show with lightsabers and people using the force, which is illogical!” The Patrick Willems defense stands tall ................

[@rds4629]

if your cousin's happy w/ this crap, be glad that he enjoys something. The down side is that satisfied people like him will allow Disney to keep putting out stupid stuff like this...

[@PrayForTanqueray]

@@rds4629 Can't really condone his view though, as that is indeed fueling the trash media machine that brings us shows like 'Kenobi' and 'Halo'. The cousin is just saying that to not have to admit that he likes a shit show, which in itself is fine. Had a similar talk with a cousin of mine about TLoU2 where his comeback was just "You're looking to deep into things." and "You would've liked it had you just played it before watching videos on it". I just want to not have to turn my brain off while watching something new...

[@Kaweebo]

All Star Wars has had faulty logic and bad retcons, but it’s NEVER been to this level THIS consistently.

[@petriew2018]

on the plus side, you now have proof his opinion on movies is worthless...

[@TiMANosaurusRex]

​@@PrayForTanqueray I always remind people that it's fine to like crap, just don't try to say it's good. I like all kinds of objectively terrible movies, but I'd never argue that my enjoyment makes the movie actually good.

[@frederickambaritaa8057]

I feel like the reason why people (myself included) are far more accepting of what happened to Maul than all the other death fakeouts is because the Clone Wars TV show actually used his supposed “death” to expand his character in interesting ways. Every motivation Maul has stems from his traumatic defeat in episode 1. The obvious side effect of this is his seething hatred for Kenobi and desire, which heavily motivates his action all the way up to his actual death decades later. But the far more interesting effect his death has is with his relationship with Palpatine. Upon returning to the wider galaxy, Maul discovers that role as apprentice had been replaced by Dooku and that his master's grand plan (which he himself helped set in motion) his already transpiring without him. He had been abandoned, forgotten, used as a tool and then cast aside when his usefulness has expired. He has lost everything he once had and is now forced to survive in a universe completely foreign to him And with nothing to turn to, he falls back to the most basic instinct of the Sith, to accrue power. he spends season 5 and onwards as a sort of desperate opportunist. Time and time again we see him pathetically grasping at whatever semblance of power he can get his hands, and time and time again we see him lose it all (firstly with with the pirates in the start of season 5 and then with the Mandalorians and crime syndicates later on). And moment when he DOES manage to gain a sizable power base through taking control of Mandalore, his master Palpatine personally shows up to show him how weak and powerless he truly is. The audience as made to feel sorry for him as he loses everything he has again and again, even when he thought he had nothing left to lose The final season of Clone Wars further expands his character by combining his two primary character motivations (power and revenge) into one. It's become clear to him that all of his fruitless bids for power are nothing compared the masterfully crafted plans of his Sith master, and so he redirects his efforts into trying to unravel his masters plans in one final bid for both power and revenge (at his master for all the suffering he put him through) But even that fails, with Palpatine and the Republic not deeming him a big enough threat to even send Kenobi and Skywalker to, making the gambit he sacrificed his entire army for ultimately pointless. The last time we see him is in Rebels, where he is nothing but a pitiful old man stranded on a desolate wasteland with nothing to live for. at this point in his life, he had truly lost everything (his legs in episode 1, his brother in season 5, his mother in the comics, and his empire in season 7). the only thing he has left is Kenobi. despite being bitter enemies, Kenobi had remained the one constant in his life, even as the galaxy itself seemed to change around him. And so Maul devotes his final mission in life to hunting down the man who started him down this wretched path, not only hoping to kill the elusive Jedi (as one tiny victory in a life filled with defeat after defeat) but also partially hoping that the Jedi master would be the one to kill him (a form of assisted suicide to free himself from a life of suffering). But even as Maul is struck down in their final duel, Obi-Wan cradles his dying body in his hands, comforting him in his final moments. Despite the two spending all their lives as bitter enemies, despite Maul killing both Obi-Wan's master and lover, Kenobi and Maul spend their final moments together as kindred spirits, people who have both lost so much at the hands of the Darkside. Obi Wan even gives him a glimmer of hope before he dies, assuring him that the Chosen One will avenge them both. This is why, despite the fact that him surviving is ridiculous as fuck, any complaints of him surviving are quickly drowned out by the fact that it led to him becoming one of the most fleshed out and compelling characters in all of Star Wars (in my humble opinion). It's a real shame how Darth Maul's survival has set an awful precedent of Disney Star Wars bringing dead characters coming back to life without any of the good writing that made Maul's return so dearly loved in the first place. (he's basically the No Man's Sky of Star Wars characters)

[@frederickambaritaa8057]

It also helps that him getting sliced in half doesn't get brushed aside as a minor setback. Getting chopped in half severely impacted maul both physically and mentally. When we first see Maul again in the season 4 finale, he's a rambling lunatic uncontrollably scuttling around with his scrap metal legs (which aren't robotic by the way, they're literally random chunks of metal purely held together by the force). It's clear to the audience that the sheer weight of all the suffering he's been through has completely shattered his mind like glass. He keeps muttering incoherent phrases and scrambling around like an animal. He's even lured around by following a bright glowing orb, showing how far his mind as regressed. Compare that to Cad Bane's so called "death". In the deleted scene of Clone Wars, Cad bane "dies" challenging Boba to a duel in order to save the lives of a group of other people. But in the Bad Batch he's seems just fine with no lasting impact other than a metal plate in his head. This is terrible because this absolutely kills the narrative significance of the Boba vs Bane duel (which we know canonically happened because of the head plate). That duel was supposed to be a symbolic "passing of the torch" moment between the greatest bounty hunter of the Clone Wars era and the greatest bounty hunter of the Imperial era. Now that we know Bane only suffered a fleshwound, it really doesn't feel all too impactful anymore. what's worse is that Disney literally redid this exact scenario again in Book of Boba Fett except worse in every conceivable way.

[@alexhayden219]

It's dumb, but they put the work in and did something with it.

[@danielunderwood5217]

And maul has the benefit of the dathamiri witchcraft and the fact that he is not a human to keep him alive. Here Reva is stabbed in the middle of the jedi temple massacre. who gave her medical attention? Sabine surviving is BS, but at least there they can say Ahsoka arrived a second after she was stabbed. It's still stupid, but not as stupid. Reva is stabbed where literally no one will help her both times, and she makes it out fine. All 3 jedi (kit fitso, agen kolar, seasee tiin) who went to arrest Palpatine could easily have survived as they were only stabbed or slashed. Mace windo had his had cut off and was hit with a little force lightning. Why would he be dead? jedi can manage to survive great falls. At this point, the only way someone doesn't get resurrected is if thier head is destroyed or cut off.

[@UnderwaterWorld216]

One of my favourite lines from Vader is "It is too late for me, son". The way he says it carries so much pain and regret. We can't have a line like that with the respeecher. They can't keep relying on it for Vader

[@mikzpwnz_3199]

It pretty much the time the "Vader" mask slips and it's Anakin talking to his son. It goes to show he doesn't talk much to luke until he has the clear advantage during the duel on the death Star shows how that incident troubles Vader that he must make sure that "he" is in control of the situation before tempting Luke to the dark side.

[@alexhayden219]

They've taken "He's more machine than man, now." to absurd levels of reality.

[@The_Dreamless616]

"YOU HAD A GRENADEEEEEEEE". Also, Leia bypassed the compressor....

[@blackdragoncyrus]

What EFAP doesn't understand is, when you're standing in front of a defeated opponent and you have your lightsaber, you can press Triangle for a Lethal Stab, or Circle for a Non-Lethal Stab.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

It's Mortal Kombat rules where you can non-lethally saw someone in half.

[@countravid3768]

I recommend giving a good look at the door they are barricading and giving 10 seconds of thought as to what is wrong. A beam is holding the sliding door shut.

[@thunderlighting2006]

Hey that stormtrooper in the original trilogy hit his head on the door so that means it makes sense

[@nobody2996]

This episode: Anakin is so short sighted and focused on victory against Obi-Wan that he's blind to everything else. Also this episode: "I totally have time to construct an elaborate prank on Reva with the Grand Inquisitor while Obi-Wan gets away. It's gonna be super funny bro." Also, let's not forget that Reva's backstory didn't answer Obi-Wan's question of 'How do you know Vader is Anakin?'

[@tmawd20]

Maybe it's like DBZ Abridged: "Once you've had a man inside you, you know when he's coming."

[@xpurplethighs7596]

You don't get it, in the next episode, they will explain that Reva got stabbed by Anakin, then she played dead and joined the Inquisitors and was a janitor on Mustafar where she walked in on Vader taking a shit.

[@crimsonking440]

Hey man, thats just having your priorities in order. You can catch an Obi-Wan any time. You only get that look on revas face when Ashton and the Grand inquisitor come round the corner once.

[@Arphemius]

Did you miss that she's one of the younglings in the temple? Anakin, who she knows of course, stabbed her. She knows that he's the traitor who aided the Emperor and fell to the dark side. What is actually confusing is why she thinks he wouldn't recognize her - she's a youngling, he probably came across her loads of times over the years spent at the temple, why wouldn't he know her?

[@nobody2996]

​@@Arphemius And... That tells her he's Vader how? She doesn't know Anakin apart from him stabbing her and him being famous. Public knowledge is that he died after the temple raid. There is no connection between him and Vader unless you're someone like Tarkin or Thrawn who worked with Anakin and could recognise the simmilarities. He's not the only fallen jedi (and nothing confirms Vader is a fallen jedi), the Inquisitors are all former jedi and padawans that were recuited, the Prequel era saw three powerful dark siders, two of which having their own apprentice, popping up. There is nothing that would make her so sure that Vader is Anakin that she'd dedicate the rest of her life to trying to get close to him.

[@BasedDrewpy]

It's becoming increasingly more clear to me that every Star Wars production desperately needs to have a military advisor involved. The tactics and combat are just so terrible that it distracts from the actual story. Imagine how much better that whole battle scene would have been if the Stormtroopers didn't just stand in lines and then pour into a small tunnel getting shot up, rather they stacked up against the walls and breached the base in a more true to life manner. Then you can also have the Rebels taking cover and using their knowledge of the base's design to their advantage, rather than standing out in the open. Both allow for a more gritty, coherent, and emotional battle scene.

[@ryanbrewis6990]

Maybe focus on having a not-stupid plot, characters that aren't assassinated constantly and a story that generally can hold itself together before getting into proper military tactics and such.

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@ryanbrewis6990 You could have a good plot and break it with bad tactics. Mando S1e3 I thought the narrative was fine. However when the Mandalorians came in and the firefight begins, Din jumps into the middle of flying blaster bolts with baby Yoda in his arms not even turning to cover the kid from incoming fire. The writers remembered Mando's stupid invincible armor but didn't think about the green meatbag he was supposed to be protecting. Believable tactics is as important as believable writing. If we're looking for improvement in entertainment I say we put equal effort into the two.

[@Kamfrenchie]

@@apocryphicdeath the thing is, you dont need a military advisor for that if you're a halfway competent writer. You can look it up, or jjust watch WW2 movies, like, a little film called saving private ryan ?

[@baconingnarwhals1]

FIIIIIRRREEEE

[@apocryphicdeath]

@@Kamfrenchie *I* didn't say a military advisor was necessary. Although if a company can afford it they should absolutely hire one. More for the sake accurate choreography with the tactics than the writing. Of course proper research is a good enough substitute for a writer. That's how 99% of the writing industry operates. I appreciate your unnecessary snark though.

[@Astroman10]

Kathleen Kennedy- Is there an OT character left to ruin? Kenobi Writers - Bail Organa?? Kathleen Kennedy just smiles and says “another man! Dew it!”

[@Сайтамен]

He isn't even an OT character. But they ruined Owen in next episode

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"eeehhh...? Porkins? Maybe?" "Make him a domestic abuser!" "Yes Kathleen..."

[@Astroman10]

@@Сайтамен OMG you’re right but I will defend myself by saying Leia said “you fought with my father during the Clone Wars” in a New Hope. It’s thin but it’s more thought than the writers’ capabilities...

[@blizzardregulus]

It seems Jar-Jar is the only character they won't ruin.

[@dark_selaphiel]

Clearly the collection of lightsabers belongs to General Grievous.

[@wheeliebin18]

A fine addition ... to this shitshow

[@creatorsfreedom6734]

G G was that boss in his prime

[@The_Laughing_Cavalier]

The Wattpad of Watto: Episode 5 *Fade In* After hiding a tracking device in a novelty Jar Jar Binks toy, Porkins (the largest Bounty Hunter in the Galaxy) tracks down Watto, Bea Arthur and young Holdo to Sand Planet Number 52. Elan Sleazebaggano is here again for some reason as well. Porkins calls for reinforcements from the Empire, who turn up with 'Grond', Sauron being a big fan of Porkins. They have to open this very thick metal door but it won't budge. They then try WD-40, a droid that is designed to loosen rusty metal but, sadly, he can do nothing. Meanwhile, the only way is blocked off by a door that won't open. Watto and Bea Arthur go to the main door to hold off Porkins whilst Young Holdo decides to fix the controls herself. When Sleazebaggano says that she can't possibly know how to do that, he is demoted despite not being a part of the Military. Holdo proceeds to repeatedly run into the wires at full speed in some sort of manoeuvre (possibly the special one she has knowledge of), which finally fixes it. Watto faces off with Porkins. The Bounty Hunter is gaining the upper hand but then, Bea Arthur arrives with WD-40 (who has switched sides for some reason). They hold off Porkins by throwing pieces of rusty metal at him that Watto has acquired. At last, the Junk Trader has reconnected with the Junk. He escapes as Bea Arthur and WD-40 sacrifice themselves. Bea Arthur is stabbed in one of her lungs but, since she has two, she will eventually shake it off in time for the Holiday Special. Vader now arrives to deal with Watto but is bamboozled by the backup ship Watto crafted together from junk. As Watto and Holdo escape, Porkins now turns on Vader, furious that he has not had his daily payment of burgers. He is stabbed in the stomach and, as he looks up, he sees none other than Jar Jar Binks. It turns out, he has been the mastermind behind this all along and made a deal. He wanted Watto out of the way... so he could get to Babu Frik. Vader and Jar Jar leave but, unbeknownst to them, Porkins has a second stomach and sets off after them.

[@diegodankquixote-wry3242]

This lore is impeccable

[@mogdogolog1030]

Make Jar Jar the main villain of the entire Star Wars cannon, DO IT DISNEY YOU COWARDS

[@facilegoose9347]

_"The life of a Repo Man is always intense, Ani."_

[@TiMANosaurusRex]

WD-40 is my new favorote Star Wars character.

[@Nox117]

This was better than all of Disney's new content. I just couldn't stop laughing. EFAP please comments showcase this.

[@HolyApplebutter]

I like to imagine that the reason Reva chose to attack now is because Obiwan said they'd handle Vader "together." She sent him off with the two stormtroopers thinking he'd kill them and have her back mid-fight, when in reality he just ran away again because that's all Ben-ny Hill Kenobi does in this series.

[@partypete2542]

Yea truthfully I was expecting a 2V1 too, with Kenobi coming out from his hiding spot to make it more interesting and that like you said Reva was just being loud and obvious as a distraction. Throughout the entire scrap I was thinking “any second now” “anyyy second now” “annnyyyyyy second now”

[@_pokies]

@@partypete2542 hello there

[@GINGERPHILIP]

The writers and directors clearly love people dark souls rolling around Darth Vader because Kenobi does it in the final episode as well

[@regis1077]

Its over Anakin,I have s!

[@MagicOmelet]

Best scene in that fight is when Obi-Wan could've easily killed him but decides to poke him with the back of his lightsaber, three times. And Vader does nothing, guess his poise was broken or sth.

[@AlphaAurora]

@@MagicOmelet wasn't that after smashing the back of the saber hilt into Vader's breathing controls or something? I'm sure the apologists will come out and say Vader was distracted with surviving or the Cape and woodoo hide polished armour absorb lightsabers or something.

[@purpleemerald5299]

@@AlphaAurora But by establishing that screwing with Vader’s panel can actually mess up his breathing, wouldn’t that imply that all Obi-Wan and Luke have to do is fiddle with some buttons on it using the force…? Fuck.

[@AlphaAurora]

@@purpleemerald5299 there's a comic where the suit has an off-switch. And it's in Disney canon....

[@gubshitescholarship7043]

Reva: I played dead. Clone trooper: strange, this youngling hasn't been shot by blasters multiple times. Must have lost the will to live.

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

"Must have died of sadness..."

[@Сайтамен]

She has a hole in her, it's fine

[@dodojesus4529]

Tbf she did get implaed by a lightsaber

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Things I am looking forward to see the reaction to. 1. Reva's Dark Souls roll 2. Vader pulling a space ship down with the force. 3. Kenobi losing the only thing more important to him then his lightsaber. Reading comments section under posts related to this episode are saddening. This episode despite how dog💩 it is was so well received

[@canaldecasta]

Vader, pull the other ship Quick, it's getting away Pull i- Aww. Dang it.

[@raam726]

It's not well received.

[@purpleemerald5299]

@@raam726 *It’s not poorly received _enough._

[@millargates4723]

Qui-Gon: Gets stabbed through the abdomen by lightsaber and dies Obi-Wan: Gets struck by a saber and goes ghost Maul: Gets bisected at the waist and falls down a massive hole and survives Grand Inquisitor: Gets stabbed through the abdomen and lives Reva: Gets stabbed in the abdomen and lives Reva: Gets stabbed in the abdomen and lives 2: Tism Boogaloo Palpatine: Falls down a giant shoot, then explodes, then explodes again a few minutes later and lives I'm starting to think the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some would consider to be unnatural.

[@xxx-us9fj]

An inquisitor with experience who can't read the mind of a 10 year old girl, outruns a jedi in the city, a bunch of bozos in the forest, knows all the secrets of the rebels and is an expert mechanic capable of fixing a wire problem. I wouldn't expect anything less from the kid who will eventually manage to return to her destroyed ship by flying through space like superman.... somehow disney has made me miss rey skypewalker, that's how badly sw og characters have been annihilated

[@kevinkerwin4118]

The inquisitor did all that huh

[@xxx-us9fj]

@@kevinkerwin4118 if the inquisitor name is leia, yes that's her

[@kevinkerwin4118]

@@xxx-us9fj That's nice and confusing sentence structure ya got there. It'd be a shame if someone asked for... clarification.

[@xxx-us9fj]

@@kevinkerwin4118 it'd be a shame indeed... thanks

[@SefniAsheforr]

Love how they make all the female characters retroactively into absurd Mary Sues, and they make all the male characters into pathetic idiots.

[@JasonJeffory]

Qui-Gon as a force ghost: Seeing The Grand Inquisitor, Kylo Ren & Reva (x2) get stabbed through the gut and survive. Qui-Gon: “You guys all think you’re better than me!”

[@Eon233]

To be fair it seems everyone for WHATEVER REASON is not being stabbed straight in the middle or the heart like Qui-Gon. Everyone is getting stabbed in the lower left or right

[@RogueFox2185]

Thanks to this show making Bail Organa an idiot, it makes no sense how the empire didn’t arrest him and his family before ANH for treason since his connection to Kenobi was exposed by the Inquisitors. Speaking of Inquisitors I’m surprised they let Reva take that ass whooping from Vader, under Disney Star Wars standards I figured she would fight him to a standstill until finding a way to escape somehow.

[@soyouresaying7814]

Vader has the disability status and he is black.

[@Сайтамен]

@@soyouresaying7814 You mean he has robot voice of black guy...under helmet he is white

[@sparkypack]

@@soyouresaying7814 no guys, Darth Vader is a loader droid who has the ability to talk.

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

To be fair, the fact she survived him without even losing a limb

[@TheKpa11]

I was expecting her to damage him and cause him to suffocate with the logic that Vader’s design and mechanics essentially makes him a glass cannon; an EMP of sorts or some kind of machine erosion, some lightning, and he’s screwed

[@stevesamuals2651]

I mean, when the clone wars brought back maul, they showed that his single minded hatred for obi wan drove him to insanity. He couldn't think, rambled, clumsily made SPIDER legs from scraps. And it took a complete mind wipe for him to return to a normal mind set. No amount of time or rage will convince me Reva could make it to tattoweene in one piece.

[@daskampffredchen]

The same argument for "Star Wars was always stupid" can just as well be applied to Avengers So I guess these people would defend Thanos telling a Your Mom joke after snapping half the Universe

[@TheKpa11]

For the sake of content and sponsorship deals yes, yes they would; gotta keep living after all……….can’t do that without that money

[@georgevatkov3213]

That argument makes me so mad! Those movies were blasted by critics and fans alike for exactly those scenes- they were stupid and childish writhing. And now people use those scenes as a shield, saying "See, Star Wars got away with being stupid, so Disney can be stupid, too!" NO, they didn't! The Prequels were publicly crucified (rightfully so sometimes), but now all of a sudden two wrongs make a right! These scenes in Kenobi are bad, the scenes in the Prequels were bad too, and the defense of the Kenobi scenes are made by consoomers, waiting for their next allowance by Daddy Disney.

[@Captain_Haruno]

A Thanos that made quips would've been sooooo bad! *puts Banner in stone wall. "Stick around!"

[@FormalGibble]

Thanos: You should have aimed for the head...(Snaps) Like the head I got from your mom.(Thanos vanishes out through a portal)

[@neropunkt]

"what did it cost?" "your mom"

[@BAKIZBAK]

On the subject of Reva's backstory, I'd propose an alternative to your idea Mauler : - She and other kids resist and fight back against the clones - She gets so worked up that she becomes completely consumed by anger and rage (maybe the others look at her kinda afraid) - When Vader arrives, he swats her effortlessly with the Force (no lightsaber, no duel, a good old stomp), throws her into a wall for exemple. He decides to spare her (and others) because she can be easily brainwashed into an inquisitor. - She becomes one out of necessity and survival, blaming Vader, Obi-Wan and herself. Still, I'd argue that at that moment, Vader is at his most 'extremist' (having fully turned to the dark side very recently) and is in no mood to go on a recruiting trip. This can be solved with a scene of Palpatine telling him to keep the "interesting ones" when sending Vader to the Jedi temple...which I feel would be in character for the Creamy Sheev. Anyway, just an idea where you don't have someone survive an injury shown in canon to be lethal.

[@MasterSkyrim1000]

I don't think people realize just how badly this show breaks the OT. I watched "A New Hope" recently with my mom (who introduced me to Star Wars) and I noticed these things: 1. "I haven't been called Obi-Wan since long before you were born." I guess according to "Kenobi," Obi-Wan is lying to Luke about that for absolutely no reason. 2. "You served my father in the Clone Wars..." Leia's hologram message makes it sound as if Obi-Wan and her father have had no contact beyond that time period, not to mention that Leia is grasping at straws in the Rebellions most desperate hour. Looking for an obscure Jedi master (who she obviously doesn't know, given the tone of the message) to try and help tip the balance. 3. "I sense a presence, one I have not felt since..." The impact of this line is lost if both him and Obi-Wan have had multiple meetings. This is all leaving out the fact that, according to this show, the Organa family should be under a great deal of suspicion and Obi-Wan has had a bounty on his head and been hunted by the Empire, which would have the potential of ruining his undercover job in Tatooine. Ugh. So many things have been spawned from Star Wars, but I still only like the OT. How is that possible?

[@kelpie1533]

To be fair Star Wars has always been full of retcons. The most obvious being Vader becoming Lukes father in Empire, an obvious retcon that left seven year old me very confused when I first saw the film. The problem is the ones in Kenobi are terribly written and poorly excuted.

[@Mchammershot]

@@kelpie1533 that's not a retcon, it's a plot twist. Kenobi lied.

[@yewtewbstew547]

@@Mchammershot It's technically both. The "I am your father" reveal wasn't in the original Empire script, originally Vader just taunted Luke about having killed his father to try and make him angry and drive him towards the dark side. That wasn't changed until quite late in Empire's production afaik.

[@sammiller8640]

Give Kotor 1 and 2 a shot. You’ll love them

[@lk8181]

It's all those things and more why I checked out after episode 1. Watching the EFAP reviews made me so glad I made that decision. F Kathleen Kennedy, F the "canon expert" Pablo Hildago, and even at this point shame on Lucas for selling the franchise and picking Kennedy when he knew who she was.

[@finnfonfoon]

The fact that Vader’s whole plan to get the one person he apparently cared about hinged on someone he knew was a traitor is insane.

[@hmssirius9343]

It should be noted that the fact Leia and the Organa's are known to have liaised with Obi-Wan completely refutes the idea that, in another 9-10 years, Leia needed to conceal her personal relationship with Obi-Wan in the message she smuggled to him. The empire is already aware that she knows him, which means trying to conceal this in a message (already advocating active resistance to the Empire) actually doesn't conceal a thing and serves no purpose anyway. There is no excuse for why her message in ANH was so formal, as if she'd never met Obi-Wan before. [Note: This fact also pre-emptively refutes the attempt to make the whole thing work when Obi-Wan urges secrecy at the end of the sixth episode] It also seems to me that having Obi-Wan in any way openly identified with the Organa's and Leia would make the Empire, and Vader in particular, wonder why he was involved in this specific kidnapping case in the first place. This would surely cause suspicion, and maybe even expose the fact that Anakin's children are alive, undoing the entire plot henceforth.

[@elizabethtaylor8428]

To conceal her personal relationship with Obi-wan, why wasn't she as heartbroken as Luke was when Darth Vader killed him on the Death Star in A New Hope? Leia didn't know who he was except through her adopted father Bail. There was never a personal relationship between them.

[@strategicperson95]

Not to mention, Vader should now know that Alderaan is promoting rebellion. In actuality, Imperial Propaganda should be having a heyday after the destruction of Alderaan showing how the Organa's were harboring the traitorous Jedi; which should lessen the recruitment the Rebels get after Alderaan's destruction. They brought it upon themselves, nothing peaceful about a planet promoting rebellion and harboring traitors. I swear Disney-Lucasfilm is actually Pro-Empire; despite what they say and do.

[@hmssirius9343]

@@elizabethtaylor8428 Yep. I agree. That too makes no sense whatsoever. She clearly had no connection with him, and rightly so. Luke should be allowed to have his own relationships, seeing as he's already drawn the short straw being forced to live on a desert planet. Obi-Wan was his life line to the universe in the end, his watchful protector, and that's just been stolen from him. Any small amount of attention he's gotten has been intentionally ripped away and dissipated.

[@Kaweebo]

Ed Zachary.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

In short, I really don't like Disney.

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Intro 1:00 Quality & Quantity 3:17 Mini Series Development 5:06 Reviews & Jay’s Tweet 7:29 The importance of being Wade 8:55 Comments Showcase 23:40 Episode 5 Commentary 57:40 Reaction 1:04:46 Vader’s voice 1:10:00 Time 1:11:45 Reva & Vader’s Plan 1:24:57 Shake Baby Shake 1:25:18 Leia 1:26:24 Stormtroopers 1:29:12 The state of the show 1:30:41 Closing: May the force be with you

[@ainotto9551]

I can't wait for the two stomach guy defend this crap, Reva got two too ain't she? And remember the Jedi in the episode 1 order66 scene? she got shot and dead immediately, AND NOW,a normal former Imperial Officers able to do all this crap after taking a shot, wow,just wow......good job. The Starkiller style thing Vader did looks kinda cool,but when you think about it and combine it with other thing he do, it just doesn't fking work

[@callmeej8399]

Causation and consequence means nothing in Disney Star Wars

[@chiefamongsinners16]

Reva has three stomachs. Get the lore right.

[@defeqel6537]

@@chiefamongsinners16 or is she just made of stomachs?

[@TheEpicWolf64]

@@defeqel6537 Reva in Huttese means stomach... i imagine.

[@TheKpa11]

Or she becomes a female Vader. Think about it……..or not, but would you be surprised to see that line crossed?

[@vetrais7965]

Reva has somehow made Hux a more understandable character with his changing sides.

[@TheKpa11]

Disney: All going according to plan, the sequels will look better with time………

[@genelearnsenglish4242]

An older Jedi master becomes bitter and depressed after his Padawan turns to the Dark Side. He blames himself for this event and the guilt pushes him to cut off himself from the Force, forsaking his Jedi ways. However, after an encounter with a young female Force wielder, he regains hope in his mission. Am I describing Obi-Wan or Jake Skywalker?

[@camillecunningham7348]

Your discribing both

[@Сайтамен]

Well, the only difference is - one of them dies right after.

[@Sportnugget]

Toby-Wan Kenobi

[@xentiment6581]

You are describing gay