ELDEN RING | 8 Mind Blowing Discoveries!

[@Ziostorm]

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[@colt4505]

Wait... Grace is not given by the Greater Will, it is given by Marika who is directly against the Greater Will. It's the exact opposite of what you said.

[@ryan3730]

Have you noticed the Elden Beast looks exactly like the Night Walker / Tree Spirit from Princess Mononoke? i.pinimg.com/originals/e9/ab/ec/e9abecb0cb81b3f108560a28eacab333.jpg

[@BestMeatBag]

Miquella’s hand positioning also reminds me of Berserk intro with the “God Hand” reaching upward around the eclipse (which i think is supposed represent the transition rebirth from Griffith to Femto) but Miquella is also in a transitionally rebirth? Similar imagery and themes

[@ernestoirrazabal6594]

The Haligtree is the house of Miquella, and Mohgwyn Palace is the place were Miquella currently resides, Miquella was/is working on Unalloyed Gold, a way to protect yourself from the influences of Outer Gods, this may be the reason why the Greater Will doesn't want you going to this places.

[@justinlefkowitz2413]

Came here to say this. Unalloyed gold has been shown to counteract the influence of the Outer Gods (the needle you give to Millicent is unalloyed gold and works to slow the rot)

[@KB13952]

Glad others came to the same conclusion miquellas needles prevent the influence of outer gods hence why the greater will can’t show you the path to the haligtree and his body is infused with this tree which is likely why it’s staving off the greater will in the palace

[@samalmond2321]

@@justinlefkowitz2413 Not only that but Miquella's needle is required to reverse the effects of the frenzied flame on the player if they interact with the three fingers.

[@justinlefkowitz2413]

@@samalmond2321 yeah I remembered that after I hit send, but I figured someone would eventually come along and add that part on. I think it was smoughtown that did a whole lore video on Miquella and the Unalloyed Gold's greater implications in the ER universe. It's really interesting

[@samalmond2321]

@@justinlefkowitz2413 I haven't watched any lore videos yet, I want to uncover as much as I can before on my own first, but I will certainly watch that video when the time comes.

[@phillipmitchell2254]

I'm 100% certain hitting yourself with your flail is the most historically and logically accurate thing in Elden Ring

[@calebtheholyman545]

It would be neat if the side effect of having a dex stat below the req for a flail was to hit yourself with it sometimes

[@vindicator879]

the flame flickering once again.... not enough blood yet shed... canst thou not see?

[@ATthemusician]

I recently used the flail to kill one of those crystal bosses, they're fun as hell to use

[@phillipmitchell2254]

@@ATthemusician I kinda feel like they need buffed to be on par with other weapons but the fun factor is def there yeah

[@InquisitorThomas]

Something worth noting is that Both Mohg and Malenia’s Shards of the Elden Ring are notably corrupted by the influence of the Formless Mother/Lord of Rot as seen in their Great Rune descriptions and appearances. Perhaps the Great Will saw that those two sharps were corrupted and not worth putting back in the ring at risk of infecting the entire order.

[@alastor8091]

You can see it on Rykard's rune too. Its got a weird squiggle on it reminiscent of a snake.

[@chugjug6954]

aren't the formless mother and rot god different entities?

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@chugjug6954 they are I just used the dash because because what I was saying was interchangeable for either rune.

[@doug7897]

@@alastor8091 Yeah now that you mention it it's odd that Rykard is "on the menu" but I guess Eiglay isn't and outer god and so doesn't have enough influence to conceil him from the grace?

[@deimosvalentine]

Not to mention Rykard's shard corrupted by Eiglay, also known as the God Devouring Serpent.

[@socialjihad5724]

I don't know if we should be certain that the guidance of grace comes from the greater will...Marika herself seemed to be at one time able to freely give and remove Grace, and Im not sure there's enough evidence that the greater will is attempting to directly influence the actions in game, at least at this point. I think it's also worth looking into where Grace DOES point rather than just where it doesn't, since it appears that Grace also guides you to Ranni, Sellia?(Caelid has an interesting grace pattern), Castle Morne, Castle Sol. Interesting start and end points for a lot of these, and I'd like to think it's not just developer oversight

[@Ziostorm]

Good point

[@TSpoon823]

I thought about Castle Morne too. It definitely seems to send you in important directions, but not always to shard bearers.

[@Dan_ModernDayViking]

That Salvador Dali painting correlation is a really cool find! It's interesting to note that Dali was a very influential surrealism artist with a lot of emphasis on dream symbolism. It's safe to surmise that that particular painting is representing a transitional period in person's life or perhaps also a societal one in a chrysalis stage before an age of awakening or enlightenment. This would also fit nicely with the butterflies and moths as a metaphor for metamorphosis into a higher beings that Miquella and Melania both undergo to become gods. As a reference on society it also reflects their ideals as transitioning from dreams to being fully realized. Something that is as of yet waiting further progression as Melania awaits her brother and as we the fan base also await possible continuation of their story in DLC. It can be seen as an egg in a womb before birth as well as a cocoon that transforms.

[@suicidalkangarooz]

In my interpretation the guidance of grace is thanks to Marika, not the Greater Will. Clearly the Greater Will doesn't want us becoming Elden Lord, but Marika wants the Tarnished to get into the Erdtree, so it makes more sense that she activated the Guidance of Grace, not the Greater Will. That's my interpretation, at least. Although the Mohgwyn/Haligtree thing is interesting to think about.

[@khandimahn9687]

Makes sense. More sense than the Greater Will making the guides.

[@suicidalkangarooz]

@@khandimahn9687 Honestly, I'm not reading too much into where the graces guide you, as while there is lore reason for the existence of the guidance, I think there's practical functionality that just guides players to the most important stuff in a region that isn't worth looking too deeply into. I mean the guidance guides you to Castle Morne and while it kicks off the Frenzied Flame stuff, there's no good reason for Marika to send you there. Same with Caria manor. I think the Consecrated Snowfield is the confusing endgame area meant to test your exploration and that's why graces don't guide you anywhere.

[@youtubevoice1050]

Unless grace guides you to conflict?

[@onyxonikuma4878]

@@suicidalkangarooz I would agree but if you watch godfreys cutscene when hes talking to margitt he has a guidence of grace pointing right at you, so there is lore to it to some degree

[@chainclaw07]

Malenia and miquellas haligtree was hidden to Gideon who served Marika/the greater will. So Grace couldn't guide us there, Gideon doesn't know where Mohg was hiding either, only that a shardbearer was called Lord of blood.

[@frowningmirror8097]

It's not just Malenia that is associated with butterflies. Her butterfly is the aeonian butterfly, Miquella's butterfly seems to be the Nascent butterfly based on the description, and the smouldering butterfly is probably a reference to Melina. Melina's clothes are found near Malenia, you could say shes cursed with being "burned and bodiless", shes almost certainly of Radagon with her red hair and heavily implies Marika is her mother, making all three empyreans. Butterflies also represent death, and all three seem to have ties to some aspect of life and death

[@youtubevoice1050]

Metamorphosis, rather than death. The trio is birth, rot and death. Melina, the kindling maiden, represents destined death.

[@iAmCalypso33]

Subterranean shunting grounds was one of my favorite areas of the game. I loved being confined in the maze like tight sewers. I also enjoyed the frustration of the area, it made it very intense amd engaging for me.

[@nolongerhuman13]

Well done!! The biblical tie in is an ace move. Shows how many pools of thought you are dipping into. Phenomenal ! 👍🏻💪🏻💯🙏🏻

[@UltimateVegetto]

I think a big reason why butterflies are associated with Malenia is because they themselves are beautiful, but associated with rot. Some species of butterfly even rely heavily on carrion as a source for food and break down rotting corpses.

[@noname-yd3zo]

I have a theory - Rennala at one point change her creeps into tombstones, the same as you see inside a giant trolls, so it's likely was used for replacing their minds

[@D3DJigsaw]

check out my lore and theory video on the fire giants if you want to see more about that.

[@itsm9818]

Huhhhh?

[@themissionary58]

Great observation

[@PlatinumBat97]

Creeps?

[@Enneamorph]

In addition to the Miquella painting correlation, it should be noted that the pelvis there is not for decoration. Both of these images, of Miquella and the painting, are _uterine ruptures._ I’m no OB/GYN, so I can’t explain the implications behind this, but I do know that it’s no coincidence. About Scarlet Rot + Butterflies: It seems that death + butterflies is a pervading theme in fiction. Shinobu, the swordswoman with a poisoned rapier in Demon Slayer, has her poison represented as butterflies a few times (among other insects, which also lines up with her being the Insect Pillar), and black butterflies across the world are either considered souls of the dead or omens of death.

[@emirkobble3782]

I noticed something really strange at the beginning and the end of the Game. The tarnished seems to wake up in an area, similar to the insides of the erdtree as you can clearly See a white yellowish light plus the surroundings that look exactly like the insides of the erdtree maybe there is a Connection and someone could figure it out

[@Nexe-]

hm? what do you mean

[@arcanefire7511]

That could be beyond the sea of fog, as that's where the guidance first reaches us, but who knows. I also wonder why the game starts in the chapel of anticipation and how we get teleported to the cave of knowledge after we die to the grafted scion or fall from the cliff.

[@emirkobble3782]

@Arcanefire75 yeah i thought so aswell maybe the see of fog is like a pocket dimension of the erdtree. The Souls that die traverse a sort of limbo to be reborn. And maybe the tarnished must also traverse this „pocket dimension“ to arrive to the Lands between.

[@romerobritto9094]

Something that has always intrigued me in the game's intro is the relationship of image and text when the tarnished is evoked to rise from death and a catacomb is shown (a mist falls from what look like incense burners, forming a "sea of ​​fog" over the many bodies). The scene of our hero meeting grace may indeed take place inside the erdtree, depicting our soul communing with grace and being resurrected in the chapel of anticipation.

[@connorbate9523]

@@arcanefire7511 so I thought about this one but looking at a map, the chapel of anticipation is off the coast so if the scion kills you it throws your body off the side, but if you win you go down the path and fall anyway so in some way you land in the sea and wash into the cave somehow or are found and thrown in there (the pits you see dotted about Limgrave.

[@AndrewBrownK]

Has anyone else noticed the woman in the haligtree at 9:25? I haven't seen anyone discuss this yet. It seems like she is holding a a spherical vacancy, probably where Miquella's cocoon was meant to stay. It's in almost the perfect position to resemble the woman being pregnant. Maybe the pelvis bone fits the tree too?

[@chichocooks]

I thought the same but thought initially it was miquella's face in the tree. But your explanation makes a lot more sense

[@beastren]

@@chichocooks i'm still so sure it's miquella. don't forget his interesting gender ambiguity regarding st. trina, he's always been an androgynous figure.

[@chichocooks]

@@beastren that's an excellent point.

[@acrab6527]

@@beastren He wasn't gender ambiguous. People didn't know if Trina was a boy or a woman, because sometimes they saw Miquella and sometimes they saw Malenia, as they traveled together. I'd just reckon the woman in the tree is probably the god of life and abundance, who chose Miquella, rather than the god of rot that chose Malenia. There's so many sets of twins in this game, the gods that chose twins are probably also twins.

[@beastren]

@@acrab6527 are u familiar with fromsoft games at all?? gender ambiguity is a very very common thing. there are so many examples of it in elden ring alone. if u can't see that then i'll just let you be. hope you figure it out.

[@SocraTetris]

Glad the Dali Painting tip made it in a video! (Also, using Seppuku ash of War wearing the deathbed dress does constant damage to yourself over time. It's crazy).

[@TreLupe]

I want a dlc for miquella and the formless mother also think they should add a seal for the blood incantations.

[@mrrd4444]

The Guidance Of Grace is so interesting because as someone else said, it could be the Greater Will, but it ALSO could be Marika. So Marika not wanting you to find Miquella, who was in both of these places, would align with the theory she wants Outer God influence gone, and doesn't want Miquella harmed because he is the Empyrian most able to remove the influence of Outer Gods.

[@AC-hj9tv]

The Dali painting part was wild

[@willayala5768]

I bought a Tshirt from the Dali museum with that painting on it.

[@gilvanvieira1815]

I think the reason scarlet rot is so associated with butterflies is simple.Malenia is the one associated with butterflies just like Miquella,so the rot takes the form or try to create life based on its vessel,kinda like how Elden Beast is said to be the order while Golden Order is Marika's version of it.

[@SpectraLight]

Always hear people say they hate the subterranean shunning grounds, I'm sure the intended vibe and atmosphere is supposed to be a drag and aesthetically dreary. So for what they were going for I think they nailed this zone, I really like it from a level design perspective. From a fun perspective? Sure yeah it can be a pain in the ass so i do get it. Definitely my favorite "sewer" or "gross underground" level they've ever made personally though.

[@SmoughTown]

I love the area. So well designed and full of lore. But I've always loved the poison swamp areas and underground ones...

[@SpectraLight]

@@SmoughTown Same, maybe we're just masochists for oppressive From levels XD

[@Ziostorm]

That’s surprising, maybe I just didn’t pay close attention but I did not have a good time there😂

[@SpectraLight]

@@Ziostorm Oh i get that, I think you're supposed to have a bad time there lol, I just like it from a design perspective.

[@shreks_loins3963]

The flail self bonk is hilarious

[@atallwhiteguy]

That explains why I felt butterflies in my stomach when I met Malenia for the first time.

[@jackreacher7495]

I feel like the butterflies being closely tied to Scarlet Rot is because the Rot, if looked at in a positive light, is the essence of the cycle of death and rebirth - that is to say, decay. Butterflies are often associated with metamorphosis, and life cycles - either their own or being part of the food chain. All of which results in the butterfly returning to the earth in order to become a deathbed for new life to flourish. I think from a lore perspective the butterflies are avatars of the scarlet rot like the Erdtree is for the Greater Will. But beyond that it's more symbolic to me

[@istaphobe]

1 makes sense, fia’s hug de-buffs your health, clearly she’s the god of death, so all she touches brings one closer to death, even her clothes.

[@Her0infath3r]

This is interesting. I’ve found with the deathbed dress If you use the seppuku ash of war in ur right hand you will constantly take damage and show stagger. It’s really funny.

[@v-maxbromly7502]

If you use sepuku with the deathbed dress, you will keep getting stunned and taking small amounts of damage until the buff runs out, this will also kick you out of sites of grace and hits allies as well.

[@v-maxbromly7502]

This also damages NPC

[@NeoFluchs]

I love the metroid music in all those videos

[@dustinleebladesmith9135]

If you've ever seen Elfen Lied you can immediately notice the resemblance of the main character of that show to a certain waterfowl dance using swordswoman.

[@jareddebeast]

Imagine when Miquella wakes up completely confused about how they got there and then return home only to find their sister killed and guards laid low

[@r3ken172]

Man the dragon lord got one tapped while every actual dragon took a bit for me

[@talvarado212]

Giving Vaati a run for his money! Great vid

[@AxceRigger]

I guess for why scarlet rot is associated with butterflies is that they eat rotting corpse. Example emperor butterflies they eat dead rotting things, for the map to be butterfly shape and scarlet rot to be associated with butterflies that makes sense to me at least.

[@M.A.R.S.]

9:25 how did I JUST notice that the roots make a person-looking thing on the right?

[@RandomLord1992]

2 things. Grace doesn't lead you to Mohg so it's also not leading you to Miquella. Thing is, Grace does lead you to Morgot. If Grace ignorea those that are affiliated with other outer gods. That means Miquella's eternal youth is caused by one but the Omen Curse is not. 2 , butterflies are see as symbols of transformation. Places with rot do support fungal life and there is the whole flower thing Malenia has when awakening her power and a rot incantation. So maybe there is more to the rot and rot god than just festering destruction

[@nanyabusiness4342]

i basically think the reason the grace sites dont point to mohg/malenia is simply due to them being secret/optional bosses, but thats just my opinion

[@Voitan]

In regards to the golden light guiding you, another common thread to why it might not want you to see Malenia, or Mohg, is because it will lead you to Miquella, or his golden needle.i

[@fateseldenring4310]

0:30 I believe Deathbed dress is somewhat bugged. It damages the player by 2 hp per tick when Seppuku is active as well. I recorded the interaction in my video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hmLZkH-gaceXlc0

[@neerkum5428]

woah, blight town over the shunning grounds? that's a HOT take rt

[@AlvaTheWayfaringKnight]

Flagilation maybe? Self punishment usually by whips for sin. A religious thing which fits well along with the death idea.

[@vierizona5772]

I have a speculation how we go to Mohgwyn palace, not through portal or Mohg's servant Varre, but through defeating Radahn Not only give a crater to Nokron, but also he himself before death, he jump and self destruct in Radahn's Boss Area, create a crater, and he also death with a blast! just a speculation

[@cfh23666]

Heh the flail and the mace were super funny when I met rya . I stood too close and she had to deploy the shield because the spikes were poking her lol

[@hirigiodragondtk4758]

FIA is the deathbed companion she enhances death chances, the charm is an example so why not the dress

[@risshizentsukuyomi]

If Radahn was holding back a meteor that could open a path to Mohgwyn Palace, then it makes sense for Malenia to try and challenge Radahn in order to defeat him, all in order to rescue Miquella from Mohg

[@porkjuices8365]

Problem is he was taken while Malenia was fighting Radahn probably for his shard

[@davedoodledude]

Miquella’s cocoon/egg is also likely a berserk reference

[@alastor8091]

Bro what? The shunning grounds are freaking great! Its a real labyrinth and makes you feel like you're trudging through a sewer. Its like the depths but more fleshed out.

[@Mangfera]

In Greek mythology, butterflys are a symbol of decay and rebirth.

[@colorgreen8728]

We should have the nokstellan black moon spell

[@mavrickindigo]

Miquella's position is reminiscent of a uterine rupture

[@RebelOfTheNorm242]

Melanie was Nurgles Champion…The Great Grandfather is not pleased

[@jokerledger5400]

I find it interesting that it stated Melania bloom three times she will become the goddess and how it heavily associate with butterflies. Since a butterfly also go through three stages of life to become one, it mirror how Melania need to broke out of her shell, or bloom three times to emerge as a full fledged goddess.

[@captain6581]

miquella egg relation looks like a world map (the painting)

[@codymcginnis9990]

Wearing the Deathbed Dress and using Seppuku will continuously damage your character for a significant amount of time.

[@Greaseball01]

Hey I haven't verified this but I think mountaintops of the giants has it's own version of the golden leaves thing from the erdtree where you get buffed but it's red cinders instead, not sure if it has the same ffect but I noticed when I was playing a few days ago that my character got red coloured buff and I had the pickled fowl foot symbol like with the golden leaves effect but it was just red cinders around me in mountaintops so, might be a thing and an interesting detail since it's supposed to be outisde of the erdtree's power.

[@beastren]

i think those just appear as you get closer to the forge

[@Ihatethegooncave]

"You can't hear pictures" thumbnail: TOGETHAAAAA

[@blakodesu3769]

Maybe the Outer God of Rot is a giant butterfly, like the Elden Beast is an allucigenia type of animal.

[@launchbase4944]

I think the outer god of rot is a scorpion because of the Scorpion's Stinger dagger. the item description does say it was forged of a relic depicting said outer god

[@mikeestill1672]

You have the same narration as TrueUnderDawg during his MK11 videos.

[@tnegil4754]

While the Dali painting and Miquella definitely share a lot of similarities he is even more similar to a uterine rupture. It's commonly shown with a hand sticking out of the womb and even has the pelvis underneath exactly like Miquella

[@ataridc]

In other words they could have both just been inspired anatomical drawings or something along those lines

[@acrab6527]

Especially since there's a giant pregnant woman made of wood with it's pregnant belly ripped out in the Haligtree.

[@Er404ChannelNotFound]

Deathbed Dress thing is defo a glitch. It likely has to do with its unique property.

[@mentalwig420]

Am I the only person that enjoyed exploring the subterranean shunning grounds? (First souls like I played is Elden Ring)

[@hankskorpio5857]

Yoooooo theres another weird Dali egg painting thats waaaaay more relevant!!!!! Metamorphosis of Narcissus!!!! Look it up its a reference to an ancient greek story about an underworld god stealing the child of a god to be his consort. She bites a fruit with bloody pulp and is sealed away there for eternity...

[@Ziostorm]

Oooh good find

[@hatedfollower]

The discoveries are never ending!

[@meph1570]

what i don't quite get is that Ranni hates the shackles of fate, yet she ordered her subordinates to defeat Radahn so the stars of fate could continue to move. i mean, if she hates fate then why bother? Radahn is the one who seems to no like the shackles of fate by stopping the stars altogether.

[@inakilukac]

Wait what? people don't like the subterranean shunning grounds?!?!?! I love that place, it has excellent level design and interconnectivity, very varied enemy encounters, the background music is fantastic, the lore is really good as well, and while the scale is massive and navigating it can be difficult, there are a lot of shortcuts and tricks that let you get around faster. The only real drawback in my opinion is that they absolutely overdid it with the amount of Omens you have to fight.

[@monkeysoulz]

Super cool stuff, actually new and exciting Unlike that last vaati video, sadly

[@finnanani9218]

2:36 I don’t think you’ve been through blightown if your making this comparison. Shunning grounds is a pretty easy area Don’t do blighttown an injustice

[@gabrielpellegrini7666]

What is the armor that you are using when you did the subterranean Skip?

[@Ziostorm]

Zamor set

[@gabrielpellegrini7666]

@@Ziostorm thanks, great video

[@DeCode343]

Can we please talk about how we saw Miquella in the trailer, the statues in haligtree, with Melania hugging him. He was so small. Mohg carried him in his palm, we saw Melania in person, she is not that tall. This arm that hangs out the egg. Thats at least already not Miquella anymore. Out of this egg its more like an arm stretching out of... ... The nowhere Mohg rams his spear and hand into?! ... Other opinions?

[@khandimahn9687]

If you angle your camera correctly, you can just make out a face in the cocoon. Miquella was trying to rid himself of the curse of eternal youth. While the exact details of how that was supposed to work is debatable, it is clear he encased himself in the cocoon to somehow facilitate growth. We have no idea what would have emerged if Mohg had left him alone. But Mohg took the cocoon. I believe Miquella's gestation was corrupted, likely on purpose to make him a better consort for Mohg. But it looks like the result went badly.

[@lolnation9303]

Imagine fighting that 2 headed dragon with all 5 heads :) plas was a godamn demon and I loved him.

[@pasqualelandolfo3732]

guys can i ask you a question? why the grace leads us to the fire giants if our intention is to burn the erdtree which i think is not what the greater will wants

[@eternalnate]

This game was at at a point just a month after release where basically everything was discovered. I watch these videos about "new discoveries" but they are all the same old discoveries.

[@Willow4526]

more and more people are slowly dredging up the peaces that help go to show the true story I believe I've already discovered. the guidance of grace is something Marika has set up, not the greater will. she is directing us to challenge and destroy the order of gold she set up, so that other outer gods, like that of Malenia and Mohg are able to take hold, hence why she doesn't direct us to them.

[@22demitria]

The queen's bedchamber has stone slabs with engravings. Could it be a reference to the ten commandments? The greater will gave its orders through it?

[@Mungadungalis]

The flail thing is self-flagellation.

[@lukiedadukieable]

Butterflies feed on decay

[@dillonrobinson2179]

Isn't it contradictory for the greater will to give you guidance on your journey to become elden Lord. But at the same time make it a cardinal sin to enter the tree. Maybe I'm missing something

[@AarturoSc]

Can we just discuss how Mogh wanting to be Miquella’s consort is all kinds of fucked in more than a couple ways?!

[@okwaho5316]

Butterflies represent rebirth.

[@jeambeam3173]

I wonder if anyone from other species have ever became Elden Lord

[@jeremyphillips3087]

That lillith / ranni / dark moon connection is a bit of a stretch

[@robertpayne3932]

In the Dahli painting, he is coming out 9f the earth not an embryo... you can clearly see South America and africa

[@winkiedinkie1452]

The first one is a Farnese reference from berserk…if u get what I mean…

[@yourfriendthemaggot457]

Counterpoint: The Subterranean Shunning-Grounds are one of the best level designs From's ever done.

[@buttqueef9900]

butterflies each relate to one of the 'M' characters (that aren't omens) aeonian - Malenia nascent - Miquella burning - Melina

[@amateurasian]

placid probably wasn't originally a dragon and just some hungry tarnished munching too much dragon heart until he became one

[@launchbase4944]

those turn you into magma wyrms also he's from before the tarnished existed

[@ricklubbers7761]

Why is NOBODY mentioning the place where Miquellas cocoon was stolen from?! The hole in the roots IS a womb and theres a torso and a face connected to it. You can get the best look at it in both of Malenia's cutscenes.

[@drewb1979]

Nice! What a cool detail.

[@evanis012]

The flail thing is almost certainly a glitch, as the deathbed dress has a glitch where it can spread damaging effects to the player and their allies. If you use the flail glitch near a friendly player, they get hit too.

[@chaoticstarfish3401]

But how would it possibly have that effect if it was never intended? Idk how coding really works, but shouldn't you be immune to your own attacks by default?

[@evanis012]

@@chaoticstarfish3401 you should be, but it seems to have something to do with the regen effect on the dress. My guess is that the dress applies some kind of spell-like effect behind the scenes, and in doing so somehow allows effects to combine with it or follow it. That would explain why it can damage allies that are nearby, but outside of melee range.

[@bofa722]

Yeah I've also seen an invader kill enemies in my world with the glitch, pretty funny. He used a glitch with the deathbed dress and holy ground to damage em

[@AZ-ul8zd]

Nah Just Fia’s little habit of SM

[@blubeard6914]

It would be interesting for a bleed or poisonous build. Proc build up on yourself so that last hit does extra damage to enemy.

[@xinderx1039]

In addition to the Aeonian Butterfly, there is also a rarer Nascent Butterfly, which according to its item description "appears as if it's just emerged from its cocoon for its entire life." a clear link to Miquella. Edit: On that same topic, Nascent Butterflies are used to create items that boost your immunity, robustness, and focus. This would be irrelevant, but Miquella can stave off the influence of outer gods, or in other words: Scarlet Rot (Nameless), Bleed (Formless), and Madness (Regression)

[@hoeraufist]

Also indicates something is up with thr smoldering butterflies. Likely associated with Melina.

[@dancreary3340]

Makes me wonder about the one at the chapel of anticipation...

[@arandomlego5826]

Rarer my butt I’ve never found a aeonion one but I have a million nascents

[@xinderx1039]

@@arandomlego5826 they're all over the place in Lake of Rot, Swamp of Aeonia, and the bottom of the Haligtree

[@jayrodriguez7109]

@@arandomlego5826 too scared to venture caelid huh? Hahaha

[@alliebonesVODs]

6:00 Ancient dragons taking less damage from these weapons has a basis in the lore - The item description for Dragonwound Grease tells us, "When the dragons were born from their ancient kin, they lost their stone scales, which can now be used to cause them mortal harm." Additionally, Dragonwound Grease is crafted using Gravel Stone, which says "Such compound stones, found in lands once beset by ancient dragons, are said to be the scales of those very beasts."

[@datking8762]

That geopoliticus child observation is insane. Never would have realized that without this video

[@ataridc]

I would say the similarities are kind of superficial to the point that the modeler could have been inspired by the painting or it could just be a coincidence

[@draghettis6524]

About the link between the Scarlet Rot and those insects, I saw a comment somewhere that stated these butterflies look very much like a real-world insect, a parasitic one that makes, if I recall correctly, apple trees rot when infecting them.

[@takeachance5881]

And since ER has a lot of tree-related references/artistic choices/parallels, this theory is all the more likely.

[@notjay9794]

Very symbolic of a rot butterfly destroying the golden order and rotting the erdtree

[@bunniesandthorns]

Something also to note: I saw a post on twitter highlighting that Malenia's armature has a butterfly decoration detailed on it. So perhaps the butterfly link was already known and accepted by the twins. The Nascent Butterfly also seems to represent Miquella; a butterfly that naturally looks like it just emerged from a cocoon its whole life, and associated with sleep. Miquella, being eternally young, who formed a cocoon to metamorphosize into his adult form, and is associated with St.Trina of sleep and dreams, best symbolizes this.

[@BrassPetals3Voices]

Just as the Aeonian Butterfly is associated with Malenia I think the Nascent Butterfly Is associated with Miquella: “This butterfly appears as if it's just emerged from its cocoon for its entire life.”

[@Bliss467]

And the flaming butterfly with Melina

[@Ahrpigi]

nascent meaning "just coming into existence and beginning to display signs of future potential", it seems like a slam dunk for Miquella. especially with him going into the Haligtree like a cocoon.

[@BrassPetals3Voices]

For that matter the Smoldering Butterfly could be associated with Radagon - in alchemy terms and he being half the Rebus (sol, fire), leading up to the Rebus are the two stages of putrefaction (wet earth warm rot) and purification (wet air cool purifying) could be represented by Malenia and Miquella. Butterflies are transitional creatures so it makes sense that these three butterfly types in ER could be associated with Radagon, Malenia and Miquella. In ER the alchemical process seems to be presenting backwards though, an undoing of each stage by degrees so it makes sense having putrefaction and purification happen *after* the rebus instead of before.

[@frowningmirror8097]

@@BrassPetals3Voices Radagon doesn't seem to be associated with fire. He hates the fire giants, is weak to fire, only uses holy / physical attacks, and is dedicated to the outer god of order. He also isn't cursed. Also butterflies are associated with death Melina is a better fit, she basically checks all these boxes in some way or another.

[@BrassPetals3Voices]

For sure - game wise it doesn’t quite track except for passing references (the red hair curse/fire giants). Bit of a stretch for that one.

[@flakey414]

Do people really dislike the Shunning Grounds? For me that was one of the highlights of the game, really didn't expect something so expansive hiding below an already large legacy dungeon. Loved it, perfect juxtaposition to the shining gold facade above.

[@rohsouto]

Me too. I hate far more swamps and lava areas.

[@bradleyfitzik2447]

I liked it too. Totally surprised me the first time I went down there. Was expecting just a few tunnels linking to different areas of the above capital city. And finding frenzied flame and mogh down there completely blew me away.

[@auto1nfanticid3]

I loved it. beyond feeling like classic fromsoft level design its also one of my favorite places to do invasions. after spending countless hours there I know it like the back of my hand.

[@wzx6x6z6w]

If FS didn't just shove a pack of freaking mini bosses inside it, I would have liked it.

[@auto1nfanticid3]

@@wzx6x6z6w if you think the omens are mini bosses then my prescription for you is to git gud. if youre talking about the lobsters then just run and pray.

[@entroponetics]

the flail thing is the game having you bonk yourself for wearing a horny "armor" set

[@mt2r-music]

I really like how your facts/discoveries haven’t been covered yet. You’re not just telling us things other channels have already. Been here since the bloodborne playthrough keep up the good work.

[@b.pineapple2252]

butterflies feed on dead and rotting animals. it makes sense for them to embrace the presence of scarlet rot; malenia is effectively providing a food source. symbolically, though, there’s so much going on with the butterfly association. either way, practically or emblematically, it’s the perfect symbol for the Rot Goddess.

[@ataridc]

Sick little bastards

[@acrab6527]

The much simpler explanation. Malenia, Miquella, and butterflies all go into a cocoon and come out something else.

[@wzx6x6z6w]

They also feed on feces, so you can say they are the real Dung Eater of this game.

[@bofa722]

@@wzx6x6z6w in other words... Dung Eater could be the outer god of rot 🤔

[@youtubevoice1050]

Butterflies mainly feed on nectar and take in other liquids containing minerals. They primarily represent metamorphosis, which Empyreans can undergo to become actual gods. Miquella (birth/rejuvenation and sleep - the brother of death), Malenia (rot) and Melina (destined death) together form the circle of life. All three have their dedicated butterfly.

[@spandytube]

On that last point of Scarlet Rot and Malenia: butterflies symbolize the life cycle and metamorphosis. Malenia dies and is reborn each time she blooms and Miquella is in a kind of cocoon waiting to be reborn. It's interesting that there are no black butterflies or moths, which represent death, making the two of them more symbolic of life and hope than that of death.

[@spicy5845]

Actually there are black butterflies. It's the Nascent Butterflies, you can also find them in Nokron.

[@youtubevoice1050]

The third butterfly is the smouldering one, which represents the kindling maiden, Melina (another daughter of Marika). She is the one destined to cross paths with destined death (as gloam-eyed queen). Her dagger, the blade of calling reveals these links.

[@chrishenderson666]

caterpillars eat toxic plants irl