EL NINO vs. JEFFRO// Space City Classic 2021 // MAIN CAMERA // TOP 8 BBOY

[@ShoesMagoo]

Curious to know exactly what the thought process for Flea, Ronnie, and Jon was. Nino has no toprock to speak of, but super clean power to footwork flow as always, and of course power heavy with less footwork. Jeff was a beat monster with everything, more of a unique freestyle rather than any kind of sets, with massively impressive movement and control, and blazing fast at that. Even though his last set didn't have the energy of the first two, it was still clean and top notch. Hard to see the decision going to Nino here even with his rounds being as good as they were.

[@kamau506]

check the faces of the judges during rounds to see who they feel. If it don't match up to who they pick its politics

[@chojiakimichi2587]

It's interesting to think about what exactly set off Jeffro in the first place. Losses happen all the time in breaking, so I'm sure he's used to this happening, so what set this apart? The day before, he told El Nino he needed new moves if he wanted to win, implying that he probably thinks he has a better range of moves. On top of this he has more flava and rides the beat better (my opinion but I think y'all can probably agree). Seems to me like he clearly thinks he's better based on this. Even so, El Nino told him he didn't find him a threat during this segment, and went on to beat him. Losing after a direct and public squabble like this probably made him feel more emasculated than usual, so this is what I suspect made it worse than a usual loss and pushed him to call the judges out. What do y'all think it was? Also I don't really blame him for calling out the judges in the sense that there have been so many judge callouts in the scene I can't even count. Being exposed to this for years definitely normalizes it as something that's okay, so people are bound to repeat what they see. I didn't even really question it until hearing the discussion by Havikoro and also Flea Rock. Which is why it's important that they're opening up the dialogue. Definitely opened my eyes about the ideal way to do call-outs.

[@MGradowskiTrip]

Oh, can we see the video of the discussion somewhere?

[@chojiakimichi2587]

@@MGradowskiTrip apologies for not getting back, it can be found here at 24:40 kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3vbq5Kjhb2Dj8U

[@MGradowskiTrip]

@@chojiakimichi2587 thank you :)

[@dillwill1813]

Play at .75x and tell me it was a close battle. Beats sound kinda nice too.

[@bboycan7591]

IMO it could’ve gone either way. I think we can all agree that Jeffro got the 2nd round and El Niño got the 3rd. The 1st round was the tossup, and who you thought won is dependent on your values of what you like as a bboy/bgirl. Big up to both dancers. And big big up to Break Free for throwing a fire event! 🔥

[@Noisyego]

I know this situation with call out, but for me El Nino won. he got more completed sets.

[@aminerahmani7899]

last song please

[@break2teach569]

What's the last song?

[@CAMELAO-ft8qm]

was this the reason jeff called out the judges???

[@jayfrank6959]

The zeku vs victor battle was the illest in my response. But ye I could see how jeffro was upset. He was over all original coming up with fresh moves. El finished strong but that shouldn't matter in my opinion. Overall from start to finish I would of voted for Jeff.

[@janthony_846]

Classic BBoy flava vs speed and blowups// I feel it was a very close battle until the end of the third round where Jeffro got heavy and sloppy bs pookies clean finish. I can understand why he would be upset but he could’ve went about it a different way after the battle in a cypher or some thing

[@agentjackbauer88]

Agreed.

[@Heyitdave]

great battle! fk the drama!

[@Angelo-fh7hw]

So many judges in the comment section lmao

[@wizdomtrust1596]

Most of them don't even break.

[@carlurbananimals]

RAD should be acknowledged, anyone who says otherwise are trippin on themselves, (amongst healthy currents, all boats move).

[@scalabrine670]

El nino: Round 1 and 3 Jeffro: Round 2 IMO

[@segzeeman7356]

I think Jeffro won the first two rounds. His mistake was in thinking that he had it in the bag and relaxing too much on his last round. You were battling El Niño, who’s no slouch and had some of his friends judging, you should have finished him Jeffro, not underestimate him. I think we won’t see El Niño winning any big comps anymore in the future, but we’ll see Jeffro win. Look at Zebulon. How many years of work has he been putting in and not winning, and now he’s starting to win?! Congrats Zeku!

[@xclusivcompany]

If it was a two round battle I think the judges would have go with Jeffro, although el nino slightly had the second round. But Jeffro really came short and in my opinion didn’t secure the bag in the 3rd round. This made El Nino walk away with it. Even when it looks to me like he wasn’t really battling Jeffro. Both are 🔥 But looking forward to see Jeffro go at it again!

[@deanski3386]

I got R1 to Jeffro just by a little bit, R2 Jeffro decisively, and R3 to El nino decisively. Honestly R1 could go either way though

[@Kingmflaj]

It was a close battle

[@djJAWA]

Jeffro was lookin a lil tired in round 3

[@chaifoowa]

Was this before or after the judges call out?

[@Wreckohnize]

After the battle pendejo sorry

[@purejmg7709]

@@Wreckohnize you could've just answered instead of that input.

[@purejmg7709]

It was what caused the call out, so before

[@chaifoowa]

@@purejmg7709 thanks !

[@wizdomtrust1596]

Logical question.

[@Dunemarcher]

IMO the first round could've went either way, depending what judges were looking for. Jeffro had second round decisively, and third round was El Niño's. But overall Jeffro had more energy and originality, I would've gave Jeffro the win but I'm not a judge.

[@MythLee]

Originality ? Everything you see El Niño do is all his don’t get me wrong though jeffro got Moreno flavor 🔥

[@howiestyles4938]

@@MythLee pookie had a bunch of signature transition and power tricks that people bit hard over the years. jeff is more fresh and original for today's time but pookie makes some really hard dense combos look mad ez.

[@reanimaniact3263]

For me 1st round Jeffro. 2nd Round I would chose Jeffro but I see how El Niño could have took that round as well. Last round El Niño .. The only thing I don’t agree with Jeffro is when he hopped on the mic to say he “torched” El Niño . In my opinion no one smoked anyone it was a close battle and a lot of people think it was a close battle too, regardless both Bboys are dope👏🏼

[@agentjackbauer88]

Agreed. Jeffro shouldn't have jumped on the mic like that. Poor sportsmanship. The smart thing to do in that situation is to take the loss like a man and simply go back to the lab and put more work in practicing. Show a little respect to the veterans too.

[@k-rocadams299]

This battle was not close jeffro definitely should’ve won. El Niño went out there and just did moves, he didn’t battle him at all. If all we judged was based off of flashier moves and not the conversation of the battle, everybody would only do poweoves.

[@Char_is]

El Niño round 1 w close Jeffro round 2 w El Niño round 3 w IMO

[@scalabrine670]

Thought the same

[@marsallefrancisco4851]

I'm just watching this now.Both dancers we're awesome but I pick Jeffro for the win.Jeffro came to battle!

[@SteezyFilthyFilms92]

With all due respect el nino did great but i feel like with his style hes not on beat as much.very original with speed and control.but honestly my vote went with jeffro and its basically because he also has speed and control AND more musicality.i feel like he has more to offer than the 4 fundamentals.im no judge but i get more energy out of watching jeffro break and hes more unpredictable and keeps you watching every detail.

[@tryit5]

close battle I think jeffro won but he he didn’t torch anyone like he said he did, it was very close

[@mrphauker]

Agreed, no one got smoked here, dude has an ego

[@chojiakimichi2587]

TORCHED bruh. TORCHED. hahaha

[@P00ters1]

i prefer jeffro cuz he is more raw and original. (footwork>explosion>footwork>powermove>freeze> FIREEEEEEE) classic traditional bboy style from el nino.(powermoves>footwork >freeze) respect and love them both. sike i hate both of them. i love myself.

[@Bboyrex8]

What would we do without you p00ters1 Been seeing ur comments pissing people off since lile years ago lmao

[@danielarmstrong3314]

@@Bboyrex8 old g Eboy! \

[@bboydrae]

Jeffro won that, on beat with some original moves. El Niño did his thing but he clearly lost the first 2 rounds.

[@geovanekelvin3052]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@galardobryan]

Neguin 💯

[@2swole4u74]

Jeffro won that with flava and originality imo .. Pook dance to robotic for me ...

[@kikibboy56890]

Jeffro take it ! 5-0 🥕

[@eduardoparga4394]

Jeffro was so clean

[@wizdomtrust1596]

I see what happened fully now. This justifies Jeffo even more.

[@dilan_jill6677]

1. round: jeffro 2.round: jeffro/el nino 3.round: el nino

[@mrphauker]

It could have gone either way, but Jeffro saying he torched him? Not even, winning the battle I can see though but not torching him, dude has too much of an ego. He had a hype squad too so that plays a factor.

[@oliverwest_dj]

They should fight in the parking lot

[@howiestyles4938]

i liked jeffro's approach more, but el nino looked more solid. had it either or tie or jeff on the first round, second def el nino, and el nino took the third. i'd respect however the judge voted for it. far from a robbery.

[@SkullFaceNinja]

Think what most cats don"t see is that El Niño just has that bboy flava. You can have all tricks but doesn't mean you have style. Bboyin' at its core is about style. Makes sense why those judges voted against him, they are from the generation of style.

[@thejamuhz2323]

They both have impeccable original styles and flava so idk what you’re talking about. Flowmaster is one the the most flavorful stylistic bboys that comes from the era before lil John Ronnie and flea, and he voted for Jeffro so...

[@segzeeman7356]

You clearly don’t know what style is if you think Jeffro has no style.

[@SkullFaceNinja]

@@segzeeman7356 haha you clearly in your feelings that Jeff lost, never said he didn't have style, what I said is based on what the judges that voted against him like it made sense considering their background. Perhaps looking at it objectively might be too much of an ask for some.

[@SkullFaceNinja]

@@thejamuhz2323 well if you read what I wrote I clear spoke to only those who voted against him. Yes the judges that voted against him are all products of Flo and Flo voted Jeff but that still doesn't take away that most cats from the 90s - early 2000s era perceive bboyin' a little differently. Either way we can go in circls but we all just have opinions. And also if you consider your comment remember when all the drama went down, who went at Jeff too? Oh yeah that's right Flo did, if you don't know why it explains a lot.

[@segzeeman7356]

@@SkullFaceNinja dude! You implied in your comment that Jeff has little to no style flava. He has more style / flava than El Niño. Please show me where El Niño can ride the beat and still break. Breaking has evolved. You’re the one in your feelings, and that’s why you’re projecting about it. El Niño is the one just doing moves, albeit with flava. Jeff is dancing and breaking. He messed up by thinking he had it locked, otherwise he should have finished El Niño with the fatality. I think Flea’s correct that it was close.

[@millz8514]

Its clearly EL NINO takes it ROUND 1 AND 3 CLEAR FOR HIM 🔥

[@chadmorrislionsinparis]

As far as total package as a bboy battling another bboy, you gotta dance and address your opponent with some kind of intent. that's number 1 then we go to the floor, who has the foundation down, who has the power moves down, who has the tricks?? then we get down to originality and character. these 2 make the end result of what a bboy is. so with that being said, I think the brotha from mad crew edged out El Nino 3-2 the Kid from RAD crew came to battle and you can see it. El Nino didn't go off on the kid like he should have. Just my 2 cents Bboy Karma1 Mighty Zulu Kings

[@rafaelsantiago7087]

El Niño needs to do more foot work he’s always doing power moves I would would like to see more foot tricks

[@seymourglass26]

How dare he have his own style. You should coach him up to be a champion.

[@traveliar2873]

Jeffro Def torched that guy 😆😆

[@jorgealbertoparedesalvarez7336]

Jeffro 🔥

[@garasefora8043]

Ok i can understand that maybe jeffro was a little bit off in the 3 round. That’s ok. But jeffro on this battle was way more original , a lot of Flava and fire. The speed , the musicality , THE FOOTWORK ON BEAT. El Niño it’s one of the most basics bboys I have ever seen on the game, and be watching Bboy events like 8 years now. Sure, El Niño makes great power and fundamentals. I’m not saying he’s a bad bboy. All I’m saying is ... he’s not nearly close to Jeffros Flava or originality.

[@kingjomz007]

It was a close battle and it could have went either way.

[@ethansharer]

I like both of em but after watching it back I can def see why El Nino got it.

[@johnxiong5232]

El Niño Wonnnnnn!!!!! In my eyes it was close but El Niño executed his moves perfectly as for Jeffro he was dope as hell but then some of his movements were kinda sloppy. Just my opinion

[@STRETCHINGWINGS]

El NINO IS The BEST

[@marrakechsportracer4170]

Jeffro won,..Politics are involved ,Workshop's,.Sponsorship's ect.

[@-haze-2849]

Jeffro took every round. Wack.

[@modestlypricedbagel169]

El Nino is wack is been doing same things for years and nothing original not on beats. Jeffro smokes that already over by second round. Take away standard moves windmill headspin baby freeze and that is half of el nino gone. El Nino overrated no original. Jeffro fresh and can dance on beats and original. More nature dance

[@agentjackbauer88]

El Nino is a veteran and has been in the scene much longer than your hero. Jeffro is good, but he wasn't as clean with his moves as El Nino's. Don't disrespect. Go eat a damn bagel and stop wasting space here.

[@wizdomtrust1596]

@@agentjackbauer88 lol

[@wizdomtrust1596]

@@agentjackbauer88 terrible

[@ocelotonatiuh1255]

A lot of your favorite Bboy's bite from El Niño. Jeffro lost get over it

[@COSMOTHEPLANET]

El nino win!

[@ekadarmawan3335]

this should be jeffro to win.

[@stanforddickson6349]

It was close, nino had better power though

[@ekadarmawan3335]

@@stanforddickson6349 jeffro have power too in his style

[@Juanm0407]

It was close. But i got el nino 1st jeffro 2cnd and el nino 3rd.

[@modestlypricedbagel169]

How el nino 1st round? He does basic not single originality from him. Not even on beat. Jeffro was dancing beats with unique move and flow way better. El nino only get by friends rigged

[@truebaa]

fuckin robbed

[@agentjackbauer88]

El Nino won and Jeffro has a target on his back now. Jeffro won't be able to do a call out on judges overseas. He needs to grow up and learn how to take a loss like a man.

[@jhook1237]

1st round: el nino 2nd round: jeffro 3rd round: el nino winner: el nino