Elite module bending over

[@darrylwilliams4008]

Had a mod bend on an Energy 35 a few years ago about midway through the draw cycle on a 3 month old bow and as a result the bow exploded. I did not torque the bow to cause a derail. I'm an accomplished target archer and have been shooting and competing for a very long time. Elite tried to say it was my fault and it took a fight to get Elite to cover the damage caused. Last Elite bow I'll ever own.

[@grasonicus]

According to SH and a few of his cronies, this doesn't happen with Elite. Thanks for putting this up. I'm not giving up.

[@IamJonsCranium]

I bought an Elite Valor. The cable slide started shredding the cables. They sent me out new cables and a new slide but I had to pay to get the shop to replace them (different than where I purchased it). Again, the cables were shredding. I paid to get the cables served and purchased a roller guard. Total I was out almost $100. Elite ended up finding that yes indeed the slide shredded cables and sent me a Slick Slide. They refused to reimburse me for any of the cost I had to pay to the shop even though it was 100% their design issue which they admitted. Not even sure how they didn't find it in their testing before shipping them out. And this was the 2nd year the bow was on the market. So "Elite will definitely work with you" mileage may vary.

[@petrokemikal]

I have a compound bow from the 90's, my brother dry fired it, I've watched people torque it,Ive let people try shoot it on the wrong handness for it ,ive shot it with fingers, cheap releases everything.. It still has the original string and it still pelts an arrow at a huge velocity.. Its at least twice as heavy as any bow out today.. Does it matter to me ? Nope.. Its probably going to be around for another 20 years.. I can absolutely admire the technology and speed out of today's bows, and they definitely look better than my old compounds.. But again to me.. I don't really care..

[@robertgraham3970]

And I have a collection of bows that have been blown up from the 90's and 00's from friends bow shop from people doing it.... it's just a matter of luck sometimes....

[@drmitofit2673]

My new 2023 Diamond by Bowtech Alter mid-priced compound bow has some very well-designed modules. Synchronized Binary cams with equal length cables that don't go out of time, timing marks etched into cams so timing can be checked at brace w/o a draw board, 22"" to 31" rotating draw length adjustment etched on cams (no lettering code), modules swappable (top and bottom) for comfort vs. performance (two bows in one at no extra cost), modules with deep cable grooves and no delicate projecting arms, each module secured with 3 screws plus an indexing post, very smooth draw in comfort mode (so I can shoot it at higher measured peak draw than my other bows), A and B cable routing options (B decreases cable tension to reach lower end of wide DW and DL range), and no way these modules could possibly bend or break.

[@littlewoody5539]

A friend and I were up north bow hunting in Michigan. He had a 12 year old darton bow the cam went bad . We drove to hale michigan darton factory they fixed it for free . I was around 21 at the time I’m 54 now and still hunt with darton after that experience .

[@georgewashington1621]

People talk of dry fires and torquing/derailing as the only major destroyers of bows. But i think another major problem is mistakes during pressing and unpressing the bow. I've personally had a situation where i didnt pay enough attention while unpressing the bow and the cable didnt go where it was supposed to go which i didnt notice and when i pulled the bow back there was tremendous side pressure on the module and cam and a plastic washer on the cam shaft has snapped because it was pressed so hard by the tilting force on the cam. Luckily there was no damage to the cam and module and i just put a metal washer which happened to be the same size there and anyway the bow was a cheap chinese Junxing M125 so it was shooting as before. But if that was a high preformance bow it would've probably broken something and would be an expensive fix.

[@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale]

Pressing is a huge issue. With the older Elites if you forget to put the draw stop on 100% let off. Yes very scary when the cables are not on correctly.

[@knightingalesaid]

Im glad you said I shot without an arrow. I did it once not long ago. I was talking and the bow made a really loud pop sound. I had my GoPro on so I could see what happened later. I could not believe I dry fired the bow. I just put a 15” stabilizer on the front of the bow. I thought maybe I thought the stabilizer was the arrow for a moment or I’m getting dementia. Luckily there was no damage to my PSE Extreme bow.

[@brucescott7023]

Steven your 12 days of Xmas are not of to a good start, hopefully the next couple of weeks only can get better... All the best from the Orkney isles, Scotland...👍👍

[@keith3658]

I dried fired my Elite Energy 32 and my mods looked like that afterwards. Forgot to nock an arrow. Sucks getting old

[@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale]

Dry fires are hard. Yes if the main string pops then the module will look like this as all pressure is moved to one side.

[@martythompson6509]

In my experience it's always the ones you made nothing on that have problems.

[@willshunting]

God Bless my G5 Prime's dual track cams. When I bought it new in 2017 lots of people were sneering at it for being too slow with IBO of 333fps. Over the next few years the fixation was on new designs giving IBO's of around 340 plus but to do that those single track cams had to be lighter and therefore were weaker, and in many instances more vulnerable to derailing because of reduced cam track depth, and in turn were/are more likely to be terminally damaged in the process. Moreover, controlling cam lean in the context of tuning got worse not better. This is why many of the dual track Primes were a breeze to tune. Here we are in 2023 and many high end flag ship bows are being marketed with IBO ratings between 330 and 335 and have all kind of changing variations on how to reduce the fuss associated with tuning. Moreover, I'm willing to bet many of them generate significant integral torque while being taken to full draw. So I recon I'll be sticking with my Centergy 33, which has proven zero integral torque, is virtually impossible to derail (unless may be, it was dry fired), and the single limb design makes for a nicely 'flat' unit to carry on the back of my Kuiu 3200 Pro pack. (By the way, Kuiu's pack bow cradle is the ducks guts in my opinion.) Hope maybe one day Prime go back to the dual track cam. I'm seeing lots of second hand "In-line" models up for sale and trade after fairly short durations of original purchase ownership.

[@lordcarnorjax8599]

It would be nice for bow companies to have a stipulated amount of time that they will carry mods and cams for their bows. I've got a G5 Prime One MX from 2016. I very much doubt I'd be able to get mods or cams for it now direct from Prime, let alone the rockers that might be required if I go from the B cam to a A cam. Might be able to get some of these used on some Prime Facebook groups if I got lucky. It's why if I buy another compound it will be something that will have highly adjustable cams on it. I can't believe Prime went from adjustable cams last year back to mods for the new bows this year.

[@skysurferboy]

I was standing next to someone who dry fired during a comp. He never nocked an arrow. Fired the release followed by a loud bang. Prime bow. He finished the comp shooting the same bow.

[@stephengatley8144]

I don't think companies & businesses should be on the hook for a user error problem. Yes accidents happen but people need the integrity to own their mistakes. Accountability is on the end user if the bow is improperly used & not inspected prior to use.

[@markstevenson3880]

Take a beer and an asprin Steven, customers won't see your side of their problem.

[@cesarelizondo5464]

New to archery so don't know or understand everything. Dry fire is easy, but torqueing how does that happen is it a bow adjustment that is off or is the archer doing something wrong ? Derailing I assume is the string coming off the cam, how does that happen, shooter or adjustment?

[@beaudemers8982]

Torqueing happens when a shooter is holding the grip and is turning the bow on a flat plane. generally, it is caused by grabbing hard and turning, or by simply bending the wrist, or even by incorrect stance with the left arm where you hyperextend and raise your shoulder. If it is extreme enough when the bow fires, the string won't be in line with the cam grooves and it derails. 95% of the time a derail is caused by a shot made after torqueing, meaning the shooter's fault. 5% of the time it comes from the split cable cams where there is y split at the end of a cable that attaches to the tip of a split limb bow. I've seen some super-budget bows from bear and diamond that are so imbalanced out of box that an inexperienced archer wouldn't notice before firing their first shot. I was a bow tech for 3.5 years in Ottawa in the only bow shop at the time. Cheers

[@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale]

Bow grip - I can tell if a person can shoot from the way they hold the bow. It is the most important aspect of archery in my view.

[@cesarelizondo5464]

@@beaudemers8982 Thanks for the info

[@asttaarcher]

@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale I had seen a lot of derailments in my shop over the years. There is a lot of ways to do that (Some in the dumbest way and others in the most fancy way), but at the end always is users fault. For example, some guys when the arrow falls from the rest at full draw, try to put it back with the mouth. Others derail when undraw the bow and torque it, other are using very light arrows (almost dry firing the bow) , others when shooting release everything and I mean every thing, the arrow, the bow and the release. Its harder to work with adults than kids.

[@hckeypunk13]

Lol. This guy came on AT looking to rally his cause and ultimately got shut down. I’ve done (admittedly) my fair share of warranty work, and elite has always been understanding as long as your honest with them and not trying to pull a fast one. Heck, they’ve even been generous with technical data for my frankenbow builds. Sounds like this guy is getting a hard lesson in humility.

[@rogerrabbit4284]

I have a victory x it has had over 30,000 arrows through it . I’m still using it along with an energy 35 While I hate elite as a company and their customer service is utter crap the module bending is a classic elite dry fire tell tale . The other thing is that folks put the short screw where the long screw is supposed to go ! Either way it ain’t a fault of the module

[@seejowcharnai6805]

yes stephen i agree. i bought a win win blaze. limbs split. got warranty. limbs split again to late. win and win knows the bow had this problem because you said so. so im out a bow. 600. shouldnt sell bows you know there is an issue with. i feel robbed. win and win said i could do a conversion but would cost the amount of the bow itself. ????

[@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale]

Win and Win did do those conversions for me and even change the bow at no cost with my other sales lady. I guess I replaced 3 bows. I was still up for the postage to Australia $100 a bow. But a better outcome.

[@josephtreadlightly5686]

In 2021 the Prime dealer closed in my area. U can't get free strings & cables that I pay the shop to change out every other year cuz there's no shop. The dual track system on both sides is very durable unlike that Omnia I watched u shoot a couple of videos ago. Making a cam very light to increase speed is just a trade-off for something else. I'm sure that Elite is an awesome shooting experience but as an archer & a bowhunter do I really want that future headache? 🤔

[@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale]

I agree 100%. I looked at that cam and thought geez. But it is cool. The trade between strong last forever and speed.

[@wadephillips3882]

This can happen if the let off is set at 90% the string can move very easily causing the derail

[@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale]

Yes very easy to derail with the higher let off because there is little pressure on the string.

[@grasonicus]

The damage to the cam stop where it hit its normal stopping place on full drawing of the bow cannot happen with string derailment, string breaking, or dry fire. The limb stop will move away from the limb when either of those three happen. It can only happen with cable derailment or cable breaking when the string stays put and flexes the bow unopposed, smashing the limb stop against the limb. The cables did not break. Inspect a cam and the string and cable attachments carefully and note what cam rotation string and cable cause. Then build up scenarios of what will happen when either the string or the cable let go but the other stays intact.

[@AP-gn9fd]

Shoutout to the bloke that spurred this vid 😆

[@Thedudeabides803]

If the cams bend from a derail, I would say that’s a poor design. The cam should beefy enough to not bend the channel should be deeper to even stop it from derailing in the first place. I’m an armchair engineer today😂

[@stephengatley8144]

The problem with that is people like you demand faster & faster arrow speeds so it's a trade off.

[@grasonicus]

Amen. Rather a bit slower bow that lasts than a faster one that breaks.

[@waynejohnson6889]

@@grasonicus Not so - I still have my full throttle - cant get faster than that - and its in perfect condition. Anything will last - if you look after it.

[@grasonicus]

@@waynejohnson6889 Well, yours didn't break. That means it was designed correctly, despite how fast it is.

[@optimuscrime608]

There’s nothing to educated here… the module was made incorrectly.