Scout's Most Underrated Weapon

[@pumpkinglad9623]

1:46 He kinda sounds like the scout

[@elmaxoTF2]

idk why this made me laugh so hard so here is your pinned comment

[@ongopom]

Yes

[@MalusCake]

True tho

[@estimatedmedian]

@@elmaxoTF2 i just keep clicking it hearing you say “yeah” over and over is quite funny in the context of this guys comment lol

[@ii0000]

cuz He is the SCOUT !

[@evee_evvillamar4477]

I was actually considering going back to the winger. It was my first unlock and soundsmith said a bunch of positive stuff about it in the weapon stereotypes. So my little naive brain thought "Ey big youtube dude say its good! it must be good!" And I was right! All scouts pistols fill a niche which no other can, and I have to admit this just convinced me to going back about a year and then some and staying with this wingman again.

[@elmaxoTF2]

I just prefer utility in my secondary as Scout way more which is why the only other weapon I like besides The Winger is Mad Milk. Anyway, glad to see you convert back to the Church of the Winger.

[@evee_evvillamar4477]

Its good to be back in the Church of the Winger

[@drakefruit]

did you mean to say wingman or was that a typo. because if it was a typo someone has been playing too much apex legends

[@overlord3481]

i mean... the atomizer exists. pretty much the same thing as the winger

[@evee_evvillamar4477]

@@drakefruit I don't play but I watch a fair amount. I wanna play sometime in the future though

[@sheacorduroy5565]

How is it that despite having some of the worst primary variety, literally every single one of Scout's secondary weapons are viable in some way or another?

[@elmaxoTF2]

Yeah it is a bit odd how that works - would be nice to see some viable primary weapons.

[@sirpuffball6366]

Well, to be fair the stock pistol is a straight downgrade to the pretty boy's so that's one less

[@LJThePerson]

@@sirpuffball6366 I think the pistol has its upsides, it “feels” alot more accurate due to the slower firing speed, and ofc you have the higher clip size Also keep in mind I’m not saying that the pistol is better then the pretty boys pocket pistol overall, I’m just saying that it DOES have a little bit of upsides over it which is what results in some people using it more.

[@pizzathehut2553]

Bonk! Atomic Punch would like to know your location

[@wormthusiast]

@@sirpuffball6366 thats debatable

[@cannonballking7]

Why use anything else when if you have this, the atomiser, and the soda popper you can recreate Poochie's final moments as he travel back to his home planet, as Scout TF2 from the popular game Team Fortress 2.

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

Atomizer and soda are banned in comp

[@jayjot941]

@@thechroniclegamer4285 bru

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

@@jayjot941 well im not wrong

[@jayjot941]

@@thechroniclegamer4285 bru

[@zappodude7591]

@@thechroniclegamer4285 I understand the popper since it one-shots anyone who isn't overhealed (it fires so fast that its two shots might as well be one) but why the atomizer?

[@joshuadenis3968]

Hey! I'm a mapper for TF2 and Portal 2, with most maps, those "spots" where you can jump were probably not intended by the mappers, it's likely the collision of the prop that the mapper didn't bring too much attention on let you do this :)

[@kubapozniak]

Wow thats a cool fact! Thanks

[@abirbhattacharji9345]

Good job mapper! People like you are underappreciated

[@joshuadenis3968]

@@ezekielrauch3703 No he didn't say that, still thought it may could been useful for some people. Also yes, you don't need to be a mapper to figure that out, but it definitly helps.

[@joshuadenis3968]

@@abirbhattacharji9345 thanks!

[@videakias3000]

@joshua Denis out of curiosity,is it possible for valve to fix the hit boxes in some maps that allow demoman to hide his stickies there? I did report one spot to valve once,and was not fixed,was it because they couldn't or because they are lazy?

[@AntonPogonin]

Honestly, the downside isn't even bad. I mainly only use the pistol to finish off opponents, so the damage buff is good, and entirely negates the clip size downside. In my opinion, it should be meta.

[@JonTheGamerGuru]

The first reference to Unturned in years and it’s a diss. I’ll take it.

[@brendabreezerostan2598]

Where?

[@joemomma3401]

@@brendabreezerostan2598 it was in the part with the pro player’s footage. He has the graphics set waaaaay down

[@brendabreezerostan2598]

@@joemomma3401 o, ok thx

[@Pirateer5]

I think you explained why I love the detonator and mobility weps like the winger, atomizer, etc, didn't really realise it until now but like you said, weapons that open up new possibilities and weird routes/spots that you usually never see are especially fun Amazing video 👍👍 Also nice mystery dungeon music 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@elmaxoTF2]

Aye, I’ve been loving your guides lately too, it’s cool to see you here! And I 100% agree. I actually regret neglecting the Detonator on my last Phlog video even though it is my favourite secondary for him purely for that extra jump height.

[@bread604]

I found the most of my jumps on harvest, you can jump onto the roof from spawn on those boxes and get to the other team real early. There is also a spot on the big blue barn where there is a light you can jump on from the roof of the point. You can also go on the boxes outside of mid and jump on the roof from there. You can also jump up to shed with the boxes stacked by the side, and from the shed to the roof across (you could already do this but it is much harder).

[@mr.funnyman9765]

I've always been a winger supremacist. I couldn't imagine playing on Harvest without it; the movement is just too fluid when I have it, and it really helped to cement Harvest as my favorite map. Glad to see some love for the weapon

[@Mega_idk]

Finally, someone notices how useful the Winger & the Atomizer are

[@aviko9560]

I dislike atomizer because when I have my winger out I have a freaking weapon I can shoot stuff with while being mobile.

[@snooze2699]

@@aviko9560 I just wanna see how high scout can actually jump,

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@snooze2699 then use the force a nature, way better than the winger, like its not even a competition, the winger is nothing in comparison

[@NepSpoon]

The Winger combined with the Atomizer lets you do anything and get anywhere, it’s actually insane. Get the 25% higher jump from the Winger then if you time it right, you can also use the third jump from the Atomizer, and then the sky’s the limit with the amount of mobility you have

[@personalover9514]

couldn't you also utilize the soda popper for more jumps? at that point, scout could literally fly

[@danolantern6030]

@@personalover9514 I _would say_ that requires Hype, but then i realized it’s a primary and doesn’t conflict with the other picks and oh _god_ that just sounds heavenly.

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@danolantern6030 well even with the hype downside the force a nature is also infinitely better than the winger since it always gives you mobility and that mobility is far better than the winger and still pairable with the atomizer

[@danolantern6030]

@@Helperbot-2000 taking me a moment to process what you’re trying to say

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@danolantern6030 even if the soda popper's hype meter downside is too large, the force a nature is also a better choice than the winger because it gives a very large movement boost thats far more than the winger, while not using your second jump and which you can also combine with the atomizer's third jump. sorry that i worded it strangely

[@estimatedmedian]

No, dear Elmaxo, that would **obviously** be the Craft Wrap Assassin. Foolish content creator, that gun is only intended for 10x Highertower!

[@kapa_nitori]

you mean 100x? 100x is crazier

[@estimatedmedian]

@@kapa_nitori either or really lmao

[@braxtonthelucario2129]

@@estimatedmedian scout on 100 go *Yeet*

[@ashleycd6487]

if you don't hit frying pan to have fall damage immunity then as engineer once said: *_you better start prayin', boy_*

[@estimatedmedian]

@@ashleycd6487 lmaooo

[@WolvericCatkin]

I honestly love these videos, where someone comes along and the TF2 community is going, _"Wow, this weapon's utter garbage, and serves no purpose..."_ and goes, _"Um, actually..."_ with a comprehensive guide on good ways to apply it... they make for some really fresh ideas... 😁

[@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413]

I still dont get whyd you use this over the atomizer I mean back when the triple jump costed health, it was understandable Now, yeah i dont get it

[@EwE_The_Rat]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413 prob when someone uses a diffrent weapon or with the hype meter of soda poper, but mostly it's personal choice.

[@Star-nl5id]

@@dkskcjfjswwwwwws413i like having the wrap assassin

[@luigidude1000]

I personally have always loved using the winger, scout already capitalizes on high mobility, so using it plus the damage boost, and they can't hit you because your jump archs look different from what their used to, whats not to love?

[@kingcain6472]

I just started playing TF2 again and I always loved playing as Scout. seeing the Winger already equipped, makes me feel that I knew, that the higher jump gives so much more potential in movement. As a CoD player, movement is such an important factor for a shooter and that's why I love Scout and hate Heavy :p

[@addictivetangerines9707]

I genuinely love the Winger and similar weapons for Scout, which is why I have a load out for him that is the Atomizer, Winger,and Force of Nature, I also know you can get out of sewers to the middle area in 2Fort with them.

[@Aurora-tj8ls]

I know this is like one year ago but I just recently learned you can get out of sewers with just force of nature (although more precise)

[@LEGS_legiana]

crazy how just a slight jump boost can feel so fucking good as a scout.

[@elmaxoTF2]

it definitely makes gameplay feel way more fluid

[@drift_rider7465]

I use the winger most of the time, I just bought a strange winger for 0.15 cents yesterday lol.

[@overlord3481]

the atomizer kinda makes the winger useless though

[@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210]

@@overlord3481 funnily i use winger more than atomizer. just because i think atomizer take a bit too long to switch

[@k0iiii_840]

I just found you a day ago and the nostalgia starts flowing down like my tears when I get market gardened

[@chewycornell]

Personally, I cannot live without the Pretty Boy’s Pocket Pistol. It makes it worthwhile to pick at far away targets that can’t hurt you because of the healing you’ll get, and the higher dps at minimal cost is a nice addition. Also, WHAT ABOUT THE ATOMIZER? It provides an equal, if not better boost to your upwards mobility, and opens up your secondary slot for a more useful weapon!

[@BatzorigVaanchigEnjoyer]

2:00 this is actually an efficent jump, as you can climb up using the piece of sheet metal on the left next to the barrel

[@sirfish2241]

When elmaxo tells you in game about the new winger video

[@g0reshow]

Former FROYO scout Freestate also liked to use it a lot, which inspired me to start running it more often.

[@coffee0093]

1:30 this is the exact feeling the Detonator gives me

[@Fatsaver]

I LOVE this thing with the Back Scatter! It's so easier to get behind enemy lines when you can jump a bit higher.

[@tommys.3491]

"Honey no I can't attend the funeral, there's a new el maxo video" banger video as usual. Totally agree, essentially no one uses the winger, underrated 100%. Also that Pokemon MD sound track hit me with so much nostalgia out of no where, thank you

[@theitak9946]

The Ultimate “More Jumpy, Less Shooty” Loadout (TUMJ,LSL): Soda Popper, for extra jumps when the boost is active and the knock back on shot, the Winger, you already know why, and the Atomizer for triple jump when equipped. Jumps could be like: double Winger jump, switch to the Atomizer for the triple jump then switch for the Soda Popper for the knock back

[@zefzaf.j902]

Te be honest I’ve always found it not overrated nor underrated. The thing was able to give 100 points to a youtuber, ofc its good

[@TheSoCalledZoner1]

its how angles go

[@drogoz4042]

It's not underrated

[@dingdong1647]

After I started using the Winger a few months back, I havent been able to stop. At this point, losing the Winger's mobility would feel like being hit in the kneecaps. There are SO many situations where you can just winger jump instead of doing awkward crouch jumps over props, making movement feel fluid

[@stealthyshadow567]

5:39 pyro was so confused where he was getting shot from he just started throwing his mouse are hoping to hit you.

[@sigilabbas8318]

I know it's not optimal but I also find that the winger synergizes nicely with the babyface's blaster, more so than the stock pistol, and about as well as the prettyboy's and cleaver. The extra height allows you to make jumps where you can't spare the boost for a double jump, and the added bonus damage allows you to build a bit better of boost by just firing into distant fights before diving in.

[@FellaSimpleton]

I have just started watching this channel and its really good.

[@thesamdolorian2262]

What is cool is that the winger stacks with soda popper hype, so you can fly forever

[@Rodpile]

The virgin Pocket Pistol fan vs. the chad Winger enjoyer

[@piglin469]

I USE WINGER ALL THE TIME

[@baronvonwhinsectown2454]

vs the stock pistol enthusiast

[@CanCur]

Though I barely play scout, winger is probably my most used secondary because its higher dmg per bullet and jump bonus is what makes me love to use it.

[@TheDude8008]

All of them against the sigma Lugermorph connoisseur

[@Pringles58]

"Noooooo the pocket pistol is the best tho! You can't just do more pistol damage per shot!"

[@Skallva]

It's also worth mentioning how useful the extra jump height can be when dealing with the enemy players. Being able to manually alter your jump height means more possibilities for juxing your opponent and exhausting their shots while you're dancing in the air around them, pelleting them with lead.

[@Nitreon0978]

finally someone realizes the power of literally jumping to dodge bullets

[@AffyMoon]

The winger has always been my most used scout secondary lmao, the extra mobility is huge

[@lawsonhovind7335]

5:13 You didn't need to call me out like this :(

[@jandamz1119]

What's even great about the winger is how you can vary your jumps rather having the same height for both jumps. You can either have a normal + high jump, high + normal jump, or high + high jump giving you a bit more unpredictability in your jump patterns, arguably still a bit predictable since you're airborne but hey they have to aim higher/farther now.

[@IInferno]

The more editing, the more gooderer the video.

[@ricedanan]

Use the winger with the soda popper and you've basically have noclip but with collision.

[@justv7536]

I just love the skill based gameplay of dying repeatedly to the glowing rocket because balance

[@Anonymous-hi5ln]

My personal favourite efficient jump is on plr_hightower where you can jump from the balcony to the hightower if you stand on the railing and double jump you can BARELY make it without the winger so its a ton of fun to use on community servers

[@Jessie_Helms]

Yeah, I’m tempted to have my Scout loudout for my series being: Stock Winger Basher Reasons: basically your whole video

[@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210]

same loadout as mine XD

[@Jessie_Helms]

@@iputapipebombintoyourmailb6210 yeah so basically my series is everything you need to know about the stock main weapons of each class (think minigun, knife, medi-gun, not primaries necessarily). I’m thinking Winger and Basher but man do I love “Ranger Flava” and healing from the pocket pistol is great too. I’m probably gonna save Scout for last because he’s my least used class and I need more time playing the class before telling others how to play the class, ya know?

[@fantastic_mr_c7033]

I love using the winger to extend my force a nature jumps. That extra hight makes the difference when going for jumps

[@youraveragemedicmain8434]

Oh man the comp scout mains are gonna hate you for this

[@pvzgamer6029]

It’s also really helpful with the soda popper when you get infi jumps

[@geagg427]

winger absolutely slaps

[@littledragonbrother.]

Yea

[@keterpatrol7527]

My first strange was a strange winger. I gotten it from a trade. This weapon holds a special place in my heart...

[@helo4086]

A good map needs at least one winger spots

[@Woodland_Adventures]

The winger and pocket boy have always been my favorite. But I tend to use the winger more, just because the extra height on my jumps combo's really well with my playstyle of "Fly scout", aka fuck you, I might not be able to hit you, but you can't hit me either. Basically just be a minor annoyance that can cause major distractions for my team to push.

[@LividImp]

Why not just run atomizer and save yourself a slot for the PBPP? It's perfect for getting back that 6 health you'd normally grab a large health pack for as a scout.

[@boomeronet7888]

Lmao

[@thegreatgoobert5847]

Because the melee slot is reserved for the holy mackerel and the holy mackeral only.

[@coffeeScryer]

I remember playing this game years ago, and pistol was super important to my scout playstyle, because of this I could get away with running the Force-a-Nature for more mobility. Also Idk if they changed it but I recall Engineer's pistol having much more ammunition, which meant swapping pistols in spawn was really nice when possible.

[@scrumpy2508]

Bro just 2 weeks ago you had like 6k subs and know you have almost 10k that's some crazy growth homeboy and the person most deserving of it! Keep it up man, Also another great video keep it up :)

[@TTancevat]

The winger is rlly fun with the baby faces

[@elmaxoTF2]

i'll need to give it a go, I just love how satisfying stock is so I rarely use sidegrades

[@TTancevat]

@@elmaxoTF2 I mean, the baby face's isn't good but...

[@drtauntsalot]

1:56 Not sure if you meant to imply that this jump is impossible, but you actually can jump from the planters to the central pagoda roof on koth_king with stock. It's a bit tricky, but definitely doable.

[@Abyss_Keeper]

As a winger scout I can agree with the fact that you are saying at the start of using the winger I doubled up it with the fan of war to get mini crits and it works well.

[@Dropzoned]

Soda poper with winger is amazing.

[@AtomizerBaT]

My favorite Scout secondary- If you’re on Hightower you can jump up the main tower from below and get the drop on Soldiers spamming your spawn. It also makes the jump to mid on Granary easier :)

[@SolarIDK]

basher hop winger jumps and force-a-nature jumps are my favorite things about scout

[@IamDoru1]

Love your videos man!!! I like how you also include some of Toby Fox's OST's. Especially liked the part where you played "Undertale" as Scout was reminiscing about his death.

[@schniemand]

I recently found out that the 25% jump height bonus is actually more like a *50%* jump height bonus. What it increases by 25% is the jump _velocity,_ but the effect of that on jump height is squared. It increases the perfect double jump + crouch max height from 117 HU to 171 HU, which is a pretty big increase. This applies to MvM jump height upgrades, too. Buying 3 ticks of jump height and holding the Winger actually gives you *4x* jump height, not just 2x.

[@kaiyuanchen2107]

i think me and most other people prefer the atomizer over the winger, even though you can get some extra mobility with the winger, atomizer does essentially the same thing and also opens up your pistol slot for stock/pocket pistol. Im aware of the jumps you can get with both, but most are usually quite situational and you could get more kills with the pistol finishing people off at a distance than you could with the different spots both the weapons give you

[@keterpatrol7527]

The winger was the first strange I ever gotten. I traded it for a paint drop, if I recall correctly. Either way, the winger holds a special place in my heart

[@Sileevio]

Big Joey did a video on underrated TF2 KZbinrs, and I really feel like you deserved a mention, your video quality is top notch.

[@sebth5180]

Holy shit, the music in the background of the “More Jumpy” part gave me such a nostalgia blast, it’s from some Pokémon game on the Nintendo DC, I don’t remember the name, but I didn’t know how to play it, but I just loved walking around.

[@isolatedegg3234]

There are a few jumps where you will barely be unable to make it with the winger. However, just hold down crouch in mid air.

[@Ekid]

Winger kicks ass and has a cool design. The extra jump height is really fun to see how many weird little spots you can get into.

[@MrSad-gr6kk]

What brought me to the Winger is that I adored the movement of the Atomizer, but I wanna have access to the range of the Wrap Assassin. It’s been wonderful so far

[@HaydenX]

The Winger can also be combined with the Shortstop (and Wrap Assassin if feeling especially sneaky) for the ultimate mid-range Scout...a gameplay loop with absurd survivability and excellent harassment/finishing potential.

[@_jongo9092]

Your videos are sooo high quality. Keep making more! :D

[@elmaxoTF2]

thanks so much

[@rive3051]

ive been using this weapon forever. the jump boost it gives it is soo good

[@noitsjustcody]

Hands down my favorite Scout secondary. Great video dude!

[@prul]

this video nails exactly why its my secondary of choice! great commentary

[@carminewhite8786]

Your growing pretty damn quick, keep up the good work man!

[@Iron_Scott]

My man seriously put the soundtrack to Pokémon Mystery Dungeon in this video. What a legend.

[@shiv3rcubesolver664]

The winger is my go-to secondary on sujin, because you can gain control of the entirety of the high ground at once with it. you can become batman. its so cool.

[@zoomspilo6798]

I'm glad you made this video. I used to love the Winger but kinda got swayed by what everyone else was saying and stopped using it. This video reminded me of why I used to like it.

[@RustyKlowbi]

Thank to your winger scout advertisement. I'm going to use it tomorrow

[@thatoneguy4463]

kind of new to the game and recently got the winger, genuinely clueless with how some weapons effect gameplay, so this is definitely an eye opener!

[@KrahYT]

Video: "Scouts Most Underrated Weapon" Elmaxo: "KZbins Most Underrated Tftuber" I mean seriously, top notch quality. keep it up

[@elmaxoTF2]

[@frontierdustice]

May I present to you: the Force-a-Nature. Less shooty, more jumpy, *no winger or atomiser required* (if you master jumping with it)

[@ashleycd6487]

If you have all three, you can go to heaven*! *note: not actual heaven, real heaven is using winger on x100 servers

[@Cappy-Bara]

TL:DR Pro: Jump Good Con: Get Good

[@finphone7387]

i love how you use the treasure town theme for you background music (treasure town is from Pokémon mystery dungeon)

[@cloamker2533]

I don’t play much scout, but I usually use the winger when I do, I really like the added mobility and the extra damage is also nice considering the clip penalty, but overall I like using it to get places I shouldn’t be or just flanking enemies.

[@Stabs]

Love your editing, bro! Keep up the great work

[@GlitchyHypnoFlower72]

A idea for a scout sub-Class: Bird scout 1: Soda popper 2: The Winger 3: atomizer bat

[@izzytehwolf]

Ay someone else who appreciates the Winger. Great video as always.

[@maysonng2490]

4:27 I use something similar as a flat texture mod because i like how it looks but also since I’m using a FPS config so I also use it to hide the horrible details on maps

[@louiscrabbmarche]

Very good work. I love these videos man. Very nice and concise. Keep it up!

[@DanielNagy-ro4dq]

Not so long ago i realized how underrated the force a nature is. If you use it with the winger and the atomizer, you can perform four air jumps.

[@newturtle3]

The Soda popper winger atomizer loadout are scout's version of engy's rescue ranger wrangler eureka effect setup Always fun being able to jump onto a ledge for a sniper and sneak up infront of their scope only to unload 2 slugs into the. Or More humiliating atomizer bat taunt killing them 😂 People forget scout can counter sniper if they use their brains and use something else other than stock. Its really funny when you can simply double jump over a sentry's range too as it doesn't react fast enough turning around and up. Though takes practice.

[@pooperdooper7754]

I use this every time, pairs insanely well with the soda popper and gives you rocket jump mobility.

[@quacksalot5258]

The Dopamine rush I get when a new elmaxo vid releases is indescribable

[@Goon2]

holy your at 10k now man! congrats bro i knew you were gonna get kinda big

[@countskittlz3397]

I got a strange winger in 2014 and haven’t used another secondary since. Love the winger

[@Dr_Right2]

as a scout main, i use this use if you love parkour

[@catswork]

The winger is fuckinf amazing for the fact that it negetates splash damage from rockets, not to mention the massive utility it can have. I've gone 20-1 on hightower with singlehandedly the winger. probably my favorite scout weapon

[@fjiordor]

I appreciate the usage of the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Soundtrack