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Maria Joao Pires gives piano masterclass (1)

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A select group of European conservatoire piano students were invited to stay with Maria Joao Pires at her (former) farmhouse in Portugal. Lucky them :)
Excerpts from an award-winning documentary.

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@cooldocmom
@cooldocmom 10 жыл бұрын
These are very advanced students and here they can get ideas and advice from a master how to play better. I think they are sounding a lot better when she works with them! But they are artists also, and can decide what to adopt and what to do in their own way. Very fascinating for me as an amateur nowhere near at this level.
@zed3282
@zed3282 Ай бұрын
so true😂
@KareemByEar1Year
@KareemByEar1Year 7 жыл бұрын
People who complain about her teaching, understand this: they go to her because there is something about her art that resonates within them. They listen to her to discover more about what it is within their hearts that appreciates her music. If she ever becomes irrelevant in their musical journey then they will no longer look to her for answers. There is no reason to criticize her because the students came to learn from her. Teaching is an art as well. She is sharing herself and that means it's unique to her. Teach how you teach and let your students listen to you.
@davidzimstein2456
@davidzimstein2456 5 жыл бұрын
I happen to know many pianists who go to masterclasses with famous pianists only to put their names on the resume. Can't blame them, that is the nature of the business.
@JaymesSinnah
@JaymesSinnah 8 ай бұрын
shes a charlatan.@@davidzimstein2456
@brianbernstein3826
@brianbernstein3826 10 жыл бұрын
in comparing her teaching method with that of the great masters, one thing is crystal clear. her house is FUCKING nice. did you see that pool? holy shit.
@pneron2032
@pneron2032 2 жыл бұрын
lol
@TSSbaula
@TSSbaula Жыл бұрын
Is that really her house?
@chaos_planet
@chaos_planet 9 ай бұрын
She’s living my dream life
@NadineMcLean-xw7hj
@NadineMcLean-xw7hj 5 ай бұрын
Does anybody know where she lives?
@rasmus123re
@rasmus123re 7 жыл бұрын
The piece is Beethoven's 32 Variations in C minor, WoO 80.
@femalepianistsara
@femalepianistsara 15 жыл бұрын
she has these ideals that I feel from her teaching no-one will reach, and this style of mimicking the student and invading their space at the same time as pressing them to express themselves I don't think will work for many people. The genius teachers make their students feel empowered.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
How many Master Classes have you attended? Not any I surmise. I've said my main points elsewhere.
@katbullar
@katbullar 10 жыл бұрын
some tips are really nice and make you think more about what you are playing. Plp should never take the harsh comments personally. The best teachers are really tough...
@sonicboyPT
@sonicboyPT 3 жыл бұрын
Love this masterclass and teaching style as i would love any other idiossincratic master pianist lesson to have a peak into their process. Students here are already technically almost perfect. That is not what you want from a masterclass from a particular performer in any field. What you want on a Maria Joao Pires masterclass is Maria Joao Pires process of thinking and performing. Is it new agy? Does it shock you? Great! It means it's adding something you do not understand or possess, a different perspective most comentators here clearly lack (otherwise we would all be top world performers ahaha). If someone is all feel but lacks technical and intelectual structure then they would benefit from another type of teaching from another kind of teacher. The best teachers are those that shock you and confront you with your shortcomings. Obviously the right feel and interpretation in performance are much harder to get right and teach than mere technical proficiency.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Well said!!
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre
@GeorgeMaxwellDuPre 16 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure. I think you have to hear more of her to know what kind of teacher she is. I would like to have been there. I find her to be a very humble musician.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@christoperfect
@christoperfect 15 жыл бұрын
By never "make" rubato, she means never force it. She's trying to help him feel the music deeper than what his mind is telling him to do. Rather than insert rubato where it sounds appropriate, she's trying to help the pianist let the rubato happens where it's felt.
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic 16 жыл бұрын
Maria João Pires is a wonderful pianist. I had the pleasure of seeing her in a recording studio. I am not sure about her teaching here though. A little too 'New Age' for my taste. I am a fan of "nuts and bolds" teaching with tangible information. I am a professional pianist (jazz, not classic) and I need to bring down the inner workings of any piece to something I can reproduce and which sounds good. IMHO they are overthinking the whole interpretation anyway.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the students are overthinking. Not Pires. The students should arrive at the Class with "the nuts and bolts" already learned. I'm tired of defending her...hopefully you will read all the Comments here even though it will take some time.
@christoperfect
@christoperfect 15 жыл бұрын
Hahaha. I'm American and I completely agree with what you said. Many musicians in the United States focus so hard on what will please the audience that they mask their own feelings in the music.
@FreddysHamster
@FreddysHamster 15 жыл бұрын
Very interesting regarding bars and phrases, the way she played the last bit was beautiful and on a different planet to how he played it I thought
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent comment on your part!! I have been a professional musician for 55 years. ALL masters of their instruments say this repeatedly to their students and you can hear it in their playing. Heifetz, Horowitz, the Lhevines, Yo Yo Ma, Piatagorsky, Rubinstein, and the unnamed by me or lesser knowns!!
@DaveYostCom
@DaveYostCom Ай бұрын
Watch her play in part 2!
@tacv
@tacv 10 жыл бұрын
Music like art in general is emotion, not mechanics ... Maria João Pires is trying to educate him to feel and play the notes in a way they make emotional sense. Anyone with some music and piano skills can play Beethoven, Mozart, Chopin ... but not everyone can convey in the audience the feeling behind the structure of notes. Also most people commenting here seems to be to sensitive to Pires comments. Jesus it seems most people are too uptight and can't deal with direct criticism. Nowadays people are so sensitive and need to be political correct all the time. Pff grow a pair people.
@rosamundlardner3328
@rosamundlardner3328 6 жыл бұрын
Tiago Varela bb
@waverly2468
@waverly2468 4 жыл бұрын
I'm really glad someone mentioned what is this piece. Google voice recognition doesn't work on classical music.
@1401JSC
@1401JSC 15 жыл бұрын
"Also not good" in response to 5 1/16s legato and 7 staccato after Bas's fiorst try with 12 1/16s staccato. She is quite correct: Beethoven writes no staccato 1/16th in the 1st variation. He only says "leggieremente" = lightly, and gives his fingering for the repeated notes. The final soft notes of the theme are also not written staccato; students really must use urtexts!
@anonymusum
@anonymusum 15 жыл бұрын
When music can´t stand for itself anymore - when you have to find your interpretation through an unreal mist of feelings and esoteric pictures ......... I would have left the room immediately.
@steven7846
@steven7846 Жыл бұрын
As he was playing I asked him what do you feel ? Looks like one of the biggest difference with prodigy and the rest of us is their ability to understand the meaning of music. If you don't at best you have a "appreciation" of what's it's about, or you just press white/black keys like a mindless robot.
@sirdelrio
@sirdelrio 14 жыл бұрын
@MadMath44 Well, you see, what happens is that Maria's approach to interpretation is 'sensitive', while baremboim is rather 'analitycal'. if you are a thinker rather than a feeler then you must find baremboim's classes more of your taste. but i think we should learn both sides of the coin (or all sides, as the case might be)
@cantante189
@cantante189 16 жыл бұрын
BEAUTIFULLY spoken, slobone, and you are, for me, spot on!
@BrunoLamarosa
@BrunoLamarosa 15 жыл бұрын
Todos estes senhores que estão aqui a fazer comentérios completamente sem nexo, sem qualquer fundamento, por favor, tenham vergonha na cara! Tal como diz a grande MJP, "temos de acreditar que os milagres acontecem" e que a "música é o sinal de que os milagres acontecem"... ao ouvir a grande MJP a tocar, a simplesmente tocar no piano acredito que os milagres acontecem e a MJP é um sinal de que os milagres acontecem na música. obrigado pela inspiração, até no olhar e no sorriso.
@UGTownsend
@UGTownsend 13 жыл бұрын
Her playing of the variation between 7:16-7:34 is beautiful. Has MJP ever recorded the LvB 32 variations?
@FourtySven
@FourtySven 15 жыл бұрын
if she taught in portuguese, her examples would be conveying an accurate image of her ideals. It seems a bit difficult for her to express what she is feeling in her teaching. she is still a good teacher
@cirodecastro7696
@cirodecastro7696 15 жыл бұрын
Things like fermata and rubato don´t have a mathematical way to explain, it is impossible. Americans believe that is possible, but to do a correct fermat or rubato, the musician must feel deep inside him the perfect moment. And it is very difficult to explain. Some students understand exactly these concepts, they feel it, but others, like this Guy, do not.
@kanta15
@kanta15 14 жыл бұрын
She cares about music- not the student or her behavior. She doesn't even care about herself. Just listening to the music itself.
@vocalpianist
@vocalpianist 16 жыл бұрын
sounds great :) thanks alot I'll look it up!
@jamesrphone
@jamesrphone 16 жыл бұрын
Apparently Brahms disagrees, as do I. A good score should be 80% of the music at least. And Beethoven's are good scores.
@fortissimo25
@fortissimo25 16 жыл бұрын
7:05-7:12 is hilarious, i luv her accent... sheez good :) thank you for showing this
@ukdavepianoman
@ukdavepianoman 8 жыл бұрын
"What meeeans this?" If it was me she was talking to I'd say "Well you're the bloody expert, you tell me". Apart from that, she's brilliant
@lukashainerkjr6013
@lukashainerkjr6013 7 жыл бұрын
I totally get what you're saying, but she asked that question, because she couldn't answer it herself :) I believe she wanted to know, what the boy thought it meant, not what she thought it meant. But I agree ; she's brilliant!
@guscaldas2
@guscaldas2 14 жыл бұрын
As a piano player, I deeply admire Ms. Pires. There is only one shortcoming about this whole thing: the intelectualization of emotions. Also, it seems that there is only one way of interpreting those sounds; the way she wants it to be played. Not that the students have their own unique and solid interpretations already. To experience real freedom, listen to Keith Jarrett or Herbie Hancock. These guys obliterate the boudaries between styles and judgments.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
"Intellectualization of emotions?" She just finished saying..."don't let your brain work" because the STUDENT was over intellectualizing!
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
"...not that students have their own unique and solid interpretations already." As the infamous "Dr. Phil" says about a different situation..."How's that working for you?!"
@TSSbaula
@TSSbaula Жыл бұрын
@@messrtwinky agree! That’s very important to that student. A pianist cannot only let the brain overrule and determine how the music goes. We should understand the music and express what the score says but how the brain ‘thinks’. Music is a language, we tells and explains a convincing story.
@tomjung1067
@tomjung1067 Жыл бұрын
"Try to get nervous..." great one maria.
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 16 жыл бұрын
of course! :)
@Mihaig543
@Mihaig543 11 жыл бұрын
Maestro Caio Pagano has a cameo at 4:13; He is my favourite piano teacher!
@cbodien
@cbodien 14 жыл бұрын
she us amazing
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 16 жыл бұрын
Her argument is her music... Music is an autonomous language (don't need and is impossible to replace it by other languages). So, at this level of pianism the things to "correct" are very few and have to be with the energy and the environment, in the all piece and in its details, that is transmitted to people who listen to it. This is not a kind of masterclass where the teacher corrects wrong notes, or wrong attacks or wrong interpretations. Here the level is much higher: they are pianists.
@ThabieMelvin
@ThabieMelvin 3 ай бұрын
Who is the other male pianist in master class with Maria Joao pires
@fabioso82
@fabioso82 16 жыл бұрын
AGREE!!! GOOD FOR YOU!
@cygnusne
@cygnusne 3 ай бұрын
Does the whole masterclass exist somewhere? It is very interesting!! Is she still doing them, by the way?
@meiangie
@meiangie 10 жыл бұрын
I like this lady. My teacher also said staccato and would not let me go if there is not good staccato. (Var 1) :-( I don't think she is trying to change the version but helping the student to find himself too within the music.
@WillLiang
@WillLiang 3 жыл бұрын
May I know what documentary is this from?
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 15 жыл бұрын
Don't forget that perform music exquisitely differs quite a lot from producing a screw. It's impossible to do it with instructions, because it´s a search that is always alive and that include things anyone cannot explain by words of logical analysis.
@MiguelCampinho
@MiguelCampinho 16 жыл бұрын
the other male teacher. He used to teach in Washington, DC, and now teaches in Castelo Branco, Portugal.
@vankats
@vankats 5 жыл бұрын
Maria Joao Pires !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic 16 жыл бұрын
A lot of these last details in musical interpretation can be broken down into concrete parameters as opposed to wild gestures and dramatic phrasing which look like they are straight out of a New Age motivation class.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree.
@Nosiluminadimenso
@Nosiluminadimenso 15 жыл бұрын
Maria João Pires é ADORAVEL como PESSOA. Porque é uma pessoa que AINDA TENTA "explicar", usando a língua idiotica dos positivistas que requerem explicações verbais (be it in whatever language), i.e.., ainda tenta uma tradução de algo do universo do multiconhecimento para um/num universiculo reduzido, como se os humanos fossem handicapés. Ou seja, ela é uma pessoa possuidora de GRAÇA. Quando eu quizer pedir um perdão ao deus dos músicos, peço-lho a ela.
@mjeffbr
@mjeffbr 10 жыл бұрын
Well, though I absolutely adore Pires' playing, ALL masterclasses have this incredibly high level of subjectivity, the question 'what does it mean' conveys nothing, Masterclasses more often than not tend to end up being an opportunity for masters to torture students trying to force them their way of playing (which would be a bad thing IMO) I prefer masterclasses in which they focus on teaching everyone not just the one with the instrument and bring something tangible and useful to the table
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 16 жыл бұрын
the bird image is beautiful...
@ptoors123
@ptoors123 15 жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@iampetergriffin
@iampetergriffin 10 жыл бұрын
The message they are trying to convey to the student I find it to be fruitful, albeit they have an inefficient way of expressing it. Perhaps it may be due to language barriers.
@MartinHomeVideo
@MartinHomeVideo 10 жыл бұрын
I think this is a great example when "language barrier" can be actually advantage
@Toskrr
@Toskrr 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, he was trying to get him to stop being so stiff I think...
@secbite4
@secbite4 13 жыл бұрын
@arturonoyolarobles what would you suggest? what else is there to interpretation?
@users1992
@users1992 11 жыл бұрын
why, she's great
@dmcII
@dmcII 15 жыл бұрын
You sound like quite an expert. Do you have any vids posted anywhere that we can all view ?
@thechansfamily
@thechansfamily 5 жыл бұрын
Was she the same Maria? I thought I saw in her concerts a nice, humble and loving artist in performance. This is yet another proof that being good at something doesn’t mean being good on teaching that something!
@Nosiluminadimenso
@Nosiluminadimenso 15 жыл бұрын
I agree. The mere acceptance to engage in explanations might be... a concession to the rule of garbage. Some gods are full of grace.
@ericrouach
@ericrouach 11 жыл бұрын
I think that young man has great intuitions, mrs pires is just ruining your confidence in yourself, your staccato was great, dont forget her ideas are only her ideas and not the truth!
@AA-fs7xl
@AA-fs7xl 7 жыл бұрын
eric rouach All teachers have different opinions. They say you don't have to do what they say just consider it
@7TheMrSeven7
@7TheMrSeven7 5 жыл бұрын
btw, it's not her former farmhouse anymore :)
@raphaelneves7666
@raphaelneves7666 3 жыл бұрын
Q
@johnmccowell
@johnmccowell 13 жыл бұрын
Does anybody know whre we can find the entire masterclasses. This is very helpful
@cirodecastro7696
@cirodecastro7696 15 жыл бұрын
The musician is not a machine, which plays the time exactly as in the score. Maria João try to explain to the pupil the how to wait the correct tempo to play another frase.
@charlottebonnie5320
@charlottebonnie5320 8 ай бұрын
I am very sorry that I can`t understand her comments.
@KaisarAnvar
@KaisarAnvar 4 жыл бұрын
Art of Performance is as challenging as Acting. What she is delivering, is very crucial: nothing discovers more, than from the questions "what" and "why", as we recall the "why" from ALL fields of subjects and their legendary figures such as Einstein. Her pushy behavior, is not "Forcing", but rather encouraging to young growing musicians like these students here. Otherwise, we would have to exclude "imagination" out of the picture. My mother used to say, "In order to understand someone, first eat a large bag of salt, then you'll understand". My point is, we will never be able to FULLY understand the inner world of anyone, especially Beethoven and Mozart and Chopin etc....therefore, our job, as Artists, more specifically musicians, is to keep imagining via source of given information about those composers and their compositions and put ourselves in their shoes as much as possible, which causes, let me say this, INSANITY which is worth it at the end, because that is when the understanding music via imagination becomes a success.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! You said it wonderfully! I do not understand the many critical remarks in this thread! Have they ever attended anyone's Master Class. The "Master" is there to teach and reach the STUDENT. Not "support " them as one person commented. One's regular teacher and family "support" one, not a performing artist (Master). "New agy?" What in the name of God does that mean? Every "Master" I have watched sways and moves and sings nonsense syllables, all in the hopes of reaching through a student's armor and...indeed, shaking them up to let it into their playing! The head knowledge (analysis of piece, etc, ) is taken for granted...let's make music!! Thank you again for your insightful comment.
@Homoclassicus
@Homoclassicus 13 жыл бұрын
Surely her manners aren't strictly "normal", but that should be no problem at all. Her approach isn't the most patient or delicate and her teachings are quite abstract, but they seem useful to me. Of course she can only express her views on the music, but I think she was trying to show the guy how to make the notes and phrases gain meaning and shape, without paying too much attention at each note. She didn't mock him, but criticized what he was doing. In a "normal" world that is nothing absurd.
@pepecocastube
@pepecocastube 16 жыл бұрын
im totally with you on that aihoschema, as a piano student i feel all the hippy talking leads nowhere. i've had that kind of teaching in the past.
@Diego.MMartins
@Diego.MMartins 10 жыл бұрын
Yeah, man. We should just enjoy this class. Very nice, by the way. I'm just too tired of people bragging about everything. It's never good enough, because it's not made by them. So childish.
@MiguelCampinho
@MiguelCampinho 16 жыл бұрын
his name is Caio Pagano, he's brazilian.
@aleperazzo16
@aleperazzo16 8 жыл бұрын
se as aulas ocorrem em Portugal por que não há vídeos em língua portuguesa?
@AliveCat
@AliveCat 8 жыл бұрын
Alessandra Perazzo Barbosa Mota Porque Português não é considerado um idioma universal.
@carlosbonds2513
@carlosbonds2513 10 жыл бұрын
as a teacher I dont like her, she is imagining the way to play here and that, and interrupting the pianist every time, puting more words from her fantasy world, never be free with a teacher like that, anton rubinstein never played the piano for a student because the student will imitate always what the pianist does at the keyboard, every one has to find out the how to play it but always feeling the sounds no imagining words, waste of time.
@tomatojuice12
@tomatojuice12 16 жыл бұрын
who is the other teacher (the one that sits at the table with her?)
@andradevln
@andradevln 13 жыл бұрын
@johnmccowell go to vimeo and search for "Maria João Pires - Discovering Sound"
@arthurdpmak
@arthurdpmak 11 жыл бұрын
One goes to masterclasses, I believe, because one wants to be acquainted with different styles, methods and insights in playing. Pires is doing what she needs to - teaching her craft, which happens to constitute most spontaneous, poetic and refined sense of feeling. Apparently this separates her's from the student's playing - which is technically fine but indeed, lacking emotional depth and finesse in comparison. What's to lose for the student if he learns this way of seeing and feeling too?
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Well said!!
@heliaallstar
@heliaallstar 11 жыл бұрын
what is the last song that the guy is playing?!can anyone plz tell me?! at.6.38
@Maxime.alberti
@Maxime.alberti 15 жыл бұрын
It's " 32 Variations sur un thème original " de Beethoven opus 80 il me semble
@dpodsful
@dpodsful 2 жыл бұрын
She is a HORRENDOUS teacher. Wonderful pianist.
@bglezerson
@bglezerson 16 жыл бұрын
what is he playing at the very beginning?
@vocalpianist
@vocalpianist 16 жыл бұрын
what documentary is this? this is such a gift! Thank you
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 16 жыл бұрын
exactly
@mvrp94
@mvrp94 14 жыл бұрын
what is the piece?
@lahe777
@lahe777 12 жыл бұрын
Totalmente de acuerdo con Des Abends
@davidhertzberg1
@davidhertzberg1 14 жыл бұрын
The terrific Maria João Pires performing Bach's keyboard concerto BWV 1056 (recorded in 1974, but never before on KZbin): watch?v=U0hDZpMYu0Q
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Yes!! Hello, David!!
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2HLdY2mgr6oZrM
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
@Davidhertzberg I reposted this today. Hope that's okay.
@Rachmanfan4life
@Rachmanfan4life 16 жыл бұрын
She is unconvincing as a 'teacher'. She is simply not persuasive in her argument that it must only fit in a certain way. She fails to convey 'why' she is right, and instead her insecurities come out in a show for those around. It is obvious to me she is trying to convince herself that she is a teacher worthy of teaching. More of a parody than a class. Funny.
@luelue221
@luelue221 14 жыл бұрын
What piece is he playing???
@cobaltjones
@cobaltjones 14 жыл бұрын
She and her colleague are correct about phrasing being at the essence of music, but you can't teach it. That's why so many singers with great voices butcher a song, while someone like Billie Holiday, a very meager voice, kicks everybody's ass at finding the phrase.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, it can be demonstrated and taught. In fact, the Masters of instruments assume or teach their students to sing, on or offkey, the music. I don't know about your remark about bad singers. Good singing teachers teach it to their best pupils. If you have basic talent or musical innate potential, it can be taught. Yes, Billie Holliday did it "naturally" but, beginning as a little, poor and wretched kid, she listened to recordings and performances of "them that's got it." In other words, she heard it before she sang it. Gee, I guess I disagree with you. :)
@davonwhitehead
@davonwhitehead 14 жыл бұрын
what song are they playing?
@bop1403
@bop1403 10 жыл бұрын
She had some points but some just got under my skin. "All of the versions" of staccato at 0:12 are bad "because they don't represent even 1% of the music, nothing"??? That's her opinion, Rachmaninov, Horowitz, Radu Lupu, Glenn Gould, Emil Gilels...... disagreed. So theirs are all bad? This is not her interpretation, it's the student's, she should have helped making his interpretation better, not changing it to her version.
@drssdinblck
@drssdinblck 9 жыл бұрын
Anh Dao It was not about the stacato, she meant all written music, she was saying that written music doesn't even convey 1% of what music really is about, in that way all versions of sheet music are "bad". She wants her student to feel the music because clearly he was only playing stacato because it was written down, not because of any musical idea or feeling.
@fabiopalma4429
@fabiopalma4429 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, he definitely was playing that staccato because he (or someone else) chose it, not because he felt it with all his heart. It wasn't genuine. She is right, believe it. Too much time making music and teaching true music
@NoferTrunions
@NoferTrunions 6 жыл бұрын
Duh, if you only had Rach's sheet music, no one would have a clue how to play the music as Rach intended. I firmly believe one has no choice but to play the music according to the way it makes one feel. For me it is always always visual - a story, a setting, or of course some love. To not play according to one's emotional connection is, well, a complete waste of everyone's time. And if you end up playing Rach like Debussy, I say fantastic - that is something I want to hear.
@JohnSmith-oe5kx
@JohnSmith-oe5kx 4 жыл бұрын
​@@drssdinblck Pires is caught in a contradiction. The score is "not even 1%" of the music (ridiculous), you must play what you feel--but it turns out that what the pupil feels is not correct because it is not what Pires feels! But on what is her feeling based? Her interpretation of the score. Her class is nonsense on stilts.
@drssdinblck
@drssdinblck 4 жыл бұрын
@@JohnSmith-oe5kx I cannot see into Pires' head, but I would translate her criticism more into something like this: It's not about the pupil not feeling the right thing, it is to make him more aware. She wants him to become aware of why he plays certain parts like he plays them. If he in the end comes up with his own genuine and self aware interpretation, different from hers, I think she would be very happy. As I am also actively playing the piano, I know it's very easy to get caught up in repeating the same 'wrong' thing again and again, without being aware of the overall musical picture. In that sense, it is very helpful to have a teacher that tells you you cannot go on and play it like this. Immediately you become aware of how you play and are open to change your interpretation to something more meaningful.
@christoperfect
@christoperfect 15 жыл бұрын
Exactly, sigsoundfan! :D
@jpedrocp
@jpedrocp 16 жыл бұрын
didn't you get what she meant?...
@Benjii228
@Benjii228 13 жыл бұрын
What is te piece, I Like it very much!
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic
@ChristianSchonbergerMusic 16 жыл бұрын
Well I was trying to be polite. What I meant by "New Age" and "overthinking" is basically what you are saying: non-tangible information and over-dramatizing in the wrong places.
@DainGerrUsss
@DainGerrUsss 13 жыл бұрын
There is a thing such as verbally over teaching. She is doing this. Music need to have emotion (interpretation), yes, but there also needs to be taught the way to accomplish this technically. Instead of SO much getting the student to feel this or that, what about demonstrating on the piano exactly what she is wanting him to do. This manner of teaching is what J.S. Bach, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin, Schumann, Brahms, and Franz Liszt did.
@Alic4444
@Alic4444 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, this was a short snapshot, but I did keep wanting her to step in a demonstrate some of the emotional transformation she was asking him to perform. Any student eventually gets flustered if you tell them to try thinking about music they've ingrained one way in a bunch of new ways without giving them a chance to breathe and absorb.
@UnaMoscaEnLaPared
@UnaMoscaEnLaPared 15 жыл бұрын
My good... she's a great pianist, but how horrible masterclass. Nothing compared to Barenboims classes. She just doesnt explain anything really. To much "feeling" but not everybody is a musical genius as she is.
@frankteunissen6118
@frankteunissen6118 3 жыл бұрын
Well, yes. But on the other hand, I prefer Pires over Barenboim as a pianist by a country mile or more.
@AlecKatz
@AlecKatz 15 жыл бұрын
First, there were no americans in that master class. The student with the blond hair is from Netherlands, I can tell you by his dutch accent. Secondly, I disagree with you - America brought to the world people like Billie Holliday, Duke Ellington, Charlie Parker, John Coltrane, Chet Baker - all most sincere, emotionally moving, spiritual and induvidual musicians whose art expresses feelings that came out of distress. Money wasn't the issue...
@tomatojuice12
@tomatojuice12 16 жыл бұрын
is this the student or the other male teacher?
@suekuh
@suekuh 15 жыл бұрын
I think this is quite different from your story... This is a Masterclass, they are supposed to already know how to play the piece, she is just giving her opionion on their interpretation.
@temax
@temax 13 жыл бұрын
@bemaniac2 do you know what is wrong what you do nor love anymore to somebody? Well, music is the same my friend :)
@HitokiriDiaz
@HitokiriDiaz 16 жыл бұрын
Mmm, when did playing the composition like beethoven wrote it become the goal of playing the piano? Some people are more open-minded than others. Don't judge people on there opinion, and please don't say she is nothing, that is a very cruel thing to say. Ciao
@esomellipsrhc2183
@esomellipsrhc2183 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like I said: Why don't play an A instead of G, if You feeeeeel that's better
@SteveCubis
@SteveCubis 12 жыл бұрын
Shes knows feel and passion for music, thats not hard to see. I will finish with... she is not a good teacher though
@bemaniac2
@bemaniac2 13 жыл бұрын
@peaceandjustice99 I have had a teacher like that - it doesn't help you to learn when they cannot articulate clearly what they think is wrong. If its just like "bla bla bla, feel, bla bla bla", then its really hard to understand how to put that into action.
@bastardtubeuser
@bastardtubeuser 16 жыл бұрын
welcome to the lunacy of the modern executionists.
@m.a.3322
@m.a.3322 6 жыл бұрын
What pieces are being played?
@davisatdavis1
@davisatdavis1 3 ай бұрын
The first one is Beethoven 32 variations. Not sure about the last one though. I've been scrolling forever...
@YR-uo4mf
@YR-uo4mf 12 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know the name of the piece being played?? Its beautiful.
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
See Rasmus Jensen's remark...he names the piece...I've forgotten it already!
@messrtwinky
@messrtwinky 2 жыл бұрын
BEETHOVEN'S 32 VARIATIONS IN C MINOR (PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS)
@HitokiriDiaz
@HitokiriDiaz 16 жыл бұрын
There you're wrong, she's not COMPLETELY disregarding the score. She takes the score seriously. Music for her is 99% about chords, melodylines, phrases, rhythm, tempo, etc. The other 1 % (playing it stacatto, legato, etc) is to be choosen by the pianist. Take Erik Satie for example, he wrote things like 'open your mind', or 'with great kindness' above his scores. His goal was to guide the pianist, give some ideas, not to force a pianist into taking a road that he didn't want to take..
@matteomaga3
@matteomaga3 16 жыл бұрын
Well, first impression, she is quite annoying, just saying "it has zero to do with the music" and if she were to teach children she could be blamed for such an attitude.But, considering adult students,I think her teaching is very much productive.The blonde bloke has been stimulated to break some of his habits and go beyond.I have myself experienced an improvement in my playing only thanks to this video.The proof that she is right about feeling:check out her Mozart Boulez on youtube, just amazing
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