answering all your questions! moving to south africa, starting a new relationship & life before yt!

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Ellen Miller

Ellen Miller

Күн бұрын

answering all your questions! thanks so much for sending them all through - so fun letting you all get to know me a bit better. hope you enjoy!! lots of love xxx

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@juliefrost8079
@juliefrost8079 5 ай бұрын
Cameron is an absolute gem - what he said about communication was spot on. Only just discovered your channel and love it, even though I’m twice your age, as your message about resetting each month/season and self care is universal for all ages
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your kind words ❤️ I’m so glad you’re enjoying the videos ❤️
@maxinerobson5336
@maxinerobson5336 5 ай бұрын
What a couple of sweeties ❤❤
@Meg104D
@Meg104D 5 ай бұрын
The concept of focusing on the short life of each season and appreciating the experiences that each season offers really resonated with me. I usually think I can't wait for the cold season of winter to be over but, being mindful of and appreciating the unique things that this season offers, is a great mindset to have. Thank you for that insight.
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
So glad it resonated with you - when the idea clicked with me a couple of years ago it made such a difference to how much I enjoy life 🥰❤️
@juliekostas7322
@juliekostas7322 5 ай бұрын
Lovely to get to know you both better. What a wonderful catch Cam is---you make a delightful couple and wishing you both continued happiness and love!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! 🥰❤️
@nanao22
@nanao22 5 ай бұрын
the way you chunk the year is EXACTLY how i divide mine! it’s make way more sense than where the seasonal solstices actually are in my opinion 😂 we are so similar! recently found your channel this is such an enjoyable watch I’m so excited to have a new KZbinr!
@sheilaopatchen2267
@sheilaopatchen2267 5 ай бұрын
Oh my gosh!!! You guys are so cute together ❤ it just makes me so happy to see other people so happy!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
You are such a lovely person!!!! Thank you so much ❤️🥰
@user-fb6nq1me2v
@user-fb6nq1me2v 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely, seeing others happy stirs up joy, peace and hope. So very refreshing and such a cute couple 🤗🤗🤗
@Hayley749
@Hayley749 5 ай бұрын
So pleased your channel is growing I’ve been here for quite;some time and your routines have saved me xx
@harleymac6308
@harleymac6308 5 ай бұрын
It was wonderful to see you & Cameron in South Africa. You look so good together. Cameron is a keeper, I'm so happy for you both. ❤x
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you ☺️❤️
@samanthacanning3830
@samanthacanning3830 5 ай бұрын
I literally happened upon your Channel Ellen on Monday evening. It was so random, but I love your energy ,positivity and creative honesty . Ooooh Gorgeous South Africa..Beautiful ❤❤❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! ☺️
@lisajmacleod2421
@lisajmacleod2421 5 ай бұрын
Awww so lovely to see you both together. You both look so calm and relaxed ☺️
@user-fb6nq1me2v
@user-fb6nq1me2v 5 ай бұрын
I usually don’t tune into Q&A sessions but I love the interaction between you both , so natural and unpretentious and both so gorgeous inside and out. Cameron is such a cutie and I loved seeing how relaxed and more comfortable he became the way he looked at you. You’re a natural but he did well. You both seem genuinely nice people so make an amazing couple. Wanting the absolute best for you. Thank you so much for sharing. Blessings!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your lovely words - I appreciate you! ❤️
@julietyler8864
@julietyler8864 5 ай бұрын
Cameron is so lovely, you’re a fab couple, great energy! Do please do another Q an A, I’m not usually a fan of these type of videos, but thoroughly enjoyed yours x
@michellehooper661
@michellehooper661 5 ай бұрын
Great to know you bit better and to see you both answering questions. You seem to be made for each other and what a nice guy. Enjoy your time in South Africa, I’ve been following your stories on IG. 🥰
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! ❤️❤️
@WildFrangipaniGirl
@WildFrangipaniGirl 5 ай бұрын
I love the idea of living seasonally!
@karlamoraes5611
@karlamoraes5611 5 ай бұрын
I started to follow you two weeks ago because I use this kind of video as active resting and relaxing. I'm a brazilian vet in love for the UK and London, and happy to know that you wanted to be a vet, but good that you found what you really love to do! Love your videos and your content!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! ❤️ ah thank you for what you do 🫶 I have so so much love for vets! ❤️
@Joelina456
@Joelina456 5 ай бұрын
More videos with Cam please, he is so nice 🙂
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Ah thank you! He’ll love to hear that! ❤️
@user-hsbfkdiau73hd
@user-hsbfkdiau73hd 5 ай бұрын
It’s been a long time to comment on your videos. I really enjoyed this Q&A🎉 The way Cameron looked at you is a goal❤
@alicesadventures5
@alicesadventures5 5 ай бұрын
I feel the same in that I want a traditional corporate job, and I did have that in London. I still have a corporate job, but now I live in Madrid. It unlocked a whole different side of me living abroad. Unfortunately I didnt document all of this (I wish I did!) but better late than never!! I just started Alice’s adventures on instagram tik tok and KZbin and BOY it takes a lot of work. I’m glad you spoke about how naive you were and how long everything takes - I was the same! And still am to some degree… one video takes soooo long! Even getting the angles for filming a simple day routine etc eek! You’re doing an amazing job it is inspiring to see your channel that I love, but realising that for two years you have accumulated 35K and it is a slow journey despite all the hard work and great content.❤❤❤
@GreatLakesKnitter
@GreatLakesKnitter 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing a bit of your lives. You’re a lovely couple and seem refreshingly grounded 😊
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! ❤️
@nanettevh
@nanettevh 5 ай бұрын
Hi Ellen, I found your YT channel this week. And love it! I can totally relate to being a corporate girlie who also needs creativity. I am currently trying to find my creative outlet, within or outside of work. Feeling a bit lost, but hearing you talk about your journey makes me feel a bit more calm! Thank you for sharing! greetings, Nanette
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Ah I’m so glad i could help ❤️ it’s the journey we’ll remember, the best things are yet to come! but I totally get the feelings of frustration, I have seriously been there ❤️❤️
@clareshopaholic3632
@clareshopaholic3632 5 ай бұрын
Lovely to see you at home in S.A. enjoyed the Q&A getting to know you both better I love that you romanticise the mundane, in contrast you're very honest and straightforward about finances. The fact you're so happy and met on-line gives me hope! Enjoy the hols. xx
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! ❤️
@marissa9522
@marissa9522 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely loved this!!! ❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!! ☺️
@Itsbiabia
@Itsbiabia 5 ай бұрын
So happy to get to know you Ellen. I love seeing you happy with Cameron. Much love from Texas. I love love your channel. 🫶🏼💕
@mrss3914
@mrss3914 5 ай бұрын
You guys really are the cutest couple. So happy for you, both❤. Love this and getting to know Cameron a bit more. Xx
@tracycornfoot6078
@tracycornfoot6078 5 ай бұрын
That’s so true about the seasons.❤
@louisemurray873
@louisemurray873 5 ай бұрын
Wonderful to see your happy faces. Beaming with joy what a lovely time you're having. House jobs sound typical of an older property but they are so beautiful. I know once the teething problems are sorted it will be so worth it ❤
@angieshand454
@angieshand454 5 ай бұрын
What a genuine couple ❤, you are so honest and one of the most enjoyable to watch on you tube. You’ll be at 100k in no time 🎉xx
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
That is so kind thank you so much! 🥰☺️
@Miss_Trienke
@Miss_Trienke 5 ай бұрын
You and Cameron are such a cute couple!🤍 Just the way he looks at you is so precious!
@maryturner5018
@maryturner5018 5 ай бұрын
You guys are awesome together!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! ❤️
@rajnee
@rajnee 5 ай бұрын
So me and baby have now binge watched all your videos. April needs to come faster so we can have more content hopefully 🤞 Loving your videos Ellen ❤ xx
@soylentlyso3219
@soylentlyso3219 5 ай бұрын
Have to admit the only reason I clicked was because I was amazed to see anyone wanting to move to SA at present. It’s spiraling.
@user-iq7vd5cy3k
@user-iq7vd5cy3k 5 ай бұрын
I loved the this vlogg! 🎉But would love to hear the story about Cameron, and how he came to live in the Uk, why he moved from South africa and what he does for a living. And please also add, info about your familes, your plans for 2024, and any holiday tips. Thank you so much🎉
@AdrianaGonzalez-cd4ys
@AdrianaGonzalez-cd4ys 5 ай бұрын
I love your channel so much. I am mexican and lived in London for 9 years. Watching your videos reminds me of my life over there. I miss it so much and although I come visit almost every year I do still long for my days over there. I had an English girl friend and she was so nice like you. Mind you, she still is my friend.
@solz2434
@solz2434 5 ай бұрын
When we bought our house, the first think I asked was, to get the insulation of the house right, walls , roof, windows ..
@user-wj7wm5uq7v
@user-wj7wm5uq7v 5 ай бұрын
Hi Ellen, Just seen your Q&A vlog (from gorgeous south Africa!!) it answered a lot of questions in a relaxed & easy going way, hopefully is there a Q&A part 2? Also Well done on the 35k subscribers🎉🥂
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
thank you so much! there will definitely be a part 2 next month! ❤
@olivia.v.almeida
@olivia.v.almeida 5 ай бұрын
Omg I love this, you both are so adorable 🥰 thank you for sharing so many wonderful tips and your happiness with us! 🥰🥰 xx 🤍🤍🤍
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!! 🥰❤️
@hlt8770
@hlt8770 5 ай бұрын
I loved seeing you and Cameron together. He loves you so much and looks at you with that twinkle. You do tend not to look at him when he makes those gestures, almost as if you're uncomfortable with letting someone else in (so you won't get hurt). Probably that's too much to say, but I think you'll do better together if you try to reflect some of that "love look" back to him. You're such a lovely person and he sees it through and through.
@Lucia_007
@Lucia_007 5 ай бұрын
What an odd and inappropriate comment to leave!
@anthonyjconforti7924
@anthonyjconforti7924 5 ай бұрын
You and Cameron are a wonderful couple. You were made for each other🎉
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Ah thank you 🫶❤️
@dipanwitaprasad7680
@dipanwitaprasad7680 5 ай бұрын
Hi Ellen, new part of your online fam, hello from India ❤ I love your vlogs but this qna was so soulful 😊
@wendytiller6639
@wendytiller6639 5 ай бұрын
Really enjoy your KZbin..also this one of you as a couple telling your story together...just love your new home....cant wait for more KZbin ...Wendy..from New Zealand xx
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Wendy! ❤️❤️
@majalander2599
@majalander2599 5 ай бұрын
You are both amazing. Cameron is such a nice decent man thinking about future and not being concentrating only on himself. I wish you both all the best! Q&A pear 2 please🙏🙏🙏. What influencers are you watching? What is Cameron job? Have a great holidays!
@juliebrooke6099
@juliebrooke6099 5 ай бұрын
Sorry about the mouldy cupboard. It’s probably nothing more serious than the result of using that room to dry laundry. The moisture will condense in the coldest corners and then the mould can thrive. Ventilation in the room and drying laundry somewhere in the house where the air is moving more could help, as could using a dehumidifier if that room is the only place to dry the washing.
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
this is so helpful to know! thank you so much!! x
@lauraa1570
@lauraa1570 5 ай бұрын
Would love to see your holiday itinerary! I'm hoping to visit in next 18months so trying to get a feel for where to prioritise in SA x
@sofiakerringtontheauthorch2300
@sofiakerringtontheauthorch2300 5 ай бұрын
I love South Africa, never been but it must be so beautiful!❤❤
@ainaraalfaro7233
@ainaraalfaro7233 5 ай бұрын
Hi Ellen!!!! you filmed an amazing video with your boyfriend, you both are adorable!! Even more because you sound very honest and clear as always, seriously, thank you for sharing those answers with us. what you said about love it is completely understandable.. I am going through those feelings regarding to breakups and it is absolutely right you mentioned. =) Have a good week!!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much ❤️
@Eileen3007
@Eileen3007 5 ай бұрын
What a lovely video. X❤
@user-so1lx3wh6u
@user-so1lx3wh6u 5 ай бұрын
Hi, Ellen, How are you doing? Wow, South Africa! I hope you have a wonderful time in that country and I hope you meet new people. Well, I'm really happy for you and I'm very proud of you. Keep up the good work, Always stay true to yourself and Always stay true to your goals. 🙂👏👏👏👍
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! ❤️
@lisasandiford4387
@lisasandiford4387 5 ай бұрын
Aww you’re so cute together. Perfect couple!❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! ❤️
@valeriehill6382
@valeriehill6382 5 ай бұрын
Enjoy your holiday ❤
@SarahJane365
@SarahJane365 5 ай бұрын
Cameron is just adorable and you two are so cute together 😍😍 it's funny how you set certain rules for your online dating, like not being from a different country. I'd done the same for myself but my fiance slipped through the net as well. I think when they are the right person sometimes those little boundaries you set do slip away. Looking forward to seeing what the future holds for you both 😊😊
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you ☺️ and thank goodness the right guys slipped through our silly rules! 😂❤️🥰
@florentandelenarobineau4413
@florentandelenarobineau4413 5 ай бұрын
You both are great 🎉
@lesshustlemorecoffee
@lesshustlemorecoffee 4 ай бұрын
Great Q & A - thanks for sharing.
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! ❤
@xMichelex
@xMichelex 5 ай бұрын
Cameron is lovely, and so are you. I hope to see you married one day, and wish you both a beautiful life! Had no idea he wasn't English. Love from Florida. xx
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much! ☺️❤️
@angiesteg
@angiesteg 5 ай бұрын
Cameron did great!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! He will be relieved! ❤️
@kayflip2233
@kayflip2233 5 ай бұрын
I can see why you're a good change management consultant - you're analytical (bio degree), creative (youtube, swimwear business) and have high emotional intelligence (framing break up positively as a period of growth), which helps with calming down distraught clients who are afraid to use new systems and remembering all of the details of the system to help train them and take it over.
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
That is so kind of you - thank you so much ❤️
@cokedclassic7627
@cokedclassic7627 5 ай бұрын
So glad I wasn't the only one who noticed how he looks at you. 😊
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
🥰🫶🥹☺️
@witchkewitchke8286
@witchkewitchke8286 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Ellen for all the answers and omg girl when you talked about you ex and said that was the old one en then now the new one I litterly saw the stars in you eyes when you said the new when... your face lighted op. And the way cameron looks at you with so much love... you are a really cute couple. You really get me thinking cause I always tought I need to have a dreamjob and I don't. I find it do inspiring that you have a vision for a lifestyle and you work towards that... yeah... I think I want that to. I am 42 but it is never to late 🙈 that said I repeat my question how do you stay motivated in life? Ow enjoy the rest of your hollyday. I wish you the loveliest week ❤❤❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you!! This weeks video is a vlog of SA - but the one after is all about motivation and how i stick to my goals, so I’ll go into detail on your question then 🥰 have a lovely week! ❤️
@witchkewitchke8286
@witchkewitchke8286 5 ай бұрын
​@ellenalicemiller super thank you so much. I can't wait to see the vlog about SA. Thank you for always take us with you and thx to Cameron to join us. It is so nice that he is involved with your video's and our comminity here. And we like him so much. It is so nice to see how nice you are with each other and how much you two are in love. It is cute. ❤❤❤​@@ellenalicemiller
@prem3957
@prem3957 5 ай бұрын
Great Video Ellen! do you edit them yourself?
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
I do! I love editing my own videos :)
@prem3957
@prem3957 5 ай бұрын
@@ellenalicemiller That's Great. I'm a video editor and will help you edit them for you. So you can save your time as well.I can share my portfolio too.Let me know we can connect (:
@relaxingvibesambience
@relaxingvibesambience 5 ай бұрын
I just wanted to ask on tips to move to London. I live in spain and i would know how to get into the london Job „market“
@ilovechocolate934
@ilovechocolate934 2 күн бұрын
Clearly no response ..they're unwelcoming..
@silviaiacono8889
@silviaiacono8889 5 ай бұрын
I have discovered your channel recently and of course KZbin served me a lot of your old videos. I saw a video and I did a double take when I saw your ex. Wait it is a different guy! In that video you were actually talking about your ex and how you disagreed about lots of things. I thought wow lots of red flags there, it totally made sense you are not with him anymore. So good to see a couple so responsible with money and not following what every other youtuber does. Also you obviously look very much in love and respectful of each other. Yes to colour in interiors! I am so fed up with the obsession with neutrals, which is a whole load of greige. Looking forward to seeing what you do with the house.
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤️
@NILESHLFC
@NILESHLFC 5 ай бұрын
You are absolutely so cute….. Love you content ❤❤❤❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
😊 thank you
@benjaminkarnezos924
@benjaminkarnezos924 5 ай бұрын
I love the special guest!!! He is so bloody handsome, wow! I would date him!!
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
i'll swap you - him for Mosi
@lindslifeslittlethings6100
@lindslifeslittlethings6100 5 ай бұрын
No ways! Cameron’s folks are in Hermanus?! I lived there for 3 and a half years and moved back to KZN a year ago. We still own a house in Hermanus. Plan is to go back in a few years. Hopefully one day I’ll bump into you guys on holiday. 😜🤞🏻
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
They actually live in KZN too in Durban! but his grandparents are in Somerset west and can’t travel as easily anymore so we wanted to go and see them and then just had an Airbnb in hermanus for a few days. It was so lovely! ❤️
@lindslifeslittlethings6100
@lindslifeslittlethings6100 5 ай бұрын
@@ellenalicemiller Oh I see. My brother lives in Somerset West and my parents are in Strand. I will be moving to Umhlanga (KZN) one of these days. We’re currently in Hillcrest. We’ve moved around a bit these past few years. But hopefully will settle now until we go back to CT!Love your channel and getting to know you guys! ❤️
@siba_grizzly
@siba_grizzly 5 ай бұрын
​@@lindslifeslittlethings6100 I would recommend Hillcrest / kloof if you moving back to KZN believe me. Umhlanga is just abit too busy and congested now. Look up Hillcrest/Kloof new developments.
@suzibdoeslaw2779
@suzibdoeslaw2779 5 ай бұрын
I met my BF in June 2022 also .. online too !!!! ❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Snap!! 🫶🥰❤️
@ruebennomura9143
@ruebennomura9143 5 ай бұрын
Going to South Africa be safe there and you look good on this video
@michaelmysterious8948
@michaelmysterious8948 5 ай бұрын
The way he looks at you, says it all 😍
@samanthacanning3830
@samanthacanning3830 5 ай бұрын
PS: I love Barley 🐶💖🐶
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Hahah i love him so much too 🫶🥰
@catherinehezelgrave8440
@catherinehezelgrave8440 5 ай бұрын
You make a beautiful couple xxx
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thank you ❤️
@thato_trinity7642
@thato_trinity7642 5 ай бұрын
🇿🇦🇿🇦
@samanthacanning3830
@samanthacanning3830 5 ай бұрын
You Two are soooo Cute. Talk about Fate ❤❤❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
🥰❤️
@Fishka5678
@Fishka5678 4 ай бұрын
Are they both South African ?🇿🇦
@amalabdalla1864
@amalabdalla1864 5 ай бұрын
🧡💜💙💛
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️❤️
@kzstudio9887
@kzstudio9887 5 ай бұрын
Hi
@eddiemartinez7555
@eddiemartinez7555 5 ай бұрын
Lovely dear friend.😊🎉😂❤❤
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
Thanks 🤗
@KathleenMcDermott1601
@KathleenMcDermott1601 5 ай бұрын
You're such a lovely couple. Would you give up your job to do KZbin full-time? Your corporate job seems very stressful, but I know you love it. x
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
My contract with my corporate job is actually finishing later this year - so I’ll be doing KZbin full time for a bit until I find a new contract! And I’m so excited to see what YT full time will be like 🥰❤️
@KathleenMcDermott1601
@KathleenMcDermott1601 5 ай бұрын
well, I think you're doing a fantastic job on KZbin and I really hope it works out for you. xxx@@ellenalicemiller
@lifeonable
@lifeonable 5 ай бұрын
Let's live together?
@sktnokia2626
@sktnokia2626 5 ай бұрын
Thank God you are dating someone handsome
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
😂❤
@ramapublishing8942
@ramapublishing8942 5 ай бұрын
We love South Africa even more after they took Israel's apartheid state to the Hague. greetings to the wonderful South African. We love them
@ellenalicemiller
@ellenalicemiller 5 ай бұрын
❤️❤️❤️
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