Elitism is killing the fashion community

[@isavalla1935]

The fact that you work a tough job full time, and consistently put out quality content is honestly inspiring

[@cheikhsy2148]

what does he do?

[@lllfit]

What he do?

[@kodokushiHill]

i thought he quit his job

[@evzzs]

Growing up in graffiti culture, I really relate to the pov of this video. One week our art is ghetto, the next week basqiat is beloved.

[@nickb863]

Its just wealth being wealth. Highly recommend the book The conquest of Cool. In the 19th century the 1% wore top hats and pinstripe suits. Easy to stereotype them, mock them and and target them because of how much they visibly stood-out from the plebs. In 20th century their 'sophistications' had to blend in more and merge with popular 'low' culture. Thus the invention of the $1000 dollar ripped jeans, the $500 Golden Goose distressed sneaker, the Issey Miyake turtle-neck. They want to blend in while still maintaining, to the highly initiated eye - a sense of exclusivity and sophistication

[@kc7297]

Ngl the people who are elitists in fashion are always rich snobs lmao

[@williambilliams]

Loved the video. Gatekeeping and elitism exists is pretty much every industry with a unspoken hierarchy... it comes down to people wanting to fuel their ego by being better at said thing, and withholding information that could make more people join their tier, thus diluting their current status. I love asspizzas take on this, which he said “if you want to do this shit, just be better than me”... he wants people to push the envelope forward and create new art, rather than participate in the current state of affairs. Sorry for the ramble, thanks for the vid 🙏🏻

[@Americansikkunt]

It’s not honest to re-label natural occurrences with fancy terms like “gatekeeping”. These days, people expect everything to be handed to them on a gold-platter, and that mentality spills over to achievements. And rather than do better, they make up terms for why they have failed, and why it’s not their own fault/responsibility.

[@williambilliams]

@@Americansikkunt Being a natural occurrence prevents it from being labeled as gate keeping? I think the internet/access to information has made the landscape very un-natural... so I think the label fits. But, I do completely agree with your second statement.

[@Americansikkunt]

@@williambilliams Yes. There is no difference between simply not-knowing, and gate-keeping. Just because the information isn’t presented on a gold-platter, doesn’t mean some nefarious forces are hiding from you. (Or even non-nefarious forces, like “Systemic Oppression” [another made-up term]) For example, if you want to learn about bugs, you may go to the library and read a book about bugs. Some will claim this is a gatekeeping, because you have to travel to the library, or whatever.... The same mentality is applied to other information, and when it’s harder to access, they make-up a name for it. Whether the info is in colleges, within professionals’ minds, or simply not readily available....

[@williambilliams]

@@Americansikkunt Again, I agree... I just see people "gatekeeping" information nowadays by shrouding surface level information in complexity in order to ward off new comers to step foot into whatever field. Similar to the quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep". I guess my definition of gatekeeping may be loose, but I think there's more room for nuance than meet's the eye.

[@Americansikkunt]

@@williambilliams can you give an example?

[@sacredcowmars]

I feel like someone with a genuine interest in fashion wouldn’t get turned off of fashion by some losers who think they’re better than everyone else. At the end of the day, fashion is a pretty individual hobby

[@nathanoliver5184]

I feel that despite it being individual, there's a large amount of community that goes into it. The clothes we pick are meant to be an individual expression of ourselves to others. When other people(fashion community) can interpret and understand your attempt at self-expression, you yourself feel satisfaction from this social exchange. I feel like both the individual and the community are necessary for fashion to exist. Like the artist and the audience.

[@nero9978]

Fashion and art has always stereotypically, been something of a higher class thing, and now that people are more wealthy and arts more accessible those people aren't happy about it.

[@Vence.]

I go back to watch this video every few months. I love this video, I love this channel. The editing, the content, the commentary, it's awesome. If I had the money I'd support you on Patreon.

[@radiobekot3821]

It's very hard to ignore, that some people are Hard to talk to about fashion, even if they started the conversation. We have to be almost too nice to each other and help as much as we possibly can.

[@juliettedemaso7588]

Excellent. 👏 and not only people from the academia-to-internship-to-career pipeline. Because it teaches only existing dogma, it entrenches and codifies what has already occurred. The cultural, social, and expressive contributions from outside institution is where we find our revolutionary transcendent movements. It is the deepest most unfathomable well. This is not to say learning, skill and exposure to existing methods aren’t valuable, but they cannot produce progress by themselves.

[@lth_lch]

Not into high fashion, but I think esotericism and exclusivity has its place in pretty much every community. Snobbery and treating others not like them like they're lesser has definitely gotta go, but there's always gonna be that sect of people that know what others don't know, or have what others don't have, and feel proud of it and that they've earned it. Not everybody's gonna "get it," and not everybody's even gonna want to get it. I know I look at what most call high fashion, and I definitely don't get it, but I guess that's from the perspective of someone with little interest. Same thing as me slobbering over supercars, and my friend who thinks an Accord is the only car that needs to exist not seeing the appeal.

[@razzberries]

Thx bro, your channel is different and I love it

[@riffndra]

Finally new vids, glad to see you again G !!

[@starkravenwild791]

People rallied around Project Runway for that reason - to see new talent rise to the top and break barriers, see new perspectives from common folk. Also kudos to you for using the term highfalutin' - which I rarely hear outside of southern lingo!

[@gabriel97085]

Thank you so much for making these videos!! It's refreshing how you draw parallels to paintings and other forms of art, and tie it in with fashion. Also the editing and production is awesome.

[@KsideHb]

This the kind of channel I don't flip the table and go full Neanderthal over unskippable ads. Keep up the quality content G, always Quality New Wear

[@alexandreprince9566]

Outstanding work as always! This channel gets better by the day.

[@theelectricant98]

Cannot begin to tell you how much I appreciate you articulating this. Great vid and you got yourself a new sub :)

[@Coastpsych_fi99]

Lol love this. Smart and funny.✌️

[@salamance2]

Christian could you do a video about Japanese Americana, Visvim, Hikercore, etc. , its an interesting topic that i think doesnt get much spotlight in the fashion community

[@Partyloyalist]

My boy Chrstian, glad you've got another vid out

[@IAmSofaCouch]

The same thing happens with certain cars. Like Porsches, Ferraris, and muscle cars. Even if I don't own any. I still get really excited to see them. But most owners hate that. Just trailer them to the show. Show them off and never drive them.

[@_The_Worst_]

Sometimes ramblings can spawn the best accuracy on the topic...💯✔ Ramblings unleash the deepest passions...🤘🏼

[@starylize]

thanks for talking about this, i'm super excited to read the article. this is something i've noticed a lot on fashion communities, especially across social media. my mind immediately goes to archive and how if you just don't get it, you just don't get it and that's that. elitism is quite rude and i think, will continue to peddle the idea that fashion is stupid and vapid. i feel like it's natural in some sense to want to rank and categorize things but it's also a bit cowardly to be okay with shutting people out of a community because you don't want anyone else to be in the know. it reminds me of how small brands will blow up and then some people won't want to wear them anymore because it's not more accessible and known to the general public. people just love to be "in" to the point where it's detrimental to the community over all just so they can feel good about themselves. TLDR: let people learn more about fashion and stop gatekeeping. gatekeeping and elitism makes you a bozo lol also i will fight about the whistler painting because it's beautiful (i saw it at NGA in-person and was blown away)

[@budgetlifter]

imagine not wearing rick owens mainline...kinda cringe bro

[@nyx3983]

I think fashion will naturally continue to be elitist. there are a lot of reoccurring barriers in fashion from monetary to beauty. still, imagine collection a bunch of rick and not indulging people that want to learn about it. they had to get their knowledge from somewhere or someone too.

[@boogzworld_4795]

Really enjoyed this video! Lots of strong and valid points. I’d like to think that one day fashion would be more inclusive on a healthy level and should be looked at a ready to learn and ready to teach medium

[@angelacasein7059]

It’s ok for fashion to be accessible but what kind of fashion are we talking about? Not everyone has the same fashion sense if we did the world would be boring

[@oswin5565]

Fantastic discussion that I think applies to many things, even outside of fashion.

[@boiii3268]

Your videos are so great you explain very interresting topics with simple examples, thank you !

[@codeinespritedoctor]

This is what I signed up for , appreciate the diverse content

[@matthewpaw4184]

Hot take: I’ll present some counterpoints to this. Hopefully start a discussion Could it be considered wrong to expect the people who go to these specialist events have a duty to teach, include and entertain someone who has just turned up without doing their homework? If someone had interesting points to say about the topic, from their own research (not much excuse with the internet now), which these people have gone to talk about, I’m sure they’d be included. And knowledge of a topic makes you smart in that space - just by definition. Everyone has their own knowledge of different topics, so sure, people into a certain type of fashion aren’t smarter than others. So why do we need to try so hard to include people who don’t get it, or haven’t put in the effort to get it? No one wants to be that vegan preaching to a meat-lover. ‘High fashion’ community is going to be exclusive because for most people it’s not for them! In terms of someone who knows nothing of the topic coming in and revolutionising it, first of all these cases are the minority. Loads of people try and end up producing, well, ‘bad’ art. You need to master the rules before you can break them. Also, maybe there aren’t tiers to art, but there are definitely tiers to how we learn to appreciate and develop our approach and the lens through which we see a form of art. Many forms of art you mentioned as formerly ‘low brow’ have either been elevated retrospectively as we now see it through a new lens, enjoying it in a different way (and before were indeed inferior, at least in an artistic way, due to the way in which they were enjoyed), or the art form has since developed. I do want to add that the opposite of elitism, this ‘inclusiveness’, is the best approach for advancing one’s social media metrics. This ‘everyone’s welcome’ type approach gets more people in sure, but does this start to dilute our niche hobby? I really think both sides of the argument should be looked at, so I am definitely playing devil’s advocate to a certain extent here.

[@sarafernandez4920]

Fashion is elitist because It's about the symbols of capitalism and how they intersect with sex and the market. All of those things are considered Taboo because they contradict the moral of the system itself which preaches on the ethics of protestantism (work hard, be nice). Fashion is about creativity that steems from the same libidinal impulses from where art is made (the dark side of human nature) if you are mad about elitism be mad about capitalism, not the individuals.

[@safwaan5630]

Matthew I really like the point you have made here. It opened my eyes to a new perspective.

[@deadtotheworld]

there is a difference between admiring beauty and pron in that day in those old paintings by the way. Its a whole thing

[@eastonsaccount]

this dude deserves way more than 16.4k subscribers

[@supremekickz1508]

Super dope video, super insightful and relatable. As a person of color, I feel this way at professional networking events. Exclusion still exists, but callout videos like this can bring awareness.

[@JennNeto]

Great video!! I think it’s about time we start talking about it!

[@justinarabit]

High fashion has always been and will always be limited in production because people want what other people don't have. Elitism is a byproduct from that feeling of having something that other people want whether it be knowledge or some piece of art. High forms of art must always coexist with limited supply else it loses most of its value.

[@soy_division]

thanks as always for the top quality video

[@Devananta-Rafiq]

Really good video Christian. Got me thinking and also good humour for including Jordan Peterson's bit on postmodernism😂

[@mariodiaz2434]

Love the new hair, the content, your passion , that denim jacket is too icy I need to know where’s it’s from. Love what you do.

[@ailiishot]

I just saw down for my dinner break and I see this on my feed oh yeaah

[@Supied1]

Only watched the first 2 minutes but you just described selling at wasteland in la and sf pre the social media review

[@daan8490]

Straight up faxts!!! Great vid

[@dalaris8541]

I was waiting for a new vid!!!! :)

[@rudrakshmalik7202]

Love this video! I think a problem regarding this debate, like many others, is that it often results in people thinking of extreme outcomes. Either we have to be inviting to everyone or no one. Instead, while gatekeeping is wrong, I believe some level of quality control needs to exist in communities as some outsiders can engage in a community and end up misinterpreting or diluting the gentrify the community itself. This isnt necessarily a bad thing but often times communities around art can stem from deeper cultural roots of specific communities. Take hip hop for example, while it exists as a genre within a musical artform, its unmistakably linked to the black community. In this case, I think some form of gatekeeping can actually help preserve the nature of what the art form is and its link to black culture. Its a fine line to walk but I think allowing someone like Jake Paul to jump into Hip Hop and start rapping kinda dilutes what that genre is. Its totally subjective but just thought id throw in my 2 cents. Great video as always!

[@marrymechocolate4981]

You and tuba are my fav fashion channels 💗

[@dalfaroux]

Not sure about what you meant with the "esoteric" part but your content is pretty good bro, if someone's gatekeeping you, maybe you need to rethink why you wanna hangout with them. Maybe finding our own way isn't so bad.

[@arceustheo]

Hello Christian once again, awesome video. While I feel that elitism is messed up, I think just a bit of it would be ideal for the fashion industry.

[@Americansikkunt]

No! We must all wear burlap sacks and paper bags over our faces! How else will “underserved minorities” achieve anything???

[@andrewd3058]

Honestly could not agree more. I do think that there’s an up and coming group of people who will create their own more welcoming space within the (high) fashion niche and eventually all the elitists will be treated like the equivalent of fashion boomers though

[@xdmoritz._.9345]

great vid as always, keep it up! :)

[@dylanrupert2357]

Elitism and gatekeeping are huge in fashion I think because high fashion is geared towards snobby rich out of touch people. They wanna feel better than you by wearing gucci. But people like us that genuinely like clothes and the history and pedigree of it are the actual community. Nice jacket.

[@tiwiogunye]

Exactly a lot of those people are not even passionate about the fashion in its raw form, the designers and their stories and the meaning behind what they create. They just want to feel better than people who can't afford it.

[@PrincipalSkinner3190]

The only people I reject are those who buy reps/counterfeits tbh. Supporting illegal/plagiarized products tells me you shouldn't be a part of the community.

[@kaido3051]

Lol reps is top tier

[@glenndanzigsmanycats2045]

I mean when certain brands charge house mortgages for their stuff, i dont have a problem with people wearing reps just as long as theyre honest about it. I myself have a pair of rick owens dunk reps cuz im not about to pay 9k for a real pair that looks like it was used in both world wars.

[@sevenbeverly2568]

You look like if Steve Buscemi and Robert Pattinson had a baby. Beautiful

[@Vence.]

What's the difference between good art/design vs bad design/art?

[@evanjolley1279]

i would say the true artists are gonna keep doing it, regardless of gatekeeping . they have to its a obsession

[@johnharris2271]

I’m not into buying expensive clothes in general but I always love watching your videos and the analysis of how art and culture intertwine. Keep up the discourse!

[@majoramarket7998]

I don't believe many of us are into buying expensive clothing. It's just a necessary compromise because we love the design, quality, or story of a product. Certain people do just buy things just because others know they're expensive though.

[@tangentbaker6092]

Christian doesn’t miss

[@kodokushiHill]

would gatekeeping involve not telling someone the id or source of your clothing as well?

[@usa1945.]

i Will fix this.

[@haha-ju3pj]

see bro this is why ram ranch is the greatest song in history

[@daved3730]

Great cut

[@morlok1870]

I gotta say, thats a clean jacket

[@airmann4673]

What brand is the denim jacket you’re wearing?

[@xn-triq7607]

This is why street wear became so big, but unfortunately even street wear now has turned into a toxic pool of snobbery and elitism.

[@D3athW1ng]

The word gate keeper always reminds me of Gozer. 😆 Years from now, this content will be considered class level content.

[@belipe_belipe_belipe]

Whats that jacket chris? :)

[@dov2mt]

looks like the oversized acne denim jacket

[@unknownff15]

ID on denim jacket?

[@jlogs872]

10:24 most important part of the video

[@born5094]

This video is secretly an Ode to Manet, dope nonetheless

[@lennykustard]

mayonnaise painting

[@emoburger42069]

I mean you’re right, but quite frankly I’m gonna gate keep and maintain a high barrier of entry and hoard the jawnz for myself. Lmaoooo nah jk

[@cap4life1]

You’re assuming that all fashion people are clothing enthusiasts / otakus. The industry is run on the concept of aesthetic. I think many clothing enthusiasts, while having a style they gravitate toward, don’t necessarily cultivate a total aesthetic. To have that, you need influences outside of fashion - from art, music, philosophy, architecture, literature, film etc. So if you’re at a an archive opening, people don’t usually talk about the clothing itself but subjects tangential to the object like the designer’s inspiration from other art forms, cultural touchpoints that are similar to that inspiration etc. Not justifying elitism but trying to explain why people at fashion events self segregate.

[@dv589]

i just like clothes and shoes

[@richardcarlington9988]

it all boils down to the fact that elites think (believe) they have better taste, more knowledge and are aware that their wealth gives them greater access to luxury fashion

[@GmoneyDaGamer24]

i miss dis dude

[@Supied1]

Without manes you would have a dry tuna fish sandwich

[@Giampirco]

For some weird reason it’s the same thing with the cycling community, you try to be friendly but most are just snobs lol

[@ricardobarajas0]

exhibit A conor skoyles

[@medusakardashian9584]

when are you going to roast subscriber outfits?

[@tcy0012]

Elitistism or gate keeping is great for keeping standards, but also very pretentious.

[@dingdongvogue]

HEY BESTIE

[@franklinwhiteman9391]

Nice jacket, is it acne?

[@kc7297]

He has clear skin bro want are you talking about

[@lipca]

@@kc7297 lmao

[@chrystaltop6236]

I don't buy this argument that there isn't elitism in fashion or in culture - just because video or Shakespear was considered "low brow" at some times. Culture changes all the time. When the masses start to consume culture and the symbols that elitists are, elitists are looking for new ways of differentiating from the masses. The reason why Burberry was considered tacky in early 2000 was that the "middle brow" and "low brow" started to use the more affordable (but very clearly branded) Burberry items like scarfs. That being said. I think if people seem arrogant in events, it's most likely not because they're looking down on you, but because they're insecure or too shy to talk to you. Fashion sense doesn't come with charisma or high self-esteem. And you wouldn't think that a person in a video game convention would be "too elitist" to talk to you. It's your own prejudice to think that video gamer is shy and well-dressed fashion enthusiast is arrogant.

[@SH-op9hc]

Lmao I love the little Jordan Peterson but. The dude talks so much rubbish

[@Whodnl]

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[@chelseaaves2415]

HI

[@PlayingWasted]

I support gatekeeping and elitism

[@NIGHTDARK010]

why?

[@fly4real]

@@NIGHTDARK010 it’s necessarily important

[@leoambard3134]

So you're telling me h&m is equal to margiela?

[@canadafree2087]

Man, this is deep. In my simple mind, high art is used like we use the word vintage in fashion; basically the idea that older is better. Today we have raw denim, but are you a raw denim enthusiast or raw denim snob? What I can't wrap my mind around is high price casual (street) fashion, the idea that someone would pay $200-$300 for pants only to look the same as someone who went to Walmart.

[@chelseaaves2415]

so true

[@chelseaaves2415]

haven’t watched the video yet

[@chelseaaves2415]

Just finished 👍 great video

[@omgnoway23]

Elitism and Inclusiveness are BOTH Needed in order for Art to keep growing. They are both as important. In the Universe whatever it is, BALANCE is key. If you think you're better than others because you have more wealth (whether this wealth is money/knowledge/whatever) let's say, then that's kind of insecure of you. But if you think you are better than others because their wealth has made them arrogant/snobby/whateveryouthink then that is also insecure of you. Just gotta let shit flowwwwww and enjoy it!

[@sjuvanet]

i'm such a gatekeeper, with knowledge especially. dont want the world2 know what i know. they seek to devalue truth

[@sarafernandez4920]

If you love something you protect It

[@markskitzo]

Mostly agree dude. But (i) how do you justify what is the "good" stuff? and (ii) isn't the gatekeeping necessary to filter the best outsider stuff in the end?

[@nima7209]

[@brendonhutton1011]

Gaslight gatekeep arcboss 😎

[@starylize]

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[@Americansikkunt]

We must wear burlap sacks and brown paper bags! You can’t be better than someone else, otherwise you’re oppressing them! /s

[@thackston6241]

Naw I’m single handedly bringing elitism and gate keeping back in FULL FORCE. YOUR WELCOME😌

[@purgatoryent4940]

What

[@thackston6241]

@@purgatoryent4940 ykwtfgo😏

[@angelacasein7059]

Elitism keeps fashion pure. No one asked you to “enter the gates of fashion” etc you’re acting like you were hand selected for your opinion sorry

[@The-df6xu]

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