EFAP Movies #17: Wonder Woman 2017 and Wonder Woman 1984 with Southpaw and Capital-O-Opinions

[@woketree21]

Wonder Woman: "Where I come from, generals don't hide, they fight on the front lines" They've been hiding on amazon island for like thousands of years and not fighting any wars...

[@teddybearpaladin]

Also how terrible an idea that would be in WW1, and arguably even before that a rather risky move even before that, seeing as such 'bravery' of war leaders has led to them dying unceremonious deaths and having disastrous consequences for their respective nations. Not's saying that's the only way it turned out but I'm merely pointing for however 'brave' one might see a frontline general, they carry a very strict downside.

[@CruelestChris]

Yeah, what the hell use is a general on the front lines where he can't see what the overall situation is? There's only a handful of people like Alexander who ever made that kind of thing work, and that was in a period where everyone was using enormous pike formations which could only really move forwards and so a general leading the cavalry was workable. Only other cases were barbarian armies where the "general" was just the guy who decided when to shout "charge!"

[@liamjm9278]

@@CruelestChrisA general fighting with the men is a good morale boost and the general will be surrounded by the strongest men in the army as bodyguards so even if he's fighting personally, he's still in a safer position than every other soldier. Battles weren't about killing the most men, it was about making the other side run away, that's where most casualties happen. If your leader is out there fighting himself, then why shouldn't you? And if you abandon your leader, then you are leaving him to die, and if he dies then your brothers will lose heart and also die, so you need to keep fighting to keep him alive. That's the general mentality. Knowing the general situation in the middle of a battle will only be useful if the general's plan isn't working and his commanders aren't doing a good job adapting and compensating. Generals didn't just make up what they were gonna do on the battlefield on a fly. They'll plan out what they're gonna do and let their commanders do their part, that's why they say that battles are decided before they are fought. They already know what they're gonna do before the battle starts, the commanders can take care of any problems themselves; the general can't be everywhere and make every decision. It's not like the general is gonna be doing much while the battle is ongoing anyway, and directing troops during a battle is only something that professional armies can do, and even then it's hard. The common soldier can only hear around two people away from himself, especially with a helmet covering his ears. Once you've committed a block of men that's pretty much them for the rest of the battle. This is why planning what you're gonna do before a battle is so important; nigh impossible to adapt mid-battle. And if you're a warrior king, which many generals were, then you've trained to entire life to fight, just as your father has, then, of course, you're gonna lead your men. It's expected of you and it'd be embarrassing if you didn't. Less respect is a danger to your rule and command. More respect inspires loyalty. Alexander wasn't one of the few, it was pretty common before the age of guns to lead your army personally, that's how it's been for thousands of years, only in the last few hundred has this changed. There are expectations, mostly if you're not physically fit to fight because of a disability or old age or something. Ultimately, you're a raised warrior that's trained your entire life with the best equipment, surrounded by your bodyguards who are the best warriors that you've hand-picked; of the entire army, the force you're leading would destroy most of who you're facing. And without radios and professional armies, manoeuvring mid-battle isn't really gonna happen. Even if you sit back and watch so that you don't die, if you lose then there's a good chance you're going to get captured by the enemy army anyway and then you're at their mercy. Even if you escape it's gonna be hard to raise another army that is capable of defending your country. Just going to war is putting the country and your soldiers at risk. But yeah, in WW1 it's pretty stupid to go on the front lines.

[@CruelestChris]

@@liamjm9278 Naw, usually generals in civilised armies would take a position back from the fighting so they could see the overall battle and pass orders forward, it was only the simplest battleplans which allowed the leader to be at the front. You're talking about blocks of men, but usually the general's primary goal was seeing when to commit an arm of decision like cavalry or reserves to swing the battle. And you can talk about the morale boost, but there's an equal chance that leader would be killed and rout the army, and in addition putting his best men as his bodyguards meant they weren't being employed as effectively as they would be if they weren't trying to protect him.

[@liamjm9278]

@@CruelestChris All battle plans are simple until the modern age. Hannibals plan at Cannae was to have the center give ground whilst the flanks hold and for the cavalry to defeat the Roman cavalry before wheeling back. Touted as one of the most ingenious battles ever fought; flanking a numerically superior force in an open field. And it was only possible bacause Hannibal lead the center himself, preventing the center from breaking into a rout. Some orders were as simple as telling your cavalry commander to go around a hill or hide in the forest and try to flank the enemy when the opportunity comes. Equal chance? Do you know how hard it is to kill a person in armour surrounded by bodyguards. This isn't Hollywood where everyone is constantly dying. Battles were more pushing matches than constant dueling. People didn't want to die either so they'd be fighting cautiously, they're trying harder to stay alive more than kill recklessly. As I said, casualties built up during the rout, not the actual battle. What do you mean that they're not being employed effectively? They're fighting hard to protect their leader. They wouldn't be fighting as hard if he weren't there. The men in general are fighting with more energy because of his presence. And the army that fights harder will be more likely to scare the opposition into a rout. Push them hard enough and their formation will break up. An army being pushed back is likely to run away. The cavalry wings will have their own commanders who can decide how and when to use them. A veteran cavalry officer is gonna know more about how to use cavalry than most generals whose job is to focus on strategy and logistics. Napoleon didn't tell Marshall Ney how to command his cavalry, he just gave him guidelines on what his goal was and let him do the rest. Armies with a deep structure of power and chain of command are more successful than one lead by an obsessive micromanager. It is often the autonomy and initiative of these individual commanders that decide battles. At Alesia, it was Mark Anthony who lead a group of soldiers to reinforce a part of the defence that was collapsing. Caesar was too busy leading his men in another part of the battle to order that. Caesar would've lost if it weren't for that, and if Caesar wasn't leading his men, then he would've also lost because the Gauls would've broken through and overwelmed him. Are those men uncivilised? Even Napoleon sometimes walked near the front lines to cheer up his troops.

[@BigBroTejano]

“Where I’m from that’s called Slavery” ... I may be mistaken... but doesn’t her mom, the queen, tell other Amazons where to go and what to do?

[@TheMaleRei]

It's different when it's a matriarchy, apparently. Wait, no, no - all those women consented to obeying and submitting their will to that of their queen. Wait - Queen?! The horror! It should be an anarchosyndicalist commune! Wait - no, it's okay when wahmen do it.

[@vitalykoltsov9956]

I know these films are dumb, but this is reaching.

[@BUSSTISEBOOST]

Aren’t they based on Hellenic society, I swear Spartans and even Athenians were a-okay with Slavery, just with different steps.

[@TonyTama]

And arent secretaries payed?

[@BigBroTejano]

@@BUSSTISEBOOST ya, the majority of the Spartan population were state owned Helots(who would be parceled out to true Spartan estates and families), and as for Athens... ya the city that was the birthplace of democracy were big into slavery, if you were a slave or a foreigner you amounted to very little and had almost nothing in the way of rights.

[@Rinksiderips]

After sleeping with the body of a man whose consciousness she imprisoned, I'd say Wonder Woman is the real predator in this movie. Not Cheetah.

[@oldmanjenkins5956]

I read that as sex predator, it I think that still applies 😂

[@zakuhtet3775]

Imagine, when Barbara makes the Apex Predator wish, she literally gets turned into Wonder Woman

[@CruelestChris]

@@zakuhtet3775 It's a good thing he let her finish that wish given she started with "I want to be number one" and a proper monkey's paw would have probably turned her into a bucket of piss for that.

[@landocalrissian3969]

apex predator

[@sparkypack]

2:09:40 😶😶😶

[@YourPrivateNightmare]

"I mean...this Hitler guy seems pretty bad, but he's not exactly Ares, is he now?" -Wonder Woman, probably

[@chriscross8547]

"I mean... you wished for your kid to recover from terminal cancer, but no true warrior was born of lies, now were they?" - also Wonder Woman

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Funny thing, they borked the history by killing Ludendorff, a man who held quite a prominent position in the Nazi Party and his not being there for key events likely changes the inter war period. Does the DCEU adress this or just assume WW2 happens as normal?

[@bosaciousbagginocious7475]

@@MediumRareOpinions that’s too deep in history. They might puke looking at page 1 on history.

[@markamanic]

@@MediumRareOpinions Or what about actually killing Ares and stopping the war presumably before it was supposed to be over.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

@@markamanic i'll cut them some slack, i got the impression that the film took place at the end of the war with Ludendorf oposing the peace negotiations which is why he killed off the other officers. Possibly im being too generous? I could stand to be corrected.

[@02hurst]

"What's a secretary?" "Oh, I do x, y, and z for him." "Where I come from, we call that slavery!" So the Amazonians have a concept of slavery, but no concept of paying someone to assist you? That's pretty f**ked up.

[@MooncricketsInc]

A paid secretary is the same as being a slave on amazonistan... Amazing

[@zak7an2]

no but you see they arent corrupted by capitalism and dont know what money is it totally makes sense you guys

[@bass-dc9175]

@@zak7an2 Well now they are influence by capitalism. They should have gone to the one place that is not corrupted by capitalism. SPACE!

[@TheClem9779]

I just noticed that the german soldier that got kicked out of the window by WW had a medic emblem (red cross in white field) on his helmet... just letting you guys know

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

isn't that a war crime? yes i checked thats a war crime! Wonder Woman is a rapist and war criminal, lol

[@karlleonis7882]

@@matthiuskoenig3378 "Don't you guys get it??? It shows she's a FLAWED superhero! This is why we need the Snyder Cut!1!!"

[@ryanmann9842]

So she spartan kicked a medic, at least she doesn't discriminate on a person who heals or hurts.

[@TheClem9779]

@@ryanmann9842 I really don't think that makes it better 😅

[@ryanmann9842]

@@TheClem9779 I disagree, I think it shows that wonder woman is progressive and no one gets the privilege of not getting kicked

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

The whole "I killed Ares and it is still going on" was fine. That humans are their own beings with their faults and qualities. Ares feeds on war but he should not be the cause of it. But it contradicts everything when the "real" Ares is defeated and the war stops. Really bad message.

[@greygorygaming]

Where's the evidence that it ends because she kills the real Ares? I never thought the end of the war scene was a thing that happened immiedietly after she killed him.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@pyerack Yep. I think they wanted a big stupid CGI fight at the end so threw logic out the door

[@greygorygaming]

@@pyerack Yeah but that doesn't mean it's the end of the entire war, does it? The war historically still exists, this is just one event.

[@greygorygaming]

@@pyerack I see, so it's more of an assumption moreso than a fact.

[@nobody2996]

You know, I remember a lot of people laughing at Aries being some old dude, but I think it actually could have been an interesting piece of symbolism if they just kept him as that old dude, walking with a cane and just a little bit of magic. Wonder Woman hunts the source of war, looking for some big, bombastic armoured warrior that she can hit; instead, she is faced with a feeble old man who explains to her how war has changed since the time of the Gods. No big fight, just a talk of philosophy from a weakened God humbled by Human's growing out of a need for Gods to inspire their disciplines (whether it be war, family, justice, death or any other God's speciality).

[@somerando8615]

Amazons, "Which side of this war is working for Ares?" Chris Pine, "OK so there was this archduke Franz Ferdinand taking a tour in the Balkans..."

[@DiZtheJedi]

And this guy named Alucard was playing with a loaded gun...

[@mgeiger2341]

And the Kaiser Wilhelm II cursed his damn English blood

[@mgeiger2341]

@ *Oversimplified spawns in* It's a very long and complicated topic, so believe me, this is oversimplified.

[@somethingguy912]

actually Chris would just say 'a good question, for another time' and proceed to never answer the question again out of spite.

[@aftertone3146]

"There's this guy Gavrilo Princip who believed in Yugoslavia..."

[@jackwhite2654]

Y'know in Ninjago, instead of saying "before time" they say "before time had a name." Ninjago is better written than Wonder Woman confirmed.

[@dumpertron1]

That’s a pretty high bar to clear, TBF

[@gucciprison7640]

I'm not surprised.

[@hkaayaakuu]

My 4th ish watch and I can't believe I didn't catch this comment earlier

[@zakuhtet3775]

Barbara: I wish to be an apex predator Maxwell: Wish granted Barbara: *turns into Diana, literally* Wait, what the-why!? Maxwell: Oh, sorry! I thought you said sex predator.

[@robertlewis6915]

Good joke.

[@SiddharthShenoy]

🤣🤣🤣

[@guyincognito82]

Sex Panther...60% of the time it works every time!

[@ggrarl]

"Sex Cauldron! I thought they closed that place down?!"

[@canaldecasta]

Efap makes me realize how much i shut down my brain at the cinema

[@rascoehunter3608]

WW 1984 is so bad that it is perfectly made to be criticised by EFAP.

[@truthblade01]

Honestly, same.

[@NGRevenant]

I thought people said the wonder woman movie was good, holy shit this is garbage

[@canaldecasta]

@@rascoehunter3608 Oh for sure. Btw I was talking in general, a lot of movies where I just stopped thinking. WW was the best comedy of the year tho

[@rascoehunter3608]

@@NGRevenant WW 1984 is such a bizarre trainwreck.

[@NextGen_Pants]

46:02 - Yeah it is kinda shitty. During World War II DC didn't want Superman depicted fighting in the war because he's impervious to bullets and it seemed wrong to show a superhero fighting in a war where real people where dying. They thought it would hurt morale. So they had Clark Kent fail his physical because his x-ray vision made him see the eye test chart in the next room instead of his chart.

[@calemr]

Clark Kent's willingness to follow international law killed... A lot of people. He could have just flown over and stopped the Holocaust, but "Aww geez guys, I'm not a member of the military... Now I'll just continue being a vigilante."

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Exactly. Okay, it is fiction and there's creative freedom and license. But imagine if some German creator wrote a comic in which they make a superhero and he gets enlisted to their military and so German Nazis win...!! Yes, maybe it would be done well and make a good comic. But outside that, forget taking offense, wouldn't we all just laugh at that? Diana chastises Steve of doing nothing while in the trenches. Yet, Steve isn't superpowered like her, and she never lets him enact a single plan he has.

[@sirapple589]

Valentine Gonsalves Isn’t Red Son a story about Superman landing in Communist Russia? Not as bad as the Nazi’s but still pretty up there in terms of bad-ness. I’ve heard good things about the story.

[@calebbelchak2379]

@@sirapple589 Going purely by body count, Communist Russia killed wayyyyyyy more people than Hitler and the Nazis.

[@sirapple589]

Caleb Belchak More people yes but to my knowledge the treatment of most of those people was far better than what the Nazis did. Or maybe I’m just ignorant of the reality of what happened. I’m open to learning.

[@seanhoogland1938]

Those cows didn't just materialise... they're the ghosts of dead cows that have take the bodies of living cows

[@Eli-Green]

💀🐄🥛

[@spooplegeist5260]

I am ALL the dairy!

[@kf3920]

and I am all the poultry! 🐓

[@TrisStrudel]

Should’ve been rhinos. Bet he wouldn’t complain then!

[@reysolo3672]

Thats literally what reincarnation is but worse. I guess they take over the cow fetue then by that logic?

[@carlbernard7615]

Best line of the stream: Mauler - "If you cut the Wonder Women stuff out of Wonder Women, I think it might be good"

[@CalamityTwo]

I'm sitting here tearing up at a simple scene of a man bearing his soul to his son. A single 15 seconds that had barely any setup, in a 2+ hour train wreck. What could have been...

[@paleface171]

I like the commentary the guys have for the films, and when they sit there quietly invested. Such a rare treat, like that scene when Luke from Bat woman was confronting his Dad's killer.

[@hariman7727]

That moment felt like bad overacting to me, like a lawyer putting on a show in a court room, and it was still one of the best moments of acting in the whole movie.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

I used to think Gal Gadot was alright as an actress. Every single zoom has made me rethink that, and gave me good laughs

[@redbearington3345]

Still think she is, their entire problem seems to boil down to her accent. Dur hur she has funny accent she not good actress

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@redbearington3345 kelelno, 100% is an artifact of her accent, but there are many instances of her just being a stone on screen. It doesn't matter her accent, her range is half to tears and poker face with nothing in between. Also the Arnie growls are a thing but I guess the Terminator is fair game but not the wonder women

[@redbearington3345]

@@-Azure.EXE- When did I say she was a great actress? Alright just means not bad. Arnie isnt a bad actor either, s you bring up yourself with Terminator. arent any arnie growls in those movies now are there? though people also absolutely dismiss Arnie as a bad actor because of his accent and aforementioned growls. So you bringing arnie up essential proves my point. 2 actors dismissed as bad because of their accents.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@redbearington3345 that's not what I said. My aim was to point out how we can laugh at Arnies accent but not Gadot's. I never said that I thought you thought they were great. There are definitely much worse actrons then those 2 but if the standard for average is so low that they pass, it doesn't bode well for acting standards. The things is that there are roles these people can fullfil to a tee. Arnie as the heartless terminator, still pulled off, 'I know why you cry but it's something I can never do'.

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Plenty of actors can have thick, exotic accents and still are praised for their acting ability. Some people just can't act

[@dookieshoe2905]

”the mind is the only weapon that doesn't need a holster." -Paul Blart

[@matthewcollins4773]

My beskar armour protects against the mind. Look at my buddy Mando -- he hasn't been struck by a competent thought in years!

[@wraithoftime4221]

Is the Skull a Brain Holster though?

[@dookieshoe2905]

@@wraithoftime4221 "the brain resides within bone, yet the mind its limits unknown." - Napoleon

[@a.n_9364]

Wait loads of weapons don't need a holster

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

@@wraithoftime4221 "The skull is just a weird holster." -Bagbo Bilbins

[@cameronroy2129]

Remember when Diana just said "I am all the women" when Aries said "I am all the men" and killed him with lightning? Yeah ...

[@solowingpixy-9569]

My favorite part was when she said "it's wonderin' time!" and wondered all over Ares.

[@MarianFK]

"No one is ever really a man"

[@Praefectus95]

The WW84 logo makes me think Wonder Woman screwed up WW2 so badly that she erased any evidence she was ever involved, and the repercussions were so terrible that there were 83 world wars after

[@McMahonHater]

She wasn't involved in WW2. This is WW1.

[@johnellisbushbush]

“Poison troopers” … “Venom troopers” … “Toxic troopers” … A Toxic Brood if you will?

[@LeHobbitFan]

Ayyyyyy

[@Squeeble00]

Let the brood fester and grow! We will gnaw at culture from it's very roots and rise from below, yes yes!

[@TyrDrum]

Mauler: "Our loyal toxic troopers managed to contain the insurrection that manifested from within EFAP. To ensure our security and continued prosperity, EFAP will be reorganised into the first *Toxic Brood!"*

[@LeHobbitFan]

@@TyrDrum so this is how subjectivity dies, with thunderous efapping

[@BananaMana69]

I remember watching Roosterteeth when this first came out and one of the female employees was talking about how she could feel the girl power at the end of this movie and that she felt like her and all the girls could fight any dude by the end.. This is how some people think about this movie....

[@jonsimpson6240]

I mean, to get anything done as a woman you need to be born from the gods with super strength, speed and unspecified other powers. And have the universe shift to provide you with what you need... Wait, how is that empowering?

[@dragonknightleader1]

Why are you watching Roosterteeth? They've been making trash for over a decade now.

[@kingbash6466]

@@dragonknightleader1 Well, it was 2017. This was before Roosterteeth fully revealed their mask and hit rock bottom.

[@BananaMana69]

@@dragonknightleader1 I just enjoy the personalities on the podcast. Mostly for nostalgic reasons as I find myself getting annoyed more with them as I get older. Wonder Woman is also a 3 year old movie lol, I watched that when it first came out and back then I was much more interested in RT.

[@mgeiger2341]

@@kingbash6466 Unless it was Jack. He never could get his mask on right.

[@themanwithnonamecalledwyat7575]

EFAP:I wish TLJ wasn't a thing WW: Renounce Fringy: NOUGH!

[@oldmanjenkins5956]

WW: Then I have no choice! [Translated from bad acting]

[@spooplegeist5260]

Fringy: Y CANT I HAVE DIS WAN TING

[@DisplayThisOkay]

Unironically would make a time paradox. Efap only exists because of TLJ.

[@thereviewersblock7459]

Fringy’s reaction to WW’s request: 1:43:03

[@fluff6811]

@@DisplayThisOkay “An unexpected surprise, but a welcome one to be sure” -Oblib Sniggab

[@aarexion7685]

If Ludendorff kills the entire German high command and Wonder Woman kills him how is history still the same... they were very important people

[@jimsaintruth4248]

Like wouldn't Hindenburg be there meaning the guy who was president of Weimar Germany for years and appointed Hitler as chancellor would be dead

[@alesin1992]

ENAAAAAAAAF

[@dodojesus4529]

Yeah, the wars end, the versaille treaty and the weimar republic leading into WW2 wouldve been reshaped in a major way. The military high command was practically ruling the reich by this point and their death would mean reshaping the world from then on

[@Tronathon242]

You gave it more thought than the writers did.

[@zarlei6048]

They just kind of forgot that they gassed 8 of the most important military men of Germany.

[@redbigun]

"No true hero is born from lies." Wasn't she literally born from a lie?

[@petriew2018]

the really funny part about that is that in greek mythology, probably a good half of all heroes are born of lies. Zeus would say or do anything to get under a woman's skirt and knock her up...

[@kylefrank638]

Hahaha that was a good joke that you took from their stream that also isn't true because Zeus and all the Amazons know exactly what Diana is but hahahahahahahahahaha

[@redbigun]

@@kylefrank638 So, everyone knows she's God killer and doesn't tell Diana. They instead tell her it's a sword. What do we call that Kyle?

[@kylefrank638]

@@redbigun That's not *her* "being *born* from a lie", bright boy

[@dragonknightleader1]

Arguably, the Amazons have been lying to her from her birth. Diana somehow knows about biological sex, but was told she was made from clay. She was also told that Ares was the cause of all war and then found out that killing Ares didn't end war forever or killed some old man before killing the raid boss. This propaganda is also implied when one of the other Amazons dismissively told Diana that men were easily led astray while Diana asserted that Ares MUST be behind everything. I guess they're not heroines either.

[@TheSharkIsWorking_23]

Fact: Gal Gadot was about to quit acting because she could not land any roles before winning the role of WW. I wonder why????

[@soyuzdavillan721]

Probably didn't blow whoever the studio exec was at the time

[@KelShu]

As someone who wears glasses, the "take away your glasses and you're automatically attractive" trope irritates me

[@TheOutlawMan]

I'm actually equally handsome with and without my glasses on. Ugly people can never recover

[@snakeguy8646]

Honestly it’s stupid, it even makes me self conscious to the point I take my glasses off when I’m going to an occasion or meeting people and want to look good,

[@KelShu]

@@snakeguy8646 Don't do that, be proud of your glasses

[@TheOutlawMan]

@@snakeguy8646 King... You are handsome with your glasses as well. You need a hug, bro? ☹️

[@snakeguy8646]

@@TheOutlawMan nah it’s just something I do now cause so much media still is all like “hurr durr glasses ugly”, I will admit it does suck though cause when I go out without my glasses everything’s blurry and I gotta play that off

[@TheOnlyGuermo]

"Why can't i have this one thing!" You are beautiful, powerful, liked by your friends and colleges, you have a good job, a bank ass apartment in an expensive as fuck city, you use your powers to help people daily, aaaaaaaaaand you are ageless and eternally young..... YEAH! YOU GOT A REAL RAW DEAL HERE WONDY! LIFE REALLY BACKED YOU INTO A CORNER! Unless you are the Punisher and maybe Spider-Man no superhero can say this shit.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

I'd say Batman but he is rich and has a butler waiting on him hand and foot so I guess he doesn't have it all bad all things considered.

[@nathanjora7627]

To be fair, you can have a lot of things that were never the things you wanted to have. It could actually be a very good thing to try and set a story around, someone who desperately wants one thing they can’t get, and maybe even have renounced pursuing it, that are reminded of this failure by the fact that they are otherwise very successful. Like, wether you want to make a fictional biopic about some kind of businessman, or some sort of tragedy about a more fantasy or SF character, it can be a very solid foundation for a character I’d say. Heck, to try and maybe force the trait : Anakin in the prequels. Pretty much the only thing he really wants is the power to save those he love (and not destroy those he hates XD), and in pursuit of that objective he accumulates glory, skills, friends, etc, but although pleasing to him, none of those are actually what he strives for ultimately, so when he loses his mother and risks losing padme he goes bonker because that’s the one thing he can’t afford to not be successful at. And sure, he is frustrated by other things and has other objectives, it’s just that many of them are either unimportant to him compared to his overarching goal, or in service of this goal, until he gets corrupted and his goal along with it. Point being : I don’t think WW84 did it right, but I can easily imagine a very successful person, beautiful, loved, all you want, that’s miserable and thus would make that kind of plea because they have been earnestly desiring just one thing that always eluded them, and are increasingly dissatisfied by the fact that the other positives of their lives are not enough to compensate for that lack.

[@Galvatronover]

@@williamcronshaw5262 he still suffers at the Hands of joker trying to kill his robins

[@nont18411]

Plus she raped a guy and receives no consequences

[@CruelestChris]

WHY CAN'T I HAVE THE SWAN THING

[@rustyrust9689]

1:34:27 Can we just appreciate that one of the WW84 executive producers is named Dick Suckle

[@Ramsey276one]

O M G XD

[@randominternettoaster7859]

he also had a role in the Scooby-Doo movie it's odd to see him on this movie

[@ijustworkhere1008]

The villain at the end of WW84: *a teary emotional scene where he reconnects with his son* The villain at the end of WW: “I WILL DESTROY YOUUUUUUUUU”

[@acedegenerate6959]

The movie literally contradicts itself. It is established that Ares doesn't directly control the minds of people and he just gives them self destructive ideas, yet the German soldiers stop fighting immediately after his death. Also what a message for kids: you can end wars by killing one bad guy.

[@NerdzTM]

its stupid too, because they went back and forth with the message Wonder Woman killed the commander guy, yet nothing changed, and Steve explained everything, how real life works so the movie was AWARE of the message, yet it suddenly went back on it AGAIN by making Ares an actual bad guy!!!

[@cranberryrosebud]

@@NerdzTM "Hmm, this message actually makes sense, looks like the movie will have a meaningful ending, and-" *Ares appears for real* "Oh, right, this is the DCEU, never mind..."

[@NerdzTM]

@@cranberryrosebud FOR REAL, plus Steve died sorta for nothing

[@cranberryrosebud]

@@NerdzTM But... ...the emotional resonance!

[@somerandomrpgenthusiast8451]

What if when Kristen Wig wished to be an apex predator, the monkey's paw interpreted it as meaning she wanted to be the biggest predator on the planet, and she just turns into a blue whale. And when Wonder Woman shows up, she's just flopping around uselessly on the ground as she suffocates to death.

[@Henriofgille]

Technically, you are correct, the best kind of correct.

[@mantha6912]

Other than the oversight that whales breathe air, honestly, seeing that would have completely turned the movie around for me. It would instantly make my list of favorite movies.

[@fluff6811]

@@mantha6912 Well to be fair. A blue whale is incapable of breathing on land because of how heavy they are. It would suffocate under its own weight

[@Bjjbhcoa86]

@@fluff6811 Can you imagine though? The size of a blue whale... She would take up neighbourhood(s?) lmao

[@fluff6811]

@@Bjjbhcoa86 yeah just morphs into a blue whale whilst inside that airplane. Literally causes the whole thing to implode before she falls to her death

[@mudcrab3420]

No Man's Land means no one controls it. Not no man can cross it. It was not a WW1 invention. Also by this stage of the war the actual front lines were thinly held. Stacking your front front line with troops simply meant there were more people to kill with artillery. The 'front' line hence evolved into outpost type positions and the bulk of the troops were held about 1000m further back where they had better protection from shelling and where they could react to enemy attacks. Then you usually had a second and third defensive line so that the entire 'trench' line was actually a zone about 5 or more kilometers deep. By this stage the Germans were also starting to fortify the villages behind the immediate front line to turn them into tank proof fortresses with barricades and light artillery. Also machine guns work better when positioned for flanking fire. Also also the standard method of defence was to send up SOS flares when attacked and have your supporting artillery shred the area in front of you. Battle plans for attack involved significant counter battery fire to suppress or destroy the enemy artillery - ironically considering the plot points of this movie, the usual weapon to suppress artillery was gas shells... BRITISH gas shells... - because if you don't reduce the defensive artillery fire your troops get pounded. Machine guns suppress them and force them into cover and then artillery pounds them until they move. Anyway, the point is that on the Western Front the defensive zone was very deep. You didn't just run up and take the trench immediately in front of you and them go frolic in the green fields beyond, because those green fields were still several miles away. There was the first line of trenches that would have been 200-500m of trench system, then the same again but maybe with less barbed wire 2km back and then a third line beyond that. All of this would have been within range of the defending field artillery. However by the time you got past the second defensive line as the attacker your own supporting artillery is now struggling for range and the infantry are on their own. This is why the 'breakthrough' in WW1 in the West was so hard to obtain to the extent that by 1917 the British were using Bite and Hold methods instead where they advanced to the limit of their artillery and then stopped.

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

Isn't there a story about how two opposing factions call a ceasefire during festive time (either Christmas Day or New Years) and a soldier actually initiated a football game between the two armies? I hate that Hollywood now is so dumbed down. No nuance. War bad. That's it. This, from a movie that has Steve, a soldier, say out loud, "Its not that simple." So its not just nuance, its self awareness that's lacking too, on the part of the filmmakers.

[@Eli-Green]

But that woukd require the writing team to know things or fo research :^)

[@sirapple589]

Call me crazy but I get the distinct impression that you’re a WW1 nerd.

[@NGRevenant]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 there was a widespread unoffical ceasefire on the western front around christmas in 1914, both opposing forces fraternised with each other in no man's land trading gifts and singing carols. Fraternisation happened quite a lot in the trenches but the scale of the christmas truce was a unique moment during the war that didn't happen again.

[@mgeiger2341]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 Yes there is, and alternate history hub recently made a video talking about some of the stuff that went on in the command structures.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

The Pedro Pascal situation was weird cause his acting was great but his character and writing was so bad. Gonna be nominated years from now in many "odd great performance in a shit movie" lists.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Indeed. Why would he wish to be the stone and not for his oil investments to actually have oil in them? It's not a Ponzi scheme if his land is actually oil rich. Might as well wish for that first before wishing for unlimited wishes.

[@johnnyskinwalker4095]

@@dragonknightleader1 The writers overextended themselves with mumbo jumbo that cannot possibly connect with an audience. By the last act of the movie, it was obvious that it was a bad idea that had gone too far but the writer was acting with an immature mindset and there was nobody to say to her/him "no". It's crazy that they went with this awful script. Would have been better if Lord had just done one simple thing: use the stone to make pipeline gushes with oil. At this point he's filthy rich, that is all he wanted. And then you do other things along the way that don't have to be tied to the rock. Esp. that has to do with Diana. With all their faults I believe the success of the MCU has been because they kept it simple. Even with their biggest movies. It's easy to follow and understand the motivations. This was a movie at the start, before one line of script was written that had one character: Diana. And it became a gigantic mess. Endgame started with hundreds of characters and everything went seemlessly. How on Earth could this be?

[@boarfaceswinejaw4516]

thats his career now. He went from GOT and Narcos to The mandalorian and Wonder woman.

[@michaelkemel9711]

@@dragonknightleader1 Something just occurred to me. For ill-defined reasons, his character keeps pushing for new people to make wishes, seemingly to make up for previous wishes. Was he literally a human Ponzi scheme?

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@michaelkemel9711 Yes. That seems to be the idea since Steve is in the body of some guy, but the movie is inconsistent with the illusion/truth element of the wishes. Does Cheetah stop being a super powered furry? Because that means renouncing her wish even though her character is not in the mental state to do so. Did that lady that died actually die? I guess not. But then the ICBMs actually blew up; they didn't turn back into Redwood trees cosplaying as more ICBMs. Which is why I say Persona 5 Royal was much better at executing this concept. Everyone did get what they wished for and it turned them into Lotus Eaters.

[@BaronB.BlazikenBaronOfBarons]

“Someone absorbing a Monkey’s Paw, gaining the ability to both grant wishes and decide their drawbacks” is an amazing concept. I wish it was in a better movie.

[@AsperTheGhost]

That part of the movie was unironically good. A businessman, who loses sight what truly matters in life, gets Monkey's Paw powers and begins to swindle his way to being king of the world. Except in his son's eyes, he already was a king and he never needed to do any of this, and finally realises it hearing his son cry for him in the chaos. Mauler was right. Wonder Woman is the worst part of this Wonder Woman movie.

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

​@@AsperTheGhostI watched the Neebs gaming recap of ww84

[@classactionsteve]

No it's not

[@cecilofchristmaspast4186]

I love that cliché feminist line of "men are needed for reproduction but not needed for pleasure" acts like its only one way. The lack of self-awareness is just delicious.

[@akumasstorytime3910]

The writers want to pretend jacking off and gay sex is a concept only available to women.

[@Zeddyboi86]

You know it’s bad when the supposed “Donald Trump” comparison character steals the show and is the most sympathetic and root-able person in the film. But my God, I actually did almost shed a tear when he reunited with his son! 🤧

[@TheFreeRunPorject]

Got to love Prometheus for carving people out of clay. We just forgot how to do it.

[@TheFreeRunPorject]

DC doesn’t even know Greek mythology 😭

[@xolotltolox7626]

@@TheFreeRunPorject let's not pretend marvel is any better with their handling of norse mythology, Heimdall the only black Asgardian in the Marvel movies, is described as "The Whitest of the Aesir" in the Edda

[@grandarkfang_1482]

@@xolotltolox7626 yeah, that's a problem, too, the problem here is that they've wasted every opportunity to use the Greek pantheon for a good Wonder Woman movie duology.

[@itbesilly4544]

They lazily killed them off, no more Greek gods for any of the dceu. Just reinforces my view that dc films suck. I love the animated stuff, but the movies 🤦‍♂️

[@sirapple589]

xolotltolox Isn’t Heimdall black in the comics? There’s a lot of Norse mythology the MCU gets wrong because it’s based on the comics, which have those mistakes. For example: Thor isn’t supposed to be blonde and Loki isn’t the son of Odin, they’re blood brothers. We kind of need to cut the movies a break on stuff like that because it’s the source they’re drawing from that’s wrong.

[@calamityjoan5187]

"Ares is making these Germans fight!" Bitch please, the Trojans and Greeks went to war over a women!

[@AJPwny]

@@azurchocolate Greek mythology can be summed up as a bunch of people having temper tantrums.

[@Happymasks]

@@azurchocolate I thought Aphrodite was the one chosen?

[@RorytheRomulan]

Helen: "Am I a joke to you"

[@legoverse1412]

Most conflicts in Greek Mythology can be summed up by SIMP!

[@fluff6811]

@@legoverse1412 Imagine if we invented the time machine and the first thing we did was send Belle Delphine back to the Trojan war

[@michaelcollins5819]

Make wish to be apex predator Get transformed into smallmouth bass Flop around the plane and suffocate

[@zakuhtet3775]

Or...gets transformed into a killer whale Plane goes KABOOM

[@jackdaone6469]

Or get transformed into...a human.

[@michaelcollins5819]

@@jackdaone6469 lmao or better yet she becomes a dude

[@rascoehunter3608]

@@michaelcollins5819 or become a honey badger.

[@fluff6811]

Imagine how terrifying it would be if she became a massive sentient dragonfly

[@loyal-tf-fan]

The greatest twist of 2020, Pedro reclaiming his integrity in acting through the Wonder Woman sequel. Never would of thought.

[@bad-people6510]

Never forget, he threw in his support for a multiple time convicted child rapist. Pedo Pascal.

[@thuglifebear5256]

I've decided. Let's make a Maxwell only supercut, featuring WW as the deus ex machina at the veeery end. See if that makes this any better.

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

It would be shorter, so that would help.

[@davidrogers9206]

I would love to see that

[@151monka]

I think that would be 1000x better. If it was popular enough, maybe WB could put together a proper film of it, like with Snyder Cut.

[@ericv00]

Man, I'm so glad Capital-O Opinions is becoming a regular guest.

[@Mythonaut]

I love capital-O Opinions more than he loves snap zooms

[@leonhartdragomir8948]

ikr. I remember when I tried to promote his channel in a EFAP superchat because I thought his channel was criminally underrated. I had no idea that he'd be guesting a few weeks later.

[@ericv00]

@@leonhartdragomir8948 I kind of want to do that with ProcrastiTara. But I'll let these things happen organically.

[@matt36866]

@@leonhartdragomir8948 Maybe they saw your super and they clicked with him the first timd

[@tuskinradar8688]

@@ericv00 imagine having her on for Batwoman S2

[@damienfritz5626]

It's really become a pet peeve of mine when movies don't gauge how attractive the actors are compared to the character they're supposed to be portraying. It creates this infuriating dissonance that gets even worse when it seems like the movie is blatantly ignoring the elephant in the room. There's no way in hell extra clean skin, perfect teeth, fit and pretty blonde Kristen Wiig would be seen as this unnattractive dork just because she's clumsy, wears glasses and has kinda messy hair. If anything she'd come across as more accessible and would be complaining from too much unrequited attention, compared to Gal Gadot, who'd probably intimidate a lot of men out of even approaching her. Reminds me of Snow White and the Huntsman, where the movie actually tells us with a straight face that Kristen Stewart is supposed to be categorically more attractive than Charlize Theron. CHARLIZE FUCKING THERON. Movies being a visual medium and all, I don't know why a lot of filmmakers refuse to take that seriously, especially when the character's attractiveness is relevant to the plot or their characterization. Cast attractive actors all you want, but you better get that makeup team working.

[@nont18411]

About Charlize Theron, ironically, one of Patty Jenkins older movies “Monster” already solved this problem by providing excessive make-up and having Charlize gained weight to make her look as ugly as possible. Idk why Patty didn’t use this same old trick in WW.

[@Wyllowisp]

Reminds me of Amy Schumer’s Trainwreck movie because it’s the exact opposite. The character is supposed to be extremely attractive and cocky about it but Amy Schumer herself is just meh at best. It’s supposed to be a clash between extremely attractive woman with a crass personality as her biggest weakness, but Amy Schumer is just ugly and crass.

[@SumDumGy]

I think this may be the first time I’ve ever come across someone stating they think Kristen Wiig is actually attractive. I’ve always found her to be completely bland.

[@mariusvanc]

@@SumDumGy she's not an exotic stunning beauty, but she's very pretty. Tall and slender, vamped up and in shape, and obviously they know how to exploit her good angles and hide the flaws.

[@SumDumGy]

@@mariusvanc I don’t think so. Nothing against her at all but I’ve never seen more than a Plain Jane. She’s not unattractive but she has never caught my eye at all to look at. I’ve not seen the movie but she seems perfect for that role for flying under the radar with little work.

[@TheAdarkerglow]

To answer Fringy's Question: Technically, yes, all children on Themescara are made of Clay, since Diana is the only child. They're kept immortal by the magics of the island because they can't procreate, because no men. It's actually a big plot point in some of the comics, as some of the Amazons kind of want kids.

[@themilkman2412]

I though some went into the world to get pregnant then go back, Diana was different that’s why she’s stronger. I don’t know it changes a lot

[@noraye2500]

@@themilkman2412 The movie seem to have mixed several of the comics origins. The most classic is that the amazons are all immortal and Diana was formed of clay and given life and power by the gods. The New 52 reboot era back in 2011 saw the amazons be similar to their mythological counterparts, where they have to go out and procreate with men; they then keep the girls and the boys are given to the god Hephaestus. Diana in that continuity was the demigod child of Zeus and Hippolyta. The movies seem to have kept the Amazons are immortal lore, but mixed it with Diana being the demigod child of Zeus as well.

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

@@themilkman2412 But they aren't "men" so how would that even work?

[@themilkman2412]

@@fastenedcarrot9570 what do you mean? Read the comment that responded to me, it corrected the mistake I made, might make more sense

[@Lunartic_]

Death by Snu Snu.

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

We've struck gold, this is the richest vein of noughs ever found.

[@Ramsey276one]

LOVED THIS

[@georgechapman9688]

It's a Nough scheme

[@Ramondorez]

It's a good thing the military only fired the magic missiles. Sure would have been a bad thing if there were one or more of the original missiles among them.

[@dragonknightleader1]

Either way, doesn't it mean that nuclear fallout is in the atmosphere? We see regular debris everywhere else.

[@Catterjeeo]

@@dragonknightleader1 Well Uranium though bad is not nuclear fallout bad

[@SiddharthShenoy]

What about the other military, they didn't have any magic missiles or did they wish for them when Max fulfilled everyone's wish.

[@No_nameOG]

Fun facts: Wonder Woman was created by the same guy who invented the polygraph test (hence her whip) who had a bondage fetish ( her weakness was being powerless if she’s tied up by a man). Also, Wonder Woman first joined the Justice League as their secretary. Edit for spelling

[@Cuntfucker69]

She did not become powerless from being tied up by a man, she lost her powers if her bracelets were chained together it did not matter if it was a man or a woman doing it.

[@dragonknightleader1]

That S&M weakness was far better than having random weaknesses because the plot demands it.

[@TheOutlawMan]

Based.

[@seagullsays5831]

@@dragonknightleader1 this but unironically

[@davidphillips-zee1083]

@@seagullsays5831 pretty sure it was unironic to begin with.

[@rascoehunter3608]

They could have brought back Steve in any other way that doesn't create a morality issue, it is a fantasy movie so you have plenty of options. Just have him respawn from thin air. But the way they did it is basically killing an innocent man.

[@arghanothername]

Or they could have kept it in, but had the characters recognize that their desires don’t entitle them to kill a man. That could have resulted in drama.

[@denkerbosu3551]

graping*

[@SantosAl]

There's also the quasi rape aspect of this scenario.

[@rascoehunter3608]

@@SantosAl I know what you mean. I was going to add that to my comment above but didn't know how to word it.

[@arghanothername]

@@SantosAl, I go with it being either/or. It’s murder if they don’t plan to let him ever return to his body, or rape if they do. Their intent was to let Steve keep the body forever, so it’s on the murder side of the calculus to me. I guess an argument could be made for it being murder and rape or just rape, but at that point it starts to sound like a Mel Brooks skit.

[@jjjmadness8306]

Good lord, Gal Gadot's acting is just awful. Every time she opens her mouth, I'm reminded of Tommy Wiseau from the room. It's that bad.

[@Missjunebugfreak]

Her acting is laughably bad. People give her a pass because she's good looking.

[@trevorderringer269]

At least Tommy is funny

[@DaMaster012]

How many and whose couches did she have to surf to get cast? That's the only thing I can think when I see Gal Gadot in anything.

[@kyon813]

Those close-ups on her eyes tell all. She just...stares when she's supposed to be getting emotional. For God's sake, squint, woman! Glare, raise an eyebrow, do something! Emote!

[@fraglimat]

Wonder Woman: Shopping for dress scene, "Really, specs? Suddenly she’s not the most beautiful woman you’ve ever seen?" Wonder Woman 84: Lol, glasses mean you're ugly.

[@akumar1423]

MAUL-EL NO!

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

KZbin gave me the option to translate your comment to English. Apparently, in some language or another, it means "DON'T MAUL IT!"

[@mozsaic3113]

I like the idea that at this point in time Martha and Thomas Wayne had already been killed and Bruce wished them back-only to be forced into renouncing it and losing his parents once again.

[@aaronmueller1560]

Goddamn these movies were dogshit but the ending scene between Max and his son made me actually tear up just seeing it here, like just from the glimpses of scenes with them I got that attached. I’m actually disappointed that they wasted such a great character by him being in this film.

[@TheRealJabbergeist]

Same here tbh. That was a great scene and Pedro sold it.

[@Missjunebugfreak]

Me too. That scene was legitimately great and Pedro's acting made me cry.

[@NiohArcadia]

I hated that it made me tear up because it was so fucking unearned and emotionally manipulative but the acting made me think otherwise.

[@HerohammerStudios]

Why? The son is nothing but a prop

[@Bjjbhcoa86]

@@HerohammerStudios Because the film is so blind in its classism, they simultaneously made Max the only sympathetic character in the film by giving him a sad backstory while made him do completely disastrous things (making him parallel to Trump etc) and expect the audience to forgive him for the stupid ass reasons the film/Diana did. Max can be understood to an extent and he is the only character we can say that about unfortunately, pair that with Pedro's acting, he hams it up but still gives vulnerable moments to the audience, if you try (which is hard) to care about this film, you would only care about Max...

[@jothecocopop]

EFAP kept asking what happens with Hitler after Ares' defeat, when it's totally obvious - Ares' defeat means that, in this universe, Hitler pursued his artistry career, as Ares wasn't there to influence him to start up a fascistic dictatorship! In the museum that Diana goes to in the first movie, there's probably a Hitler painting hanging there, being marvelled at and admired by the general public. 😍

[@cyrus2395]

Which has such dramatic consequences on the world that I can't even. But, hey, neat paintings, Adolf.

[@williamcronshaw5262]

Thanks to Zack Snyder's Justice League we now know the Nazi's existed in this universe. So I guess someone else led the Nazis?

[@Dragonspirit223]

​@@williamcronshaw5262I'm pretty sure the Nazi party already existed pre-Hitler, he just made himself a very vocal and charismatic leader of them, so ehh, it's technically reasonable. Now if they'd do the same things, that's up for debate, maybe, maybe not, the initial bits were primarily just German frustration unleashed on innocent people, so I can possibly see something similar occurring one way or another. All the rest of the crap... yeah can't say.

[@cameronroy2129]

What if someone wished after someone died that it was "me instead of them" now you have someone new alive and a dead person who can't retract their wish ... Also equally bad is that newly alive person may be a baby and even if its not they have to undo the wish and give up their own existence leaving even worse emotional scars on the living person who has to realize they brought back a loved one just to have then be disappointed or have them die again ... This movie

[@007southpaw]

That's why when max renounced his wish it should've negated any wish he grantdd

[@Ramsey276one]

2:05:00 WW’s brain XD

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

To be fair Rags, Both sides of the war were constantly using each other's tanks. Tis True Germans didn't build many tanks, but they did press any captured British tanks into service when they could. ^.-.^ that is really the only defence for this entire film I can come up wit. ^.-.^

[@ryanbrewis6990]

I can't recall any A7V being pressed into British or French service. Considering there were only twenty built I think I can safely say it never occurred. On the other hand, Germany operated something like ten times that of Beutepanzer which were mostly Mk IV IIRC.

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

@@ryanbrewis6990 I don't believe any German tanks were utilized by the British or French, save for one, but I canae recall the specific details. However mass produced tanks like the British Landships and French Renaults were often captured and used by the Germans, and then recaptured by the British and French many times. Much the same as captured artillery and ordinance. Armies of nations capturing and using weapons and resources of their enemies is nothing new in Warfare, and continues to this very day.

[@mgeiger2341]

@@Beuwen_The_Dragon And if we want to expand this to World War 2, Rommel was not afraid to use captured tanks to help replace his lost tanks.

[@RorytheRomulan]

Is that how you were adopted?

[@Beuwen_The_Dragon]

@@RorytheRomulan o.-.o wha?... °.-.° I'm not adopted... T.-.T You lie! *flies away n cries in dergonese*

[@spiny7560]

Can we have a movie where Wonder Woman goes up against mr freeze? It could be a battle of accents

[@CptnCardboard]

that's an ICE idea

[@fastenedcarrot9570]

Yeah, that would be cool.

[@goji3755]

Throw in Cheetah with a bunch of cat puns. Double the laughs.

[@dodojesus4529]

@@goji3755 as a finale the PUNisher shows up

[@sirapple589]

Sounds cool.

[@wleight1]

I feel like the story with Pedro Pascal was it's own script. The studio must have read it and said "this is good, but rewrite it as a Wonder Woman movie. Don't bother sending it back to me to read, I'm sure it's fine, just go ahead and make it."

[@MegaSpideyman]

"This is good...but it could be better".

[@tkellaway]

"I want to be number one" *turns into Robbie Rotten*

[@-Azure.EXE-]

Efap movies is now an actual movie. This was inevitabe

[@danielstec853]

I just watched the part where WW is walking around with her sword and shield out. She must've had a horrible instructor to teach her that sort of sword and shield safety.

[@MrGeorgeFlorcus]

I mean goodness gracious, she's walking around, sword out, in a crowded-ass room full of people rushing in and out, not really paying attention to where they are going. She's gonna take somebody's eye out, or cut someone's cheek open. And I have to assume, since she's super strong and that is a magic sword, it would probably do even more damage than normal just by grazing someone.

[@ericv00]

Everyone knows you always point the end of the sword toward the ground, and never keep your finger on the trigger.

[@freddykingofturtles]

Sheaths are clearly misogyny.

[@GeordieSwordsman]

@@freddykingofturtles Saying a sword needs sheathing is rape culture.

[@StupidWeb]

I love the idea of seeing a little Bruce Wayne wishing to see his parents again

[@Zfymaalcam76]

“Kill them with love.” That’s what Rose thought when she was about to crash into Finn during TLJ.

[@Davidofthelost]

She didn’t fire her love laser into the walkers.

[@bad-people6510]

She's supposed to make a hawk and dove STOP a war with love, make a liar tell the truth! They made a whole Justice League Unlimited episode about it! (Seriously, they actually made a 2-part JLU episode that just followed the nonsense lyrics from the 1970s WW TV show)

[@redbigun]

Edward Teller: *Creates the Hydrogen Bomb* Wonder Woman: Is that guy supposed to be Ares?

[@CruelestChris]

No, he's clearly supposed to be Alfred.

[@NickMK]

"She winks to that ugly child" Holy shit Rags :D

[@tadpolegaming4510]

Based Rags

[@ProxyDoug]

"And then 'it' winks back"

[@DisplayThisOkay]

To be far Rag''''''''s always calls children ugly and useless. It's probably one of the most consistent things he says.

[@adulescentuluscarnifex8412]

@@ProxyDoug You're not telling me those animals qualify as anything more, right?

[@ProxyDoug]

@@adulescentuluscarnifex8412 Watching it again, he say "the kid" but his mic cuts outs.

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

Cheetah looks like she came straight out of that CATS musical movie....

[@ArcticWolf00Alpha0]

@@IAOIceland1984 No, Uncanny......VERY Uncanny.

[@spencergilchrist1457]

Thank you, I thought I was the only one!

[@mattblaster2378]

Reminder the villain in this movie is more well thought than the hero and the villain supposed to be based off of Trump

[@tuskinradar8688]

@Isle OfDonSpuart the real question for EFAP scholars was whether she merely graped handsome guy, or was it a full blown grape of the mouth?

[@redbearington3345]

except he's not... I mean no matter your opinion of Trump Max Lord wouldnt be anything like him.

[@redbearington3345]

@@nmr7203 He's got an asian son, and his entire motivation is about protecting his son, making a better life for his son, being a good father, and earning his sons love and admiration. He also gives up everything in order to keep his son safe in the end when he sees he could be in danger. Now first does any of that sound like it describes Trump if you're someone who has any negative or neutral opinions of trump? Second does it sound anything like Trump at all? And thirdly would a single person who likes Trump describe him as someone who's motivated by love and care for his family? Answer to the first two is a inarguable now, and to the 3rd Trumpers have always said things they like about him is he's an arrogant prick. I.E. the opposite of Max lord

[@tuskinradar8688]

@@redbearington3345 its certainly weird af that they would try and Model Lord after Trump, when his character ends up being the only likable one in the film due to those reasons you've already stated. I do distinctly recall that in interviews abt it they have confirmed that was their intention, so as best I can thread a throughline, the connection is that Trump is this "Billionaire" who isn't actually very successful, who goes around selling people lies, and even usurps the position of President, all to try and look as good as possible to the people he cares about, when deep down he knows he's not very successful and "cool". Its a pretty Sophmoric take on an admittedly complex meme of a man whose been in the Oval Office for the past 4 years (till they decided to nakedly oust him and subvert democracy), but then these are Hollywood Celebrities, you're hard pressed to find a more out of touch bunch of people.

[@MAGAMAN]

@@tuskinradar8688 "subvert democracy" There is no Democracy in America. Democracy is Mob Rule.

[@speedyacorn2520]

You know they did a bad job when the "Donald trump" inspired character is the most relatable one

[@Wyzai]

I think that was the oil baron.

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Just to play devil's advocate, but looking at the movie, I don't think he was supposed to be a direct Trump analogy, but more of a... allegory, I think? As in, he wasn't supposed to represent him in character or conduct, but draw a kind of parallel, something along the lines of "charismatic businessman tries to indiscriminately grant everyone's wishes from the president's podium, and it causes everyone to suffer", as it was literally shown in the finale. Or at least that's the only link I can find, as other than that, the antagonist of this movie is nothing like Trump.

[@speedyacorn2520]

@@Horvath_Gabor yeah I think that's a more accurate way to look at it, from my understanding the whole trump thing came from an article about WW84 but I never read it so y'know but what you said sounds more logical

[@Krapvag]

the only time they were inspired was by a guy they hated

[@dragonknightleader1]

@@Horvath_Gabor It's the closest this movie gets to nuanced storytelling. The result is that it makes Wonder Woman the villain in the process because she really doesn't have a good reason to do anything she does.

[@Wyzai]

WW84 is an unintentional comedy. Film starts with her story, then we're shown her in action. Reporter: "Who is this woman?!" cue mysterious montage of photographs and mementos you might recognize to piece together the identity of "this woman". Montage ends with the watch audience remembers she got from the love of her life. She sits in a restaurant alone as a man walks past with a rose he hands his date. WW picks up the menu and focuses on it, looking sad. She sighs heavily. Waiter: "Are you waiting for someone?" "No. It's just me." she responds. She drinks wine so she can avoid any more conversation and looks at the menu to avoid eye contact. She sighs heavily a second time. She walks home alone. She refuses a taxi ride with a guy "I'll wait.". She sighs a third time. She looks at the sky on the plane that reminds her of her long lost love. Special shot of her standing there extremely alone. She sighs a fourth time. Calling it "on the nose" seems almost misleading in its understatement.

[@Ramsey276one]

On the nose? THROUGH THE TRACHEA Such overkill! XD

[@ericv00]

I think I might understand the Trump thing. I think maybe the idea was to criticize a charitable interpretation of what Trump does to not lose the part of the audience that they assume are Trump supporters. I have heard people describe Trump as the type of person that makes a bunch of promises to "literally" anyone that can't realistically live up to expectations, and does this to try to make people adore him. Certainly more charitable than 'all the "ists" and "literally" WWII main antagonist' that a lot of anti-Trump folks usually say. If you look at the character as an anti-Trumper's most charitable take on Trump, it kind of fits.

[@alexbeck8568]

Trump and “most charitable” doesn’t exist together in a progressive’s brain

[@jonnyg9865]

To the filmmaker's credit they weren't going for some anti-Trump sting here. It was simply that Lord's character was a cheap conman desperately trying to emulate the style and success of the real Trump but he lacked the skill and resources to succeed on his own merits thus he turns to the supernatural.

[@FunZies.]

Somewhere out there, a young Bruce Wayne is being told to rennounce his wish for bringing his parents back to life. Because ya know, the truth is they're dead. LIVE WITH IT! :D

[@999999SkyGuy]

Dead people bringing back is extremely selfish. This planet is already over populated. Betraying dead is more an evil thing. Furthermore i never was a Batman fan. This would make Batman a villain. Wishes & time travel are almost bad in every movie. Because everyone gets a chance to write. If you not capable just don't touch those two things. Self reflection seems like an extremely hard thing to achieve nowadays.

[@kingbash6466]

This would only work if this was Bruce Wayne already in his Batman career because he would know and understand the consequences of his wish.

[@FunZies.]

@@kingbash6466 Good point. The same could be said for the billions of children/young teens who also received wishes, but according to Diana, orphaned kids have to grow the f*ck up. Lol.

[@self3x851]

How is Diana's past in WW1 a secret that Waybe needs to dig up? She openly interacts with a lot of random people and it's not like everyone she interacts with dies. It should be common knowledge about the war, not some weird secret

[@sonofangron2969]

My favourite thing in the first movie is how Ludendorff is apparently a supersoldier intent on ruling the world, and is killed by Wonder Woman, when in truth he survives WWI and goes on to become an early supporter of a certain moustachioed Austrian painter...

[@ProxyDoug]

The actor that plays Ares looks like the father from The Wild Thornberrys

[@regiman222]

Remus Lupin?

[@patrioticcat5768]

Smashing

[@dimitriwarchief301]

He got the looks But not the love

[@regiman222]

@@dimitriwarchief301 or the voice, he's no Tim Curry

[@scottlander1007]

Nigel

[@yagamifire7861]

They could've avoided all the timeline issues AND Steve Trevor issues in Wonder Woman 2 by diving into her dealing with mythology instead of the real world Wonder Woman: The Underworld Have her go on a romp in Hades domain alongside Steves spirit and at the end she has to leave without him and gets to say goodbye

[@FunZies.]

All I can do at this point is just implore people to watch WB animated film, _Wonder Woman 2009._ The short opening also starts on Themyscira, but through the magic of _show, don't tell_ and good writting, you get so much information on Diana's origins, how Themyscira operates and character motivations. Who knew! Please give it a watch. :)

[@gunnar6674]

Thanks for the tip. I'm watching it right now.

[@laristokrato106]

Well, that was based on an entirely different version of the character, prior to the awful 2010's reboot. Whereas that WW was founded on a subversion of the myth of Pandora(with WW being a good and free-willed reinterpretation), the current character is just a trite, lame Xena/Hercules hybrid. And BTW, can you guess what Wonder Girl's origin used to be, prior to the reboot? Yeah, WW was downgraded to the level of her own sidekick...

[@AnimaVox_]

I second this. Wonder Woman 2009 is legitimately good. Heck, Post-Crisis DC in general was a lot better than the new stuff they keep churning out.

[@FunZies.]

@@gunnar6674 Did you like it? :)

[@gunnar6674]

@@FunZies. Yes. It wasn't as good as the 2017 movie in all respects, but it was a better treatment of Ares than in that movie. The relationship between Steve and Diana was also better in the 2017 movie. Amazon Alexa assaulting the Capitol and White House was very unintentionally apropos of 2021 also.

[@sophisticautistic5453]

"LUDENDORFF ENOUGH" HYPE TRAIN!

[@valentinegonsalves7322]

>>What'd you bring me? >>I bought you 1.2....biiillliiiooonnn >>Ludendorff! Enough!

[@fluff6811]

@@valentinegonsalves7322 Still my fav EFAP moment xD

[@gottesurteil3201]

Kal-el no!

[@SaintMaxxi]

I love that you edited the old man yelling "no" before being dropped on the cop car. I actually spit out my drink.

[@kieranhj8759]

me: “I wish Ackbar was still alive.” Wonder Woman: “Renounce your wish.” Me: “no.”

[@t4rv0r60]

yeah and there lies the problem. it only needs like one drughead who wished for a kilo of coke. he would never renounce his wish tho. or all the edgy teens who just wish the world to end....

[@CastroStudios1]

Amen

[@georgechapman9688]

I wish Disney live action remakes weren't a thing

[@neubaufahrzeug9339]

Easy fix for this movie have it so that Ares isn't the bad guy. Zeus made man but they were flawed conflict would arise and due to ares being born the god of war and getting strong because of conflict Zeus saw him as a threat. He blames Ares for the flaw in humans saying he corrupted them and they have their fight Zeus wins and to cover up his mistake he make the amazons lies to them and the god slayer in order to defeat Ares when he comes back. Ares reveals that Zeus is a dick like in every story involving him and that man is flawed by nature and doesn't need him to find a reason to fight. He also reveals the amazons are no better stating that based on words alone they were convince to train forever to kill a man they didn't even know and how its only a matter of time before a disagreement turns into an argument which turn into a fight until its it gets so out of hand sides have to taken setting up for wonder woman 2. This also allows the amazons to be flawed like man and allows for creative character to be born. Maybe one wants to bring man down because of their war hungry nature. Maybe one doesn't like the rule of the queen another could want to coexist with men joining the island. Possibilities are endless.

[@useraccount3207]

I like your comment, but I hate your Shadman profile pic.

[@neubaufahrzeug9339]

@@useraccount3207 I Like his art style, not the man or his more questionable artwork.

[@HerohammerStudios]

I like your Shadman profile pic, but I hate your comment.

[@RollingDodge]

Wonder Woman (2017) seems like the type of movie that gets worse each time you watch it, I suggest just to watch the animated Wonder Woman content, and specifically the animated Wonder Woman (2009) movie, and Wonder Woman: Bloodlines, because I think they're better.

[@lanceelato3507]

Longman brought us time so he could be long. Back when time was new.

[@tinkertrainbreach]

At least, time was new when last video about Force Awakens came out.

[@seagullsays5831]

"Kal El no." -Bilbo Baggins

[@bemoore4]

It's always odd to me that "bad guys" tend to shoot at "hero" at the exact angle that makes it easy for the "hero" to block the shot. All of those bullets (in "No Man's Land") just keep hitting her shield (and nowhere else). It reminds me of Bucky in "The Winter Soldier", where he was in a room filled with gunmen and they kept shooting his metal (vibranium) arm.

[@aces6262]

Screenwriters can't write for shit and doesn't know how fast are projectiles especially in CQB.

[@jeebuschristos8423]

Women having no concept of time DOES explain why it takes forever for them to get ready for a night out...

[@spiderjeranimo4992]

"I wish to be an apex preditor.", turns into Harvey Weinstein.

[@nont18411]

@@davidf2676 Harvey B. Cosby Spacey Epstein Jr.

[@chriscross8547]

@@nont18411 Harvey B. Cosby Spacey Epstein Jackson Jr.

[@chriscross8547]

@Mister Metokur lol he was imo

[@hariman7727]

Or one of the bidens.

[@Borti_Ovi]

Blessed EFAP! Oh, how I love you so!

[@thevirtuoso6168]

No joke. I have a neurological disease and you just gave me the time of my life. So much fun, thx guys.

[@SirSadness]

I love that anything which tries to put the women as better than the men, the men are always the best part. Batwoman is a great exemple.

[@jamesware3370]

I’m so glad you guys covered the first Wonder Woman film, I always thought that movie was terribly written, but all of my mates thought I was mad for having that take.

[@apocryphicdeath]

"Men tire of drinking and dancing sooner than war" - Some Roman guy, probably.

[@Rabbit-uc5kg]

I believe you are quoting the great Pedanticus.

[@matthiuskoenig3378]

the quote is "“Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing and dancing, sooner than war.” and its from Homer (some greek gie)

[@mgeiger2341]

It's an Aristotle thing.

[@petriew2018]

probably not, since War was big business in Rome....

[@lieutenantnomad9198]

"KELELNO!"

[@cranbury25]

26:40

[@-Azure.EXE-]

@@cranbury25 tips fedora

[@nont18411]

Pick up out NUNUKES

[@edgythehedgy6661]

Rags: “it would be weird to see people just walking around with gas masks” Wow rags, way to call out mauler like that

[@Jay-ln1co]

I can understand the Germans signalling ahead that there's an enemy spy escaping in a plane and the ship was probably out at sea and intercepted him, but why did the German ship sink? Did it just hit a rock? Where are all the crew, we just saw some soldiers in row boats? If only we followed Steve the beginning of the movie, establishing these things, and then switched to Diana after she pulls him out of the sea.

[@andrews4717]

The whole max lord villain thing reminds me of the movie Wishmaster. Evil genie that can’t do anything unless someone wishes it. Pretty interesting concept

[@mudcrab3420]

50:13 - Rags asks "Wow, the German just randomly shot a civilian?" Well Fez guy and Native American guy are not in uniform at this stage and actively taking part in the battle, so in many ways Steve and Diana brought this on themselves. Also, now I can sort of accept there would still be civilians behind the lines in this town, but why were there civilians living in the allied trenches with the strong implication they had been there since the start of the war? No one in the allied armies even suggested they walk 2000m to the west and go and live in a ditch? Nope, just sit here on the fire step and get in the way. Good luck with the next gas attack.

[@arkoa0000]

No Rags still has a point because Diana and Chris were literally right there beating the shit out of the Germans and Chris has a gun. Why would the sniper prioritize an unarmed civilian to the obviously armed people that just attacked your group.

[@mudcrab3420]

@@arkoa0000 Simple. He is only a Level 3 and knows he has to grind up some easy XP before he is ready for the Boss fight. He knows if he tries to fight Diana before he is at least Level 5 he is just going to get his bell tower punched in. Unfortunately he made the mistake of agroing Diana and then couldn't fast travel out of there. Classic noob mistake. :D :D Also this explains why Diana spends half the game... ummm... movie... dressed in the skimpy outfit. He is clearly playing with mods :D

[@Krapvag]

I think they'd seen saving private ryan and figured if they just have a trench in front of no mans land (which...I honestly thought for a moment she was gonna say "I am no man") then that is basically world war 1

[@mgeiger2341]

@@Krapvag Band of Brothers also did this scene but WAY better.

[@zelo3238]

Fun fact both Steve Rogers and Steve Trevor die in a plane and come back exactly 66 years in the future.

[@BobbyWanKenobi]

A lot of story problems of the first Wonder Woman would be to remove Ares completely and rework Ludendorf. First of all Ludendorf was a real general, him and Hindenburg basically ran Germany during the war, so him killing the German High Command makes even less sense, since he was basically in charge of them. So lets change him to be fictional general, lets call him General Vogel. In this reality, general Vogel answers to High Command and in this reality he is almost single handedly responsible for winning the Eastern Front. But after all the sacrifices he and his men have made, he hears that the High Command wants to surrender. He is furious, so he assembles his men and Doctor Poison to make super weapons. The war is coming to a close but he is able to find like minded generals in the Central Powers, Ottoman Empire for example. The Turks start making gases for him. Queue the start of the movie. General Vogel is not a stereotypical bad guy, so he does not shoot his subordinates. Instead he is surrounded by his most loyal men, who share his vision. During the final confrontation he could explain to Dianna, that he knows nothing of Ares, aside from Greek myths, and that Ares certainly didn't make him this way. He would explain that he started out as a young naive officer, with almost blind idealism and with a clear distinction of right and wrong (kinda like Dianna), and that he saw war as an honorable thing with rules. Through his hard work quickly rose throught the ranks, when the war started he was almost a general, the battle on the Eastern front earned him more fame and glory, but he had to watch a lot of his men die and suffer. Que some traumatic event during for example Brusilov offensive. He bacame cold and heartless, reaching the conclusion that victory must be achieved at all costs. The men under his command did not die in vain! He was overjoyed when they finally "won" in the East, when the Russian Civil War started and they sued for peace. Divisions under his command became almost elite troops and they were sent to the Western Front but instead of a hope for victory, he hears talks not about peace, but even surrender. He could not stand such a shame, not after everything he has done for German victory. So he found Doctor Poison, a woman whose experiments were too much even for the German High Command and employed her. Willing to go as far as he needs, sacrificing what's left of his humanity. Doctor Poison is a twisted genius of her own accord, not because she is corrupted by Ares. Finally he says that with this one strike on London, he will become a monster, a mass murderer, but he is willing to make that step, to go down in history as man who has done what the Great Plague could not. He could even be remorseful about targeting such a beautiful city such as London, but he would say, that no lesser target would do the job. To force Britain to accept peace, if not to make them surrender out right. With peace, Germany will retain all the lands it conquered and his comrades would not have died in vain. Other stuff: Just as Fringy suggested, he uses the super meth to make super soldiers. Basically dudes in some armor, with a gas tank on their back that pumps this stuff (diluted) into their gas masks which make them superhuman for extended periods of time. He doesn't kill the High Command, but kidnaps them, holding them hostage. Cut out that rag tag bunch of heroes that Steve has, but keep the Scotsman. The main message would be, that war turns men into animals, regardless of their noble intentions or beginnings and that the same thing could happen to Dianna in some time. But hey, I'm just a random guy on youtube.

[@ProjectRedfoot]

WHAT?! I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER ALL THE WORDS!!

[@doopdoopdopdop7424]

This is a good idea. Write a book please.

[@DeAardappel]

I'm a Great War reenactor that portrays the average German infantryman and I watched this when it came out with my (now ex) girlfriend who was didn't understand why I didn't like it, aside from all the awful plot shit and cheesy aspects. I was like, "You just showed me a film where I watched what seemed like three hours of people dressed just like me and all my best friends, I wore that uniform a week ago, were slain with brutal Medieval weaponry..." lol

[@mudcrab3420]

Okay - just from the start of the movie... - where do the Amazon get the boat from? - Actually where do the horses come from? Do they have an entire eco-system on that abstractly sized island that allowed horses to evolve? - The movie is 1918. The aircraft Steve steals is a Fokker E-III which dates from 1915 and due to the development speed of aircraft in that era it was obsolete within months. - That bomb Steve drops has an impact fuse, not a timed one. It would have exploded just after hitting the roof. - How does a ship manage to chase an aircraft? - Where does the German ship come from in the first place? Med Sea, late war. Germany has no ports in the Med. This leaves us with the Austrian/Hungarian Empire and the Ottomans. Both were effectively 'Fleet in Being' powers that were actively blockaded by the allied forces. - Ludendorff, real Ludendorff, had a moustache. - How did the boys in the trenches know who Doctor Poison was? - For all the moral high ground about poison gas being used by the Germans, the allies used gas as well in very large quantities.