🥊Election Debate: BOSA vs ATM on immigration, education, Eskom & SOEs, funding, coalitions, economy

[@_SMWX]

Ayeye! Thanks for watching! 🔥

[@thabelofortune]

AYEYE! 🙌🏾

[@oreomario]

One will be a very educated voter for this upcoming elections,thanks to SMWX. Spread the fire,feed the mind😅🔥🔥

[@mduduzimaphasa7973]

Valid points from Ayanda as always , she should be in Parliament

[@TshedzaMadula-wl5ne]

This atm guy is great. He really surprised me. I lean more to Bosa policies and I might be voting for them but I hope atm do well

[@siyabongantokozo2749]

I loved the rather collaborative nature of this debate between ATM and BOSA. It shows that if they were to be in a coalition, they would be able to prioritize the needs of the people of SA, because they already agree on the fundamental principles for governing a country. SA needs such people who can put aside their differences to focus on a common goal (prospering SA), not political parties that are looking to feed their own interests more than those of the country that they have been entrusted to govern. Thank you to the SMWX team for making it possible for us to have access to such an educational platform. And thank you to ATM and BOSA for availing themselves. ATM has won this one for me.

[@luyolomfaneksenizulu4997]

Vuyo Zungula of ATM became the youngest member of the cabinet and youngest leader of a political party at just 34 years of age. With those two seats they got in 2019 , they have since made an impression. I hope they will do enough to retain or get 1 or 2 more seats

[@MotlokwaThwii]

Youngest member of the cabinet and Youngest leader of a political party at just 34 years of age AS OF 2022. That last part is very important. Remember Malema lead EFF to 25 Sits at just 33 years of age in 2014. Let's be factually accurate in giving credit. All credit to Vuyo Zungula nonetheless. He is one of our own, and I wish ATM growth in 2024 elections.

[@FlorenceSeptember]

I love the ATM . this young man speaks the same language as his leader, South Africa's first, ❤

[@Sips-Mngam3]

The views and points mentioned by these Two are vitally influential to and for developing young minds, with the one common value of making SA🇿🇦 #1. Thank You SMWX

[@qavanemandilakhe8568]

What a healthy debate with two young bright minds 🤝🏾🤝🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@onekeitumetse4628]

Great debate 👌 enjoyed the conversation....keep it up guys.

[@banelezulu8092]

If I had to pick between the two, it would be the ATM but I wouldn't be happy with my choice. This seems like a debate between the DA and ANC.

[@zwakelemthalane6712]

I was impressed by this conversation. Thank you.

[@mpilompanza9101]

Great debate. We have learnt a lot however some questions were still not answered sufficiently. This may be a result of not going into deeper detail about their action plans to save/changing our level of education, improving public healthcare and improving/developing new public infrastructure. Nonetheless these parties seem to have decent people and would love to give them my vote as a young person. We are sick and tired of criminals in suites as MPs

[@collinphahlane7527]

It’s not poor South African problem that their countries are not working.

[@Mafikizolo-ft8qi]

She's not living in SA. How can you say parents should fund our schools when there's so many people dependent on grants. She's advocating for private sector in our SOE's. Bosa is mini da. Thank you ATM for speaking sense. Vote ATM

[@NgolaNalane]

SOEs is a money pit. You wouldn't use their services either if it wasn't put down your throat

[@jimnkosi9112]

Anything that is being built in our country 🇿🇦 belongs to South African because they used our minerals, we should repossessed it, that's why Nigerian high jack buildings and now they are planning to take land....vuka M'africa

[@japrosper7240]

Can we park politicians and look for intelligent people who can administrate and govern. This country needs a visionary that will salvage it from the crisis we are finding ourselves in.. We are in a kakhuis and for 30 years these politicians are only interested to retain and or grab the trough to themselves.

[@gommabangani6441]

How are spaza shops going to reduce unemployment?

[@user-kx8uj1sl5v]

In interested in this cos we have our family shop at home but my brother gave it to Spakistans,and l think l need it,

[@leilahakulinen]

I would rather by groceries from Spaza shops owned by legit South African 🇿🇦 people who are VAT registered and, therefore, contribute to the Tax Revenue 👍

[@Mafikizolo-ft8qi]

Foreign owned spaza shops do not hire a single South African. They don't support any other South African business. They only remove money from the local economy!

[@mlungisimthanti8017]

They will reduce unemployment by providing jobs to South African citizens who are known and accounted for in unemployment statistics and home affairs, most foreign spaza shop owners are illegal, and unknown to the government and our statics. They work unregulated and don't have bank accounts where they store money. If more South Africans were to won spaza shops they would definitely be regulated and the suppliers they source the food & products from will be know also, foreign spaza owners manufacture these products, that means they are counterfeit goods that also negatively impacts on the economy as government is not collecting revenue for these products and the companies that produces them. Some of these products have killed people even, South African children. The overall supply chain of spaza shops will be back in the hands of South Africans, so many jobs will be created my guy.

[@NinohBrown]

Early 2000 i remember i used to buy most of my families immediate items from our local spaza shops (Thandabantu Cash and Carry, we even had black owned butcheries), all were hiring locals. We cannot as black people be happy to have a Shoprite/Usave or foreign owned spazas in our townships we need Black retailers. Have you asked yourself how much a Shoprite gets from government for disembursing SASSA grants or their deals easypay or the money they get for Cashbacks?

[@tiehomothibe9809]

Fortunately as am MK member I do not have to watch debates to find out what they stand for on key issues, everything is clear with MK, BOSA has too many red flags, color lines this and that, South Africa is a country with a racial history and inequality and these have to be fixed, I am now convinced that they are DA light from this debate. ATM would be the better option for me.

[@MotlokwaThwii]

You need to watch debates mchana. Even if you're certain that you'll vote MK. Don't be allergic to information. What's MK's stance on Education besides sending pregnant kids to Roben Island?

[@NgolaNalane]

MK has zero policies

[@luyolomfaneksenizulu4997]

I am not sure what BOSA really stands for, lady was not methodical seems all over the place. Nonetheless, we need Musi Maimane in Parliament really hope they get a seat or two.

[@tiehomothibe9809]

The lady is not properly informed on some matters, she speaks broadly, however it could be on purpose because vele the likes of Musi are never clear on other matters.ATM is clear.

[@user-kx8uj1sl5v]

She is all over the place this and she is focusing on Anc but she must bring her parties solutionsl like this guy,he knows his story very well

[@KNathi1]

This similarity in BOSA and ATM as well a lot of other smaller parties, is exactly why neither of them will succeed. Why can't they just unite?

[@justhumble1]

But BOSA and ATM have different ideologies how can two opposites unite? Parties like Action SA, BOSA and DA have already united since they're the same thing

[@lemarlochenberg]

Everybody wants to be a boss but nobody wants to lead. Its a very sad state of affairs within our politics my bru.

[@siphiwembiyela3886]

Atm is has got some good point though but I'm not too sure how they going to manoeuvre their relationship with the eff post may 29 especially when it comes to the issue of immigration because eff would rather sell their families than doing away with the open border policy. And it's rather interesting to me when Bosa participant always notes that " I fully agree with my colleague". This shows that in SA there's no need for all these parties because they agree in a lot of things. It was unfair to always asking the atm guy questions first because it seemed like the BOSA lady is repeating what he's as they are having similarities of policy.

[@NinohBrown]

I really like ATM and i loved their manifesto this weekend. I hope they grow this election year, it would have been great if a Vuyo Zungula could put his hand up for a premiers of EC like Gayton has done for WC

[@leilahakulinen]

According to the world statistics, South Africa 🇿🇦 releases about 2% of global greenhouse gases (I stand corrected). My guestion is that why should we need HUGE loans for PV Solar Panels, Turbine Windmills and more Nuclear Power Stations while we have more than one could ever imagine for in natural coal to keep our existing Power Stations ( some/most of them to be refurbished, though) running with an uninterrupted electricity supply?🤔 The leading countries of CO2 emissions are China, USA, India, Russia, Japan, Germany, Canada and the list goes on...?🤔

[@mojalefajacob4049]

It's easy for elites to make money as long as Eskom is the sole supplier of electricity. The goal is to make the private sector eat as well. I don't think it's because of the exaggerated climate change. The same thing happened with COVID-19 people who refused the vaccines were ridiculed, but today they're still alive and well.

[@FlorenceSeptember]

Wow! These 2parties must form a coalition ❤

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

As long as politicians and members of parliament including the president are not using public hospitals, khohlwa they won’t be capacitated and made to be in the state that they were once in or better than that.

[@lovethyneighborx3]

Both debaters were well spoken and did a great job pointing to the problems facing SA, but not the specific solutions… in that way I was disappointed. But thank you for your time and I have learned more about ATM and BOSA 🙏🏽

[@MT-04]

This ATM guy deserves seat in Parliament

[@thabonxumalo1957]

This lady is out of touch with what ordinary Africans go through in this country. ATM seems to have it's ears to the ground. So based on these two, I would give my vote to ATM. Another thing is the thought of BOSA being funded by Opperheimers doesn't sit well with me.

[@justhumble1]

True our people should be careful of these sellouts, ATM has also impressed me

[@NgolaNalane]

You cannot be pro jobs and anti capital at the same time. You think ATM is funded by what kanti

[@thabonxumalo1957]

@@NgolaNalane most certaintly not the Opperheimers

[@NgolaNalane]

@@thabonxumalo1957 would you like it if it's the Ruperts instead? Youre reasoning is shallow. Don't matter which billionaire parties get funded by. Billionaires didn't get to the top by being pro poor.

[@thabonxumalo1957]

@@NgolaNalane No, why would I even fathom such a thought. No white elite wants to even look in the direction of a African progressive movement.

[@mnqobifuze2451]

Why can't these pronative/leftists parties amalgamate .. this seem to split a black vote, we shall never win in disunity.

[@Siriuan]

The defragmentation continues... Where is the PAC/AZAPO/UDM

[@sephiwegeorge3630]

Debates are critical...

[@lemarlochenberg]

Steel sharpens Steel and Cuts through wood.

[@bafanamshengu920]

I like that the ATM speaks the same language as the EFF, they should make a great coalition partner. Who else thought the BLF was going to be as the ATM. What a disappointment Mngxitama is 😢

[@japrosper7240]

Mfxm, the girl is all over the place . We are also in dire state mos. No vote for me. Sorry.

[@shinaberum3952]

Ayanda stop focusing on sounding intelligent and speak proper sense so that ordinary South Africans can get the basics of your message I’m not taking away from your intelligence but just be more relatable to ordinary South Africans Love the ATM guest ♥️♥️♥️

[@tshegosmaja]

The issue might be the use of bombastic words, otherwise she articulated her points pretty well.

[@selbybopape23]

Beautiful debate. Ayeye

[@patricknkosi5412]

Let's marry these two😅. They 80% plus agree with each other😅😅

[@xoleladouws2073]

Regarding the education debate, it’s disappointing that neither party speaks to the psychology of the education system or lack there of. And I extend this comment to most parties. There’s surface level thinking here which in my part are semantics. The core problem lies with the psychological aspects the children go through which are never dealt with. My sister is a teacher at a school in the township. All she ever cry’s about is how broken the kids are psychologically. They come from broken homes and abused and it doesn’t matter which school you go to, take a broken kid to Bishops and they will perform poorly. Have policies that speak on the mind and well being of our children and the rest will take care of itself.

[@kagisomatjila6099]

I don't want to lie I am gonna vote for Bosa, but honestly there are some instances that i felt that the ATM guy was more articulate and thorough, especially with the Education and Immigration policies...i feel like Bosa is afraid of how society will take them when they actually start commenting on Illegal foreigners and all...at the end of the day illegal foreigners are a problem in RSA, considering they get easy treatment here and if BOSA says they don't have problem with that they might end up losing votes. We need to fix boarders and Home Affairs and root out corruption that is true, but what will we dl with the illegal foreigners that are here already? We can't just make them legal because they have been here...i really need to hear mmusi's plan on this otherwise i am going to jump ship

[@Siriuan]

They gotta go back home and start fixing... South Africa still has some work to do

[@thabelofortune]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 #SMWX MIGHTI JAMIE ✊🏽

[@tiehomothibe9809]

15 min into the debate and you can already tell that ATM knows what the people want and how to go about getting those things. To the BOSA lady, Zim was sanctioned and it will take decades if not more years to recover, their doctors and nurses are here in SA some earning peanuts and exploited, asking their leadership to account and what not, should be secondary to what we have to do to protect our own economy and I think she rode on the facts given by ATM in this case by just agreeing without giving and articulating facts on the development of the economy and micro economy.

[@NgolaNalane]

The truth of the matter that most SAns will never admit is that we will forever have Zimbabweans entering SA if Zim government doesn't sort themselves out. We can deport them all we want but that won't change anything. The only long term solution is to be much more harsh towards the Zim government and force them to change their ways

[@bonginkosisibiya7908]

Ok, Ayanda...our minister of Health is Dr Joe Phahla

[@bafanamshengu920]

This debate has shown me one important aspect; as black people we're going through the same struggles even though our leaders sometimes are leading different propositions mainly due to their funders. I like that the two parties are in agreement in most of the points and I truly hope Mmusi makes it to parliament. He needs to redeem himself as he was seen as a front for Zille, as a mere token

[@justhumble1]

But we can say he still is a front check who funds him

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

This woman wants points to disagree with. She is ignorant that in rural areas children are studying under the trees, mkhukhu schools etc. That is why I do not like political parties.

[@landofthesheep]

Meritocracy doesn't even exist in the private sector where it is presumed to be most implemented, most corporate functions are a scam and do not require the so called 'degrees' they demand of you. Even those who are experienced get training and are thought exactly what to do. Accountability on the other hand ensures that the position is kept based on your work ethic and results.

[@Siriuan]

Accountability and Responsibility are swear words in our politics...if you go to the grass roots level politics or local municipalities, that's where most battles are won or lost..

[@NgolaNalane]

Compare that to the public sector. The private sector is still "better"

[@tshohanamokhothu4462]

This ATM guy👏

[@WesleyKok-v6f]

Thiis guy never said how they going to fix education. He only have us problems

[@mojalefajacob4049]

As citizens, we must also be serious. I mean it's impossible to cover everything in 1 hour. We must normalise reading manifestos where everything is in detail.

[@NgolaNalane]

I'm losing focus but this woman beautiful

[@Demru_1]

Ayeye, I love the fact that our politicians are younger. They have ideas. South Africa is a complex country with its history, it's economy and constituency from different parties. My problem with party politics is one, they seem to be fighting each other instead of fighting the problems affecting the voters. Can they work together? What are they willing to compromise? To get the country moving forward. Do the leaders have the character traits to treat citizens equally? Personally for me, I have the top 5 parties. The anc did well to deal with apartheid problems but not problems in our democracy, so they become no5 and the DA no 4 because we need a white political party in South Africa especially looking in Africa as a continent. I think the Eff went out of their way and worked harder than any other party in the election season, they're in my top 3, this Bosa I like their leaders and personnel but not sure what they are willing to compromise,.

[@siara8267]

This ATM guy 💯🔥

[@dima309]

Ayeye 🎉

[@thamimahlangabeza6639]

It would have been nice for the debate's adjudicator to alternate who needs to go first after he had posed a policy issue up for comment (instead of always giving the ATM chap the right of first reply). In that way we would have had a clearer idea of what BOSA stands for. Right now, Sis' Ayanda Allie had to preface her answers by saying she agrees with her colleague. Otherwise, I love Ayanda's confidence and spunk here, and I wish the form of the debate could have suited her more. As for Nyaniso Jeku, he needs to appear more on all media platforms as someone who speaks for the standpoint of view of the ATM in burning issues.

[@mthokozisilanga4497]

Mandela and his Minister of Education Kader Ismail closed both the colleges of nurses and teachers, and now South Africa is hiring nurses and teachers who are from neighbouring countries coming from nurses’ and teachers’ colleges😂😂😂😂

[@sifisoradebe4322]

Great debate probably both guests brought about popular views nothing new or strategic presented especially based on scientific and practicality. I mean you asked a very simple question to both "How can they both do different from what has been done already" the answers do not move me as far as Health,Education and Energy is concerned they are talking in amplify terms if I may say so put more money in TVET, change the curriculumn in the basic education but I do not get the change yes but focus to what exactly what it that they think the country SA should produce best vs it's world counterparts then that for me is vague. Eskom is unbundled what do they say or Transnet question the Bosa speaker says "bring in the private sector" instead of talking state capacity so they glorify the private sector as an alpha and omega and little did I know that ATM is Faith based my own understanding of such defining organizations have a tendency to really not deliver anything bt we need ATM to be the necessary voice in parliament but I am voting for non as a young person based on this debate.

[@mojalefajacob4049]

I think you're also wrong for not reading the manifestos or policies of both political parties. Everything you're requesting won't be covered in 1 hour. So, read their Manifestos where everything is in detail

[@sifisoradebe4322]

@@mojalefajacob4049 I think you are right but u when it is election time and u are invited for an interview do not give people another narrative and perspective other than what is enacted in ur manifesto for God's sake. this is an opportunity to sell it to those who have never read it.

[@mojalefajacob4049]

@@sifisoradebe4322 Fair point. I agree that he should've been more practical.

[@TuduetsoMokoena]

i will not lie I expected ATM to mention Environmental Health Practitioners since last year they wrote a manifesto for government to employ them. Employing Environmental Health practitioners will help improve healthcare as it is a profession that helps prevent illnesses. Once Environmental Health Practitioners are employed they would play their role in public health by ensuring that the public does not contract communicable diseases, allowing the diagnostic and rehabilitative spheres of health to give their services to people who need it the most, not for cases which could be prevented though preventative health interventions.

[@bonolomakgatadeluent3150]

ATM won this debate

[@xoleladouws2073]

Regarding the health care system… it would be quicker to build trauma type hospitals than fully fledged hospitals. Think about this, in the Nelson Mandela Metro, there are three public hospitals with trauma/emergency rooms. That’s the problem. A metro with more than 1mill people can never be serviced by three hospitals. Thats why people are bursting at the seams. Having 24/7 clinics might even be the more immediate option while more facilities are being built. Have policies that capacitate trauma rooms and we half way there. I will not speak to the non negotiable upgrades all public hospitals require from a health and safety perspective.

[@tiehomothibe9809]

This thing that there are more affluent kids who are ready for the workforce/varsity while others are not and having to do a year of service or work to prepare them for varsity/work is total nonsense as it will create further divide in the country between the haves and have not, because ofcouse your so called affluent schools like she earlier said come from the privileged parts like Sandton; So you have to fix the very point that makes the education affluent in some parts and poor in other parts, go to the root of the problem dont try to fix the root while the foundation is a mess. The interviewer has to start with BOSA and switch the next question to ATM, its quite clear that BOSA is not for free education. ATM still takes the lead on education for me. Her point of TVET college is important, students are forced by universities to take courses they do not want which leads to many doing useless courses, leading to drop outs and unemployed graduates.

[@resolute5343]

These two are on the same page mos, is even a debate?

[@KamCoder]

Sometimes we must not just debate for the sake of content. It is difficult to create a debate between parties who remains with a common vision of unsitting the current Government or the ANC if we could say so. The idea is cool but almost all the parties available in South Africa's voting list is or will go against the status quo. Or at least, let us try to hear from the parties without trying to create a debate, because the Information offered by the guests is very necessary. It will give the South African Citizens a choice for voting.

[@justhumble1]

If foreign nationals shouldn't run Spaza shops, then why should foreigners own mines in our country when our people are poor? The attack on foreigners is exclusively directed to Africans, Europeans are never spoken about

[@haruko1297]

On the immigration topic.I have been to south africa since 2006,here I am giving facts not emotions,I live in kenilworth and plumstead southern suburb of cape town ,back in 2006 there were not what you call spaza shops ,only big retailers shops such as pickandpay,shoprite,spar and seven eleven,where were south africans to start open up spaza shops back in the daysand up to now no one stop any SA citizen to open up one.if you go around the world you will see pakistanese,somalians are good at that and they mostly came in mass after 2010.so thats not the point.white monopoly living in the leafy suburbs of SA Controls 99 percent of the economy..hold the current governement accountable will be the first point of call.if you reduce significantly the crime and mafia you will attract big firms and great investors and in return they will create more jobs therefore SAans will have jobs...foreign nationals mostly you mention blacks africans they participate not even on 1perecent of the SA economy

[@iacreativemagic]

Hell we haf to work to pay for things as students.We had to work and that made us appreciate things more. You give things and people do not appreciate it. I had to teach forty and more learners CAT in a school once eith 25 computers in the computer room. There was ten others in the library but management was so stupid that those computers we never used. In my last scool the computers got locked up in a safe after all the money was paid for a lab. You need managers in schools who are not there just to earn the money but know what they are doing and care about the school and not just getting the promotion. Get real managers into our failing schools.

[@superbowljoel01]

personally, I'm heavily in favour of ass-to-mouth, but I don't think it's worth forming a political party around

[@iacreativemagic]

These guys are talking about libraries. Libraries has become study places. Most books in our public libraries are out dated. Give learners access to the internet and money to pay for relevant information. Many time information our learners need must be paid for. Wikipedia is useless most of the time. I always told learners to avoid Wikipedia when I was a teacher.

[@Siriuan]

Do we really know anything about the Oppenheimer stories or are we just parroting what the eff is saying ?

[@MotlokwaThwii]

It's not what EFF is saying. It's public knowledge that Oppenheimer funds most of these parties. You can go check at IEC. Rise Mzansi, for example, has also shared this. The only question is why. Why Rise Mzansi and not ATM? Why ActionSA and not PAC? Why DA and not EFF? I hope you follow.