Elon Musk's Abandoned Plan To Grow Plants On Mars - Mars Oasis

[@scotth6814]

This reminded me of a science project i created for (grade 4?) school. I planted some carrots in an air-tight container, threw in a match to convert the oxygen in there to carbon dioxide, and put it in our freezer for several days. That's the most Mars-like conditions i could create as a kid 55 years ago. They actually revived when i pulled them out a few days later.

[@rowshambow]

I did something similar with moss and using a match in a jar

[@brunonikodemski2420]

Also, the air pressure on Mars is about that of a standard vacuum pump, that you can buy from Amazon. Growing anything in a "vacuum" surrounding your factory is just not going to work, ever. Any leak will just kill you, quickly.

[@aaronfredrickson9538]

Clever for grade 4

[@doncarlodivargas5497]

Unfortunately the greenhouse principle was not known in your childhood

[@RupertReynolds1962]

​@@doncarlodivargas5497 it was studied in the 1800s and the first predictions of global warming also in the 1800s, although it was the early 1900s before anyone called it the 'greenhouse' effect :-)

[@NeonVisual]

I can't even keep plants alive in my house

[@gitmoholliday5764]

Try a "Haworthia Limifolia" 😇

[@meditationsoundscapes5203]

put them outside

[@TheManLab7]

Best to get fake plastic one's then to be safe.

[@gitmoholliday5764]

@TheManLab7 or a picture on the wall.

[@stianskogstad4884]

@@meditationsoundscapes5203 From October to April it is darkness and -5c around 17:00 to 08:00 in average: where i live. Plants is not happy outside 😅

[@smallallday]

My wife and I are planning a road trip this summer to visit a bunch of the "moon trees". Fascinating story for any space/plant enthusiast.

[@GilWanderley]

Kerbal Space Program is back to Scott Manley's channel. Nature is healing.

[@noob19087]

This is the first video of his that I've watched in a while, so nothing seems out of the ordinary to me 😅

[@chuckkv]

You mother trucker! The Space Dynamics Lab is Utah _State_ University, not the university of utah. Thems fighting words! 😁

[@scottmanley]

Oh My GOD I'm so sorry. I know this can be an important point like confusing the University Of Glasgow vs Strathclyde Glasgow vs Glasdow Caledonian University etc.

[@chuckkv]

@scottmanley You get one. ☝️ 😂

[@normalhuman9260]

Good stuff guy,lol

[@danboy12342]

Out of interest Scott, are you a strathy? I get that vibe

[@RCAvhstape]

@@scottmanley It's like University of Pennsylvania (aka Penn) vs Pennsylvania State University (aka Penn State). People confuse this in conversation all the time, and the Penn Ivy Leaguers really hate it.

[@atlasz911]

The whole experiment could be executed on lunar surface. The dome can get a little shield to lower the sunlight. Gravity would be a bit lower, delivery much cheaper, no need to use a biocide.

[@dotnet97]

I vaguely recall that China did do something like that on the Moon

[@Mark_Bridges]

The experiment could have been conducted on Earth. Fly the plants around to expose them to radiation (or irradiate them on Earth, even easier), land them on Earth, set up artificial Mars conditions, experiment for as long as you want.

[@edgarwalk5637]

Elon can pay for it, he has enough government money.

[@dotnet97]

@@Mark_Bridges actually doing it on Mars was the point

[@TRIEDZIIDONO]

@@Mark_Bridges that probably happened to the last thing we ate anyway.

[@garychisholm2174]

Haven't lost your touch, that looks really cool 👍

[@ronwatkins5775]

With regards to the planetary protection rules, how does that work with Starship? After all, you have a huge stainless steel body exposed to earth atmosphere during launch and it would land on Mars with whatever it picked up between manufacture and orbit...

[@WasatchWind]

I'm guessing we'll learn more when they get close to that point. I'm sure they'll face a lot of regulatory stuff to to through that we'll be able to read some of.

[@obsidianjane4413]

Not just at launch. The things are pretty much built in the open air, right on a wind-swept coastal marsh. That said the rules are dumb and pointless in the long run if you expect dirty nasty humans to be there some day.

[@TheGahta]

​@@WasatchWindyeah but it will be in lawsuits, you don't need to concern yourself with the fantasy this stuff is going anywhere let alone reach a different planet 😂

[@WasatchWind]

@@obsidianjane4413 No? Maybe a few years ago, but Starship's now are manufactured in actual buildings, and will be in more controlled environments as time goes on.

[@WasatchWind]

@@TheGahta Do you have any source for that claim? SpaceX is the most prolific rocket company on the planet. Why do so many people such as yourself consider this to be an impossible task? I gather the reason is largely because you do not like Elon Musk. I do not like Elon either. I like SpaceX. I have followed the company for a decade, and seen that they have a very capable team. If you are so happy at the prospect of Starship failing, why are you even watching a space centric KZbin channel? If you are an actual spaceflight enthusiast, you will want Starship to succeed in it's goals.

[@billtruttschel]

Please forgive this newb question, but do rocket engineers use Kerbal for professional applications at all? Or is it an entertainment-only kind of software?

[@scottmanley]

Useful for mockups and visualization, not for real engineering

[@KerbalRocketry]

sorta, I've known it to be used to give graduates a better understand of astrodynamics terms as it's a very easy to use visualiser of orbital manoeuvrers. generally most have some experience with it already, and those that don't end up playing many hours in their own time for fun. win-win of having people know their way around astrodynamics lingo as well as concepts like "speed up to slow down". KSP's 2-body physics are far too rudimentary for actual astrodynamic applications, but the same concept of 2-body patched conics has historically been used for first-cut mission planning of interplanetary trajectories back when you couldn't just throw the problem at an optimisation algorithm

[@nathanaelvetters2684]

Entertainment and beginner education. Play a bit of KSP and you'll understand astrodynamics basics intuitively, which helps greatly if you study it later so you're not just lost in math. After that, not just utility, just fun. It's too simplistic. Real astrodynamics is done with advanced software and a lot of computing power, because there are SO many disturbance forces. KSP assumes only one force at any given time (when in space and no thrust), which conveniently allows orbits to be defined by simple equations and that's why you have time warp. IRL you have solar wind and gravity from various massive bodies in deep space, and in LEO you have drag, oblateness of the earth as well as gravitational anomalies (dense spots that affect the gravitational field), the moon, and still solar wind all twisting your orbit around. Only way to calculate all that is brute force computer power, calculating all those forces every x amount of time to determine a trajectory with usually runge-kutta approximations to integrate it.

[@simongeard4824]

It's a great tool for _teaching_ the principles of rocketry and orbital mechanics, but it has little value for actually working in those fields... it's not a hi-fidelity simulation, so you wouldn't use it to plan an actual Mars mission.

[@otterylexa4499]

There's that xkcd graph of knowledge of orbital mechanics against time with labelled points like working for JPL and playing KSP.

[@CheffBryan]

Would be kind of pointless if it has zero interaction with the planet itself, beyond just sitting there. If we know the composition of the soil and atmosphere, then how about sampling both inside the vessel? Prepackaged growing mediums as mentioned, but with a gradient so as to introduce plants from 0 to 90% Martian soil after collection is made and the vessel is resealed. Do rows of similar plants for control, same watering and heat

[@nathanaelvetters2684]

Because that would be ridiculously complicated and become a multi-million dollar mission instead of a relatively low budget one it was intended to be. Automating all those processes would be onerous. Certainly not impossible, just very expensive and difficult. I understand your frustration with it (why not just send it to the moon, or even just LEO?) but I think it's largely symbolic. Plus, it has slightly more than zero interaction with the planet. It gets the near-24h day, the ambient temp, and the solar intensity. A decent general idea of the difficulty of growing plants there; if anything it will only be easier if you can compress the atmosphere to utilize and perhaps detoxify the Martian soil to make it suitable to introduce into the growing medium (those perchlorates are nasty- will take some clever chemistry to fix that issue).

[@rustybayonet]

I agree. Landing on, or even traveling to, Mars was redundant. A robotic greenhouse could do all those things in LEO: not to mention that plants have been growing on ISS for 25 years. Most kindly, this was a publicity stunt. Unkindly, it was an ego trip.

[@HALLish-jl5mo]

The entire point was to inspire. Must thought that space exploration was held back by a lack of interest, and this was the most inspiring, most interesting mission he could afford. Then he costed it and realized space exploration was held back because rockets were too expensive and set about fixing that instead. It wasn't about science, or proving anything.

[@sulljoh1]

Ah the days of innocence..

[@michiganlineman357]

@@sulljoh1 blind lefty hate nothing more.

[@adrianinglis5922]

That was back when elon had less hair and was less of an arsehole.

[@mzleveli]

Where are any Spacex R&D projects for Mars habitats?

[@motokid6008]

To be determined. No need spending time on that until Starship orbital refuel is proven. And the heatshield. Then maybe FoD on martian landing/takeoff. If they can figure that out the rest is trivial.

[@marvhollingworth663]

Is it just me or is the word "biocide" 1 of the most terrifying words ever uttered by a human?

[@danielbrowniel]

life-killer

[@maartentoors]

Panspermicide would be the correct wording :p Either words truely represent us.. :(

[@meditationsoundscapes5203]

Cytotoxic warning should definitely be heeded. I think labels should say Cell Killer

[@RCAvhstape]

I call that for a metal band name!

[@enisra_bowman]

Musk is also a Genocide Denier, so quite fitting

[@S-L-J]

As always, this is an excellent analysis of contemporary spacefaring challenges. Some comments suggest people want Mr. Manley to discuss Elon Musk's ideological and political activities. However, avoiding such discussions does not imply that Musk is flawless in every aspect-this need not be addressed here. I appreciate having a channel focused on space and rocket science without ideological baggage. Those unable to separate pure engineering from ideology might as well demand discussions about Newton’s problematic personality. Newton, (if you ask me) arguably the "Musk" of the 17th century, had also character flaws, yet his positive legacy in physics and mathematics remains invaluable. Thank you, Mr. Manley, for keeping the channel ideology-free!

[@unicorn12345]

Was the chamber going to be pressurized to earth standard atmosphere? I assume it would have to be pressurized enough to allow for liquid water to exist.

[@cgourin]

As far as life is concerned Mars atmosphere is outer space, the soil is toxic waste, the weather is in average a pro flash freezer and the only cosiness is the radiation of a sinking Russian submarine, that's why people want to live there if they can afford the multi billion $ visa.

[@iamsick5204]

I dont think any plant could handle mars low pressure. Keeping earth pressure in a chamber wouldnt be difficult.

[@aaron6516]

Would be nice to see this get picked up again.

[@quillaja]

I recently finished "Cryptonomicon" and I've done a kind of double take in the recent few videos which mention Cantrell.

[@swapshots4427]

I'm almost as sick of his name now, as I am of tRump.

[@whosjulez1157]

Right wing populist boyband in the making 😖

[@Hoopaball]

How about a RatSat rescue mission? It's still in orbit, perhaps the kestrel engine could be reused...

[@ericlotze7724]

Relived but mildly disappointed to learn RatSat had nothing to do with Rodent Astronauts…

[@ericlotze7724]

On this note though discussion of/simulation of that rodent in different artificial gravities station would be neat!

[@notgay89]

Happy holidays Mr. Scott. Greatly appreciate your work and wish you well.

[@lerssilarsson6414]

Elon's abandoned plan to grow radiation hardened high-THC hemp on Mars - what Elon has been stuffing into his pipe lately ;-?

[@wernerviehhauser94]

well seasoned lead-paint woodchip wallpaper would have been my guess.....

[@RussTillling]

Super production Scott, thank you!

[@Vtarngpb]

4:43 Wait… a *_CREW STAGE???_*

[@archierush868]

I think he meant “cruise” stage, the stage which supports the spacecraft during the trip to Mars.

[@obsidianjane4413]

# plantlivesmatter

[@rogerreger9631]

@@obsidianjane4413 Salads = mass murder

[@wernerviehhauser94]

​@archierush868 he does say "cruise".

[@dougsinthailand7176]

Then suddenly probes detect earth like life on Mars. A miracle!

[@ismailnyeyusof3520]

So that’s why he wanted to buy those Soviet rockets! I always thought it was just to help develop his own rocket engines. Elon has always had specific goals that were big and audacious.

[@venturestar]

because no one knew him and he lacked access to technology and money at the time.

[@JimmyZNJ]

I'd love to see this done!

[@CptJoeCR]

Question: At what point will we get rid off or make an exception for the 'planetary protection rules' you mentioned? I mean if we want to colonize anything we have to start putting plants, bacteria, and humans (and all their nasty biology!) out there in a permanent and 'colonization' kind of way right?

[@obsidianjane4413]

At the point where there is a geopolitical or economic motive to do so, it will go out the window. Its only there because governments don't care and/or it impedes other players. Just like the Antarctic Treaty will be ignored if some unobtanium were discovered there.

[@atomf9143]

Probably once we get people on a semi-permanent settlement on another celestial body, and once we've ruled out the possibility of alien life there. After we make sure of those two things, people will start to ask, "what's the harm of dropping a few seeds here?" Until then, contamination and potentially diluting potential alien life remain concerns.

[@swapshots4427]

Vigorous retrieval/Testing of the bags of feces left on the Moon will help determine that.

[@edwardevans7219]

I LIKE THE OLD THEME MUSIC !!!!!!!!!!

[@sferrin2]

Bet they wish they'd sold him those ICBMs now. 🤣🤣🤣

[@dXXPacmanXXb]

why

[@smugfrog8111]

@@dXXPacmanXXb Seriously?

[@sferrin2]

@@dXXPacmanXXb Because SpaceX is eating their lunch. If they'd sold him the ICBMs that might have scratched his itch.

[@ElusiveAffinityEchosAlignment]

@@dXXPacmanXXb bcs spacex reengineered their own solutions of 'broomsticks' which are far superior in the end ;)

[@Viracocha711]

@@dXXPacmanXXb Because Elon is just like the Russians! He's an arrogant Oligarch with zero value for human beings while at the same time lying about what righteous moral savior he is...Just like Putin does! Not mention he lies about everything else & meddles in every democratic election in the free world in an effort to elect non-democratic authoritarian candidates. And he's BFF with Xi Jinping. ;)

[@Aphthous]

I usually don’t like correcting small mistakes, but Space Dynamics Lab is at Utah State University, not University of Utah. Aggies not Utes. Some of us care. 😊

[@antoineroquentin2297]

Isn't that this conspiracy theorist from twitter?

[@emmanuelchavez7748]

The same dude who has a burner account where he roleplays as a child

[@FossilTunes]

Yes.. its about that guy that thinks that the reincarnation of Hitlers NSDAP is the "only way to save germany" in the next general elections (February 2025)

[@FromSpace488]

Saying that is not productive in this context.

[@Juttutin]

​@FromSpace488 yet somehow still more productive than your reply...

[@FromSpace488]

@@Juttutin It seems to be quite productive at making you seethe, lmao.

[@amotriuc]

This is funny, so Russia did boot strap Elon Musk to be their biggest completion by refusing to sell a rocket. Interesting what would have happen if they did sell it.

[@HalNordmann]

It still wouldn't go through, as he wanted a ridiculously low price (not even Falcon 9 is so cheap), and the planetary protection rules would stop it anyway

[@RoryMacdonald-pfff]

Is there any ‘agreement’ on what people can launch into space, and potentially onto another planet? And if there is - how is it enforced? (I thought this story was heading for a dead end because someone told Elon he wasn’t allowed to do it - which got me thinking about this question)

[@Allthegoodhandlesaretakenlmao]

The only one I know about is the one saying no nukes in space. It would be cool to learn about any others

[@jonlamontagne]

Money is your limitation😂😂

[@custardo]

I have no issue with launching Musk into space. That would only be the one extra piece of space debris.

[@obsidianjane4413]

The Outer Space Treaty puts the responsibility on nation-states to regulate. You can do anything you want as long as you can get a government to sign off on it and take on the liability for damages or violation of the the OST.

[@D1ndo]

@@williamstock3007 That really isn't the same thing. Rovers and other payloads are heavily sanitized and kept in a clean room to prevent cross contamination. Sometimes stuff is just literally baked in an oven before the launch to kill any living bacteria. Sending live seeds with tons of organic material in a portable greenhouse, that's a very different situation.

[@paulburrell4120]

Really enjoy these what if scenarios

[@ReneSchickbauer]

1:30 3.5 tons to LEO? Even with a decently sized MIRV bus, this sounds like a lot of payload capability for an ICBM. The cold war never ceases to be ever more terryfying with every bit of knowledge you gain. And yes, looking it up (on Wikipedia), the large version of the rocket could carry ten 800 kt warheads, with a planned variant that could carry up to 38(!) 250 kt yield warheads, because completely flattening ten cities with a single rocket is _obviously_ not deadly enough... We humans as a whole should maybe have a calm sit down together and think of a better way of resolving our differences... *sigh*

[@jeffreypierson2064]

My guess is that the USSR planned on a lot of their ICBMs failing. Overkill was necessary to get an effective strike.

[@imaginary_friend7300]

@@jeffreypierson2064 They were not terribly confident in their accuracy either. That was a big part of MIRV's for them.

[@TomHill-xh7ec]

This must be a later version of the probe. The one I heard about was going to scoop Mars regolith up, analyze it for what was needed, add the necessary chemicals, and then grow plants. Probably too many difficulties with that approach.

[@darkvegetablematter]

Elmo was and is a carnival barker, who knew?

[@MCsCreations]

Well... I hope he ends up doing it. It would definitely be a fun mission! Thanks, Scott! 😊 Happy holidays! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@TC2290-wh5cb]

If he can grow it as well as his artificial hairline it'll be golden.

[@markgrayson7514]

All the missions go to the northern hemisphere, so they don't know the Marsians still live in Lowell City.

[@covenant11]

What happened to Elon Musk's plan to be a good person?

[@Juan-qv5nc]

That plan is well funded and backed by the elect government of the United States of America.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

Money. edit: to clarify, you don't need to be nice to people when you can just pay to have them moved out of your way.

[@DirtiHerri]

Abandoned to save administrative costs

[@edgarwalk5637]

I doubt he ever was. His plan to look good is failing.

[@Techpriest1010]

Money doesn't corrupt people, it just shows them as who they truly are.

[@grahambuckerfield4640]

Maybe a more substantial and with SpaceX’s own experience by then, generally better version of this might have been a better payload for Falcon Heavy’s first launch?

[@O_Dingo77]

Elon the Mars horticulturalist instead of Elon the Earth megalomaniac is something I would like to see.

[@shannonkohl68]

Little did the space industry realize the consequences of not selling to a potential customer.

[@Michael-ul7kv]

Imagine our world with Russia and China as the only access to manned spaceflight. We're blessed to have Elon.

[@solderbuff]

* we were blessed to have Elon. Now he is an empty shell of the man he used to be.

[@goss1961]

Cursed, more like. He's becoming a right-wing megalomaniac.

[@danialhamid7784]

Do anyone know the name of outro music?

[@sidharthcs2110]

Contaminating a celestial body with bio mass from earth?

[@LunarOutlawsGarage]

Right what about the space whales

[@entity_unknown_]

Yes please, it's an obviously dead planet did you not know

[@jeffspaulding9834]

That's what Scott was talking about when he mentioned "planetary protection rules" toward the end of the video. If NASA was involved at all in the project, they'd insist that everything be sterilized at the end of the experiment and that no biomass was allowed into the Martian environment.

[@anatollegros3454]

​@@entity_unknown_ contamination is a huge problem even on "dead" bodies. Once a sample is contaminated you have no way of knowing if you discovered extraterestrial biosignatures or just organic compounds/organisms from earth. Thats why all spacecraft landing on mars have to go through a strict protocol of sterilisation. If you want to send a biological payload to mars you would have to go through an extremely carefull process of ensuring that it would be contained.

[@entity_unknown_]

@jeffspaulding9834 dude there is no life on Mars. Find life then we'll talk about it, but NASA hasn't ever found life so what are they worried about? There will only be life there if we make it so. It's ridiculous, because we have the power to bring a whole world to life like this. It might be fitting if we destroy this one. Environmentalists should support this. It's clearly a lifeless world but it doesn't have to be

[@Helyyx]

With Strarship being so big, I could see a mission sending an entire prebuilt biodome of not just plants but grown food for the astronauts who eventually make it there. Something fully automated and can keep a basic crops in a vertical farm layout. Essentually the entire sides of the craft would need to drop off much like the farings of many rockets today and have a glass (or plexiglass) layer beneath it to allow the plants to get actual sun. It would be pretty ambitious but with the larger payload availble, why not? Plus the potential for a permanet greenhouse for study and future visits.. I would expect this particular Starship would never return so as long it can make itself planted (pun) as a permanent structure into the martian surface could provide long term study and even food resource for future missions.

[@salty_berserker_channel]

Its the first question id ask elon if i was able to talk to him. Does he still want to do that now that he has the resources

[@lesliespeaker668]

You mean now that he can waste tax payer's money?

[@sulljoh1]

*That* would be your first question? In Dec 2024??

[@alanrickett2537]

Yes and no yes, he wants to send plants to mars, no he doesn't want to do it this way

[@salty_berserker_channel]

​​@@lesliespeaker668by being the cheapest ride to space, by a long shot? You are not making sense.. we could go back to ULA 😂

[@salty_berserker_channel]

​@@sulljoh1yes. He's a man that usually doesn't quit, doesn't give up. So I wonder if it's still on his mind to do this mission

[@sub-vibes]

With a thicker atmosphere and potentially warmer temps the deepest parts of Valles Marineris requires more exploration, methinks.

[@grindsaur]

Mission: Contaminate Mars... 🙄

[@bristleconepine4120]

I miss your KSP videos, and I'm never awake when you stream on Twitch! I'd love to see more!

[@S1nwar]

it does sound like a waste of money

[@fagocitotico]

I once pitched the idea of sending a "space bucket" on a mission to mars a few years before Elon . which is way cooler

[@lesliespeaker668]

He must have forgot because he's so busy establishing fascism in the USA now.

[@everybodyants]

Yeah, probably so

[@breezyx976]

Fascism? Bro is literally in charge of DOGE, an agency seeking to reduce government overreach lol

[@MEZ92]

still bitter about the election huh lol

[@VG_164]

The word "fascism" is really just another word now for anybody redditors don't like now huh?

[@endsinvention1390]

How ignorant. Apologies for this persons comment Scott

[@dvdschaub]

In the 1970s I was a grad student in Zoology. At the beginning of each school year the department would gather, and each student would introduce themselves and describe their research interest. I was told that one year one of the physiologists joked that he was doing research on raising earthworm in a Martian environment. I LOL every time I think about it. Just think, if he had played his cards right, he might have been the richest man on earth, or even President.

[@ajctrading]

Elon Cohagan will be charging and billing the Settler Martians air by the pound. "Tesla Air- dont leave home without it"

[@justinodom4189]

Love your channel. Watched this at 4:20pmct today lol

[@Tarx66]

Eihän sitä rahaa sinne avaruuteen viedä. Rahat jää tänne Telluksen pinnalle.

[@wewillrockyou1986]

he will use DOGECOIN 🤣

[@AndrewTubbiolo]

Bio-isolation would have been a nightmare on that mission.

[@zwerko]

Musk said something outrageous (...ly stupid), then walked back from it? Impossible, never happened!

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

Correct! That's about as likely as a Congressman going for a Shuttle joyride that bumps Greg Jarvis to the fateful "Challenger", and subsequently becoming NASA Administrator. No one would have the nerve to set foot in NASA after a death-dealing stunt like that, much less be asked to run the place.

[@Michaelonyoutub]

This would break biological contamination rules, but it would be interesting if during this experiment, they vented the crops to the outside atmosphere, almost certainly killing them, freezing them, and messing up the air mix, but then tried to bring them back. Like is there certain root vegetables that could survive short exposure and start regrowing once conditions are back to normal? I am kinda thinking of a "The Martian" situation where the crops get exposed after the failure of an airlock. Assuming humans could repair the integrity of the greenhouse envelope, could the plants come back after that? Is the dirt fine as long as it is warmed up again? Would moisture in the dirt freeze and remain there as ice/frost, or vaporize and escape with the atmosphere? Setting up farming on Mars for the first time is going to be hard, complicated, and disaster prone/ridden. An experiment like this can help us conceptualize a lot of potential challenges we might face and how we might possibly be able to deal with them so we can prepare.

[@atlasz911]

That venting experiment can be done in your garage if you have a vacuum chamber and the right gas mixture in a bittle.

[@tomgoss6401]

I don't think Elon is going to go down in history in a good way. Arrogant, self-entitled jerk, imo.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

Quite a few parallels both good and bad between him and Henry Ford BTW, right down to their opinions on labor relations and The Jewish Problem. But Musk doesn't maintain a goon squad, content with simply firing people who veer from what he wants to hear. And Ford didn't have Twitter, so he self-published a newspaper alerting America to the threat posed by Jews.

[@motokid6008]

He will go down in history much the same way of Howard Hughes. Incredible achievements, but a highly disturbed individual. Most innovators in history were bad people. Think about that next time you use your phone or travel on a plane or drive a car.

[@marcmcreynolds2827]

@@motokid6008 Already deleted after twenty minutes, but I posted something similar on the parallels good and bad with Henry Ford.

[@stpaulmercantile]

Leon Musk is the single most accomplished man on the planet. Are you mad because you’re afraid his work on DOGE might result in you not getting your college loan paid off by the guh+ment?

[@Michael-ul7kv]

🤪🤪

[@brettwoodard167]

Thanks Scott!

[@tiber574]

Elon has abandon a lot of things common sense, reality, thruth

[@RichMitch]

Children

[@bryanb3352]

How's that Russia collusion stuff going?

[@JT_771]

Speaking of abandoning reality ...

[@common_c3nts]

Musk has to be on brain killing drugs that made him like this. The guy has fried his brain.

[@johnhoofman9431]

Tell me thruth

[@chubeye1187]

Hard enough growing in my greenhouse in winter

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

There's a long list of abandoned plans.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

Everyone has them.

[@LunarOutlawsGarage]

Everyone has dreams and ambitions. The question is what are your successes?

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

​@@UncleKennysPlacenot when it involves 250 k deposits on cars and billions of taxpayers money. Hows tesla solar, Roof, Boring company, Hyperloop Roadster Full self driving? He is now the company he used to deride.

[@tomservo5007]

@@UncleKennysPlace "Everyone has them.", not everyone is using our tax money on their failed plans

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

​@@LunarOutlawsGarage address the comment. My successes are of no interest to this

[@andrewkaylor2416]

2026: "... and then they sent banana trees to Mars."

[@Xeronimo74]

Musk is so overrated. So much vaporware

[@motokid6008]

He owns the largest most successful space flight company in history. You can hate Musk without spreading misinformation. Theres plenty of real information to do that.

[@ingenparks]

Yes, that 400 foot tall rocket is "vaporware". So are the millions of cars. Please. Grow up. This is not how adults have political disagreements.

[@paoloolivieri8718]

I love your quests on KSP. I wonder if there would be one worth doing and uploading on KZbin in the new version

[@tsr207]

What happened to this channel ? it used to discuss serious aerospace issues - now it's fallen into the trap of "what have beens" and "possibilities"that so many space themed channels end up in....

[@entity_unknown_]

Don't worry we'll have plenty to talk about when Elon goes to Mars

[@entity_unknown_]

At least he's trying something. Like I don't know what kind of content i should focus on. It's hard

[@classydave75]

The Musk effect. But Manley does it pretty well. Not bad mouthing psycho fascist Musk (imperative rule) but not d!ck riding him too obviously. Threading the needle! The Musk cult member hoard is enormous. That's good for views, provided you put aside your morals and ride along the Musk train... Sad but it's only going to get worse. You'll see.

[@GrandProtectorDark]

Nothing happened to this Channel. Space Related Concepts and ideas that never came to fruition, have been a part of Scott's space coverage for basically as long as the channel exists.

[@andyd8370]

He's still got it, folks.

[@Hurricane1668]

Getting a bit sick and tired of Musk, Musk, Musk It's Gwynne Shotwell who runs the damn company.

[@allanchurm]

yep thats correct

[@TheScottbb1]

Yeah. There’s no rule saying you have to be smart to have money.

[@Juan-qv5nc]

@@TheScottbb1 Or to write comments on Yotube

[@jsonjsoff]

😂😂 the salt mines are flowing

[@ingenparks]

Listen to any interview with Shotwell and you'll be disillusioned right quick. Or, if you assume she's just trying to not get fired, there are loads of people Elon has fired who will tell you who runs the company: Elon. Just because you hate his political opinions does not make him automatically an idiot in every field. It is possible to be talented in one area and idiotic in another.

[@davijoe2002]

Would love another KSP series!

[@homerbloodysimpson]

"...now that he has 3 and a half tons of payload to low earth orbit, maybe Mars Oasis might once again emerge in some form" ... hint 8-)

[@magnetospin]

Yea, I don't know what he's talking about since SpaceX has far more than 3.5 tons of stuff in LEO.

[@jdmather5755]

I thought he was still working on getting a single banana into orbit?

[@TheNitram8]

Money and buzzwords can move mountaind but i think Mars is a tall order

[@2handsandwiches]

He can't even get past low Earth orbit 60 years after the supposed moon landing, pathetic, I'd be ashamed of myself.

[@matwyder4187]

@@2handsandwiches For the "supposed" adjective you don't even need to go hypothetical, go ahead, feel the shame, well deserved. By the way who is "he"?

[@domoredujordan]

@@2handsandwiches Except falcon heavy car payload went beyond the orbit of Mars

[@2handsandwiches]

@domoredujordan of course it did..

[@2handsandwiches]

@@matwyder4187 Elon is he who spits snake oil.

[@VikOlliver]

I got to launch my satellite (TrailBlazer 1) on an SS18. Very exciting, but ran into a few teensy legal issues. Ah, the smell of nostalgia.

[@adak2050]

Honestly I think the getting to Mars is the easy part (all Musk is in for). It's the living there that will be the challenge. Lack of atm. pressure, increase radiation, sandstorms, perchlorates in the soil (toxic to humans). We need a logical plan. Build a large rotating space station first as a transfer point to negate Earth's gravity well. Then learn to survive on the moon (3 days away), build habitats, water extraction, O2/CO2, power/food. Then Mars and beyond. A logical progression, not this let's just go cause it's cool..

[@zachhoy]

It's going to take many decades to send humans to Mars. First need to figure out all those things you mentioned, and get robots there to prepare etc. We are not even close to that.

[@EtzEchad]

Did they plan to grow potatoes?

[@allanchurm]

lol

[@darwinchapmam6343]

😂😂

[@maf654321]

Bit disappointed in the clickbait framing of the title, Scott. Now this comment section is gonna be a partisan mess instead of talking at all about the actual content.

[@context_eidolon_music]

You're not talking about the content.

[@AC-jk8wq]

Seems pretty calm today…. 😃

[@totlyepic]

"Partisan" as in acknowledging Musk as a slimy oligarch who steals credit from actual engineers and scientists?

[@classydave75]

Yeah well, the Musk cult member audience is big. Very big. That's good for views, even just with a clickbait framing to attract them like flies on sh!t... Other imperative rule, never bad mouth Musk. You've been warned.

[@TheGahta]

Yeah calling it a plan instead of "nice soundbites with a presentation attached" is really stretching it But then again, we are in for a treat when it comes down at the end so why not give them enough rope 😂

[@katmandoism]

Question, why not push demos into mars to release below surface water?

[@imaginary_friend7300]

How exactly do you plan to do that, and how does that release any water?

[@motokid6008]

That might do the trick, but we dont have the rocket power to deorbit even a small moon.

[@ValuedTeamMember]

Very COoL. I haven't been this intrigued since I found out my "hot sister" was adopted. Just saying Thank you Sir Manley... You continue to RoCk!

[@Zippezip]

It is the Manley!

[@T3chIdiot]

the martian if it had an even bigger budget:

[@markhuebner7580]

Mars oasis on a Falcon9 might make the soonest Mars launch window?

[@kend1964]

It seems his interest in getting to Mars has taken a detour.

[@Mandanara]

more of a publicity stunt to drum up support

[@dancingdog2790]

How so? Starlink was created to drive (internal) demand for launch, to drive down costs, and to throw off enough cash to fund development of Starship (the earlier version was called Mars Colonial Transport). Seems like he's on track, kind of like winning capitalism, and pissing off the regulators so they forced him to buy Twitter, then ruining it, then "somehow" winding up with the new President as his sock puppet. When is that fool gonna learn that he's not so smart? Oh wait...

[@domoredujordan]

The capital needed to try and make humanity multiplanetary requires more than just Spacex being a successful company. He must think beyond that one company. That is why he is a part of all this other random stuff like cars, paypal, social media etc.

[@JorisRobijn]

Since you're changing outro tune on every video... Why not use the original happy tune on every video containing Kerbal simulations?

[@TheLastZeekasaur]

If Elon can't breed with it, it's not going to mars. 😂

[@ingenparks]

Dear People who hate Elon, It is possible for someone to simultaneously intelligent in one area, and foolish in another. Insisting that someone is all bad or all good, in blatant contradiction of the evidence, is a sign of a childish mentality.

[@imaginary_friend7300]

They are children. 99% of them can't reason as well as a half bright 6 year old. They're Muppets. They get told what to think and like the good mindless drones they are they think what they're told. NONE of them can think for themselves. It's stupid at a catastrophic level.

[@Buzz_Purr]

Alright, Elon no longer wants to grow plants on Mars. However, the most important part of the plan is still the Soylent Green factory.

[@joyl7842]

Amazing approximation of what might have been!

[@chad872]

Should send Elon to mars see if he grows

[@michaelnorth3666]

With brain chip installed first.!

[@michaelnorth3666]

ONE WAY....!

[@DirtiHerri]

@@michaelnorth3666 Brain chip is already installed. Unfortunately, they also installed the firmware for dictators and right-wing extremists.

[@seabreezecoffeeroasters7994]

A little more Special K and he will go full Vegetable.

[@Techpriest1010]

Make him the first Servitor.

[@MrTubeuser12]

He could grow potatoes, it worked for "the Martian"

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

Elons plans are now schrodinger's cat.

[@amentco8445]

You'll still be saying this when starship gets people back to the moon, and when they land one on mars. he overpromises but still delivers more than his competition when the time does arrive. WAY more.

[@Bow-to-the-absurd]

​@@amentco8445 so, why does he get a pass for not delivering?

[@Viracocha711]

@@Bow-to-the-absurd EXACTLY!!! ...Not only that & why does he get a pass for being such a pathetic POS!! Yes, he's done some amazing things but the CULT FOLLOWING he has especially from people I once thought had a firm tool box in their mind of critical thinking tools seriously troubles me!!!

[@bryanb3352]

@@Viracocha711 What's pathetic exactly? Is that your TDS talking?

[@amentco8445]

​@@Bow-to-the-absurdI don't really enjoy overhype, but you need to be a hypeman to get business. Doesn't change the fact his company is still far faster than the competition.

[@flyguy1237]

Do you still play KSP every now and then for fun Scott?

[@jursamaj]

I predict Musk will keep making grandiose claims about Mars missions, but he'll never actually send anything meaningful. Mars is much more useful to him as a propaganda tool than an actual destination.

[@2handsandwiches]

Exactly, but there are too many brainwashed star Trek fantasists out there believing this stuttering clown.

[@domoredujordan]

false

[@jdmather5755]

Facts!

[@motokid6008]

Starship will most likely start test flights to Mars in the 26/28 synods. They just need to figure out orbital refuel in 25.

[@irishroyster]

Spider plants. Send them they live through little or no maintanence

[@obsidianjane4413]

Kudzu. Mars would be totally green by now.

[@jacara1981]

As with all things Musk, take his timeline and add a few decades.

[@allanchurm]

elons brother has been evolving the plant to grow ready for sending to mars for years ?? ive not heard anything to say that failed ?? where did this info come from

[@otockian]

Shocker, the only thing he is good at is abandoning his dumb ass claims.

[@Wayoutthere]

GO back to your Thunderclown posse please

[@anthonypelchat]

Shocker, another blind hater has no idea what he's talking about.

[@reggiep75]

@Wayoutthere But facts are facts and the evidence of Felon's massive failings are there for EVERYONE TO SEE. How about some copium, I know a dealer.