Efreet and YMS-08, the impact of Gundam Unicorn’s ending, Hario explained + others (Gundam lore Q/A)

A new special edition of Universal Century history and technological lore, this time, a long awaited Q/A for our 3 years anniversary!
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00:00:00 Intro
00:02:17 Efreet and YMS-08
00:04:13 The impact of Gundam Unicorn's ending
00:06:47 Personal wants for Late UC
00:07:40 About the Hario + Zeta Zaku Cannons
00:09:57 Zorin Soul in F90FF
00:11:33 Personal designs + Rigor Gundam
00:15:04 Another channel for real-life vehicles
00:15:58 My stance on non-UC designs
00:17:03 Best transformable MS WITHOUT moveable frame
00:19:47 Dovenwolf VS Silver Bullet
00:21:57 Pegasus class in Cucuruz Doan Island
00:23:39 Can OYW suits be modified with a moveable frame
00:25:54 Why V Gundam is my favorite
00:30:48 Short timeline of the Zanscare War
00:32:20 How the actions of Char created Full Frontal
00:34:36 Favorite TR-6's variant
00:35:48 About this Zaku from Crossbone Dust
00:36:35 Covering the Crossbone Gundams
00:37:10 About the Rhinoceros MA
00:40:08 Is F90FF a good manga
00:44:08 TR Plan and Gundam Mk V connections
00:46:07 Quality of Jupiter Empire designs
00:49:40 Zaku predominance amongst Zeon Remnants
00:52:50 First MS that got me into Gundam
00:57:12 Gouf Flight Types in Thunderbolt
00:59:03 Credits + spoiler for next video
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[@miguelm5074]

Dam cant believe its been 3 years i remember watching tey first video and waiting whay would come next

[@NeoXNeo2007]

Congratulations to you Gundam Facts for how far you came as a KZbinr thank you so much for everything equally all of the amazing videos you did 1. I was expecting two of my questions to be there so it’s cool as hell

[@gundamfacts]

@@NeoXNeo2007 yeah I just noticed two of them were by you!

[@korbinservergundam]

Honestly considering for the longest time that I thought late universal century actually was an alternate time line I don't think the idea of that being the case is so bad but even if it isn't , the ending of unicorn is probably one of my favorites because it's a hopeful display of the possibilities of the future.

[@gtf234]

Honestly, I didn't even know this was a common train of thought. I am not really sure how one would think Unicorn's conclusion averts much of anything in Late UC. If anything Unicorn's ending clearly paves the way for those things as part of the ending was the Federation declaring it would be scaling back its military spending and shrinking its presence in space.... Mars Zeon/Oldsmobile Army were always framed as their own offshoot of Zeonic holdouts who largely would not care about anything related to Unicorn's events and are just doing their own thing (and AOZ basically has 4 or so different 'incarnations' of Mars Zeon in the collective UC lore since "Mars Zeon" is constantly changing hands on what old-guard Zeon loyalists are in charge, plus all the Titans remnants they take in and separatists who frankly want little to do with the Zeon name and image and instead want Mars to do its own thing) , and all the other relevant factions had nothing to do with anything Zeon-adjacent, such as Cosmo Babylon and the Jupiter Empire. Zanscare formed as a religious cult/peasant uprising in a completely different Side than Zeon and was backed by Jovian money. The Laplace Box Incident largely putting the original Zeonic Republic issues to bed wouldn't really impact any of those events nor does it halt the economic decline of Earth that results in the Federation cutting so many costs that they're are unable to maintain a contemporary military presence out in space to prevent rich assholes from uncontested empire building; they were repeatedly stretching MS design and upgrades for decades past due, like both the Jegan and Javelin were dragged out into 30 years of service.

[@korbinservergundam]

@gtf234 Because unicorn's ending isn't about any of those factions and because you know it Isn't supposed to reckon Their existence either. And yes , it does have an impact on all of those events defeating the sleeves who were the most organized of the remnants of Zeon and who still had solid connections to anaheim electronics. The sleeves were managing to organize attacks both on earth and in space by eliminating them those "military holdouts" were just that hold outs.They weren't an organized faction, all working together. As for the rest of The non Zeon factions those weren't a thing until the late universal century And they were developed heavily in secret so there wouldn't have been much of a way to prevent them from becoming a problem during the era of unicorn. The Laplace incident was purely about stopping the sleeves and full frontal, as well as looking into the future far beyond V Gundam or G Savior. And? Them shrinking heir budget and military presence also provided them with a longer stint of peace in space. A lot of the early wars that happened in early universal century were caused by the earth's federations military expansionism.

[@TheTrueAdept]

@@gtf234 The Thing is, the Earth Federation was destined to follow Late UC no matter what. It won't and can't change for the better, only for the worse. The last chance the Earth Federation had of changing for the better was when the Solar Array blasted Revil. After that, it's the phrase that is common across Russian history: It. Got. Worse.

[@gtf234]

@@korbinservergundam All why I'm saying I never knew people thought Unicorn somehow retcons or makes the Late UC events impossible. Nothing about how Unicorn ends materially interacts with them or changes the stage to make them unable to happen.

[@korbinservergundam]

@gtf234 Fair enough. Although the idea of having two separate universes are one ends in a much more positive way with that of unicorn doesn't bother me And I think would be an interesting idea to explore a Different version of the universal century.

[@fergusabrams1012]

I'm honored my question got used in this. Love your videos and I look forward to the future of the channel.

[@gundamfacts]

@@fergusabrams1012 thanks! Glad for the everlasting support !

[@DMDave86]

Congrats on 3 years, and for enduring the hardships you were faced with along the way! I remember you asking people on Instagram for ms to cover, and being both surprised and happy that you covered one of my fave one year war suits-Gundam Mudrock. :) Here’s to many more years of you doing your thing here-theres so many more rabbit holes to jump down, I’m sure running out of content to cover won’t be an issue.

[@gundamfacts]

@@DMDave86 oh God, this bring me far in the past. Yeah the days of the daily facts on IG were definitely a cool era, but i dont regret moving to YT

[@Solidcambo]

Am i the only one who wants more animated side stories from the one year war

[@blank5298]

Thank you for making awesome content for 3 years🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@gundamfacts]

@@blank5298 thank you for watching it !

[@NeroVingian40]

Hey, my question is in there! Thank you for your time, man, always loved your videos.

[@gundamfacts]

@@NeroVingian40 it is indeed there!

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@Gundam Facts At last!!! ❤❤ Finally a dedicated video about EFREET mobiie suit line. I'm very grateful that you finally decided to dedicate your talent about this super mobile suit I highly respect and adore. We already talked about it briefly in comments, but this is the coronation of all that was said about one constant that defied the odds against a Gundam, the EFREET! Thank you Gundam Facts! Keep up the great work Sir!👏👍👍👍

[@gundamfacts]

@@StefanBlagojevic well I hope you weren't disappointed because the Efreet part was quite short

[@StefanBlagojevic]

@@gundamfacts At least there was someone talking about it for once, even if it was brief, hopefully some day your schedule will allow a nice mini-documentary of the Efreet MS. No matter what I type in search there just isn't enough video material online talking about this mobile suit, so I watch other people's playthrough with Efreet Nacht... oh well, one can only hope 😉 Kind regards!

[@comicmoniker]

A fellow Efreet lover! I first came across it while trawling the mechanical design section of the Gundam wiki and have always been sad there isn't more information out there about it. To me it's basically a cooler Gouf (sorry Ramba Ral)

[@camarojayrod7093]

You're cool, Marco, and I like your videos alot. Keep on keepin on, brother.

[@gundamfacts]

@@camarojayrod7093 thank brother. It's been an honor

[@IRJOE5]

Congratulations on reaching 5000! I have enjoyed your videos from the first one I came across. Can't remember what that one was... but I have enjoyed each video since!

[@gundamfacts]

@@IRJOE5 as long as the content continues pleasing you I hope!

[@comicmoniker]

I've been thinking about my own ideas for a fan novel set in between Stardust Memory and Zeta, so I really enjoyed hearing about the Rigor Gundam! Late UC is not an era I'm very familiar with, but I love designs that tell a story like you described EDIT: wait, you're French?? Forgive my American ignorance but as long as I've been watching your videos I've thought you were German or maybe from the Benelux countries. My bad! 😅

[@anthonywalker6268]

I always thought the ending of unicorn actually made things worse. Laying the ground work for the separatism of the other sides.

[@imran_696]

I haven’t even watched this, but it’s instant like :) can’t wait:)

[@GundamVet]

Thanks for answering my question concerning the length of the Zanscare War. Great content as always!

[@gundamfacts]

@@GundamVet thank you for always being there!

[@nexus-sentinel252]

Thanks for answer my question 19:48 Your channel is pretty awesome my friend, I hope you can keep bring us more Lore from the U.C. timeline

[@gundamfacts]

@@nexus-sentinel252 thanks again for the support! It's invaluable for the channel continuing

[@LeoMtz-ni2lb]

This boutta be insane

[@ZeonicFenrir]

Congratulations! I know I sometimes nitpick on some points of your videos, but I really enjoy your content, and have come to like so much more about late U.C. thanks to your videos! I really need to point this out though: are you sure the Silver Bullet can fire the shield Mega Launcher with the same power as the Doven Wolf? I believe the important part of connecting the gun to its torso wasn't so much connecting it to the toros beam cannons, but rather directly connecting it to the MS main reactor, which the Silver Bullet wouldn't be able to. We see this best exemplified with the Gaza series, whose knuckle buster weapons have high output thanks to being linked directly to the MS torso, while the Gazowmn has a lower output (but higher fire rate) version that uses e-pac instead. Furthermore, in the Unicorn OVAs the Gallus K is specifically said to sue the Gazowmn's knuckle buster as fixed beam cannon, which seems to be another high output, low fire rate weapon. The Zaku III's unused mega launcher, which the wikia has an image of incorrectly marked as a generic "bazooka",would also be meant to be plugged into the torso of the Zaku, in a similar position as a Gaza knuckle buster, so this again reinforces the idea that a key mechanic here is the ability to connect the weapon directly to the MS reactor. The wikia has an image of 3 Silver Bullets firing a set of Jean beam rifles and shield rifles, making the later look far more powerful, but I don't think these are meant to be 40 MW beams, but rather just the 12.5 MW standard version of the weapon, which would still look far more powerful compared to a Jegan's puny beam rifle, which IIRC we don't have an actual MW figure for, but the description indicates that it has lower output than the GM III's 2.8MW rifle, though again in exchange of a higher rate of fire. Based on the above, I'm confident to say that the Doven Wolf is the better design of the two, though it in itself is only surpassed by the AMX-014R Rebel Wolf simply due to its modularity allowing it to be highly customizable for each pilots preferences and capabilities. Thanks for you answer on the Hario, though I'm not quite sold on it, though being fair I know even less about the Lombardia. It just seems weird that given how the Titans appropriated every good piece of EF equipment (example: the Barzam), they would let the EF keep a better version of their Alexandria battleship. I do like the explanation for the Zaku Cannons, specially because using Hizack frames for these units, the Zaku Marien types and Gouf Flight types does overcome the issues of these units having very short production runs during the OYW, thus justifying more units being around. I should point out that the Titans also used the Zaku Cannon, as seen from the one unit fighting alongside Hizacks & Barzams at Kilimanjaro. Only wish we had gotten some more info on how this ground unit with thrusters only on its legs (which I will keep pointing out seem based on the YMS-09 leg thrusters) could operate in space without even backpack thrusters. The Target In Sight & 0081 version did replaced the attachment point for the big guns with a small thruster unit, but that's about the only example that comes to mind on how it could possibly work. I was hoping to that the MSM-02 Aqua/Hydro was somehow connected to the YMS-08 and/or MS-08TX, given its peculiar head and Zaku like body, unlike the skinny Zudah & Gyan frame or the bulkier Zimmad designs like the Gogg & Dom. I do vaguely recall form the mechatalk forums comments on neither of these machines being from Zimmad though, but rather designs that the Zeon ground forces came up due to the problems of the MS-06J and the need for better MS. Personally, I would have much preferred for the YMS-08 and/or MS-08TX series to be MIP designs, specially after seeing how with the YMSM-04 Zeryon MIP do was trying to compete in the MS department from earlier on. Essentially the MS-07 series would be Zeonic's attempt to fix the Zakus low mobility problem, while the MS-09 series would be Zimmad's, leaving the YMS-08 and/or MS-08TX as Zimmad's proposal to address the issue. I do agree that the MS-08TX doesn't seem based on the YMS-08, specially given the omission of jet leg thrusters, which made the YMS-08 better than the YMS-07, leading the rest of the MS-07 series to adopt the feature. Lots of other interesting things in this video I want to discuss, but I'll have to cut this comment short, I will try to make another one touching on other topics later on.

[@stephenemery8831]

@Gundam_Facts, thank you! thank you for all your wonderful content!

[@gundamfacts]

@@stephenemery8831 thanks you Robo for being always there!

[@spikmaster18]

Thanks for your take on F90FF, I wholly agree with your opinion that its good addition to late UC yet still had flaws ❤

[@gundamfacts]

@@spikmaster18 yeah F90FF is very particular, mainly because it is ambitious, complex, lacks compelling characters aside the trio Patsy/Dill/Gideon (and Haunzeri), and spam Easter eggs at every turn...which is the exact opposite of F90 which was a simple linear manga with some nods here and there and amazing characters

[@spikmaster18]

38:26 I've played the Side Story remake on PS3, and boy they coose the Rhinoceros Type B as a boss fight, if the story are finalized then it can be concluded that the White Dingos are failed to stop the train.

[@stormtrippn3402]

Hey that's me!! 53:03

[@gundamfacts]

@@stormtrippn3402 it is you!

[@christianrobledo5627]

Here's to another 5k subscribers!!!!!

[@gundamfacts]

@@christianrobledo5627 and many more!

[@DIEGhostfish]

I really like the Zoloat, and LOVE the Zolaot cannon, but I don't really like most other Zanscare suits. I liked the whole Zanscare War having Jovian backing.

[@NeoXNeo2007]

I already said a question before, but can I say two more? 1: will you ever make a video about the RF MS From Mars Zeon Independence Army 2: will you ever be doing more videos like this? I like them a whole lot

[@gundamfacts]

@@NeoXNeo2007 yes to both questions but I might not make another 1h Q/A for a looooong time.

[@DIEGhostfish]

9:30 For some reason I'd thought the Zaku Cannons were on the Jupitris, some sort of mobile turrets or something. I got that wrong!

[@gilbat1]

Thanks for answering my question! From the sources I've seen, the Efreet tends to be listed as a product of the California base without any direct involvement from either Zeonic or Zimmad. My assumption was that after Zeonic had finished looking over the YMS-08 and gotten what they needed out of it the remaining prototypes eventually wound up at the California Base, where the base's engineering teams started poking around with them and eventually ended up developing the Efreet (either by heavily modifying and overhauling the existing YMS-08 units, or using them as a starting point for new-production MS that were built onsite). That being said, I don't know how well the timeline on that works out, and your explanation also makes a lot of sense. Some miscellaneous thoughts about a few of the other questions: 1) This may be a controversial opinion, but I think Unicorn and NT should be taken as their own parallel version of UC similar to The Origin or Thunderbolt rather than part of the main timeline. My main reason for this is that I dislike how the reveal of Laplace's Box retroactively rewrites the arc of the Universal Century. I'm of the opinion that Tomino's core version of the timeline (0079, Z, ZZ, CCA, Hathaway, F91, and Victory) is a story of social decline and political tragedy. That the Earth Federation starts off as at least light grey (certainly not entirely benevolent, but still having good qualities), but due to the trauma of the One Year War and the stresses of several decades of continuous conflicts it steadily becomes further subsumed by corruption and hardliner extremists until you get to Victory where the Federation is basically just an empty husk. An anti-war story where the message is that war isn't just destructive and corrosive on a personal level, but on a national level as well: War doesn't just destroy people, it destroys societies. The idea presented by Laplace's Box, that the Federation was always just as corrupt and malicious as it's shown to be in later works like CCA and Hathaway, is to me a much flatter and less interesting story. It also reeks of Zeon fanboys trying to whitewash the setting's all but literal space Nazis and going "See? We were the real good guys the whole time!", which I find really slimy. 2) Regarding the non-UC series, I can definitely understand not being into them. For the fans who like digging into the obscure details and side materials, the "one and done" mentality a lot of them are produced under isn't going to be very appealing. The closest any of them get to that level of depth is CE, and even that gets blown out of the water by the leviathan that is UC. And that's before we get into the often wildly different tones and aesthetics they go with that can be off-putting to someone that prefers the style of UC. All that being said, I do think they're ultimately necessary for the continuation of Gundam as a whole. As much as I like UC stuff, Sunrise can't just keep milking the 0079-0093 era over and over again without it eventually becoming stale.

[@jude0985]

for me 2010 was when I saw my first Gundam show that was Gundam 00 n the part that got me hook was the GN Drive

[@derekwilson7990]

Wasn’t a gelgoog in zeta retrofitted with a Nemo frame? I always thought they basically just put the armor leftover from the gelgoog on the Nemo frame? I know the gelgoog was supposed to be super easy to work on according to return of Johnny ridden and super customizable so maybe it’s an outlier. Would love a deep dive on the gelgoog especially after your video on the high mobility zaku. Congrats again love the channel can’t wait to see more

[@gundamfacts]

Well yeah, but in MSV-R most of the modifiications they do post war aren't a change of generation/moveable frame. They changed the armor material, carburant use systems and some other stuff for Uma Gelgoog and others, but it was more change of external armor parts and some internal parts than a complete overahaul of the "bone" structure

[@imran_696]

I totally agree with you about a people how wants crossbone anime. They definitely not read manga. How about make a video about it? It’s pros and cons? Again people how did read it will love it and maybe add something from themself. Even I can say a lot about it, how much potential was thrown into toilet :)) and people how didn’t read may change they opinion about it and finally read it :))

[@leoornstein3963]

The Phantom development history video is looming in the background…

[@gundamfacts]

Phantom my beloved

[@ParaPhorn]

I know you touched on them a bit in this video but would you ever consider making a whole video on the entire TR plan?

[@gundamfacts]

@@ParaPhorn I mean I will probably have to do it in the future but it will need to be divided across multiple videos

[@quattrobajeena6484]

perhaps I misunderstand but wouldn't swapping out the frame of a first generation mobile suit for a moveable frame be somewhat pointless anyway? since all the mobile suit's systems are contained within a movable frame you'd basically have to make an entirely new mobile suit to fit the shell of the original MS.

[@Swindle1984]

The Lombardia was rejected for mass production/adoption, but at least one ship of the class was built, with the namesake ship being used by the Titans for MS testing since it had larger, better MS maintenance hangers than an Alexandria, even if it was severely lacking in the firepower department. It was pressed into combat service during the final battle of the Gryps War, but it's unknown if it survived. The single ship seen in the late UC manga may very well be the Lombardia itself, assuming it survived the battle, since we know the Earth Federation mothballed all Titans ships and mobile suits rather than use them, even during the Neo Zeon War, and they were only dug out and refitted decades later when the stigma surrounding the Titans had gone away. The mass-produced Alexandria-class was treated the same way, an excellent heavy cruiser that was mothballed for decades, then refitted, upgraded, and pushed into service in the late UC. The Hario is a commander-use variant of the Alexandria, with better sensors, communications, and more defenses for the enlarged bridge. It was a more recent variant of the Alexandria produced during or just prior to the Gryps War, so only a handful were built. As for why it had Zaku Cannons modified for space use, the EFSF and Titans were both producing and experimenting with Zeon OYW designs to develop their own MS, so likely these Zaku Cannons were being used to acquire data for the development of the Hizack Cannon and similar MS. Much like we saw the EFSF using MS-11 Act Zakus (which were studied during development of the Hizack and its beam rifle copied and modified for the Hizaxk) and Gouf Flight Types (from which the Titans acquired data that helped them during the development of the Byarlant). A commander-type ship, with its improved sensors, comms, and coordination capabilities would be ideal for testing MS and gathering data. The Alexandria was partly based on the Musai-class light cruiser and the Pegasus-class carrier, but wasn't a OYW design, it first entered service in 0083 along with the rollout version of the GM Quell. The EFSF did make use of a limited number of Alexandria heavy cruisers, but the majority of production went to the Titans since they were the "elite" branch of the military and had the biggest budget, while the EFSF got the leftovers. Hence why during Z Gundam we only see the EFSF fielding a handful of new units, while mostly using GM II's, Hizacks, and OYW designs like the Act Zaku. They only made limited use of the Galbaldy, only assigning them to Luna II and ships operating from there. The Titans, meanwhile, played around like kids in a candy shop and had all kinds of expensive, limited production, experimental MS like the Gabthley, Hamrabi, Marasai, etc. A LOT of Gryps War-era EFSF and Titans MS were based on OYW Zeon prototypes or just outright copied from them, much like many countries after WW2 copied Nazi planes, tanks, and small arms. The Hizack is based on data from the MS-06F Zaku II, MS-06FZ Zaku II Kai, and MS-11 Act Zaku, combined with tech from the RGM-79 GM, the Galbaldy B is developed from the prototype Galbaldy A (itself a copy of the Gelgoog using parts from the Gyan so Zimmad could produce it as a second standard MS), the Xeku Eins was built from Zeon blueprints captured on Pezun, the various Zaku Mariner/Marine Hizack variants were developed from the Zaku Marine, and the EFSF and Titans just outright built a bunch of MS-11 Act Zakus, Gouf Flight Types, Zaku Cannons, etc. More than Zeon did during the OYW, in fact. We even see in 0083 that the EFSF is testing various captured Zeon MS, including the Zaku II and Gelgoog Marine, years after the OYW ended and these designs would be considered "obsolete". Hell, the Rick Dias was based on the Dowas, the final production version of the Rick Dom from the OYW. And not only did we see that the Juaggu is still a formidable design in UC 0096, it's even stated that more replicas of the Juaggu were produced after the OYW than there were originals during the OYW; we just never are told WHO was making these replicas. While it's stated that hobbyists and collectors build their own copies of various MS for personal use (hence the Hobby Hizack), it makes more sense that the EFSF would be building more Zeon MS to test and experiment with for their own MS development projects.

[@gundamfacts]

Only problem is that we know that the Lombardia was limited produced according to Dust. Aside their many Neo Alexandrias, Cyclops has ONE intact Lombardia, but also a ton of Lombardia upper hulls strapped to Colombus class twin hangars. You can see at least two of them in the video and in other frames i didn't put in the video

[@MaxHDAvenger]

Bulky Gundam got me there but flaws is understandable.

[@davegravel882]

Hmm not much on the efreet!!! Dommage le cousin Français moi je suis du Québec mais j'apprécie Gundam fact et énormément continue sur cette voie et bon troisième anniversaire !!!

[@gundamfacts]

@@davegravel882 le Quebec! Très surprenant

[@newageheretic]

In zeta the put gelgood armor parts on Nemo iirc

[@ZeonicFenrir]

The Marasai, Hyuaku Shiki and Nemo likely don't have a proper movable frame based on the Mk II's data, given the timing of their development: the window for AE to get the actual data and implement it on those MS is too short. In fact, don't forget that the lack of such technology is the main reason that the Delta Gundam got downgraded into the Hyaku Shiki instead. Also, I don't think that replacing the external armor of the Gelgoog was the problem, but rather the internal components, which is why the Nemo, a machine made by AE, in other words ex-Zeon engineers, was the most suitable and cheap MS to use parts from, instead of an EF GM II.

[@saikoyuy6891]

I have a question, What happened to the original Argama after it was handed over to Karaba.

[@stephenemery8831]

First comment!!

[@scottbaase4042]

Second!!!

[@gangagod900]

Third

[@DIEGhostfish]

Not even a fan of X? It's a great worst-case-scenario what if escalation of UC.

[@korbinservergundam]

trun a is absolutely NOT UC Century. It is also an absolute disgrace to the gundam franchise.

[@battleship5555]

I respectfully disagree but that’s just me

[@korbinservergundam]

@@battleship5555 You're wrong

[@thatonequeergundamfan71]

Might aswell explain why

[@korbinservergundam]

@thatonequeergundamfan71 Are you kidding me. The flaws don't stop. The designs are all absolutely atrocious and plain ugly, and none of them look anything like actual mobile suits or a gundam. The story makes absolutely no sense, and the characters are all about as interesting as a wet paper bag. I'll give them credit that at least the idea of a destroyed world with advanced technology trying to rebuild is cool, but they botched it, and they did it infinitely better with MS Saga and iron blooded orphanes.

[@thatonequeergundamfan71]

​@@korbinservergundamannnnnnd of course an ibo fan would say a bad take Almost as if every ibo fan is built to say something stupid.