Elevator Rescue Training

[@Markw8480]

Good info,,,,just about every elevator in our city has a key hole for drop keys,,i cant think of a time where i ran into a door like this,,,we carry a bag full drop keys on our truck and just play around until one works😂,,,,,sometimes the building will have a drop key in the knox box for elevator if were lucky,,,,cool tool,,great training class!!💪🏻🚒

[@paradox1614]

14:17 what are all those springs on right side of "box" for? Why so much mechanisms, as I understood only that "arm" on the very left is responsible for locking.

[@spinba11]

I think they are the wires that normally got to the controller

[@lightmagnet1961]

How well can you top pick an old Westinghouse door lock?

[@damian-luginbuehl]

Why don't the doors have locks that can be opened with a special key (dropkey, triangle key)?

[@stevenc8140]

They do! There is a hole (pencil sized) that fits into the second door the one that does not open as much. You turn the key it lifts the gate lock and then the door will open.

[@damian-luginbuehl]

@@stevenc8140 But why do they need to pick them if it has a Keyhole?

[@stevenc8140]

@@damian-luginbuehl always always as a fireman Have Plan B. Firemen are taught to have at least a 3:1 preferably 5:1 safety margin in technical rescues. A lot what you see is not for the public’s safety ( though we don’t say this!) it is foR the Fireman’s safety so they go home in one piece and able to come back to work next shift and do it all AGAIN! To answer your question. It is faster! People freak inside elevators because they believe they will either run out air FALSE. Or the elevator will fall. FALSE. EXITING the elevator through the ceiling scuttle will only get you injured or killed when if power is restored while your up there. And you CANNOT force it open with your hands. No Way!

[@damian-luginbuehl]

@@stevenc8140 Did I understand correctly that picking is faster than opening the door with the key? If that is the case, I would train the firefighters to use the key so that they can use it faster and better. However, I don't know if all elevator doors in America have a "keyhole". I live in Europe and of course I can only talk about how it works in Europe. If you get stuck, the first thing to do is to press the alarm button to connect to the emergency call center. This works over the normal telephone line. The emergency call center tries to calm the trapped person down by telling them that they are safe in the elevator and that they always have enough air. Then an elevator technician comes who first drives the elevator to the next floor by hand. Then he takes a simple triangular key, unlocks the door and pushes it open. The time that the elevator user spends in the elevator after activating the alarm until it is released may not exceed 30 minutes. This is how it is done for elevators from 1970 to elevators from 1920. What I've seen how it works in America seems very complicated to me.

[@stevenc8140]

@@damian-luginbuehl well KEYS have to be located, or lost prior, & placed elsewhere than usual. Or taken home by employees. Plus you get a company that is in first and this is Not Their jurisdiction (it happens) then what are you going to do? You rely on your training!

[@timcassone2368]

Who does this class and is there any contact info?

[@wdballer2431]

Where can I purchase these pick tools?

[@CatBot007]

Jet a job as an elevator technician and theyll give your one for free

[@tonypinzarrone7993]

PLEASE ONLY USE THAT PADDLE DEVICE AS A LAST LAST RESORT!!! this block of writing is for the instructor teaching people how to defeat elevator doors. The reason the door flies open when you use that paddle on the bottom part of the door. It is because there is no power on as you said and the elevator clutch is not on the pick up rollers. Now .. what you are doing is going really low on the door and progressively further from the Beak. The Beak, is in the interlock at the top of both doors. They are now your leverage point They are being pressured with magnitudes of greater force than you are putting into your paddle (LEVERAGE) tool on both sides because you are turning the doors into levers and working them against each other. So the further down you go the more power you are creating. And then you must remember since both doors are levers. You have basically created two large levers working in opposite directions of travel and force and that would put twice the mechanical advantage of the Levers/doors on that little teeter totter in the interlock. That's why it is not so effective higher up. So when you do this. Please be careful and make sure you didn't just break the beak off in the door lock. What you are doing is not opening the door. What you are doing is creating a point of failure and the weakest link in that chain just gave way by distortion most likely. This should only be a last resort kind of operation. When I see you doing this I can see a lot of different dangerous scenarios that can happen because of it. The SCARIEST scenario it could create is one of the most frightening situations where the beak breaks off in the lock and still makes up the circuit. Now the elevator thinks the doors are shut and the car can run at full speed. Now there is a speeding guillotine for someone to poke their head into the shaft to get a curious quick look. This is the kind of stuff our nightmares are made of. So if you ever do this. Please don't just leave the power off in the machine room. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE put a lock on the disconnect and then leave a note about how you overcame and defeated the interlock. This way the Mechanic who comes to put it back into service can get an understanding about what you guys did and he can inspect the locking components on that particular hall door.

[@ArmaGuyz]

To those commenting why not just use a key... why not this why not that. Imagine trying to locate a key while the building is on fire and people are trapped and smoke is building. You could literally improvise this tool with a coat hanger if you absolutely had to. You could even run to the nearest hardware store and buy a rod and bend it to shape before the manager could ever get you a key. The TAKEAWAY IS THE KNOWLEDGE TO DO IT THE HARD WAY. That way if you have to do it the hard way you know how to. VS being shown just use a key... Then you drop the key and cant find it in the smoke and fire... and those people die. Or you wait for a half hour to get a key that isnt the right fit or fails and those people die. This is a very simple tool to improvise. You as a Rescuer need to understand HOW AN ELEVATOR DOOR WORKS AND HOW TO DEFEAT THE DOOR WITH MINIMUM EFFORT AND DAMAGE TO THE DOOR AND SYSTEM IF YOU CANT GET A KEY... Once you learn to do something the hard way the easy way is even easier and youre the person who knows how to do it even when you dont what you need. ESENTIALLY ITS YET ANOTHER TOOL IN YOUR TOOL BELT = KNOWLEDGE. If you want to do everything the easy way I would suggest you dont fire and or Rescue because theres going to be many times where the easy way is not plausible and peoples lives will depend on rather or not you can accomplish a task with little to nothing. It would be a damn shame for someone you are trying to save to die because you never learned or thought it was too hard to use a simple rod and a few small motions to get those doors open or because you had no ability to improvise because you wanted to do everything the easy way and never valued improv to do it the hard way when the easy way was not there to do. Everything you learn is a tool. The old saying two is one and one is none. The more tools and knowledge you have to work with the better.

[@elevatorsbylexi]

The actual reason that a key is not used is because elevators in California don’t have drop key holes. The reason why this law is there is to prevent elevator surfing.

[@lightmagnet1961]

You are talking about otis interlocks but those are GAL. Why not have Otis setups behind the door to show how good you are. GAL are one of the easiest to open.

[@jordanhenshaw]

That's what knox boxes are for.

[@damian-luginbuehl]

You would not need to locate any key if there would be a standardized key for ALL elevators in the US. In Europe there is ONE key (the triangle key) which works on EVERY elevator. You could use the same key on an elevator made in 1962 and on an elevator made in 2024. No need to locate anything/try to find the right key because every elevator technician, firefighter and sometimes even facility manager has one of these keys. And you're saying that the picking method, which is more complicated, takes longer and isn't even guaranteed to work on EVERY type of elevator door, is better?

[@angelom327]

Can I get this instructor’s name? I had a couple of questions about picking tools and wanted to reach out. Or if anybody has dimensions on a top pick and a side pick tool they can share I would really appreciate it.

[@frankjames1955]

the cameraman misses the shots form the back

[@amoledor]

Where can one purchase those tools?

[@lightmagnet1961]

If the power isnt off dont try any of these tools. How many years of elevator experience do you have? Actual working in the buisness!

[@jasony9950]

He did say turn the power off multiple times in the video

[@jameswest8280]

It should be noted that these, or any other methods, should not be performed my amateurs.

[@Sniggitysnail]

GAL is easy to pick, you guys make it look hard.

[@SPUDWRENCH]

Two wheels per door. Wheels? Rollers dude! Why not just encounter the lift rod from the front of the fast door? It’s easier than this shows. Those wheel-o picks look like Otis picks. What a messed up training for GAL door equipment.