The PDP is really good

[@griftinggamer]

Walther's secret...they're still made in Germany with Teutonic Stahl from Odin. Notice HK and Walther haven't had deterious quality drop offs while our American made stuff is starting to seem like Brazil tier.

[@S1deshowRob]

Even Brazilian guns are getting better

[@Lambullghini]

H&K America just became a thing so get a move on if you wanna get something German made and brand new.

[@UltimateEnd0]

Also heard about bad tooling marks on Berettas made here in United States.

[@paddypibblet846]

Have you seen the demographics of the USA today? American firearms are basically being made by Mexicans and Africans. If you want some of that quality old world craftsmanship you have to get something like an Atlas or Limcat

[@MrWhiskeyShits]

​@@paddypibblet846fucking THIS. Diversity in action.

[@1flatabs]

Yes, please do a video about the “bore access thing” !

[@grappler555]

Axis

[@patmaloney1140]

Sold my PDP full size and PDP-F to get a PDP Pro Compact. Excellent guns. As mentioned in other comments, the CZ p10s are awesome as well.

[@manueloros2732]

Recoil management is not about snappiness. Everything to do with a predicable return to zero. PDP's rock at this. I echo Ben's recommendation. Try them out if you get the chance.

[@josephsantana3094]

Tried one, got the ZR guide rod and 15lb spring, tried my hardest to like the gun. But I never experienced this return to zero people talk about. Definitely doesn’t return like my Glock does. Now the PDP steel frame is a whole different story.

[@CitizenCarrier]

@@josephsantana3094Really? Well then maybe the PDP isn’t for you then. No big deal. Nothing is one size fits all. But instead of blaming the PDP or any other gun that doesn’t return to target quickly, consistently and predictably, maybe you should look to the consistency of your grip. Not trying to be a wise guy. But it worked for me.

[@timothycummins2700]

Except for physics….

[@CitizenCarrier]

@@timothycummins2700 Return to target with an efficient grip IS physics. “Snappiness” can absolutely be subjective from shooter to shooter. People that gripe about “high bore axis” are looking for any excuse other than their grip. Not returning to target on follow up shots has FAR more to do with shitty grip than less than a quarter of an inch, more like 1/8th of an inch in most cases of higher bore axis. Try again.

[@paddypibblet846]

​@@CitizenCarrierAgreed. I bought into Berettas for competition and can't get them to return to zero as well as my Glocks but I know for a fact there's dudes out there shredding with Berettas so it can't be the gun, it's me.

[@timothycummins2700]

I wish the P10 series got more love. I think it’s the nicest shooting striker fired gun out there.

[@rabblerouser5301]

cheap and available accessories make glock fanboys scream

[@onpsxmember]

You should try more. It's affordable and does the job well. The trigger is so-so.

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

Thank you for speaking on the bore axis thing. These people man...

[@Waltherarms]

Ethay eckchay isway inway ethay ailmay.

[@goobasippay938]

Lel top gun company leaving cryptic piglatin messages

[@ddsharknads7782]

"That gun sucks nuts."

[@tominthetux]

This man’s videos are singlehandedly pushing me from the 365xl to the PDP. Gonna have to go to Scheels now

[@noeyshot]

I hear you. I bought a toyota tacoma after watching this video.

[@PeabodyGoPew]

So is the cz p10 series 😊

[@amiyourcharm]

I have a c and f. I like them a lot, but I’d love to know what you think. I don’t shoot nearly as much as most people

[@Blobertbigly]

​@amiyourcharm I've shot the p10s and the pdp compact, imo I prefer the p10 just because it has more weight and allows me to shoot with less shake.

[@PeabodyGoPew]

@@amiyourcharm I have about 8k on a p10F (cgw trigger, striker spring, sbgw tungsten rod , 14# recoil spring , TF brass back strap , it’s pretty solid , I just put a pmm comp on it , shoots very nice , ran it all last year for carry optics My C I carry daily , have about 4k on that , only upgrade to that is the overwatch precision trigger , I will say I very much enjoy the grip of the walthers but prefer everything else on the p10 series I recently went to a 2011 for my comp gun though

[@PeabodyGoPew]

@@amiyourcharm check m page out I have some footage of both , don’t be heading over there expecting no shooting like Ben now 🤣

[@veovius]

​@PeabodyGoPew I have about 20k over 2 P10Fs. Bone stock except for apex trigger kit for a rolling break. Awesome guns, shoots anything. My only complaint is that they're a little thin and I have a hard time getting "behind" the grip and just have to rely on side support pressure instead.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

Note- Safariland recently added PDP & some versions to the holster line. Prices vary.

[@paddypibblet846]

Since when? Big if true

[@brunopezzey9516]

@@paddypibblet846 Safariland 6354 been available for PDP for at least two months now.

[@jesseatam]

Ben, I’m surprised you seemed so quick to write off the VP9. It has a super customizable grip due to the side panels, a solid trigger, and HK is known for incredible parts quality and longevity. The long slide and match variant also half the o-ring barrel gimmick which I would be interested to hear your opinion on. HK also has their DA/SA platforms and then LEM which seems super interesting. Also, have you seen the new generation of CZ p09? Polymer DA/SA gun that’s optic ready seems like it could potentially be something you might find interesting. Love all the content you’ve been putting out keep up the great work!

[@onpsxmember]

Comes back really nicely, the sf trigger allows for quick follow ups. After 5k through it i have to say the slight finger groves are not perfect for me my long slim fingers. Has to be spot on slightly thicker fingers. The ones that want to use it in competition have to look at the magazine length. The side panels are useful, on can have a thicker one on one side too, but they had to stack ammo a bit slimmer so the mags are longer. If it has to fit a box one has to look into base plates and overall height if it is feasible.

[@fredseymour1224]

Wait until the VP9 "trigger stop pin" backs out ever so slightly and it doesnt stop the trigger linkage from locking up the slide.

[@scubajho]

I carry a PDP and love it. I'm no pro, but I decided to try it on the 200 yd range for the heck of it, and it'll ring a 12" plate at 200. I have the 5" barrel, and it does not like the standard 115 gr Critical Defense. Groups opened up considerably compared to my cheap 115 gr fmj plinking ammo. However, it loves the 124 gr Critical Duty +p and shoots those at the same zero as the 115 fmjs.

[@Obsidian1022]

The pdp blows the 320 out of the water, but the 320 is the bomb. I'll see myself out. 😂

[@seaocean4868]

Not hard to do tbh but pdps are great

[@arrshooting]

P10F is so good, great ergos and awesome trigger right out of the box. You should check it out, Ben.

[@SAR0311]

Tulsa, OK has a brand new Scheels opening in October! It's pretty exciting, we've never had one anywhere around here before. This will give Academy, Dunham's, Bass Pro and Atwood's some more competition. Scheels looks like it's going to be our best store yet! 🤞🏽

[@GryphonIndustrial]

918 represent!

[@rl1271]

I shot both the cz p10 and PDP multiple times. PDP has a slightly better trigger, grip and look. But cz is flatter shooting, smaller, and cheaper

[@redline870]

I second the shout out to Scheels! Best outdoor gear store ever!

[@glutimous]

Scheels is what Cabela's used to be before Bass Pro took over. Even better. I have a Cabela's about 15 minutes away and a Scheels 30 minutes. I'll take the longer drive any time.

[@FirstLast-ff7qx]

Ben shit on sig now hes gotta shoot reloads.

[@zen-Tii]

😆

[@bloomingonion56]

I bought the first gen of the PDP and I've hated all my other guns ever since. my thesis on the snappiness is as follows high bore axis+ stepped chamber+ one size fits all recoil spring + light weight (6 ounces lighter than a similar sized p320) = more felt recoil even if muzzle rise and return to point of aim is good.

[@swiftaudi]

Cz p10-f, I would like to see you test that gun or an Arsenal strike one.

[@LibertySpam]

Yes, Walther makes the best stock striker fired pistols...

[@microchrist6122]

Always end up selling other plastic things and coming back to Glock (beretta, Walther, sig etc)

[@glefos3917]

What platform would you shoot if you were to start pursuing another world championship? Shadow 2 or something else?

[@paddypibblet846]

100% he'll use the Shadow 2

[@samalbanese464]

Love my czp10F

[@LongRangeOutlaw]

I love to see a review of the PDP steel frame.

[@WyattDerpTheNotSoEarp]

I had or used damn near every striker fired gun, CZ P10s, Glocks, M&Ps, HKs, Sigs, etc I ended up hating every one of them and kept shooting my 1911s and P226s. Low and behold here comes the PDP, I thought it just looked cool so I went searching for one, finally found one, put hands on it, and now it's the longest I've ever owned and shot a striker fired gun and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. I have 2 of them and just got a Q5 Match Steel frame not too long ago. I should be getting a commission from Walther because I've sold a good bit of people on them.

[@xtreamar1550]

Picture Ben driving his Mach 1 while concealing his rainbow sig 😂.. it would go well with the Miata

[@pranavkamath4329]

If you really want to mess with people, don’t get a Prodigy, get that base model Tisas double stack.

[@rooftop_dk]

One of us, one of us, one of us!

[@SalvadorFrieri]

I’d love to see you shoot a PDP Match Steel Frame and see how close it really is to a race gun like the Staccatos.

[@LibertySpam]

Staccato isn't race gun, they're really good though

[@paddypibblet846]

Yeah Staccatos aren't race guns. They're somewhere between a production gun and a true race gun

[@chevrofreak]

Scheels is *the* gun store in my opinion.

[@jacklewis3444]

I work at my lgs and I think the PDP is better than most other offerings in this market

[@kurttles]

Sig check bounces.... Walther clears

[@TerminalM193]

Damn straight it's good! Just hit 10k rounds with mine this past weekend and have yet to need to change any springs, extractor etc and the barrel is still far more accurate than I am. I did upgrade the guide rod and trigger day 1. Sprinco guide rod with red spring, "red spring will literally feed everything" and the Walther upgraded trigger. None of my other pistols have been this reliable and I own practically all major offerings. My cz p10c is the only other completely reliable pistol, "thus far".

[@jpablos80]

Great feedback about the Alien. Thanks

[@Gman010]

Underrated company for sure. The PPS makes for a solid EDC

[@dutch4260]

Walther puts an "F" after the name of one of their pistols that's genuinely a good CCW option for anyone and all the millennial fudds at the gun store lose their shit when a man buys it, yeah sounds about right. PS as a weekend gun store employee you can safely disregard what most of us think.

[@lewisshemery2585]

Please do a video about bore axis!

[@Shadow__133]

PDP F-ighter 4" with HS SCS optics and magwell is my EDC 👍 M&P, Glock, Springfield, Ruger, Colt all retired in a drawer now 😂

[@escapefromnewyork9648]

The PDP can only be appreciated by highly experienced shooters imo. Despite all of the features that the PDP beats the Glock on, the Glock shoots flatter. You have to be a beast on recoil mitigation to be successful with it. I’m not there yet. Trading mine in for a 19X.

[@paddypibblet846]

The Glock is extremely flat shooting for what it is. It's unbelievable how flat it shoots.

[@stanthebamafan]

I love my PDPs. I think the snappiness isn’t much of a problem with good technique. Also they’re starting to get pretty good aftermarket support, so it’s beginning to become a platform that you can customize. Right now I’m working on building an IDPA gun with barrel ports and all the other bells and whistles.

[@justin4911]

Bore axis is one thing but it would be fun to compare the standard Browning action against a rotating barrel action as well.

[@Shankdaddy16]

If I wanted a striker fried gun I would either get a PDP or a VP9.

[@MrPlock78]

Please do a bore axis video. Constantly arguing with people about how it's not relevant

[@GG1Enjoyer]

Love my PDP-F

[@PapaTango1M]

I heard about Ben S. From my former physical therapists husband back in Texas. I ordered a book on Amazon (By Ben) Very logical and practical approach, throw out the fluff. Concise information 10/10. These YT videos are great. Glad your name got tossed out in convo.

[@onpsxmember]

I'm still waiting for the new book since he revised a lot. I hope it'll be out this year. Which book did you get?

[@PapaTango1M]

@@onpsxmember practical pistol [reloaded] excellent read.

[@jproduce1]

As a diehard Glock fan, I’m absolutely in the camp of Walther. Tried the m17 when it was forced onto us and hated it. Tried modding my own p320 to make it better and it’s still lackluster to a factory Glock or PDP but I think the pdp even beats out Glock. I Know the p99 is polarizing but I was always a fan from the first time I shot a p99 and p226 while serving overseas.

[@joepiazza9194]

I really can’t see putting the cash out for a stiletto so I bought a Girsan witness 2311. After I had a trigger job done and put a muzzle break on it, it is now my favorite handgun! After about 2500 rounds it has not had a failure to feed or failure to fire. It is my flattest shooting gun. When I got it, it had about a 10 pound trigger pull and it is now about 3 pounds. Try one out.

[@ericscott6427]

There needs to be a bore axis video and the over powering recoil of the 9mm should also be addressed

[@CitizenCarrier]

Is the Walther PDP the best damn striker fired gun out there? Hell, I don’t know. Maybe. Maybe not. I haven’t shot every striker fired gun out there. But what I can tell you is I bought one. A full size 5 inch. Carry it every day. I liked it so much, I bought a second one.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I'd agree with you but the PDP line 2.0 is revised. Better.

[@CitizenCarrier]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Both of mine are the 2.0 revised versions. I don’t have any experience with the older, first run model so I don’t know what changes were made from the first version to the second other than the optic cut. They may have improved other things. But I love both of mine. They shoot incredibly. I don’t have any problem with the “snappiness“ that so many talk about. Mostly because I don’t really know what that means since I think that could be subjective from shooter to shooter. But during a rapid string of fire, it always goes right back to target quickly. Especially since I’ve been listening to Ben.

[@Whycantisee]

Bore axis video will definitely piss a lot of people off. You should make it

[@caesarselfreliance.4081]

As a local USPSA/Outlaw shooter. I can say my old PPQ has been the most reliable gun I own. And I have a lot of Glocks.

[@ccoddington]

Low bore access on Chiappa Rhino I can definitely feel. High bore access on the Sigs I can definitely feel. I like the bore access on my Glocks, "just right."

[@christophercofone1456]

Went to check out the pdp lineup on Walter’s website and it looks like your video crashed it

[@stevenkennedy4130]

Walther's run. Nuff said!!

[@alexaldridge1209]

People complaining about bore access with any 9mm are just making excuses. I started shooting handguns last year and owned a glock, hk, and cz before buying a PDP. Immediately shot the PDP better than the other guns, even as a novice.

[@coach-]

bit different being Ben Stoeger and buying a pink shiny p365 and some average joe setting foot in their first gun store buying their first gun but i get your point.

[@christofonobrown3659]

Just going off the title. No joke about PD)’s, PPQ’s, etc. they are solid.

[@UltimateEnd0]

Yup Walther PDP is tops. I am also looking at the Archon Type B Gen II w/ all of the IronHorseFirearms upgrades.

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

You know, I am not interested in a prodigy either. Now your opinion on the Alien, that was interesting. When you talk about small differences in how the gun shoots making you focus or change some aspect of your shooting to fix issues of vertical stringing, that interests me. I do love all the gear stuff, but putting it in context of some aspect of shooting performance... yup, that is what I come see Ben about. PewView dude was talking about vertical strings on rapid pairs and him having some special design for his comp, ie not as large as the XC. I find that interesting, but my BS meter goes off. Your opinion is always revealing.

[@Hyasuma_Pew]

Talk about canik rival

[@socmonki]

The pdp is one of the best pistols on the market. Ergos, weight, TRIGGER, it's just phenomenal. I've seriously considered selling pretty much everything I have and keeping my 2 pdps, my echelon, and my Platypus. Modularity of the 320 and echelon are great if you want that flexibility but the pdp is just amazing as is.

[@xtreamar1550]

The alien recoil doesn’t rise it pushes back but people seem to swear by it being amazing

[@ludwigwinter6795]

It's 5k, so it has to be amazing 😂

[@SectionChief]

I was surprised when I was at a class recently and the instructor, T. Herron, was shooting a Prodigy. He was lights out with it, and I barely can get mine (Prodigy) to function through a full days worth of shooting. I like the pistol not the reliability.

[@SuperAbsolute]

+1 for the p10c. would like to hear what you think of them.

[@byronbranch4645]

I own 3 PDPs. Theyre great. Havent shot my pdp pro-x yet though. But rhe 15 lb recoil springs are a must

[@spacecaesar7619]

6:45 Silver medal match is a phenomenal thing to paint pen on your ammo cans.

[@fuggleeartshow]

Nick was the guy that changed my mind on bore axis when I watched him grip a pdp an inch or more down the grip and shoot it with no visible change in recoil in a insta video. Literally a huge gap between the web of his hand and the beaver tail and it did nothing. If you talk about it, maybe you could have him on also.

[@cherokeecook1260]

I went with the PDP when I was looking for a carry optics gun because of the grip angle and trigger (vs a Glock) I’m thoroughly content with the gun. It runs great and I’ve never felt like any of its attributes hold me back. Nothing else I’ve tried has been able to beat it for me My opinion is the snappiness comes from the mass of the slide (she chunky)

[@onpsxmember]

Take the slide off and weigh it. It looks heavy but isn't that different.

[@Ellienollie]

Try a shadow systems bro. If it goes well people will rage....if it doesn't people will still rage. It is part of the troll gun review arc

[@michalw45]

P30L LEM or PX4 Storm

[@steelercurtain]

I'm just going to say it. The Walter PDP lineup is better than the Glock. Sorry not sorry

[@goobasippay938]

Enjoy your high bore axis buddy

[@noeyshot]

gooba did not watch the video

[@WyattDerpTheNotSoEarp]

​@goobasippay938 the people who complain about high bore axis are typically the ones that have a shitty grip. Wild how 2011s are touted as some of the flatest and fastest shooting handguns yet have a bore axis on par with 320s.

[@goobasippay938]

@@WyattDerpTheNotSoEarp my grip tighter than yo mama

[@timothycummins2700]

Incorrect

[@seaocean4868]

Had a pdp, liked it a lot. Sold it and now i have all glocks or shadow systems.

[@maerica76]

"You gotta quit giving a fuck what people at gun stores think. Like what is wrong with you, who cares?" Best line I've heard in a while.

[@ZApe1102]

For the bore axis boiis. My hill to die on is that the action of the archon type b and the arsenal strike one/two (lowest bore axis or any polymer striker fired guns) are a better shooting experience than any browning action- and Ben if you see this, the arsenals are made in the same factory the tanfoglios are made

[@duty5127]

For the people that say bore axis doesn't matter, I just show them the short video on my channel of me shooting with my Arsenal Strike One and it's night and day. Seriously, check it out.

[@ZApe1102]

@@duty5127 I own the strike one mark 2, the strike two and a gen one archon type b. Favorite pistols

[@ZApe1102]

@@duty5127 just watched it. They shoot like a .22 mag.

[@ConspiracyXClan]

Funny you mention the archon and arsenal as I’ve been eyeing the archon for a few years now. As I’m now learning about Walther’s products as I’m now interested unlike before, I really would like to research some comparisons between offerings from the three mentioned. In particular the triggers out of the box as well as recoil impulse (in terms of dot return).

[@wisco_guy]

So what if the muzzle flips more on a high bore axis pistol compared to a low bore axis? Honestly, does it really affect your performance? If it does, probably has more to do with shooting skill and fundamentals, or lack of.

[@patriotfromthenoket6141]

I like it but it’s a thick girl. The beaver tail/back strap rubs my strong hand knuckle. I saw the PMM reshaped it for their version. Thinking of taking a dremel to it. The heavy ZR spring helps but it’s not life changing.

[@WildBillShooting]

Walther makes good shit

[@ZizinRacing]

Finally got the deets on why the alien sucks. Makes sense.

[@kcowen757]

Yes! "Budget" 2011's! Or Prodigy or maybe that Apollo 11?

[@bluyetiinc7553]

I wanted to love the pdp. It was my first gun, even followed up with the pro sd, however, i couldnt control it as it felt to light to me and probably my poor technique. I ended up enjoying and shooting much better with heavier guns like the canik rival S.

[@floridat2180]

What you think about the Sig SP2022?

[@v.german11b]

*Try and evaluate Canik handguns, particularly the METE lineup, the SFx Rival, and the TTI Combat may open your mind about other platforms.*

[@mikevarnerzski]

I shot a USP in 40sw for 20 years. High bore axis is a thing for people who can't lock out their wrists.

[@LeifyGuy]

I already owned a cz p10 when I shot the pdp came out, realized that it didn't do anything the p10 doesn't do so I forgot it existed

[@chadnelson2937]

plz elaborate on your humble marksman comment from an earlier video

[@KnifeNinjaEDC]

So you like Scott Jedlinksi? ❤️

[@UponGiantsShoulders]

The grip is a little small for me, but I cannot lie, I shoot my 5 inch pdp best of a bunch of guns in that range. By that I mean I can just turn my brain off and get results.

[@vincentrafaiani3986]

I reload instead of watching TV, during my dead time.

[@tacticalclochard]

For what is worth, I have a PPQ M1 "Classic", 3.6k rounds through it, and it has a high bore axis and is snappy as hell. Dunno, but a high bore axis being a bad thing makes sense to me.

[@CranjisMcBasketballMD]

I actually laughed out loud when you said the alien sucks nuts

[@HanzBlitz-i8t]

The Bad Man said good stuff about a gun I don't have!?!?!? I'm BIG MAD

[@thatonedoood]

Whats your take on common fudd sayings, like slow is smooth smooth is fast or aim small miss small

[@paddypibblet846]

Ben literally uses the "aim small miss small" thing in his classes and even references Mel Gibson in the Patriot

[@CZW10000]

I do think the Prodigy videos would be fuckin hilarious

[@JB22636]

Everybody already knows that gun doesn't work

[@Kawboy65]

I just bought a new P99. I guess I am about 25 years behind the times 😂

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

The OD green "final ed"?

[@Kawboy65]

@@DavidLLambertmobile Yes

[@anoslife83]

Hi Ben I really love to see your Videos, I would love to hear your honest opinion about Bul Armory Tac Pro not that you should buy it but just if you shoot them what will be your honest review on it! Lovely warm greetings from a small Country Switzerland Oliver!

[@falconp226]

what gun would you start out with if you were starting to shoot again competitively?

[@calebminasian8175]

Scheels is great. I actually hate when I have to go anywhere else.

[@onpsxmember]

Huh...the Walthers have quite small grips and the P-10 has space for bear paws. Maybe it's about trigger reach or width. Hands are different.

[@seengh]

What do you think about all the Walther influencers using the ZRT long stroke? Any thoughts on the system?