Elbit Systems / ATHOS

[@SirDamned]

this is the artillery equivalent of wearing gamer glasses

[@martcaballero5886]

Thank you elbit for arming us. Greetings from the Philippines.

[@JTRch]

I was Gunner in a M-109 in Swiss Army, and we are definitely manually faster then that, much faster!

[@umarra9191]

Respect to you Sir

[@gdgobi7330]

😂😂😂😂 Sometimes Autonomous are useless. Man can do things faster and easier.

[@SadOne1980]

m 109 - 4 rounds per minute, this thing 3 rounds per 18 seconds and it's much cheaper 🤷‍♂️

[@sudinshrestha319]

People get tired machine dont

[@gdgobi7330]

@@sudinshrestha319 There is no proud in destruction and killing. 😒

[@Mirandorl]

For one bizarre moment, I thought this was going to be a kickstarter campaign

[@hobbz4921]

now that was funny!!!

[@wachtamrhein3022]

I was an Artilleryman in the Marines. We were firing the WWII 105mm and the M198 155mm. While I appreciate the technology on this hardware, I agree with some of the posts on this forum. Too many parts that can go wrong and it looks like an Arty Mech's nightmare..

[@stuartmcarthur6705]

Super stable platform when firing. Moving parts are mostly hydraulics. Not really difficult to maintain. Pipe bursts mostly.

[@wachtamrhein3022]

@@stuartmcarthur6705 Despite my original observation, it does look impressive. Hopefully, the pipe issue can be resolved. Are they going to mount it as SP?

[@KuyAurelian]

What's autonomous with a system that requires a guy dropping the propellant charges in?

[@noname2031-w5r]

yeah what the fuck fire everyone that designed that!

[@tigbitsss1133]

It has a different load for different distances so that's why they are doing it by hand

[@maxkonig559]

It depends on what the application is for since we're not in star trek era yet.

[@WolfeSaber9933]

Failsafe, if the weapoms miss fired.

[@jerromedrakejr9332]

@@maxkonig559 This is not Star trek technology but it is still fully automated: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGqwm2aBi6-SlcU Plus, what is the point of automated towed howitzer?

[@KC-gh5hw]

I can already foresee so many components are going to wear out quick and will require a crap ton of maintenance. Look at all the parts shaking and vibrating immediately after firing the gun.

[@gefiltafish2187]

Actually if u noticed. Unlike a Swedish design the Elbit system is Perforated, in every section there is. Why? So no dust or degree can be caught in the mechanisms and cause even the slightest stutter. Even the tray that collects the shells makes a quick twist with them. Just to make sure. So rest assure .. that dust or degree are not a neglected issue . As for maintaining ? Every heavy machine needs constant maintenance . Even the simplest of guns will requires constant cleaning after all. Same as any constantly used machine that needs to always perform at its best.

[@diggacha]

It also doesn't offer a lot over the M777. You still have to carry ammo to it. You still have to load propellent. For some reason the primer is disturbingly more complicated. Height of the breech is ridiculous if you ever have to shoot degraded. About the only good thing is gunners won't get lazy with the ram rod.

[@coolz-aj9516]

@WithAStick AngryWhiteMan maintenance is very important, for example, the f35 can only fly 1 time every 5 days, so a bunch of su30s can destroy a f35 while its underdoing maintenance, luckily russia can't afford alot of su30s. the amount of time it takes to load that artillery is horrible, isis will be laughing at US if they sent this piece of junk in battle.

[@gefiltafish2187]

@WithAStick AngryWhiteMan omg lol. HE IS LOOKING AT THE MONITOR On the ground U NUMNUT LOL. That is a bloody measuring unit.

[@gefiltafish2187]

@@diggacha you make some good points.. but we can clearly see this is not the final version. I wonder the same thing myself about the propellant. But the propellant is light weight after all.. thus, not requiring fancy lifting. Also. They usually like to make Israeli weapons to fit variable ammunition’s and propellants in a single unit. That may also account for the way every part of that unit, seems to measure and re measure the shells as well. All and all. This entire unit seems more fitting to third world countries that need some cheap reliable units. I’m saying that cause I know the Israeli have operational units that can fire at least 3 shells in a row if not more.. Fast and accurate with variations on time of impact so you can create a wide killing zone where they all hit at the same time.

[@MPdude237]

A lot of people seem to be shitting on this system but it does have potential. Although it cannot fire as fast as a crew, what happens when the crew is doing this all day? They get slower and may make mistakes. Although machines do eventually fail, they will keep running at a more consistent rate for prolonged fire. You can also reduce the crew by a lot. Although It doesn't say the full crew size, a crew of 3 can come close to the volume of fire a 8 man crew can do. Although the system will be more expensive, this will reduce overall cost by reducing crew size. Machines are stronger then men. If we want to go up to something like 170, 205, 225mm or somewhere in that range, a human loader will be very impractical. Although we will still need to bring the ammo to the gun, the gun can handle the rest Another issue brought up is durability. Yeah, it does not look like a super durable system, but people are not very durable either. Anything that would stop this machine from working would stop a human from being able to work or even live. Although it is true that this thing is massive and cannot run or hide like people. Another thing to note is that artillery is not intended to be used on the front lines, so it will not be exposed to anything that you wouldn't expose an M777 or an M109. Last issue I want to address, is complexity and reliability. It is true, it is way more complex than a typical howitzer. And it may fail. But these are issues that will be ironed out in future versions. Many current technologies were clumsy, too expensive, or not beneficial enough when they first came out. The M16 had a lot of problems but troops today swear by it, computers used to be massive and expensive and now most people has on in their pockets, early auto-rifles were heavy, overly complex, fragile, and now are standard even with unconventional forces. Hell, early autoloaders used on T-34s and BMP-1s were overly complex and they are now standard on Russian tanks and used in a number of other tanks such as Leclerc and K2 Black Panther. Give it time, and many of these issues will be ironed out.

[@specialagent1868]

I'm honestly more shocked at a MIC KZbin video that has comments turned on than any innovation shown here.

[@cstgraphpads2091]

You must be new to KZbin, especially with an unironic use of "MIC".

[@brianjschumer]

Elbit also makes the worlds most advanced fighter pilot helmets, you eyeball a target, it get hit, etc..The US uses in joint effort those Helmets as well.

[@LCF1913]

Like from Azerbaijan !!!

[@AlphaNumericKey]

It's an interesting concept, but it still requires a crew to load propellant manually, presumably as a safety feature to prevent the gun from going berzerk if it suffers a technical malfunction or its gunnery systems are hijacked. The integrated Ammo Crane is exceptional, though. I'm sure gunners will appreciate the choice of loading using a mechanized arm over breaking their backs.

[@danielspillett5393]

as an ex artilleryman to many moving parts what can go wrong will go wrong

[@dudemcradguy]

What’s the point of an automated system when you still have the same number of people operating it?

[@ethanadkins4052]

facts

[@Fromheaven007]

Backpain saving.

[@jegergladformad86]

its not a shoemaking machine in china. its all about volume of fire. not manpower, i would guess it is safer aswell no fumbling around with live shells i think a 155mm HE is about 50kg. i would want two sturdy guy's to carrie a shell if i had only manpower availabe. this seems too be a common solution on atillery the ammo crane is not a new invention by any means

[@mikeybreakz6292]

my back feels better for the boys sending it

[@tshay27]

It looks like a mess of wiring harnesses waiting to fail at the worst possible time

[@FatGouf]

I guess in the long run, pure grunt work of 7-8 guys would still outlast autoloaders.

[@prjndigo]

powder bags DO NOT LIKE HYDRO OIL either

[@prjndigo]

@@FatGouf Most of those guys could lay and fire. Automate shit too much and you get the fish/cut bait problem. The reason we surround our old-school systems with soldiers is a guy with a rifle is what wins wars.

[@UnyieldingSeraph]

Oh yes, harsh environments, less than ideal handling. What could possibly go wrong? One thing it will definitely do automatically is fail exactly when you don't want it to.

[@billwhoever2830]

I agree with you but, the current limitation for artillery is the strength of the men operating them This type of projects open a new window for larger guns being fielded in the future The larger guns dont actualy have to replace the current 155mm ones A larger gun has longer range and much better destructive power Bunker busting was a thing in the past and it could be in the future Using guided projectiles can be much more cost effective the bigger they are

[@_spooT]

3 rounds in ten seconds, plus it takes more seconds to put another 3 rounds in the ammo rack. I understand that this would make it more easier and would make it require less crew, but it would come at a price regarding overall effectiveness. A standard crew on a standard 155 can load faster and can load constantly. In the battlefield every second counts and even just one second difference can save your life. I don't know the specifics of this thing, but looking at it, it looks like if one system breaks, it compromises the entire gun. A well trained crew could even fire more rounds than an autoloading system plus much more reliable I'm no expert, but. If you're willing to listen to ideas/advice, it's that, don't overthink and overcomplicate things, you'll only end up creating more problems and using a lot more of money and probably end up just scrapping it. Just keep things simple. Simple but effective

[@simpleman9208]

You see the slop in the loading crane? That thing shaking around with 3 155s is going to wear out fast and be very maintenance intense/unreliable. Neat but this is a solution looking for a problem.

[@ozbejsturm544]

i think thats for countries with lower manpower than their competetors. think it like iran israel for example. if you re putting 4 man crew on a weapon that usually requires 5-6 man crew. it makes an effective solution to the problem.

[@saradaprasannabehera4797]

Thanks again to Israel for supporting India and transfer of technology by elbit system. thanks

[@ОлегЗайцев-ф6ю]

Скорострельность как в 16веке, зато расчет не устает))) 👍👍👍👏👏👏

[@alex966319805]

Чтобы "ихтамнетов" ебашить самое то!!! :-)

[@МихаилДворянинов-п1ф]

@@alex966319805 Иди мову учи.

[@Antoniobanderos11]

@@alex966319805 Ты откуда выполз стратег,даже ребенок сейчас знает что прославленная и самая сильная на континенте выбрала котловое уничтожение ихтамнетов,уже семь котлов организовали,и непосредственно прямо из котлов уничтожают целые дивизии ихтамнетов и я тебе скажу уничтожают так что остатки этих дивизий вообще никто найти не может.Так что им не нужны все эти штучки как на этом видео)))

[@alex966319805]

@@Antoniobanderos11 Слава Украине!

[@Antoniobanderos11]

@@alex966319805 Ага,это точно.Смерть творогам!!!

[@knightlife98]

Manual loading would kill this thing, if the mission is 4 shells.

[@zzxd7720]

Operator: "Holly shit, sand got into the insert primer button. This gun can no longer fire."

[@user-fx2oo3bi9c]

Congratulations #Elbit Elbit won 400 Athos howitzers order for India Army .

[@andrewallen9993]

As someone who worked on Elbit IBM mainframe clones I was just waiting for an armed and fused shell to be rammed into a closed breech block ensuing fun, games and fireworks for all concerned :)

[@RedstarBunny]

most of you who are saying this has too many moving parts or isnt as fast as Xyz really need to step back a few as this isnt new and its going to be the norm very soon. this sort of equipment is getting better every year in both efficiency and durability, also cheaper be that through less men needed to run it or the parts being less expensive to fabricate because the tooling becomes more common.

[@ОпаопаОпапа-о2ж]

Капитанамана! Батарейканама кончилася! Пушкимана больше пух-пух не делать!

[@die_frohliche_duschwanne2183]

Too complicated and expensive for a simple howitzer. Take that gun on an armored and much more mobile chassis and it will make more sense.

[@prjndigo]

a flatbed truck full of drones with 20 mile range and 12kg main charges would probably make more sense than this shit

[@quinnmoore5985]

Amazing what a mortar and a Toyota Technical is capable of lol.

[@kith00000]

I was looking forward to no humans at all. I guess judgement day will have to wait.

[@derekheuring2984]

I was a military Engineer, not a grunt or an Artilleryman so take my comment for what it's worth: I've watched videos of the M198 and the M777 being fired. It seems to me that the older, un-automated system would be able to keep up a greater and maintained barrage as opposed to everything coming to a halt as the three round magazine is reloaded in the ATHOS. I'd be interested in hearing what an Artilleryman who has crewed both the M198 and M777 has to say.

[@johnxina53]

It looks waaay too much complicated. These moving parts and automatic systems will be a constant headache for a crew to repair

[@Ulexcool]

I mean yes... if the crew is made of retarded grunts yes.

[@johnxina53]

Artillery crews are usually not made of the brightest people anyway

[@mrb1usky764]

thank you for your service all of you

[@trident1409]

Israeli ATHOS and Indian ATAGS gun. both are beast.

[@billprezioso3677]

I guess the guy who simulates the automatic priming loader must be a robot

[@Nicolay406]

I love it when 90% of the comments act more professional then the designers of ATHOS.

[@sssr1987sssr]

Отлично ! Надо создавать максимально сложные образцы техники )

[@kinostory]

да. полностью согласен.. намудрили просто пздц.. ахренеть.. Почему не сделать подачу с магазина как у автоматов или пулеметов?? нет надо млять роботизированную подачу прихирачить и т.п.

[@KIR2142]

@@kinostory почитать диванные комментарии, чуть ли не каждый гений инженерии и точно знает как правильно проектировать сложные артиллерийские и системы, а вокруг все дураки сидят.

[@kinostory]

@@KIR2142 гыгы.. уж я то знаю как проэктировать.. так что знаю о чем говорю

[@kinostory]

@@KIR2142 Вот например, простой пример лучшей организации мазагина снарядов - kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKm5hZahlrGgg80 Там он намного проще организован. Барабан, и подача с него, без всяких боковых движений лап и т.д. Так что я по сути сказал все. Глупо здесь организовано

[@id_Usher]

@@kinostory ну такую схему в сухопутном варианте сложнее реализовать. И она не намного проще.

[@ethanadkins4052]

noice! i didnt know that it was such a process, in the movies, it make it look like FIRE, NEW SHELL, FIRE AGAIN but its more complicated then i though, plus this is a heavy round

[@13bravoredleg18]

I need one of these! Still needs a 30 round magazine!

[@DearHobo]

We have DRDO ATAGS bt I think ATHOS Howizers are more reliable and light weight. Btw love a lot from India 🇮🇳 to Israel🇮🇱. Our friendship is unbreakable.

[@Igor-gt6vb]

I live in Israel and we love India. Friendship forever!

[@Igor-gt6vb]

@Digvijay Singh Yes, we know that Israeli systems are shit, and Indian made systems are number one in the World. :)

[@quinnmoore5985]

My only question really is if it is able to be completed manually operated still. Seems like a lot of parts to possibly wear or malfunction. I see a lot of vibration and wiggly bits

[@R1j0hn]

Even after 5 years in Artillery Cadets & becoming my Regiment's CWO, I still feel artillery is a dying breed and will likely be phased out by precision guided airstrikes.

[@PappyGunn]

That would be a mistake, there is never enough airpower to go around, Canada made the same mistake and artillery almost dissapeared. Then we went to Afghanistan and realized that artillery does have its advantages. Air support is not always on call (especially when it is not based in the same country), airpower is impermanent. We bought howitzers. And we also bought some Leopard tanks, after our armored corps almost dissapeared. Seems tank also have advantages over light mobile forces. The Army also got out of EOD (pre-Afghanistan) because they felt they were mobile and IEDs would not affect them. Yup, you gessed it, they got back into EOD right quick also.

[@jaggubhai44]

geography play a critical role.every war zone is diff. as an indian i think the bofors artillery gun and mirage 2000 planes are the two factors which decide victory on kargil conflict.

[@CousinJesse1]

An artillery shell probably costs a few hundred dollars each, but even cheap bombs & missiles cost tens of thousands at a minimum.

[@ckr3167]

When the loading system is more advanced than the gun

[@takeshikovach7885]

I was in artillery 9 years (USSR and Ukraine). The system is amazing. Why? It's all about details that non-professionals are unlikely to see. First of all, from H&S point of view. Although of course Hollywood has already come up with a better solution )))

[@supercat380]

First- class quality armaments from Israel!!!

[@rhsweden]

a clone copy of the swedish bofors 77

[@saarpaz4584]

...machine never gets tired...

[@tomasnordin9778]

Looks very much like our old Swedish Haubits 77.

[@laakona8381]

I can see so much that can and will go wrong with system when deployed.

[@alanbstard4]

so, Elbit just been caught spying on the Aussies. Naughty naughty

[@ZergRadio]

Wow those are the biggest bullets I have ever seen :)

[@Puzzoozoo]

Artillery has come a long way since the mid 19th Century.

[@danyleon4870]

The question is: will it be able to operate in manual if the auto reloading system fail?. Talking about robustness.

[@arkang258]

Имейте в виду , что данная Гаубица отрабатывает по целям, находясь в глубоком тылу, поэтому столь размеренная механическая загрузка тяжелой группы снарядов актуальна для данной модели, в работе с несколькими парами с поочерёдным залпом.

[@stevebean1162]

Everyone keeps mentioning the moving parts of the machine. I'm sure they have considered that weakness. There's a lot of factors involved in choosing a weapons system. Unless your the engineer or have had experience with it, I wouldn't criticize it so harshly for its reliability. There's a lot of modern machinery that appear very complex but are still used. Take a look at a modern car engine.

[@masternmargarita]

Loss of just one of these will break the bank

[@rounakbothra2087]

Very powerful artillery gun

[@asmus8313]

Гвоздика вам привет передает! ))

[@30-e_fevralya]

Ахах

[@Michael-ok4tm]

Вы лучшие!

[@ArchAngel549]

Wow!!...congrats for winning Indian Army artillery trials!!

[@coldstarter2560]

It seems to be too complicated, vulnerable & fancy. I doubt it's dependability in war chaos.

[@shitijsablania4995]

amrat bansal India's ATAGS is much better than this. 3 rounds in 14 seconds.

[@idharaa]

Yes, the Indian ATAGS can fire 6 round burst in 30 seconds with 45 km range; the only gun in the world in its category capable of doing that.

[@coldstarter2560]

Count it only when it gets operational we have seen similar claims for Arjun, Tejas, Trishul, Akash, Nag, etc etc etc. they have a never ending development schedule.

[@idharaa]

What do you mean by "operational"?

[@coldstarter2560]

baabaai I mean after winter trials, summer trials, autumn trials, day trials, night trials, mountain trial, desert trial, forest trials, beach trial then army user trials and comparative trials then initial operational clearance I II III IV..........n, final operational clearance I II III IV V..... and then.... That too if the requirements are not revised a hundred times by army and if if not a critical foreign component supplier gets blacklisted Then my friend then it will get operational Even after that if "we" can make it in sufficient numbers

[@operation4wheelz]

Looks like a maintenance nightmare

[@jonjonsson6323]

Where archer fires 8-9 rounds a minute on 2 people. Same bore diameter.

[@kennetheisenberg7197]

Artillery 155 mm IDF Yom Kippur War. We could do the 3 round test too, well not in 18 seconds, but in 30 for sure. The high-priced unit, like every other hi-tech toy, will in combat break down either by a near miss, crew exhaustion or any thing else. KISS.

[@whitoputratajjo2831]

Bravo Israel Iloveyou from Indonesia

[@proudlyvedic3410]

Really. Being from indonasia?

[@PupitoManuel]

Nothing will replace good 'ol towed 155 howitzers (all manual that is). This one seems too clunky, and too many "automated" parts. Seems too vulnerable to failing parts.

[@les07derEroberer]

towed artillery is only good if you dont get counter fire

[@mannyfernandez7028]

just like our brand new fire engine loaded with the latest automated parts even the on and off valve closer is automated.The first time we used it the valve got stuck so we have to go back to the fire station for our old trusty all-manual fire engine wc never failed us.Yes , too much automation isnt alway a good thing.

[@XoravaX]

All manual systems are faster than automated towed systems. At least trained FDF (conscript!) artillery squads can fire one round in 7 seconds with the Tampella/Patria 155 mm gun-howitzers - which share the same very quick breech mechanism with the Soltam/Elbit and Denel cannons (due to cooperation between Tampella, Soltam and Denel in the past). Also, towed systems can avoid counter-battery fire with dispersed positions. If a battalion of 18 cannons is dispersed wide enough, the battalion/battery firing the counter fire can disable just one piece at a time. That requires only more advanced computing systems to achieve, it's not really that difficult.

[@tanvirkabir4960]

It would be disabled by an EMP strike.

[@XoravaX]

Yeah, but to date there's just one way to produce a larger area EMP - nuclear explosion in ionosphere. The smaller flux generator EMP's produce just one millionth (0,001%) of the pulse energy compared to an ionospheric nuclear explosion.

[@brucereutens8730]

My next deer hunting gun right here.

[@roberiomagno973]

Poderia ter um carregador automático e ter uma cadência de tiro maior ... mas é uma bela peça de artilharia.

[@AF_Gulfstream]

Looks like it will fit in my backyard. I'll take one each.

[@m.r.6229]

Soldiers are scarce and expensive they can do more useful things elsewhere at least in the Israeli perspective and the overall loading time is faster as exclaimed by Elbit. This are the points.

[@Zinger896]

рэб удар красухи и все это будет просто железо))

[@majorchipidrons4436]

это тебе по тв расказали?.., дам дохуя пиздят... там даже уазик лучший в мире...

[@AdmitNone]

that dude in the front is a bad ass

[@abieker13]

new first time tech is great

[@ronaldobezerraserralheiro2370]

Muito bom o canhão 👍

[@nguyenngoc1344]

The average dog is a nicer person than the average person

[@PappyGunn]

Tastes better too, right?

[@DrRoxburgh3]

I would hate to see this thing be a replacement, its so much more fun to do it manually with your battle buddies, compete against other platoons and just simply find ways to make loading faster together.

[@magnushaggquist5075]

A perfekt copy of the swedish howitzer 77 developed in the seventies... (as a remark to the comments: it had similar loading system and never malfunctioned)

[@כלכלכתכתכל]

For fights in mountains 2500 - 3500 m.🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱 heights. For India.

[@businesswolf999]

India Israel all weather friendship long live....

[@007skumarajay]

@@businesswolf999 don't jump they're just doing business. I am an Indian.

[@msingh683]

We are developing our own ATAGS and artillery

[@apanhalder5719]

Love Israel ❣️💙 all time friendship with India.

[@mathexpress5004]

@@apanhalder5719 ore khankii

[@chandigarhspotter2345]

Hey ELBIT ever heard of ATAGS 😎

[@Ademaral1]

Armamento incrivel.

[@impguardwarhamer]

very cool and impressive, but even if this had alot of improvements with magazine capacity and full automation idk why you'd want this over a manual crew

[@mortil]

looks very much like the old Bofors 77B

[@JoaquinPhi]

The guy who is pushing the button looks very scary and thw other guy close to the weapon very calm watching to the front.😆

[@davidjohansson9741]

That's really old school

[@randelldarky3920]

Nice Cannon!

[@РенатРоссия-ь3е]

Классно всё быстро, удобно и вообще, но для войны слишком сложно как мне кажется.

[@РенатРоссия-ь3е]

@@vnazarenko а вы с какой целью интересуетесь!?

[@---ng9dc]

Система полный отстой. Долгое развертывание. Длительное обслуживание между выстрелами. Ручная зарядка картузов.

[@РенатРоссия-ь3е]

@@vnazarenko ваше повествование оказалось плодом ваших ложных умозаключений. У меня дед всю жизнь проработал в ОПК инженером и я много чего военного облазил в том числе и гаубиц! Я в младшей школе патроны на вкладыши менял! А в чем сегодня проблема увидеть оружие и технику!? Я в "Патриоте" два раза был, на Дмитровке в танковом музее, на "Поклонной горе"!! В чём суть вашего "повествования", в том что вы владеете опытом стрельбы из данного орудия во время бд!? Я же сказал, что предполагаю...

[@Nutznglory]

I find that manuel loading is better when under fire

[@rolandoesling6587]

The Philippines has 12 units now being used by the PH Marines. 12 self-propelled guns are coming.

[@АлексейЖуравлёв-д1н]

In Russia, guns with a caliber of 152 mm and higher among others can use nuclear shells. For example, a 152-mm 3БВ3 nuclear shell has a power of 2.5 Kt. Even a 1947 D-20 cannon can use this shell .

[@mattd476]

Guys this is skynet. Doesn't matter how slow it is. It will be used against us.

[@willfriar8054]

The shells weigh over a hundred pounds handling by normal people is slow. The propellant is relatively light and you need to be careful with it. Did you see how fast the rammer went in. They're not wasting any time. Some things are Faster by Manpower and not too likely to make a spark that will blow you into pink mist.

[@silvercipher9125]

I love this, can I own one in my backyard :D

[@botchedonce7159]

I went to get groceries, cleaned the house and wrote a novel before that thing got ready to fire.

[@darkknight-rp2ry]

Can these weapons protect us from zombies...everything is possible in nature ...

[@GeertWilders-dg9ui]

Elbit is also specialist in the production of security fences right? I heard that they made those large walls/fences at the israeli-egyptian border.

[@ejzen11]

Yep, not the fence itself, the sensors!

[@hans2406]

Geert Wilders #2017 And if works!

[@AL6S00740]

20 rounds per minute with a manual , 100mm gun with a 5+1 men crew. auto eject the casing , and works wonders , no electronics , pneumatics ,or anything the break. you just need a guy to press a lever. as much you complicate things the more the can and will break in battle.

[@hellavadeal]

I suppose that the parts that will need replaced or repaired often are cheaper than backs .

[@eduardogarchitorena4184]

Shout out 👍 good job 👍

[@mannyju2]

Two questions, have I: 1. Whose nephew got the contract to build that monstrosity for the military? 2. Who's that Bad Ass who doesn't even flinch from the concussion of the launched round?

[@skylark306]

Looks great When does this game come out

[@ButtcheekOnaStick]

Round runner/rammer on an M777. Few problems here. 1: a good crew can maintain the same rate of fire no problem. And we can do it for longer, as we can ready rack ALL rounds in emergencies and fire them all continuously without having to use a crane. 2: check firing. If the fire mission was bad, and the weapon auto fires, then it would send one more or two more bad rounds on target. 3: too reliant on tech. Tech is nice, but how is that gonna fire effectively and quickly during degraded fires? 4: in the event charges must be cut differently for each fire (using old bag charges like that), that will waste time, plus there is no magazine that autoloads those charges. So even if they were using up to date charges, they wouldn't be able to load them quickly like manual cannoneers or the Archer weapons system can.

[@nebuchadnejjar]

India is considering this Gun for purchase. How helpful will it be in rapid movement across deserts and in the Himalayas? Will the Gun’s complexity be hindrance in fine sand or snow capped topography?

[@johnp2863]

That weapon clearly says "fuck you" to the soldiers at the other side.

[@nikolai2855]

If everything becomes automatic in future we don't even need soldiers to fight

[@hans2406]

Nikolai Bandanov Very good thinking. Because that is exactly the reason more and more gets automated, people are "expensive" and not expendable any more.