Elite Dangerous | Python MKII: performance comparison to FDL/Python [raw tests]

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Alswulf

Alswulf

Күн бұрын

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@Gazooka
@Gazooka 7 ай бұрын
Also one thing that people aren’t talking about is that this ship was built around the new supercharged fsd, and genuinely stays as cool as a cucumber, doesn’t rip your joystick off after a 10 sec burn and at 5000 times the speed of light only burns through 1110 tons per hour. And accelerates faster than a nun on crack and decelerates quicker than a pedo driving past a school.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
😂
@carlwillshere4012
@carlwillshere4012 7 ай бұрын
The description of the Python MKII if it were on one of the GTA websites 🤣🤣
@Loli_lover206
@Loli_lover206 6 ай бұрын
​@@carlwillshere4012 accurate
@tacticalmattress
@tacticalmattress 21 күн бұрын
Lmao
@panzerknacker1205
@panzerknacker1205 7 ай бұрын
Even just taking this ship from engineer to engineer I really like the way it flies. Not done with engineering yet but I’m excited to get it finished. Think I will primarily be using Frags.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
yeah, I also consider it with pacifiers! Having almost conda-like dps sounds tempting :D
@panzerknacker1205
@panzerknacker1205 7 ай бұрын
Yes power is tight but I think that 4 pacifier and 2 railgun could work. That bottom hardpoint might not have convergence however.
@alexklug-noble8877
@alexklug-noble8877 7 ай бұрын
I just finished an all double shot frag build and it SHREDS.
@CMDRArsenCross
@CMDRArsenCross 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for this. I find it interesting that you have no test of lateral thrusters though. As a dedicated Python pilot I can tell you one of the things that makes it stand-out ship is that the Mk I has phenominal vertical thrust performance compared to most other ships. The Python Mk II retained this trait which gives it a lot more maneuvering versatility when compared to an FDL, especially given that it directly competes or out performs the FDL in several categories as outlined in your video here.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
thank you! I did try comparing verts of both and FDL but - no luck to provide valuable data yet.. But keeping in mind experience you've shared: seems I need to spend more time in mkII and original one - perhaps will find out how to show it properly in the next vid!
@CMDRArsenCross
@CMDRArsenCross 7 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf Yeah I've thought a bit about it and I'm not really sure what the best way to demo it consistently would be. If I come up with an idea I'll drop you a line.
@CEOofFriendship
@CEOofFriendship 7 ай бұрын
​@@Alswulfmy best idea would be to have a teammate stationary, lock onto them so you see the distance to them, then compare how long it takes to fly x amount of distance using each lateral.
@gho5tspartan26yt
@gho5tspartan26yt 6 ай бұрын
Okay but can the use of laterals on mk1 beat a FDL? I really wanna know cuz I main mk1 while my buddy mains fdl
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 6 ай бұрын
@@gho5tspartan26yt python mki is about tanking (having decent internals for scbs) and dealing damage. FDL pilot would require more effort to beat it but at the same time: if the pilot is skilled enough - it shouldn't be an issue
@luckybrand6762
@luckybrand6762 7 ай бұрын
I’m really feeling the Power plant 7 to 6 nerf.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
keeping in mind there is Krait Phantom - yeah, could be
@luckybrand6762
@luckybrand6762 7 ай бұрын
@@Aggrobiscuit I did some PvE multicrew with a friend and I had all Pulse Lasers long range with Multiservos and barely have enough weapon capacity to fire all guns for more than 6 seconds with 4 pips in weapons. Definitely need a weapon focused Distributor or Flow control on a few weapons. 4 Large and 2 Medium is way too much for a size 6 module.
@JG27Korny
@JG27Korny 2 ай бұрын
@@luckybrand6762 Or maybe you have your configuration wrong. Even if you use all laser build you need specializaion or you go for efficient. By specialization laser for shields (long range beams) and lazers for hull (kinetic impact) and for module sniping (focused ).
@tacticalmattress
@tacticalmattress 28 күн бұрын
​@luckybrand6762 not the way to go. Do 2 long range thermal vent beams, class 2. I've got a build that can fit gauss, multicannons, or frag cannons. Shards too for goids. Right at the limit of the power plant fully engineered. Full engineered reinforced shields and boosters Power distrib needs to be charged enchanced with cluster capacitors. G5 dirty drive thrusters, 6D sensors. Etc
@tacticalmattress
@tacticalmattress 28 күн бұрын
They key with this ship is to stay right on someone's thrusters, or cold orbit them to where you outrate their shots
@mikewaterfield3599
@mikewaterfield3599 7 ай бұрын
Well last night I go stuck jousting with a banker in mine over Palin’s shop. I lost, but considering I was totally un engineered, barely shielded, and only packing a few AX missiles….. she performed better than I could expect.
@the_rat_run
@the_rat_run 7 ай бұрын
Great comparison, thanks! (some great editing / footage too!)
@AliBaba-og6nl
@AliBaba-og6nl 7 ай бұрын
nice video, as usual, straight to the facts, no yada yada
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
thank you! :] o7
@Tokson81
@Tokson81 7 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. These types of videos are what we all need.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
glad to share! o7
@nhaaaPl
@nhaaaPl 6 ай бұрын
The big thing that caught my attention with this ship is just how much firepower it has. It's an obvious competitor to the FDL and Mamba, it's very much in that niche of fast medium ship with limited space inside and lots of utility mounts. It's heavier, but thanks to size 6 thruster still about the same in speed. However! I'd argue it has the most firepower by quite some margin. No huge hard-point mount, but many builds don't make use of that anyway. If you go for frags, it's terrifying, far more firepower than either competitor and about the same speed/maneuverability. It's basically an FDL that traded a huge hardpoint into two large ones and upgrading two mediums to large. If you have all frags and engineer them well this thing is just brutal.
@jeros8258
@jeros8258 6 ай бұрын
The thing is the FDLs small mounts are great for rail guns which are horrific to fight against along with their excellent placement. a 3k+ prismo FDL with rails or PAs is just a nightmare.
@crimsonkaim
@crimsonkaim 7 ай бұрын
Excellent research. I also like the old school pitch, etc. comparison between the ships. Since you do such an outstanding job, would you mind researching heat capacity and radiation on these as well as distro energy consumption per boost? You can find the stats on existing ships on EDSY. I do not have access to the PMKII and thus can not test, thanks if you're planning to take a look at this.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
thank you! Sounds interesting and might worth to combine with "boost interval/duration" check. Will try to figure out how to present it
@hibiscus779
@hibiscus779 6 ай бұрын
Great review although I would have loved to see some damage/sustained dps numbers and also a comparison with the Krait MkII. I think the key competitor to this ship in many ways is the Krait, not the old Python or even the FDL
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 6 ай бұрын
cheers! Regarding Krait MkII kinda doubt: it has very weak boost and turns in comparison to Python MkII and at the same time it has less health pool that old python. Overall the onliest real competitor to Python mkII is FDL. Krait MkII is a good all-arounder
@hibiscus779
@hibiscus779 6 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf it has permaboost once fully engineered
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 6 ай бұрын
@@hibiscus779it barely matters in combat when it's week. Just try yourself boosting from max reverse speed like here in tests - you'll see what I do mean. Same goes for boost strength transfer into lats/verts: much weaker than FDL/Python MkII
@hibiscus779
@hibiscus779 6 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf Krait MkII has a coffeemaker
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 6 ай бұрын
@@hibiscus779that point impossible to beat :D
@FlecheDeFer
@FlecheDeFer 7 ай бұрын
She looks very good but still the main question remains: given that she shares basically nothing with her sister ship, why in hell a new Python and not a new SHIP altogether... Or at least a revamp with a new cockpit, like the Mamba was
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
I wish it has centered cockpit! Years flying FAS/FGS/Corvette adds some requirements..
@FlecheDeFer
@FlecheDeFer 7 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf I feel you, that is the reason why I already never fly the standard Python... And for a combat ship, it's even worse
@LordHeartNight
@LordHeartNight 7 ай бұрын
Whilst looking great, the fact the power supply and distributor took a hit will have me wishing i took the FDL, the hit to power means you're just not gonna be able to run the guns you want
@ricobrzenska14
@ricobrzenska14 7 ай бұрын
It's great ship status but to me I can't really fly side ship seat
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
using FAS for years - yeah, I can relate
@ravenragnar
@ravenragnar 7 ай бұрын
It is a cool looking ship. A bit weird looking at the same time. It looks like a ship within a ship. Good overview commander. How do you feel about ship kits so far?
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
I like it! Additional wings makes it look somehow "more stealthier" :D Though I wish we would have better paints for it (like chrome one)
@ravenragnar
@ravenragnar 7 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf Good to hear! Hey do you have any tips on controlling SCO to not overshoot?
@Youda00008
@Youda00008 7 ай бұрын
Why the hell the best combat ships have asymmetrical cockpits? That makes no goddamn sense.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
that's a decent question!
@cmdrherbrand4030
@cmdrherbrand4030 7 ай бұрын
Amazing vid!
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
cheers buddy!
@cmdrherbrand4030
@cmdrherbrand4030 7 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf Oh I just realized - did you compare the interval between boosts? Is it the same as the FdL?
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
this one I've missed to check though it seemed "close". Might be related to the sound also but felt like mk2 has "longer boost". Worth to make properly detailed mech view for this one
@GDLRenoBlade
@GDLRenoBlade 24 күн бұрын
How is it comparing to Chieftain and Mandalay now? I heard chief was supposed to be nimble, but drifting ....
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 24 күн бұрын
python mkII is quote close to FDL: stronger boost than chieftan has and lats too. A feel that it has a bit worse boost transition into lats than FDL has. Mandalay is outstanding with its boost: haven't used it that much but it's quite close to FDL and Python MkII. New generation ships are rocking, really. I would recommend to try at least this one
@pariahdevalis
@pariahdevalis 7 ай бұрын
Ship absolutely slaps with four Pacifiers. Handles so well, it can glue itself to the exhaust port of NPC vultures.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
yeah! Atm hard to think about stronger config for it
@mephistar_one
@mephistar_one 7 ай бұрын
That's new statistics for for me: "boots from reverse". I'm playing for 2000+ hours plus & didn't know that. I thought that for all ships it's approximately same. Where can I get full stats ? o7
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
oh, there are few more hidden stats of the ships like heat cap/venting, shield multiplier, boost length.. The most valid method I found: check it myself or wait till someone else gonna do this :D But regarding boosts - yep, it differs much among the ships: it's one of the reason why some ships can't compete with combat-focused ones - boost strength
@mephistar_one
@mephistar_one 7 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf I saw only heat management stats (where Dolphin is the best). Maybe I'll try to look for other. Have a good day. o7
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
perhaps bit by a bit - will try to fill some gap. Wish you a good day too buddy! o7
@dcoldfield3957
@dcoldfield3957 7 ай бұрын
Is this ship in game for console? vant not find it
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
not sure really.. Not sure if its available in non-odyssey version rn
@mikehawk5492
@mikehawk5492 7 ай бұрын
Fdev have essentially created the ultimate gank boat. Novice cmdrs will have no chance of getting away from this thing with groms and frags.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
well, new players had not much chances since engineers were released so.. Not much changed here :D I mean: facing full frag mamba or clipper which have dps of few thousands of sidewinders.. is already *oof*
@herardpique7302
@herardpique7302 7 ай бұрын
Totally gank ship. High speed, very high firepower, low endurance in fights due to small amount of optional slots, SC overcharge to catch up to victim quickly = 1-2 minute fights where PMKII commander can kill a ship without worrying about overheating.
@JackManiacky
@JackManiacky 7 ай бұрын
It cracks me up that they unwittingly designed the best possible ganker ship. The dps with all frags will be nuts.
@sennemaa59769
@sennemaa59769 7 ай бұрын
And are ganked by it?
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
I really wonder how it does change the organics :]
@thatgregguy
@thatgregguy 7 ай бұрын
Well that didn’t happen to me when some fool in the P MK II jumped me as I was taking off from the landing pad at Farseer Inc. Then that same pilot tried to attack me and he was unable to take down my shield then I attacked him and he decided to bugger off. I was in my IEagle.
@freemasson
@freemasson 7 ай бұрын
ФАС или Питон МК2 станет новым фаворитом?)
@MrSmartman23
@MrSmartman23 7 ай бұрын
Thanks cmdr
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
o7
@meidomiseri
@meidomiseri 7 ай бұрын
The new Blackflight meta
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
would be interestingif they are related
@alextopman5977
@alextopman5977 7 ай бұрын
Короче, новый питон явно создан, чтобы троллить наконечники в PvP. Типа "повысить остроту" уже порядком подкисшего интереса пилотов к Элите.
@Sanuske4
@Sanuske4 3 күн бұрын
Am I the only one that thinks making the mk 2 combat focused kinda bastardizes the original's concept? Like the Python was the first ship I felt I could do a little of everything in. I would of preferred this been a 'python combat edition' and they held off on a mk2 for another multipurpose.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 3 күн бұрын
every new gen ships appeared much agile and faster than original models - that's new tech in current Elite's era. No manufacturers able to break game universe's own rule: can't make more massive and faster ship with more internals. For old multipurpose stuff ships like old Python or Krait MkII are good enough but many pilots claimed Python being to sluggish. Right now we have some decent medium ship which can be an opponent to FDL at speed and maneuverings. I see it as improvement since old python able to be a better cargo-ship only
@Sanuske4
@Sanuske4 2 күн бұрын
@@Alswulf I feel like this rule has been broken many times if you pay any attention at all to the ship mass values. But fair enough. Also I'd point out I think the cobra mk V is breaking this rule by comparison to the 3
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 2 күн бұрын
@Sanuske4 new tech. Same goes for Krait Phantom's cheap boost when it was released. New gen ships, even being more massive - unitilize engines and FSD better than old ones
@seryvouk4966
@seryvouk4966 7 ай бұрын
Я не зь'яўляюся прыхільнікам PVP у гульні, але чакаў ад новага Пітону большага ў якасьці супрацьтаргоіднага карабля. Шкада, але ён мяне расчараваў, калі я ўбачыў ягоную анатомію. Набор дадатковых адсекаў не спрыяе пабудове на ім халоднага танку і корпус карабля будзе вельмі хліпкі. Магчымы толькі шчытавы карабель, але без падтрымкі хілерам у крыле, які будзе падпампоўваць шчыт, ён таксама пражыве нядоўга, да таго ж, будзе надта гарачы і заўважны для таргоідаў. Да таго ж, з добрым наборам хардпоінтаў у яго слабыя сілавая ўстаноўка і размеркавальнік сілкаваньня. Таму вырашыў не купляць яго, пачакаю 1 жніўня. Слава чалавецтву! І Слава Ўкраіне! --- I am not a fan of PVP in the game, but expected from the new Python more as an anti-tharhoid ship. Too bad, but he disappointed me when I saw his anatomy. The set of additional compartments does not contribute to the construction of a cold tank on it and the housing of the ship will be very blazing. Only a shield ship is possible, but without the support of the healer in the wing, which will pour the shield, it will also not live long, besides, it will be too hot and noticeable for trading. In addition, with a good set of hardpoints, it has a weak power plant and a power distributor. So I decided not to buy it, wait on August 1. Glory to Mankind and Glory to Ukraine!
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
так, як холодний танк, не дивлячись на кількість утиліт - корпусу буде недостатньо, особливо якщо роздивлятися збірку з ремонтними дронами. Щитова збірка все ж може буте цікавою, хоч і при вже слабкому щиті варто буде дистанціюватися і перевантажувати корабель, що підніме 50% щита. Але от як би зробити його при цьому його "не таким помітним" для гоідів.. Треба пофантазувати :] Мене більше бентежить розподільник енергії: схоже наміри щодо АХ збірки цього пітона мк2 планувалися мати 4 модифіковані АХ кулемети і може 2 гардіан гармати (гаус чи плазма шарди). З одного боку: багато слотів, з іншого - корабель не те щоб може їх адекватно використати :D Слава людству! Героям слава!
@froschreiniger2639
@froschreiniger2639 6 сағат бұрын
If only it didnt look so stupid. Python is so much better looking. I hate how they add useless spoilers and wings to a SPACECRAFT!
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 5 сағат бұрын
:D I also keen to more straight/sharp shapes so would recommend to check new Cobra
@ratstar4102
@ratstar4102 7 ай бұрын
CMDR Aswulf my idol!
@jonathansaindon788
@jonathansaindon788 7 ай бұрын
Oh god I read CMDR Awful haha
@morsmagne
@morsmagne 7 ай бұрын
Pay-to-win - it’s a sad chapter in the story of Elite.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
how it can be "pay2win" if you are able to achieve it just playing the game? Premium ammos only for real $ would be pay2win. Its barely a "sad chapter" but a decent step for Elite: we are finally able to support game we are playing for 10 years and get snacks for it :]
@morsmagne
@morsmagne 7 ай бұрын
When the Python 2 you buy in the cash shop gets destroyed, you don't pay insurance to get it back. That's pay-to-win.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
surprise-surprise: you don't need a rebuy for a sidewinder too. So, everyone is on pay-to-win? You may try to "win something" with stock python and share results :D It would be quite weird approach if stuff you bought from a shop as a new player - dissapeared in seconds after you lost your ship. That would be a scam. **and my python mk2 "somewhy" has rebuy of 9+ mils atm cause no one would use it seriously stock/unengineered
@morsmagne
@morsmagne 7 ай бұрын
@@Alswulf The sidewinder is the ship you start the game with so losing it and getting it back is analogous to dying in a game and re-starting with the absolute bare minimum. I'm glad you've found your niche game that you enjoy. However, it's problems like the cash shop that prevent E:D from being a truly great game of its time - like World of Warcraft was for a few years after 2004. It's things like the cash shop that keep E:D in the niche category and prevent it from becoming more popular with better updates. It doesn't matter how well the 'cake' has been made - if it's got a bit of shit in it (cash shop) it's still got shit in it - and this applies to cosmetics too.
@Alswulf
@Alswulf 7 ай бұрын
loosing it is*not* analogous to dying in the game: you actually never die in the game thankfuly to remlok tech (your chair in the ship). It's a core lore of ED. Credits in game lost its value like 7 years ago and having any ship you wanna - barely the endgame. Even new cmdr able to do a mission to get few first mils in 10 mins. So I'm far from understanding what are you trying to tell. It's not pay 2 win since you are able to get it via ingame activities *even now*: just playing the game and achieving this ARXs (that's how I actually bought it - cause I had ~18k ARXs). Having it with 0cr rebuy means also nothing since its a rebuy for a *stock* ship - add prisma, pacifiers and bulkheadand you'll get up to 5 mils rebuy already (there is not a single point of using the ship unengineered/stock). Game was living for 10 years already and now it gets a second breath with new content arriving. I see no reason to be sad
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