EFAP

[@eriadorranger2196]

The guy who wrote the “Orcs are black” video is a consultant for Dungeons and Dragons now btw

[@gabrielkow8867]

No way

[@devinmcdonnell9057]

That fits perfectly with modern D&D. Like when Anita consulted for AAA vidya.

[@gorade1901]

Ohhhhh THAT'S why they removed half-orcs! Everything makes sense now

[@gabrielkow8867]

@@gorade1901 i haven't played dnd in a while. Did they ACTUALLY remove half orcs or is it a meme?

[@gorade1901]

@@gabrielkow8867 This was something they did for One D&D, AKA 6th Edition. I think they've since taken a half step back in response to the backlash and added in something to substitute it, I haven't followed One D&D closely since, but they did initially remove them and cited real world race implications as a reason. They actually went "MIXED RACE COUPLE?! CRINGE"

[@JulianDoe]

Timestamps 0:00 Positivism 0:55 What Rags Needs 2:30 The Devs 6:11 Nauler's Adulty Experience 11:48 History 15:55 Disagreement 17:42 Pricing 21:52 Preamble 26:50 This Is The Voice! 29:04 Nebula, Leagle Eagle & Cpt Marvel 34:50 The Video Starts 35:20 Landmines 47:50 Extra Credits 54:30 Mugs & Inflation In A Weird Universe 1:04:07 Diving 1:07:50 Data Pilled & The Voice 1:15:06 Factor 1:17:35 Inflation 1:24:29 Efap Micro: Past, Present & Future Of the Game Industry 2:02:12 Fingy's PDST 2:04:33 Back To The Inflation 2:15:20 Landmines & Memories 2:22:47 Couchers vs Floor Sitters 2:25:18 Console Wars 2:26:17 Industry & Consumers 3:19:20 Wedges & Monetization 3:26:36 Landmines 3:50:57 Data, Statistics & Discourse 4:21:25 Know Your Meme 4:25:00 Assassin's Creed 4:26:00 Dev's Game Tale 4:28:18 Dev Side Quest 4:37:10 Price Tag 4:42:00 More Data 4:45:25 Examples & Marketing 4:45:00 Even More Data 4:59:25 Getting Political 5:00:00 More Data Again 5:09:04 The Bald, The Wig, and The Trump 5:11:28 Indie Games 5:13:50 Quality & Pricing 5:21:38 Anger 5:25:00 Teams 5:29:47 The brain 5:36:18 Enjoyment 5:38:48 The Draw 5:40:09 Costs 5:47:23 PatricianTV 5:48:12 Covid 5:51:20 Feels & facts 5:53:45 Thoughts, Cats & Farms 5:56:37 Support 6:00:30 The Sponsor 6:10:48 Celebration 6:12:23 Oldie But Goodie 6:50:40 Closing 7:00:22 Tournament

[@makhmal1776]

Thank you❤

[@killian9314]

These are the perfect comments

[@This_Is_Something]

GOAT

[@Agent789_0]

God Bless You, Timestamps Man.

[@TheSilverScrub]

You're always a hero

[@arcuscotangens]

Let's just take a moment to appreciate him claiming the industry did all they could to avoid making games more expensive, while citing everything they did to make games more expensive.

[@LukasJampen]

They should go to the olympics with those mental gymnastics.

[@bearoftheinterestvevo1558]

@@LukasJampen The special olympics, maybe

[@LukasJampen]

@@bearoftheinterestvevo1558 I never specified 😂

[@Dabeyoun]

You know what they could do to reduce game development costs? Cut off all these consultancy firms that add literally nothing good to the games.

[@samwallaceart288]

Consultants = tax writeoffs + shareholder approval = short-term gratification for the CEO who thinks the customer isn't going anywhere

[@Dabeyoun]

@@samwallaceart288 how are consultants tax writeoffs?

[@samwallaceart288]

@@Dabeyoun They get affirmative action incentives for implementing progressive values; hiring these groups checks that box. That's how DEI groups have such influence; they literally pay people to hire their friends

[@johnparker8648]

​@Dabeyoun some countries offer monetary incentives in the form of grants or tax breaks for utilizing multimedia companies in their jurisdiction. This primarily takes the firm of Hollywood creating shell companies and filming in these regions. Consultancy groups also fall into this category in some places. This is why so many of the Sweet Baby style consultancy companies are based out of Canada.

[@JTFIghter6969]

@@johnparker8648Honestly that’s interesting to hear. I never knew that. I’d love to see someone breakdown the math on how much money gaming companies save through tax write offs using these firms. With the financial incentives set up like that, it’s no wonder companies go that route, I just fucking hate these firms as they are.

[@ingrowsmith5148]

I'm prepared to watch the video, with the swagger of young subarban orc from downtown Mordor.

[@samwallaceart288]

Sauron is 100% a Democrat urban planner

[@CPForte]

​​@@samwallaceart288yeah he was all about tearing down racial divides such as the Walls of Gondor.

[@sedrie34]

“The exaggerated swagger of an orc teen”

[@Shineinpoverty]

@@sedrie34 "troubled teen"

[@arkoa0000]

​@@samwallaceart288well he is called the "dark" lord for a reason.

[@aesiddoway]

The heavy, dead silence after Dev compliments Legal Eagle said more than Extra Credits ever could.

[@iivin4233]

Is that Captain Marvel take Legal Eagle's only bad take?

[@TheSeatisEmpty]

@@iivin4233For a while, yes. “For a while” being the key part of that sentence

[@jacksobrooks]

​​@@iivin4233 he also made a deceptive video responding to the KZbinr "Upper Echelon", who makes some really great stuff. I think you can hear about it in the UE video about Mr Beast with the word "goldrush" in the title, in case you want to find it.

[@Indigo_Gaming]

Making an entire video to "educate the smoothbrains" about the basic concept of inflation while pretending to take *_our_* side on how games have gotten predatory and expensive is so scummy. Now, back to slurping my Factor green goo...

[@AfutureV]

Pretending? While watching the video the panel said a lot of things that the video then went on to say as well. Why are they scummy but EFAP is not when they present the same idea?

[@Wolf_ManJack]

@@AfutureV Being an aggressive schizophrenic whose utility in life is just being a worse chatbot is one thing, but please have the barest echo of human pride and stop liking your own fucking posts

[@testiculartorsion6047]

Because I said so

[@hkaayaakuu]

That's all cool but how did you like longmans pron segment. That was some Top notch educational coverage

[@The1337guy1]

@@AfutureV Because EFAP isn't pretending to be on the consumers side when they explain the basic ideas behind why prices increase over decades. Intentional or not, Extra Credits has this incredible effect that when they make arguments, they often throw people under the bus who often times had nothing to do with it. Like painting gamers as irrational for not liking the increase in price of games, predatory microtransactions, and general trends in game design, just because they don't like it. Just because the video said things that align with what EFAP said, doesn't mean how they were presented wasn't scuffed. You can come the right conclusion the wrong way.

[@Draanor]

For the record, I didn't MAKE AAA developers spend $200 million on a game. There's absolutely ZERO reason why AAA couldn't be making 20 million dollar games. That is NOT my problem. AAA games seem to be operating like governments with bloated budgets buying $2000 toilet seats.

[@apocryphicdeath]

And blaming the customers (taxpayers) for the waste!

[@e.c.winner7252]

Same for Hollywood. No one forced Disney to spend $300 million on Indians Jones: Diaper of Disentary. But they did for some reason

[@saisameer8771]

Take this with a grain of salt, but I think these ridiculous budgets probably have to do with appeasing shareholders. They have to show higher and higher profits on their balance sheets in order to keep the shareholders coming. Because of this they have to constantly nickel and dime customers in order to keep the money coming, which is why you get all these predatory micro transactions and dlcs and what not. These bloated budgets are apparently mostly about marketing and advertising.

[@zoulsgaming9455]

Except the market buys fifa every year, buys COD every year, the market for playstation is entirely based on third person action games with full voice acting that is as much watching a full movie as it is gameplay in a massive world. there is literally nothing preventing you from buying indie games, which they just refuse to acknowledge in the entire video, they just say "oh 0.00001% of indie games are successful so clearly you dont need big budgets" ignoring how the rest of them dies. it should be especially obvious as its an argument they have made FOR MARVEL that the expectations of cgi are so high that they have a hard time backing down, the same for AAA games where everyone expects an 80 hour fully voiced campaign with thousands of voiced npcs and polish on everything.

[@christopherkelley1664]

@@zoulsgaming9455 Yeah, just like for every successful restaurant there were 3 or more that failed before it. It would be useful to distinguish categories of indie game. "Indie" as in one broke dude's tortured genius passion project isn't the same as an "indie" developer with a handful of driven people who have experience/degrees in relevant fields and are essentially a professional outfit on a small scale.

[@NoPantsBaby]

The reason why old games were more expensive and justifiably so is really easy to explain. 1: Inflation and wages have not kept pace. You are about 40% poorer than your great grandfather working in a factory. 2: The first game cartridges were ground breaking in house produced technology that was heavily invested in by the manufacturers. They wrote the software, they designed the chip boards, the whole concept of inputting data was new. All of that was done in house. 3: Storage device production costs are way way way lower these days. There is no shipping costs, no retail costs, literally just the production of the software. 4: Most of game development is automated and 3rd party software is the norm. In short the fact games are STILL $60 despite all the advances in technology is just corporate price gouging. They should be closer to $30.

[@samwallaceart288]

Yeah, nowadays the storage hardware is bulk-purchased DVDs and digital files. And we already pay internet providers for the service of downloads

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Actual good games are closer to $30. Triple-A is a scam.

[@Phoenix0F8]

"You are about 40% poorer than your great grandfather working in a factory." PREACH AND TEACH, BLARE IT FROM A MEGAPHONE OUTSIDE DEV'S HOUSE

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@Phoenix0F8 Make sure to do it with semi-truck grade horns, to remind him to do the trucker video.

[@LurkerDaBerzerker]

@@mrbigglezworth42 Didn't even watch this EfaP, because the commie was involved, same rule for Side Scrollers and Archcast. Don't want to have any more migraines from his mental gymnastics.

[@Arphemius]

30:00 LegalEagle is insane in every single take he has. It doesn't stop at Captain Marvel. 32:55 And yes, he was anti-Rittenhouse.

[@SiriusSphynx]

All he does is try to justify whatever is the trending opinion on the internet for clout.

[@GBDupree]

@@SiriusSphynx Specifically whatever is the News Media's opinion on a subject.

[@psychosytheXmediaXco]

Yeah his take on the Depp trial was an eye-opener for a lot of people

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

People who aren't virulently political have zero reason to listen to him.

[@TheFatalcrest]

>_> wait he was anti-Rittenhouse even as the the case unfolded and showed more and more clear self defense?

[@DrProfessorRobot]

I feel sorry for Patrician. He was trying so hard to keep the gang on task, when absolutely nobody wants anything to do with Funny Voice Man, and Dev was being.... Dev.

[@LN997-i8x]

I am really glad to see he's becoming a regular guest on EFAP.

[@gabrielkow8867]

​@@LN997-i8x Pat is cool, he can stay with the cool kids

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@LN997-i8x Maybe Dev being here for 5+ hours means Arch can get some other guests on his cast. I need time away from his special brand of Leaf retardation.

[@shutit8949]

He just wanted to finish the video before he had to leave lol

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

Honestly, this would have been a great episode without Dev. Remember that arguably the best EFAP, or at least top 3, was when they mostly ignored the Jenny Nicholson video.

[@Martijn_Steinpatz]

Extra Credits has gathered all the data folks, they just happened to forget to actually share it with us...

[@TheKpa11]

Ai: I feel offense

[@mrshmuga9]

Rinda me of that news channel that said "you can't be trusted to read this document", lol.

[@goufr3540]

Extra Credits is like Mozz Kinata from TFA, they have the data but will explain at another time, that never comes.

[@RhysCallinan-hf7qx]

It's all in his head, trust me bro - Extra Credits

[@Bulletproof_Trump]

So D & D is screwed, got it.

[@wisd0mtree38]

Fun fact: The Sims 4 with all DLC is over $1,100. I love how cheap games are these days!

[@Raptorworld22]

In USD? 'Cause guess what, if so then that means it's closer to $1,600-$1,700 in my currency. So cheap!

[@wisd0mtree38]

@@Raptorworld22 Yep, 1,100 good ole Burger Bucks

[@Raptorworld22]

@@wisd0mtree38 An absolute steal, surprised EA aren't out of business with such low prices

[@Bulletproof_Trump]

Luckily Sims 4 is complete trash and most people know it. They were some of the first to add pronouns to their game.

[@Raptorworld22]

@@Bulletproof_Trump Fun fact, the pronoun update also "broke" ingame relationships, allowing for incest. Great update, very much worth it

[@crimsonpotemkin]

It's so nice how Dev showed up with own cross, hammer and nails.

[@BogaSlawa]

And sickle

[@fieldmarshalbaltimore1329]

What happened

[@BogaSlawa]

Dev, the eternal inch giver. Ps I'm glad Mauler took Dev to task for his running defense of ridiculous house prices.

[@1Duegon]

better to be inch giver than inch taker

[@BogaSlawa]

@@1Duegon and yet he is that also 😁

[@doughnut090]

That's a good euphanism

[@stevenstehling]

He's Canadian. That is a flaw with their species. Paul Chato does the same and we see the result in Canada. What they think is being polite is just weakness. The strategy of appeasement never works.

[@Phoenix0F8]

I've had nothing but benign indifference to the man before this video and now my blood boils at the mere sound of his voice spinning up into a "I know everyone will hate me for this, but here's why literally everything that's killing you about modern life is secretly super great and you'd be an absolute child to ever complain about it" screed

[@13JackDiamond]

Getting angry at Dev's takes is the only thing that brings me joy in life.

[@elmobently6413]

Dev somehow has similar sounding takes to Doomer while still being wayyyy more mature about it.

[@snakeguy8646]

@@elmobently6413because he doesn’t repeatedly say “I’ve been playing games for 28 years therefore you should take what I say as fact”

[@joesmutz9287]

His takes might have been terrible, but he was willing to own that. He's fun to get angry at because he's good natured about it. Felt like we were laughing with him, while laughing at him

[@user-NameName]

His takes aren't the problem, it's that he speaks 40% of the time when there are 9 other guests.

[@Wheningoubt]

@@user-NameName My own problem with him is that a lot of what he says when he comes on stream is often backed up with "A friend told me" or "I heard that" or just speaking from a generally ill informed perspective. I don't mind his takes but it does really annoy me how so much of his insight comes with a caveat that amounts to "...but idk". He wasn't as bad here as he was back during the twitch react era but I genuinely find Dev to be one of the worst reoccurring guests on EFAP that I can think of.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*Wolf! I know you read these!* *I demand a compilation of EFAP doing Extra Credits impersonations!*

[@ryleygriggs9840]

WOOOOOLF! Drop efap extra-credit compilations, and my life is yours!

[@wilder11]

Oh yeah I second this. XD

[@jodanger37]

Yes and a shitcube man one

[@SideBurns]

Also, put down the pizza!

[@nodot17]

WOOOOLF! Have a great day

[@bexarath]

In this age of near-constant Steam sales and brilliant indie productions that go for $10-20 at launch, there is little incentive to drop $70 or more on a single game. The last game I paid more than $50 for was Elden Ring, which I now have 500+ hours in. People today just have the luxury of being far more discerning with their money, and putting an overly-high price point on your game just gives it a sour first impression.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

As a bit of a counter to Dev's point about how nice the guy making the games was to him and his explanation for why those monetization practices are necessary, I once went out for dinner with a developer who worked on Battlefront 2. It was informal, and you'd be shocked at how he described the monetization in the game. He actually told me that he thought that gamers were stupid and would gladly keep spending money in the game just to unlock their favorite Star Wars character. There wasn't a big speech about how necessary it was to make that game the way it was due to the harsh realities of the industry in an age of social media, he was openly, and proudly, saying "I just want to make a lot of money, and anyone who gives my company that money is stupid."

[@lukew6725]

Is he wrong? Gamers are complete morons.

[@danishcartoonist545]

Secret camera recording, Project Veritas style, or it didn’t happen

[@axelvoss9653]

Source?

[@greatclubsandwich5612]

Well he is right. If you pay for that shite you are dumb.... But he's also an asshole, and the market shall decide his fate.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

@@axelvoss9653 A source for a private dinner? You're proving the guy right about being stupid. I can give you the context, though. I auditioned for his band, with him and his buddies. He worked in a division of EA and we went out to eat after practicing some songs. The conversation turned to some controversies occuring, namely the microtransactions stuff. The guy went on a rant about how SJWs and Gamergaters don't understand how the world of business works on both sides, with both sides using equally stupid assumptions, which is why they're always fighting because they're both partially correct, but mostly wrong. Then he made his speech about how his only goal is making money, and that he doesn't fear the wrath of gamers because they're stupid.

[@Handsy_McGee]

Dev not beating the Boogie-style shame fetish allegations

[@TheSetkon]

Hey man, that and fence sitting are the only things that bring him joy in life...

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Came here to hate on Extra credits, ended up hating on Dev instead. He comes across as such a distraction. Bro just derails every conversation to say some contrarian s#t. He really does remind me of Boogie. Willing to say whatever to get a reaction and feed off any attention.

[@fancyelk2373]

@@inquisitionagent9052 “erm, hypothetically guys what if I agreed with EC? Not saying I do….unless? But jk! But not really, but-“ devs commentary on everything

[@janehrahan5116]

lileth says hi.

[@TheInfidel23]

Aged like fine wine 😂

[@shaecouture7480]

Fringy's "Look we've got an extra credits video to get through alright." about Dev's takes had such "We'll deal with you later." Energy lmao.

[@LN997-i8x]

The way Fringy goes "What's your argument?" at 16:15 really sums up his feelings on Dev.

[@Wheningoubt]

@@LN997-i8x What a coincidence, mine too.

[@mfmageiwatch]

Dev is absolutely wrong about US and Canadian dollars being on par in the 90s. Every book I own from the 90s has 2 prices listed, one in USD and one higher in Canadian dollars.

[@stevenstehling]

You can always rely upon Dev to be wrong.

[@mfmageiwatch]

@@stevenstehling yep, Dev and Rags.

[@adamkenway7308]

The prices on books were always different but there were a couple of times where CAD was higher than USD. Around 2007 and around 2011-2012, no in the 90s though.

[@LN997-i8x]

It takes like 0.5 seconds to pull up a comparative dollar relation graph and see that the exchange rate in the 90's was basically what we have now.

[@fabiof.8152]

​@@mfmageiwatchAnd for Fringy to talk for way too long without saying anything of real value that adds to the conversation.

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

Dev once again continuing the eternal cycle of giving the opposition inches and later wondering why they keep taking miles.

[@LN997-i8x]

It wouldn't be a Dev EFAP without him confidently spouting objectively incorrect information without being called on it.

[@inquisitionagent9052]

Sargon and Arch are right about Dev

[@ABonafideSkeleton]

@@inquisitionagent9052 What was said? I don't watch the Arch cast.

[@burgertime6372]

@@ABonafideSkeletonDev isnt actually short for anything

[@sometingwrong905]

@@ABonafideSkeletonmainly that dev is a naive communist

[@grandarkfang_1482]

" _My_ Playstation. _My_ XBox. _My_ Shitcube." *_Dune theme intensifies_*

[@I_TheLandlord]

NINTENDO SHITCUBE

[@Vathmiel]

The console takes the weak. My XBox. My PlayStation. *My Cube.*

[@LN997-i8x]

19:33 Canadian here, this is absolutely false. The exchange rate in the 90's was very similar to what it is now. Our dollars were only on par for like 5 Minutes in 2010-2011.

[@yotoniha]

I swear Dev is a plant to make Canadians look bad. As far as I remember the price of goods in Canada has always been higher than the US, even when the CAD was equal or higher than USD.

[@GeneralPotatoSalad]

I still remember a political cartoon of the era. Showed a bald eagle with a dollar sign on it divebombing and a nearby seated Canada goose shouting "Holy crap I'm flying!"

[@BogaSlawa]

​@@GeneralPotatoSalad 😄

[@kingcole5977]

I was surprised that *"Games* *Are* *Cheaper* *Than* *They’ve* *Ever* *Been"* by Extra Credits came out May 2024, as the video is a rehash of the same topic in *"Games* *Should* *Not* *Cost* *$60* *Anymore* *-* *Inflation,* *Microtransactions,* *and* *Publishing"* which came out Jan 2018.

[@monoono4051]

So thats why the video felt so familiar.

[@deamongimli]

Ah, back in the days when Extra Credits was decent...

[@dklwos8088]

Dev really loves the sound of his own voice. His chin is wiggling like crazy this episode.

[@jodanger37]

As a gen z-er, let me translate: Mid is when something isn’t good or bad. You have no feelings towards it whatsoever. It exists, it’s empty Ultra mid is so whatever you almost wish you’d hate it, cuz at least you’d feel some emotion about it

[@wilder11]

Most use the word "mid" with contempt in their voice. Just like "mediocre". It's a strange paradox. It's SUPPOSED to mean middle of the road, lukewarm, etc. But we're all so jonesing for our dopamine hit that anything "mid" is actually treated as if its shit.

[@jodanger37]

@@wilder11 true. Mid is boring, but I’d rather have mid than a tlj or ss:ktjl

[@SiriusSphynx]

Huh... Anyways...

[@gottesurteil3201]

How do you do fellow zoomers? Actually though we already have words for these notions why aren't we using them?

[@cuthalion4281]

@@wilder11 Year, I've mostly seen it used to criticize something popular without the negative connotations of outright calling it trash. Sort of saying something is bad without actually saying it's bad. Most users of the term, in my experience, don't have any argument to back up their position, so they use "mid" to avoid committing to a harsher position they actually hold but can't defend.

[@MsNovaris]

You forget about the part where Captain Marvel assaults Stan Lee too! Same movie, she's walking through the train, sees some guy sitting reading a newspaper then pushes the paper down, sees it's Stan Lee, smiles (knowing he's powerless to stop her) then walks off It's exactly the same 🤣

[@HerohammerStudios]

Holy fuck, you're right. That whole thing just keeps getting worse and worse

[@YohanRoth]

But you kinda wrong. Lee smiled because he could reduce her to atoms, he just spared her😌

[@Сайтамен]

How tf is that an assault? She moved the paper because she was searching a scrull.

[@CPForte]

​@@СайтаменEFAP watched a video once where LegalEagle argued that Captain Marvel was assaulted because someone moved the map she was holding slightly to talk with her. They're making a comparison to show how absurd it is.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

​@@YohanRoth The thing about Stan Lee is that in most cameos he plays a different character. The joke is that there's a lot of people that look like Stan Lee that keep appearing, not that Stan Lee keeps showing up. It is a weird thing to do for his last appearance, though. That's almost "Kevin Conroy's last appearance has Batman get shot," levels of "Erm, I don't like this at all."

[@anthonysaylor8120]

Oh boy, it's our old pal _Extra Cringe_

[@urbanberndtsson]

"We didn't ask for this, we didn't choose this, yet there it is"

[@Ron_Jambo_]

​@@urbanberndtsson"There you are , watching EFAP while having a beer, and all of a sudden, you're a massive."

[@portalmanHUN]

Extra Chromosome

[@ciontachthecthonicchampion3576]

@@Ron_Jambo_”all of a sudden you’re a member of the toxic brood”

[@spectral_force5097]

There you are, your skin having a high melanin content, then you watch an Extra Credits video and all of a sudden: you're an orc. You didn't ask for this, you didn't choose this, yet there you are.

[@S4ns]

When Dev said Super Metroid was mid, I had the same reaction when Gary and Az said they liked the Snyder Cut ... "What the hell is wrong with you?"

[@utarefson9]

Super Metroid came out the same year as System Shock. It has always been overrated by people's childhood memories on their first console.

[@321cheeseman]

@@utarefson9 No. Tons of people came to the game many, many years after release and loved it. That's what I did (after Fusion and Zero Mission). That's what plenty of people I know did. That's what MauLer did as well, apparently. You can't just hand wave all the near universal acclaim away as nostalgia. It ain't.

[@GBDupree]

@@utarefson9 Super Metroid also had MASSIVE amounts of influence far beyond what System Shock had. It wouldn't be wrong to say it is one the most influential games of all time, below Super Mario Bros, but possibly ABOVE Mario 64 for example. Plus SM has aged far better as well, though it is feeling more stiff over time, much like Mario 64, as games have been getting smoother to control over time.

[@25meip]

It's an incredibly well designed, influential and fun game. However, some people who play it today REALLY hate how floaty Samus feels in it. For people who like metroidvanias, that's the absolute entirety of their complaints about it. If you put it up against more modern Metroid releases, like zero mission and dread, even those are extremely fast and snappy compared to super, and so feel nicer to play for modern gamers- regardless of whether or not they are better games

[@TitaniumDragoonNeo]

​@@25meip I personally don't think it holds up THAT well. But then again, I have a bias against all metroidvanias that stray too far from the Castlevania side of the formula, which is like... 95% of them. It not holding up is akin to the Ultima games or the first few Dragon Quests: absurdly influential, but not super palatable to modern tastes.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

After listening to this, I can see why people consider Dev to be a lolcow now.

[@thuglifebear5256]

It's like he's trying to shill for breadtubers whilst claiming to be moderate. It comes across as extremely fake.

[@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917]

​​@@thuglifebear5256 I just got a weird vibe from him. The part where he said that he hates Mario Odyssey, and then eventually when pressed he says that he mainly hates it because he watched a video criticising it is just very strange. Plus, the video he described clearly didn't understand the point of that ending stage. It's marked as the first stage in the map because you're essentially starting a new optional campaign, so you have fun in the Mushroom Kingdom, refresh yourself on the skills you learned, then when you've completed enough you get to go to every kingdom again with essentially a full game worth of missions in each stage that will eventually lead you to a boss rush, and then a final difficult challenge. All of what I just mentioned is what he said made him hate the game because some KZbinr said it was bad game design. Plus, he hates Super Metroid, apparently. That's just a bad take.

[@John-kc4cg]

He has been for years. I'm just counting the days until he is so blatant that Arch and co. finally remove the tumour.

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@thuglifebear5256 "shill for breadtubers" what???

[@ShortFatOtaku]

@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 nah i hadn't played mario odyssey since release and i had a really bad time with it. maybe i should go back and re-check it out, but every time i watch another video on it i'm like "oh yeah that bit sucked didn't it?" however i DID recently play super metroid and i don't hate it, i just think it's weak. prime, prime 2, fusion, and dread are all better.

[@joshthehomesteader229]

The example of house costs being on par is just wrong. My home was built in the 70s and sits on 5 acres in the middle of no where. Over just the last 3 years it increased in value by 50%. I could not afford to buy my own house just 3 years later.

[@crimsonpotemkin]

It's like saying "people are slimmer than ever before", but the people are riddled with tumours and cancers that are sucking the life out of them.

[@lordofthepizzapie9319]

That Pissed of Gamer segment was some primo EFAP content. A real old-school experience.

[@MaxiusTheGod]

29:30 Dev, legal eagle is TRASH. Every lawyer considers him a joke. His videos are also insanely biased politically.

[@nhagan001]

I remember when they covered him for the Captain Marvel deleted scene, and he stretched the law to say the Don had assaulted her.

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

>Every lawyer considers him a joke. Sauce?

[@MaxiusTheGod]

@@KaNoMikoProductions just watch any lawtuber. I watch a shitload of lawtube and they are all embarrassed by him. Short version is he did law school and a few years of corporate law. He fumbles hard when it comes to any criminal law, or deep governmental law. He’s fine for surface level law school basics.

[@ManHamOrigins]

Unfortunately, he’s still more reliable than Rekieta these days

[@zigzag1630]

@@ManHamOrigins Really? I haven't watched lawtubers for a few years now but I thought he was okay enough in the past. Would you please provide an example? I suppose that any truly talented lawyer wouldn't give out good legal information for almost nothing on KZbin.

[@mynameisnobody8597]

Threatening to cancel an account is the hack to speak to a human. Has been for some time now. Repeatedly claiming to not understand the customer service rep gets you transferred to a U.S. representative.

[@Yusuke_Denton]

Depends on the company. Neither of those tactics worked with Amzn when I tried. Their customer service is hit or miss, sometimes it will be amazing and another time an Indian obviously reading a script.

[@smallmetalowl3209]

It's also useful for getting better deals. There are certain companies I threaten to leave every year and somehow they always manage to find a special rate at a steep discount to keep me as a customer.

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@Yusuke_Denton Amazon is an absolute nightmare dude, I will agree with that. Another hack you can use on most companies that are slightly less far along the cyberpunk trail than Amazon is- If you *actually* need to cancel a service and don't wanna spend 8 years talking to a conveyor belt of representatives begging you to stay: Tell them you're moving to an area that's not covered by their services. This does not need to be true in order to be effective at saving you precious time and mental energy for a decision where your mind is already made up.

[@Denien82]

As someone who studied economics, it is sometimes painful to listen people talk about it having clearly no idea of what they are saying. Mixing up basic concepts, switching cause and effect, ignoring data, bringing up unrelated stuff... To compare past and current prices in any meaningful way, one should spend at least two nights (😜) just doing some cost analysis, breaking down how the production process works now and back then. Inflation can be part of the deal, but there is so much to consider: changes in logistic, spreading processes costs on multiple projects (e.g. engines), potential economies of scale (for big studios), breakeven points, changes in wages, alternative sources of income, price elasticity... to name a few. I would need a 10 min video just to explain the literal meaning of what I just listed... 😅

[@thuglifebear5256]

Dude, make the 10 minute video. Just point at it whenever you need to.

[@trashfire9641]

That's a lot of words... Too bad I'm not reading it.

[@LN997-i8x]

@@trashfire9641Filtered.

[@e.c.winner7252]

Make the video and send the link to the EFAP bois.

[@papershadow]

10 minutes? But that's 1 more than Mr Extra Credits needed to make their argument about 40 years of the Game Industry and 1 night of research. That would make you a Long Man and thus definitely wrong. /s

[@hugojmaia]

Dev missed one key aspect of the "games take the same amount out of your paycheck", if you think about the paycheck as a whole, yes, however, out of people's disposable income, after the essentials have been taken out, games take a much higher chunk of the entertainment budget. Comparing to people's raw earnings is what allows the dishonest arguments to appear to have some form of standing. Would like to see a deeper dive into how "keeping the same price" still results into a feeling of being more expensive when people are getting squeezed for more money on all fronts.

[@e.c.winner7252]

Yup. And the first things to go are “entertainment” items. It’s (part of) why hollywood, AAA video games, streaming services, and theme parks are struggling right now. If I can’t afford to eat or pay rent, I can’t afford to subscribe to Disney+ or buy a $100 video game.

[@Wheningoubt]

@@e.c.winner7252 Subscribing to D+, or most of the streaming services out there, is barely worth paying for if you have plenty of money. You pay monthly for what, 2 or 3 decent pieces of exclusive content? I don't know why anyone bothers with them anymore at all. Same goes for AAA games, or even consoles that rely on a few exclusive games to sell. It seems like people who justify increased price can get bogged down in proving that no, you CAN afford them, when even if that's the case, it doesn't justify a sale. I could win the lottery tomorrow, it's not going to make me buy Redfall, Starfield or S#ide Squad because even if I don't value my money, I still value my time.

[@lokenontherange]

Also the averages tend to be total nonsense as they're often too focused on things like full time work, don't account for the huge amount of students or people out of work, and tend to be too high in general because of the massive pay rises seen in the top 0.1% that haven't touched the bottom third.

[@bifffranklin5056]

This EFAP is so good. It hearkens back to classic EFAP - watching a ridiculous video that serves as a sounding board for much more interesting and entertaining conversations with a fantastic panel. Good stuff lads. Also, it's not ILLEGALLY SHORT

[@samwallaceart288]

Between the real-talk about salary economy conditions for regular people, the video game nostalgia, the dismantling of dishonesty and false arguments, and the childish dunking on the shitty illustrations; this EFAP is a strong recommend for someone who doesn't know EFAP to get a good idea of what they're about. The only thing missing is a soyjack's receding hairline, cringe camera work, and mysteriously black bedroom furnishing

[@akashajones6079]

@@samwallaceart288 Really? Because as a long time EFAP watcher, I found this one very boring. Just back and forth talking about how much certain games make and how inflation is a thing.... Does it get better? 'Cause I didn't watch the whole thing, due to the above criticisms.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@akashajones6079 You probably just didn't care about the subject, that's fine. Somebody that does not care about movies would probably find the Rebbel Mon review boring too

[@akashajones6079]

@@marcogenovesi8570 You're probably right.

[@scottski02]

Extra Credits: *Has another L take* The Internet: "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?!"

[@BogaSlawa]

The guy at the end had me rolling in stitches 😄 It also made me a little sad. Part of my family is Russian and I witnessed this growing up. My dad would occasionally pay for their flights to come visit us in Idaho. He would be worried and unhappy at seeing his cousins and nephews gaining more and more weight and not caring. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the obesity rate spiked greatly in the Russias, due in part to societal hopelessness and depression. This guy reminds me a bit of that. I hope he got better.

[@MegaSpideyman]

I'm curious what he says now.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Somehow Extra Credits remains incoherent.

[@GeneralPotatoSalad]

Artist and VO changed but it's the same guy running the show. Some people never change.

[@ciontachthecthonicchampion3576]

It is…honestly astounding how stupid they are compared how seriously a lot of people take them. Legit as long as I’ve been aware of them they’ve been drooling idiots and almost everything they say is wrong. Just…talk really fast and sound really concerned with some drawings behind you = intelligent I guess?

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

It's gotta be that distilled water he's drinking. It doesn't provide the electrolytes necessary to fire those critical thinking synapses

[@DemiSamaKun]

I'm just happy dasboshit is ok and alive, I saw a few videos from KZbinrs using your "hacks" video and got hit with the reminder that you're alive. Last time a KZbinr stopped uploading in my feed died, rip mittens squad, happy you're not on the list.

[@Namons]

1:36:20 - "Xbox Live was a monthly subscription back then." It still is, Rags. It still is.

[@XenoSpyro]

You'd have to still be throwing money at gold membership within the last 10 years to know that.

[@Wheningoubt]

@@XenoSpyro I haven't played on consoles in 8 years and I knew that, at least intuitively. Why would one assume Xbox would ever stop charging when many consumers are mostly fine paying for it? Granted, since I switched to PC I look back on my console years as being an enormous waste of money but if someone actually wants to play on console, they'll likely be subscribed just as a matter of course. All that being said, I doubt Rag was saying the practice stopped and was referring to his experience on console as being "back then".

[@ExpertContrarian]

@@XenoSpyrono

[@Bulletproof_Trump]

Why is it so fun and feel so right to make fun of these 'Extra Credit' clowns

[@329link]

Because they were once believed to be intellectuals and got a big head. Them falling apart just feels like a result of their hubris.

[@nananamamana3591]

Because clearly nobody bullied them enough as a kid, so the universe is conspiring to correct this.

[@trashfire9641]

They are Muslims.

[@Usammityduzntafraidofanythin]

It's the combination of them thinking they're intellectual and also "down with the kids" because they're a png tuber with more frames. Not to mention, their corporate shilling, and the DJ voice is like icing on the cake. It's almost DSP levels. *A more critical take:* Their experience with video games at most amounts to "left wing gamer with a humanities degree", so they're easily caught in the weeds of other people who play video games and who have differing opinions - yet they are continuing.

[@isaackane4931]

If DEV really wanted a Hot Take to get lynched by Chat, he should've brought up his takes during the Hogwarts Legacy shitshow. Y'know, where it's apparently okay to harass people, and having emotional breakdowns due to the abuse is, "not handling it well." That said, fun EFAP. Mostly just because 90% of it's them talking about things unrelated to the video. Like, fuck, I remember the old Xbone fiasco, was good times.

[@sparkypack]

Dev always does that. I've reached the point where I'm just not watchin anymore.

[@casbyness]

@@sparkypack He just does it to steal focus and promote himself. Eternal grifter. Try drinking every time he interrupts someone mid-sentence, or every time he starts a sentence with "I".

[@Phe0niz]

He didn't say it was okay to harass people, he said that you're responsible for how you react when it happens. His stance was that it was her choice to leave in response, and that he thought she shouldn't have done so. You can disagree with that, but it's not at all fair to put it in the same territory as the Jimquisition dox take.

[@Phoenix0F8]

@@Phe0niz kinda weird to be leveling criticism in the direction of the victim while giving deference to the abuser tbh. very weird energy. sort of giving me sermon on the mount vibes where responding to aggression is treated worse than just being aggressive. bullshit mentality.

[@Phe0niz]

@@Phoenix0F8 It doesn't give deference to the abuser, the specification that you're responsible for your reaction itself implies someone is wronging you, but you still have your own agency. My interpretation is that Dev thought she should've doubled down against the abusers if anything.

[@samwallaceart288]

"People are very good at fucking around but not so good when it comes to the finding out" -- Theo, 2024

[@MegaSpideyman]

Did he really say that?

[@joesomebody3365]

@@MegaSpideyman He did, during the part where the guy threw the chair and broke the tv.

[@sociallyineptclownprincech8731]

The way Dev has to say “I know this is a bad take so you can eviscerate me if you want” or similar such things before making his bad take just shows how much of a lolcow he is. That is essentially him begging for it to happen.

[@ThePenAndTheRose]

Dude going digital doesn’t just “reduce” the cost of distribution games. It practically eliminates them. As a publisher steam for example takes 30% and you never pay to produce a single copy. You print new games for free 😗

[@otterfire4712]

You still have to pay for the hardware and software to program the games in your workspace. You also have to pay for the employment of staff who are programming the game.

[@Arphemius]

@@otterfire4712 Cost of "distribution".

[@max7971]

@@otterfire4712 l2r. It eliminates the cost of distribution, of course production still costs money.

[@LN997-i8x]

​@@otterfire4712Distribution and actual physical production were major budgetary items when publishing a game in the past. Hell, timing production and getting everything into place prior to launch was a huge logistical issue. Literally all of that is gone now.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

Distributing digital downloads still has a significant cost if you are doing it at large scales like Steam or GoG or any other store. It's not anywhere near the level of physical distribution but it's not cheap nor "eliminated". Steam still has to pay for servers/bandwith and content delivery services worldwide

[@Resijew]

Came for the Extra Credits, stayed for the Nintendo Shitcube review

[@halomont]

Remember when games were released complete and stable Pepperidge Farms remembers

[@JohnB-nj5io]

It's crazy. I put Pikmin 4 in my Switch and it didn't even update. Just booted.

[@Tomb_world]

This is really insidious, I get the impression that Extra credits and their history channel are more kid focused, due to the art style, intonation etc. so this almost feels like the gaming industry employed them as a primer for the next generation of gamers “oh actually, $100 for a game is completely justified”. It’s sickening man…

[@makhmal1776]

1. He never seems to bring up the fact that the sheer number of game developers, and therefore, games have increased dramatically compared to the early days of gaming. More competition among publishers and developers means lower prices for costumers. Also we should not forget the competition with social media. 2. since video games are considered a luxury and not a necessity, the increase in inflation hits the expected sale pf video games more than it would something like foods. So publishers know they can't increase the prices as much as they would want. (In economics they call this elasticity, meaning whether or not a raise in the product's price will result in more revenue) 3. The question of cost is irrelavant in a competetive market. Whether or not a game cost millions or not is not a concern of the costumers that are gonna decide if they want to spend their money on the game. People want quality and don't care about the production cost or time.

[@AfutureV]

What surprised me the most from both the video and EFAP, is the omission of free games. The very idea of a free videogame did not even exist until the internet, maybe an arcade somewhere let you play for free. Free games on console only happened wth the rise of console storefronts and the ability download games. Free games have to be a part of the equation, and they drastically cheapen the price of the average game.

[@makhmal1776]

​@@AfutureV Extra did not to my knowledge ever talk about the "average" price of games. He only talked about the "common" price of video games which is currently 70 and was 60 until 2020, but I may be wrong. Which if he had stated a few statistics, there wouldn't be this potential misunderstanding

[@Alex_Fahey]

I think this also completely ignores that games have divvied up their cost into barely obscured installment payments. The main game is just the first payment to access a low-feature beta with many modern games. There are several payments to come with season passes or semiannual or even more frequent DLC. For an example of a game from the 2000s, Total War Medieval 2 with all its DLC is 2 things. The game itself and the Kingdoms expansion. If we look at that same company's current flagship series, they are still charging roughly the same cost for each main game, and one of the large DLCs are roughly the cost of the kingdoms expansion. They are currently on their third Warhammer total war game, which is essentially an old school expansion pack but added into a super campaign across the games as well as a separate campaign for the release. Most people play this for the main campaign specifically, and it is the main selling point. To put that plainly, if you want the full game, you need to pay for every previous game and most of the various 5-20 USD pieces of DLC for the entire warhammer series. Even if we try to isolate these prices to each individual game. The first of the series is about 130 USD, the second was 170 USD, and the third is still in progress, but the current tally for third game specific prices is 160 USD.

[@mrshmuga9]

3) It also _shouldn't_ be the customers' concern. It's the whole "tip" culture mentality. If people need tips to make a fair wage, it's not my fault you signed up for that job, nor is it my job to run your business in a way that works for employees. How you allocate your money isn't my responsibility, I didn't sign up for it. Not to mention that games are the biggest entertainment medium on the planet. If you somehow can't make it profitable, that's on you. Although we all know they do, they'll boast about record profits (even accounting for inflation) and then whine it's too expensive, or they don't make "enough" and layoff because its all going to execs. Or that it's "risky" and "costs too much/takes too long" as if they HAVE to make ONLY $100M+ budget, 5 year AAA games or live services. As if they couldn't diversify their portfolio with smaller (likely still AAA) games to make modest profits in the interim. They have no place to complain when they try no other alternatives.

[@makhmal1776]

​@@Alex_Fahey extra does address that, briefly and at a surface level though, like anything else

[@TheSlammurai]

Dev, stop! Please! 😂

[@og4407]

Dev is trying to be the new doomer

[@customhydra66]

The Nintendo Shitcube is the only thing that brings me joy in life

[@The_child-catcher]

Dev loves two things, 1. The sound of his own voice 2. The taste of corporate boot

[@inquisitionagent9052]

*3 things 3. the feeling of the fence on his crack

[@jobreau1725]

Well that’s not fair at all! You forgot second dinner.

[@fancyelk2373]

His take on houses is so braindead

[@user-NameName]

He loves 1 about 5 times more than 2

[@TheStonewall117]

@@inquisitionagent9052THIS is 100% true.

[@enkiduthewildman]

4:24:30 The thing is Rags, it doesn't matter if i buy it or not. Most of us don't -- that's what the "10% of players generate 80% of sales" means. I can only not buy the game once. But a whale spending $240 on mtx bought the game 5 times over! We can't beat that.

[@revolversnake126]

A lot of great bits in this one. Spending an entire night writing the script really payed off.

[@jimjamjones09]

Extra credits wishes it could be as articulate as the pissed off gamer.

[@kotov6491]

Man, that Steve Shives reference stirred up a whole layer of memories I was not ready for

[@mrshmuga9]

Some time ago I was reminded of him and searched him up. He's apparently still going. Would not have expected that, although I don't recall if he's all that successful.

[@dustincieslik5397]

Pretty sure he cheated on his wife too lmao

[@MediumRareOpinions]

​@@dustincieslik5397 If true I can only say he's living up to expectations there.

[@dustincieslik5397]

Yeah he did and made a video about it as he filed for divorce admitted he cheated and still tried to make it his wife's fault

[@mrshmuga9]

@@dustincieslik5397 Lol, go figure “Mr. Male Feminist” is a dirtbag.

[@cobby407]

“I dIDn’T AsK fOr ThIs lIfE, I DidN’t CHOOSE tHiS LifE, yEt hErE I aM!”

[@InternetTAB]

Me coming across another video of things I like where SFO shows up...

[@trailduster6bt]

“Metroid Prime is one of the my favorite games” and “Super Metroid is mid” don’t go together. Metroid Prime is literally Super Metroid in 3D.

[@Phoenix0F8]

who has known the mind of Dev, and who has been his counselor

[@Adorni]

Yes and no. Functionally, it’s Super Metroid? But it’s done from a First Person PoV and _is_ in 3D, which means the game is going to feel different on some level. For some people, like Dev, they like the 3D one more, for whatever reason. Conversely, for others, they prefer the 2D one and feel like the newer one just doesn’t measure up. There’s also something to be said about the hype? If he played it after hearing everyone talk about it being the best game ever made, and he just thought it was okay, that’s going to be an issue, too.

[@trailduster6bt]

@@Adorni Yes, its an issue that he thought it was just okay. I completely agree.

[@321cheeseman]

Not really. Super Metroid and Metroid Prime are extremely different games, so it's no surprise for someone to enjoy one but not the other. Sure, they have similar structure, progression, and world design and the like, but the core gameplay stuff isn't even remotely similar. Super Metroid is a speedy and acrobatic platformer about movement above all else, while Metroid Prime is quite slow, low on platforming, and leans into combat much more. A faithful adaption of Super Metroid's gameplay to FPS would almost certainly have movement in the vein of games like Ultrakill, Titanfall 2, Neon White, Enchain, Ghostrunner, and so on, with high running speed, wall running and jumping, grappling, air dashing, etc.

[@GBDupree]

@@321cheeseman Another thing is that Super Metroid almost demands replays in order to truly appreciate it because its not strictly linear and knowledge of tricks or even just basic stuff from a first playthrough can radically change how you play. Prime is strictly linear outside of 2 moments where you can go to get 1 item or another, and in both cases you need both items to progress past either one anyways, so the decision is pointless. I don't really count extreme glitches, as unlike Super's, Prime's are very difficult and unnatural feeling, not to mention they are mostly removed in a lot of versions. Then the Artifact hunt is the only one that can be done comepletely out of order, only because its mostly left at the very end of the game after all other items have been grabbed. Super Metroid just has so much going for it that you might not realize without more experience with it, but Prime can be fully experienced in its first playthrough. It's unfortunate, but that isn't a slight on Prime which is still a top tier game, just an emphasis on why Super is so important even after all these years, and why Dev likely doesn't have any appreciation for it.

[@PeaceOrUtterDestruction]

One of the best EFAP conversations I’ve heard. Their tangents were much more interesting than the video. The video at the end was hilarious, a nice pallet cleanser.

[@PeaceOrUtterDestruction]

Heh, I meant palate. I’m gonna leave it.

[@25meip]

I remember buying a new copy of the Metroid Prime Trilogy for the Wii for $20 at Target, not knowing anything about Metroid. Not only was it 3 40-60 hr graphically updated games, redesigned to have one of the best control systems in the platform, on a physical disc, it came in a steel book with a huge full color manual.

[@mrq1]

Tangent heavy, intro takes an hour, absolutely cringe video, some wildfire hot takes, and Rags talking about yahtzees and dingus's. Yup, classic EFAP episode. 😂😂😂

[@nananamamana3591]

No no, this is a *special* efap because Muupler got to talk about sinner cinema, and big ol' jumbly wumblies and how he *first* earned the name *LOOOOONG* man. This is the most professional Efap yet!

[@levstepanov2892]

Dev ruined this episode, his shit takes and cope made it so hard to watch. And especially since there were more intresting guest that didnt get to talk.

[@saberknight2474]

My meme drawing of Baron Pissed-Off Harkonnen at 6:59:04. Glad to have just made the cut before the end of the stream.

[@joelvicente1052]

You made that? Do you have a twitter or something, it os really good, also you should probably mention to Mauler that he should credit you, I spent half an hour searching for the author

[@thebeetalls]

6:23:00 it's happened enough times now I think I can say with some confidence, nothing makes Mauler cackle with glee quite like watching a great big fat guy just... existing.

[@apocryphicdeath]

Ironic

[@darkpuppetlordful]

CSGo knives being hyper expensive digital code is literally a reason NFTs happened, hell they are only slightly above NFTs because you can use them in a game

[@darkpuppetlordful]

@Sterlingarcher365 I mean those at least have actual value, life long tickets are a massive value vs "the rainbow colored butterfly knife is 400$ despite the fact it functions the same as the stock knife"

[@stigmaoftherose]

I honestly hate the people who say Zelda TOTK was worth $70 for what was almost an asset flip of BOTW, which didn't cost us $70. They are allowing nintedo to dip their toe into the waters of greed just because they enjoyed TOTK. now if I personally had to put a price point on TOTK its at most $50, it is jot worth as much as a the game it uses most of the assests, world, physics, and engine of. And TOTK was the obviously them stepping over the line as now every new game got $70 regardless of the fact they sre much smaller in scope than TOTK was.

[@bailysawyer804]

The fact that one of his promises is that “we get to see thing we recognize” in order to get people through his video is really telling what he thinks about his audience

[@yaboiportch]

Dev nearly single-handedly whipped the rest of the EFAP panel into a lynch mob and into initating the Day of the Rake™ with his takes, they're that awful 😂

[@incandescentfloof9646]

Dev becomes new Doomer speedrun

[@Phoenix0F8]

Please, Jesus who I don't believe in, don't let these people invite Dev back to the show lol

[@mykr0324]

Cant believe noone mentioned manuals which came with blank pages for YOU to makes your own notes in. Fucking loved that shit back in the day. They presumed you'd be actually engrossed enough that they provided you space to note down strategies, draw maps, note down combos you'd figured out. Awesome

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Damn i unironically forgot

[@TheHalogen131]

Yeah, such a little thing. I personally almost never used it, but unironically it's the thought, that counts.

[@eowyn-faramir-reads]

Here from the "reject the long, embrace the wide " meme wolf posted on the highlight channel LMAOOOOO

[@shaecouture7480]

I was waiting for a "Don't dead open inside." Joke as soon as I saw the pill and was not disappointed.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*”DEID EWE NOU-“* It feels like they know their channel is dying, and they think they can save it only with more energy in their voice.

[@Dickinabox]

I’m surprised he didn’t say “this is my favorite part”

[@nananamamana3591]

They've been infected by both Fringy's goo, and Rag's uwu. There is no cure.

[@Agent789_0]

If they pretend it isn’t dying, then maybe it’ll get better.

[@HerohammerStudios]

​@@Agent789_0 ahh, the Doctor Who method

[@Dave_L913]

3:26:00 Good example of how Dev will take ANYTHING he hears from ANYONE at face value as true until someone else refutes it

[@KaNoMikoProductions]

FROM ANYONE! Or, you know, from his friend, someone he trusts. He also didn't take it at face value, it just made him wonder the scope.

[@zoulsgaming9455]

"I dont hold this perspective but that is an argument put forth by someone from the industry do you think it holds up" yeah thats totally taking it at face value. Dev was the only one not circle jerking "gaming corporations evil and bad and all gaming is bad" throughout the entire stream. even though multiple times they had a chance to add nuance they just didnt. such as rags hypocritically saying he has 2400 hours in apex but agrees that "live service model is bad" and admits to playing without having paid anything but doesnt make any mention that it was due to others buying skins that the game is still up and running. anyone who unironically says live service games are hated are out of their fucking mind because literally every top played game is a live service game, on steam RIGHT NOW the top 6 games are live service, 7 is wallpaper engine, 9 is stardew, and then we start to see a few more "fully done" games mixed in like bg3 and elden ring after.

[@pat_back]

Every year the market for games is the biggest it has ever been. Imagine telling developers in '99 that a game selling 3 million copies could be seen as a failure.

[@ryankeith2712]

Let’s go Patrican TV is back!

[@S4ns]

Extra Credits returns? But how? Dark tisms, little clown boying, secrets only the Time Spiders know ...

[@Mr.Ian_20XX]

Criminal underuse of my sweet baby boy Weekend Warrior

[@mrminecraftcubeable]

Too many people 😢

[@user-NameName]

That's because dev spoke for 40% of the episode

[@TheStonewall117]

Fuck, I just started the video and I was hoping he would get more time later on.

[@stevesamuals2651]

I don't know who it was that said odyssey is mid and super Metroid is bad, but i imagine a sniper red dot coming out from the chat on them, with a finger going on and off the trigger as they try and backpedal

[@shaecouture7480]

Fringy saying "Look we got an extra credits video to get through alright?" Was him saying "We'll deal with you later, just gotta dig a hole"

[@daeamiralis]

Love that Pat has become a recurring guest

[@TheKpa11]

Rayman: Arms are for nerds. You just gotta catch these 🙌

[@jaypayne4744]

Another reason game prices varied so much back in the day is because the boards in the cartridges could have added ram and other components that would jack up the price. It’s why games like FF VI and Chrono Trigger were upwards of $100 bucks on release.

[@CruelestChris]

Yeah, when Nintendo wasn't sure about the US market with the NES they pulled the battery-powered RAM chips out of them and just had you type in game code to make the save file that would have been on the chip in Japan.

[@camolotthe42]

Ironically, in the modern day, the Kinect actually has found a niche and a consistent use case: as a device to give VR setups full body tracking solutions. And it's pretty damn good at it, too.

[@SideBurns]

Dev must of got Wing’s mail by mistake…

[@ingrowsmith5148]

Also, "profit margins". Like with Disney, where 300 million budgets are outperformed by Godzilla Minus One? And the film bombs, so no profit and no tax, cause there was no revenue generated. However SOMEONE gets 300 million, and the (hopefully) 300 coming in is NOT TAXED since the original product "cost" so much? So effectively the "entity" that made the product earned 300 mil UNTAXED. We talking these margins?

[@marcogenovesi8570]

that's not how taxes work. All worker wages are taxed regardless (and that's a big expense in those 300M), and all items and services purchased and expended during production are expended so taxed or not that's still money gone.

[@Blizz3112]

Fence-sitter Dev strikes again :-P

[@Deniryer]

He always tries the same argument i.e Side Scrollers podcast where in com section I've used same and few more arguments why they actually should be cheaper not more expensive and even explained why they're so expensive to begin with...And always end up being oblitered by hosts, guest, chat and comment section :v

[@mrshmuga9]

Playing Devil's Advocate is important, especially when the videos usually have poor or hollow arguments (or none and just assert). I'm more annoyed that he'll start sidetracking too long and maling it about himself. Sure, everyone should get a minute to speak, but don't make yourself the focus of the discussion. I think at one point Mauler or Rags said "we should get back to the video" because it ead like a 10min tangent and tehy werent thst far into the video. He does this on every podcast appearance I've seen. Explanations can be good but every intro has him go on and on when it's not necessary (yet or at all) or could be summarized better. We don't need the inside baseball from the start. Like (Sitch &) Adam says, "Let's get to the video already!!"

[@SatanLiterally]

​@@mrshmuga9he doesn't play devil's advocate, he plays devil's idiot.

[@SatanLiterally]

Dev plays devil's idiot, not advocate.

[@LN997-i8x]

​@@mrshmuga9He's also almost always basing his tangents on information that's incorrect but just obscure or specific enough that no one can call him on it right out of the gate. Like the CAD and USD being "on par" in the 90's.

[@HelicaseHobo]

Dev has consistently been the worst part of any podcast or group, or anything he's ever been associated with, and that includes his own channel.

[@mojorn8837]

Amen

[@baddragonite]

I'm just remembering that time Activision released the Crash Team Racing remaster then waitied for all the good will and reviews to be in before they added all the micro transactions

[@mohamedbelkacem9889]

Yeah, caddicarus talked about it

[@MikeE_wf]

the talk about monetization and how things are getting worse has been depressing. it's sad because people have accepted live service without realizing why live service is bad.

[@Willie_Pete_Was_Here]

The legacy of this Extra Credits video is the EFAP discussion on games

[@mscup8814]

The old High-Pitch-Guy moved to a new channel a while back, called New Frame Plus. It's actually pretty incredible; it's a game animator who's worked in the industry pointing out neat animation tricks and stuff in games. Glad he's doing well for himself.

[@Cats-TM]

3:47:10 One of my favourite examples of this is Portal. Like, that game will never look bad because 1) the artstyle is incredibly simplistic, and 2) the lighting is really good.

[@jpdominator]

Games should not cost more. The number of video games has increased as well as their availability. Nobody would be buying games if they were $175 each.

[@casbyness]

There's a much more fundamental aspect of all the game-related issues the EFAP crew discuss during this video. Beneath the rampant greed and profiteering, what really annoys and depresses me is the way that across the western world, in all aspects of daily life, governments, media and private companies are constantly trying to manipulate the irrrational and 'sub-sapient' elements of human psychology. The social psychologists and their 'nudge committees' have been given free reign to treat people like cattle to be tricked, instead of humans to be reasoned with. What's happened with video games is just one small symptom of this much larger problem. It's like discovering that people are 30% more likely to buy a video game if the box cover is yellow, simply due to instinctive and animalistc psychology, therefore suddenly all games have yellow box covers and publishers spend 25% less money on effort aimed at actually making the games good, generating a net 5% increase in profits. This sort of thing sickens me, especially when I see other people constantly falling for such tactics. It's like back around 2012 we learned how to 'hack' people's brains, and without any regard for morality just decided to surge ahead taking full advantage of this knowledge.

[@Phoenix0F8]

Behaviorism as a science is just so creepy and at the very least borders on morally evil the deeper you dig into it.

[@MalcolmPines]

About Blizzard's once strong reputation: Activision Blizzard used to have a standing policy within the studio regarding profit requirements for a project to stay alive. That being: "Excess is not a concern. If it makes enough to stay afloat, it's allowed to continue." Due to this, most Blizzard projects felt sgnificantly less pressure from Publishing to make their games and updates a profit point; the only thing a project needed was to not bankrupt itself. This resulted in much more passion-driven developer decisions, as they both accepted less inherent risk in the endeavor, as well as weren't told no altogether. Might sound suboptimal, but what resulted was the reputation and favor Blizzard -used- to have. However, when Tencent acquired Activision (about year or too after Overwatch's release, iirc) they scrapped this old philosophy and put forth profit quotas onto Blizzard projects. Monetary decisions based on this, combined with other controversies they found themselves in after, tarnished Blizzard's once good reputation. I feel the need to mention this as it represents a common pitfall that the industry as a whole tends fall into. Firstly, that everything needs to make the MOST money. Not just a profit, not just a large profit, but it -needs- to hit absolutely viral level of popularity and ROI. This is an obviously unrealistic and unhealthy expectation, and not at all unique to the Video Games industry. Secondly, that game studios, especially smaller ones, can -still- do this. After all, Blizzard earned theirs after about a Decade and half of consistent quality. This often times even led to them turning a legitimate profit and making a cultural impact, as with StarCraft, Warcraft, WOW, Diablo, and OW... At least on release. It stands to serve that many other acquired companies could benefit from a similar opportunity. Take Microsoft and their acquisitions as an example. They bought studios that've seen relative success. Had they selected those with further ambitions, give them a clean development environment, and let them produce in a low-pressure, low risk environment, they would have almost a dozen studios that could potentially supply the game pass, walking, falling and picking themselves back up by their own merit, and eventually growing to become the next potential Former-Blizzard of gaming. But alas, Microsoft simply shut down the studios right after getting them. And in this age of predatory profits, studios may never have this chance again.