Elon Musk's 'Dota 2' Experiment is Disrupting Esports in a Big Way - No Playing Field

[@nickmeyer238]

The baiting part is interesting. The bot doesn't know it's baiting. It just learned that anytime it had low HP opponents were more likely to come attack it so it started to favor intentionally lowering HP even though it's being told that damage is bad it is also being told kills are better. Crazy how it almost goes against what it's being told to do in order to do exactly what it's being told to do. Love it.

[@JBDossie]

I really got a kick out of that. These AI are going to completely change and reinvent human innovation and make things efficient in ways that we need. It also has many other implications in the world that could be negative or positive so im thankful that Elon is getting involved so he can help make this shit safer that is his goal anyways.

[@justinickaylene9026]

Detroit: Become Human

[@aknakcam4677]

They can code which command is more important. If they coded winning and killing enemy is primary goal so it can act like that.

[@KingEnixi]

Wouldnt it simply be.. taking damage has a lower priority than getting a kill..? In other words, taking damage is a worthy trade if it means achieving a kill.

[@JinKnight]

Saving a human life is good, saving a group of humans is better. Sacrifice a few to save the group. Ayyy we're close.

[@vicu400]

I guess it's no longer an insult if you get called a bot

[@JunkTrunk11]

Goro Senpai NPC1097987

[@aok9153]

Easy bots are better than some players lol

[@omegalul9629]

bot = insult machine = gud

[@stevethea5250]

1:52 the sound of this atmosphere gave me goosebumps! *_HE'S GOING IN_*

[@maruftim]

Steve Thea wow.

[@tonycarpaccio9550]

Pffft this is nothing, I've been losing to bots in games online for years 😩

[@anhkiet8306]

Muahahah bots are fucke. Useless even for tutorial in dota 2. And this was only a laning stage. U know what i never thought dota would even connect with people who doesnt know it. Just like rap in old days that only certain group of people knows about it. That is how dota is like. If ur not one of the group u just dont understand anything and theres no way to relate to that. Until this AI came thats how we even relating to one another. I cant explain something u dont even fucken understand

[@rafanaufal9702]

Ever try Arma3? lol The bot are so real like a Pro player

[@nemosimplitticus50]

Dave England 😂😂😂😂

[@mohammadzeqlam5098]

Bots are programmes to beat you .. AI is programmed to watch others play and learn from them such as humans .

[@smiley235]

Dave England lol the game bots are retarded, just pick AM, can't lose. They Tp their whole team whenever you even look at their tower. And later when you decide to push, expect your allied bots to start farming. Hope they get this 5v5 AI working.

[@zacheryherron3958]

The real question is, how does it do at _minecraft pvp?_

[@fenixmartin854]

PūRPLE *questions science still can't answer.

[@adrianhebreros]

@Bzkre ThTr LOL I LOF U

[@Crispy_pata]

Lol!

[@youlooktired6104]

How good is it at fortnite

[@derpmasterjee323]

@@youlooktired6104 it's kinda cheating if the bots play shooter games because they can have 100 accuracy

[@metarukarakuri783]

But hows it at trash talking and going AFK ?

[@paulvanderkolf7986]

They should just develop an algorythm that monitors the enemy players internet history and social media outlets and then formulate trash talk from that

[@PACKERMAN2077]

Paul van der Kolf with automatic SWAT protocols cross referencing IP addresses and instantly giving the identity information and location of the other player to authorities

[@paulvanderkolf7986]

Yeah totally...they should also bug all the phones

[@chris11sholtz]

Yeah, let's not teach it that. I don't want to get trash talked by skynet before it kills me.

[@PACKERMAN2077]

chris11sholtz it'll learn it by itself eventually right after it steals your identity and assumes your Humanity

[@malohn2068]

You should never be embarrassed if a machine outperforms us. They always will cause they after all have access to more than just vision and APM.

[@localcrackhead2904]

This bot actually is limited to only vision and APM because it isn't integrated into the game. Just like humans. The bot still has an advantage though, it can essentially play the game in slow motion because it's a computer.

[@didjterminator808]

that is where our brains are different - we can see six minutes into the future (and sometimes even years at a time) but bots cannot, so they are just much more focused (and they have a better interface than us which helps as they don't need a keyboard, mouse, or monitor). if we where the same then the bot might as well kill itself as we would completely destroy it as we are always learning and adapting but a bot cannot do multiple things at a time as good as we can.

[@CyberCactus]

It comes down to the fact that the computers can put more processing into the game than our brains can, and they can also dedicate 100% of their processing to the game, unlike us. We're multitaskers by nature, we do tons of different things per day, so a game will never really get 100% of our mind's focus. They can inherently dedicate more to the game at a faster speed than we can, so chances are we simply will not be able to beat them at this level. (however if humans are upgraded somehow in the future, who knows..)

[@skrimpey7514]

And to be fair if you look the bot is just playing defense the whole time just baiting them, it's a noob strategy in my opinion, and its pretty easy to bait and kill people, so its impressive but nothing to feel bad about

[@HermesMercurius]

We can see six minutes into the future - I really loled :D

[@swashy8933]

This is the beginning of the end. Thanks for skynet elon.

[@rooster443]

LeonistaSocialClub if not Elon, maybe Google, it's best this way...

[@Padlock_Steve]

ok

[@Linuxfy]

Your welcome

[@hsng1]

This is not about Elon. This is a result of contributions of Machine Learning researchers and engineers.

[@roymunoz4640]

just make a massive virus like on the fast furius movies

[@KoalaKontrolJr]

In Russia, the AI teabags you

[@aaronallen1761]

Koala Kontrol Jr then it tells you to uninstall

[@toastedcheezez9096]

Koala Kontrol Jr really 💀

[@Daniel-mq4gf]

caleb r/wooosh

[@lucidmk5018]

I got a 500th like on a comment today and I've got the 666th like on this one today. My bucket list is now complete

[@Basitify]

You made my day !

[@mihailatanasov9581]

The next time someone calls you " BOT" in a game , you can be proud of it!

[@RKroese]

Mihail Atanasov bot = bottum lane

[@fleecemaster]

I'm always proud! That and "hacker". I mean, if I'm good enough to look like I'm cheating, then I must be good! :)

[@robins7730]

xQc resigned!

[@ichlaladitya7611]

bot = botak

[@yesto9676]

Fleecemaster it probably doesnt mean youre good, it just means your enemy is angry and worse than you and probably generally bad too

[@52nerfguy]

It learned to bait the player. In six weeks it taught itself how to exploit human behaviour. Bring on the singularity. "I for one, welcome our new robot overlords"

[@Cptbravo221]

52nerfguy in one year they have learned to bait players via trashtalking

[@Maddinhpws]

This would be so funny. The bot just randomly trash talking the players.

[@blame7121]

Cptbravo2211 and doing so while avoiding ban detection.

[@hektur6770]

The bot learned to exploit human behavior by playing against a worse version of itself... sounds about right

[@hektur6770]

Yes, but will any of those humans win against the bot? The whole purpose of it is to win, you can't piss it off, you can't confuse it, you can only play against it. If any of those people played against the bot, no matter their thought process, it might as well be a guaranteed loss.

[@analyze1322]

Fighting an ai bot is unfair, because you cant trash talk it.

[@jakesommer3914]

How can I tilt the untiltable?

[@ricardoalves9605]

Jake Sommer Beat the unbeatable, tilt the untiltable ROW ROW Fight the power!

[@aminghanbari3687]

ai bot is like hacking in a video game, its like walling and aimbotting in call of duty or cs:go and thats not fair at all !

[@muffemod]

they need to make it learn how to trash talk back ~_^

[@dudeistpreist5721]

Jhon Harvey Capistrano I'm waiting for dota to be a controlled by head remotely. I'd do much better.

[@Retog]

“A team of 5 AI will never be able to beat a human team” *less than a year later* OpenAI defeats every top pro team to exist

[@TG93Handle]

Unquestionably. It's amazing how ai and computers can out do what we ever thought was possible decades after decades, and yet we'll still doubt them

[@rutambhagat4556]

That's it now we just need battle bots now

[@ShineyCrow]

But the bot team lost to each of the human pro teams. 🤔

[@animeneet1604]

Gamerred 93 well nothing is ever perfect

[@TG93Handle]

@@ShineyCrow and 64mb of ram used to be a lot to us, we used to beat computers at chess. I'd bet literally all my valuables of life that the bot team will win eventually, because there is no question it will win

[@buud7947]

but can it beat the cuphead tutorial

[@currentlyrecordinganims235]

Mateo A prolly lmao

[@huapinbontes5931]

Mateo A BUT CAN IT DO THIS?!?!

[@whaleclouds]

Prob

[@Maddinhpws]

This one in particular? No. But if you use the general one to evolve it for it. Yeah.

[@oscarchampion5842]

General ai doesn’t exist

[@gunawanwibisono5899]

now i imagining that AI developer face, smiling while his bots destroying the world

[@Brismo7]

As African War Lords equip their drones with guns that shoot 7.62 rounds and they send the swarm out to eradicate local villages.

[@knavenformed9436]

Gunawan Wibisono Usually the creator is to die first

[@gunawanwibisono5899]

now just look at his smiling face, do you think that bastard didnt have some sort of plan?

[@fractalspace6489]

Bot wins international, now a machine has 6 million dollars, oh god

[@georgesanchez8051]

Gunawan Wibisono mpsz

[@DaruDyDuDe]

So if you train an AI to be smart it'll become elon musk

[@avananana]

And then the AI will create more AI. AI Musk, make it happen.

[@wasdclick7794]

And Elon Musk need to beat it.

[@meep3043]

Actually, Mark Zuckerberg

[@justruinedyourday4864]

Have it play Fortnite and name it CringeLord27

[@ephemeral332]

Just ruined your day Wait for the bot to learn to do emotes after they killed a player

[@3rdDanPrime]

money and effort to make A.I on children lame game also does it have to be fortnite

[@erenfn4875]

Tell it that dancing is good

[@azhar4716]

It will get banned for stream sniping

[@Extra_8]

@@ephemeral332 the

[@rynlikesfood]

Ai vs Ai esports tournament, with trash talk capabilities

[@ijustlovethisname]

hahah imagine that

[@leoncastle4490]

Maybe the future

[@Biskwyy]

"Your mom's a i3 processor"

[@kaankaya5273]

*_digital screeching_*

[@alarmgoesding]

2020... the year where AI teabag you.

[@MrGameNightmare]

First 6 - yr olds Next 6 months old AI

[@Vertutame]

funny,I though it happened back when HL:CS was out when they headshot you the time you saw their face.

[@Vivotic3]

Lol

[@shinodamasaru7945]

must be the terminator

[@vincemarquez2142]

omg mind fucking blown

[@roanmang]

These bots should have a twitich channel lol

[@Twitch_Bear]

roanmang there's just an empty chair in the cam, and no one is talking.

[@nguyenbinhphuong1491]

True, the bot is likely to be 100% try hard and it doesn't give a fuck about streaming

[@quitmarck]

basically just like most dota 2 pro streamers?

[@bitcode_]

what will they use with donations though?

[@666narutomanfan]

b1tc0de the donations can be used to fund clean energy

[@piikaachu]

theres gonna be another esport called eesport where programmed AIs fight in game

[@blaukrautbrautkleid7760]

Like hvh

[@artantic]

And all the viewers are bots too. cuz I don’t think anyone would want to watch that shit, would be boring as hell

[@EinsZweiPolizeiDreiVier]

That should be e sports not some basement virgins who get praised for fuckin playing a game This society is so fucked up

[@blackspider13]

If you dont know there was an ai TI8 this year. AI vs AI.

[@pilotavery]

I can imagine this... Inventing a game and giving each team two weeks to come up with a bot and then have them battle and the winner goes to round two... A battle between AI engineers

[@craiglicata7125]

But can it beat a South Korean in Starcraft 2?

[@vladimirtchuiev2218]

In my university there is a group who is actually attempting to create a competitive SC2 bot. There is a paper that came out 2 months ago or so about reinforcement learning applied to SC2.

[@trickswithjp]

Maybe a North Korean

[@yondoodle]

You're asking the real questions here Craig lol

[@Tatopotatos]

Craig Licata better question can it beat moon in Warcraft 3?

[@trickytrock8924]

Craig Licata of course. Bots are much better nowdays

[@yewty9894]

*I was born in the DOTA. Molded by it.*

[@errorafterdark5615]

Yewty is this a comic book villain refeeencE.

[@NicholasLivingstonUSA]

Jeez is that a Bane reference? I saw the same type of quote in another comment section.

[@yewty9894]

yes it is and yes it is

[@theujwalnambiar]

Yewty You merely adopted the DOTA boiiii

[@NJPortugal]

*And when i saw LOL for the first time...* Now you complete

[@stickmanlabsub4345]

The real test is, making a comeback in a pub with 2 or more feeders on ur team. Oh, and every1 else is toxic and doesn't communicate with you

[@antopolskiy]

haha

[@death_parade]

Feeders dont feed cause they want to. They feed cause they are noobs like me. *XD*

[@stickmanlabsub4345]

yea in the people that are noobs, I give advice, but some are just toxic and feed cause they dont get their way

[@mystirboy]

Just had a recent game , with a Titan who aggressively called for mid, we were pretty annoyed and when he sucked at it. When he asked to trade places, no one wanted to because karma's a bitch. Then he proceeded to feed the courier every time it spawned. If it achieved anything, it caused the remaining four to band together and communicate well enough that we still won the game. That and the other team didn't know how to position properly and their tank wasn't the one initiating.

[@AnOn-zj4cp]

AI has no moral that can be boken or a butt that could be hurt, AI sees everything that happens and doesn't need communication, AI has perfect tieming and aim. Pretty sure the bot would win.

[@EnchikO]

AI bot vs AI bot = big bang theory

[@nimatamizi1788]

EnchikO that’s what they do in chess

[@houssamalucad753]

There will be an e-sport where they do just that! Seeing who made the best bot

[@kip4393]

EnchikO I was looking for this

[@toshiya4979]

My first thought was to make a sarcatic reply but the genuine answer to this is the AI that has more experience than the others that their creating right now, which means this particular AI is has it. Just every movies there's always that old guy living on the top of the mountain and is so called the 'first' which the protagonist has to learn from him before he go out there lol

[@danielantony1882]

That's gonna be some dense-ass clusterfuck.

[@imbatman5882]

But can it play Crysis

[@orangejoe4999]

This comment is underrated.

[@Jujudo]

it's software not hardware you idiot

[@cody8907]

Jujudo its a joke idiot

[@kevinsouls311]

Jujudo chill. its just a joke

[@City-Hunter]

Nobody can play crysis

[@user-ww2cq8si3o]

Can Elon please fix civ6s AI

[@MeeTonToE]

It'd be interesting to see how well machine learning works for Civ. I have doubts that it will work well seeing the complex and random nature of the game.

[@PaperMineCraft]

MeeTonToE well, that's pretty much what was said about dota, yet here we are...

[@MeeTonToE]

Paper Block, With Dota you have one consistent victory goal, one map, and progress towards the goal can be easily measured and then handed off to the algorithm to decide what the next generation should do. With Civ, I'd imagine the AI taking a while before it can even correspond certain starts to the correct victory type, and then factoring in what biases each Civ's AI should have. It really seems like it's a job that'd be better to develop by hand than it is to brute force with a neural network.

[@justinjakeashton]

You cant fix what aint broke. *gets nuked by Gandhi*

[@sirtrea6327]

well the game is a lot slower paced than dota so the AI would have more time to process choices. I expect the game would play against itsself, find the optimal win condition based on the spawn and such, and move forward from there.

[@danielrubianochona3448]

But can it beat an 8 year old in minecraft?

[@diegorod1082]

Daniel Rubiano Chona of course not!! 8 year olds have mastered the art of crafting which cannot be learned like these AIs are programammed to learn.

[@panzerjagertigerpelefant]

Or 10 year olds in Roblox?

[@Baycoast5520]

How about a 8 year old playing pixal gun3d?

[@rune.theocracy]

AI's will never beat 8 yearold kids ok they'll just commit suicide

[@lusilverrr]

8 year olds have ascended to the point of no return, they play Minecraft in their head when they can't in real life. They constantly think about how to craft faster, they even open and close their hands for hours on end to get better movement.

[@soviettaters341]

I mean bots technically have aimbot, so...

[@ooch]

Yes but Dota isn't a FPS game.

[@Spacecoke]

So do humans in DOTA.

[@DarthTalon5]

@@ooch It is still the exact same thing, aiming projectiles and other such skills perfectly every time, no chance for error. Same as if you were to make an ai to do platformers which lands every single movement perfectly to the exact nanometer, it isn't feasibly possible for a human to do and is kind of just cheating.

[@asterphyll]

guys, the bot doesn't have click time or drag time or key pressing time. the bot is not factored with mood and emotion, it is pure mathematics, it will beat humans if given enough 'data', how much data is enough?; now that's a long story

[@henryhuynha4818]

Dota is a MOBA, not FPS

[@Aerational]

I think for this to be fair they have to artificially decrease the reaction time of the bot to match a humans. This seems like it's beating it's opponents simply by being able to instantly read and react to any change on the battlefield. There was one part where it was perfectly mirroring the movement of the human player not allowing him to get in range because as soon as the human player stepped forward it would move back, no delay at all. No human could ever do that.

[@ushankaman6143]

its not built to be fair, its built to win, but most importantly, its built for scientific purposes, by doing this, they can use the same AI for other stuff such as surgeries etc.

[@prozachseven]

That and computer can be 100% accurate about all data points 100% of the time. It can know with 100% certainty if X abilities can kill you over Y amount of seconds with Z amount of hp regen per second, exact resistance numbers and how that affects damage exactly. This is something no human can do.

[@dutchenterprises4289]

Also honestly that’s the point. These things aren’t constrained by our squishy discrepancies and mistakes, they’re better then us. Pure and simple. That’s what’s so goddamn terrifying.

[@Pomfer_]

There are some Dota2 players who have near AI like response time. It's totally fair

[@Splozy]

Jon Stamos No there isn't. you're vastly over estimating how good even the best reaction speeds are.

[@olivier5251]

Bots won't surpass humans in a 5v5 siuation because there are too many variables. Suuuuuuure Serious talk though this shit is scare af

[@Maddinhpws]

It is pretty true though. Currently the bot can only play 1 char in a 1v1 mirror matchup. It would get rekt as soon as he plays a different character. Because it wouldn't know what to do. So they first need to get it to know how each of the more than 100 characters work. This will take a lot of time. Then it will need to at the same time process in how different each character matchup it can have is. This will also take some time. But next it will need to get all the synergies. What can each other character do together with each character. How does it gank correctly, etc. It will need way more funding to get this all together. Like it will need to play thousand of times the amount of games it played up to this point. And it already needed months to get to this point. And then it would need a computer that is as big as a house to process everything.

[@usedtobereign]

It's not true at all, the 5 AI's would be programmed as a Hive mind, when all 5 bots think exactly the same no 5 individual players would ever be able to match this kind of coordination. Time is a very bad argument against AI's, they learn so much faster than humans ever will because you can run multiple simulations at once and they don't fatigue, they learn non-stop. It only needed few months to beat professionals who played multiple years. Also the processing power doesn't need to be that high because computers have the luxury of putting all ressources into a single task, contrary to the human brain.

[@seigeengine]

if the five bots thought exactly the same they'd lose 100% of the time. Get a clue.

[@olivier5251]

The meaning of them thinking as a hivemind means that they can have flawless timing and teamplay. It doesn´t mean they will all do the exact same thing.

[@BottyInnit]

Maddinhpws dude its elon musk, he is hardly short on the resources to pull it off.

[@kakaphd3563]

It seems like Im the only one here who just came because of the name Elon Musk. (I dont play Dota 2 lmao.)

[@TheTollFace]

K A K A r/iamverysmart

[@kakaphd3563]

Dane r/fearme

[@jokesonyou7667]

Well me too

[@BrainBurnStudios]

yes, you're the ONLY ONE. Out of four million people who watched this video.

[@riley6171]

KakaPHD That isn’t even a real sub...

[@datboi1070]

*BREAKING NEWS* *ELON MUSK BUYS DOTA AND REPLACES IT WITH AI'S*

[@RunAwayNau]

Dat Boi *BREAKING* *NEWS* ELON MUSK BUYS *EARTH* AND REPLACES IT WITH AI

[@datboi1070]

@@RunAwayNau ohh yea i like dat

[@treethetraveller]

If a bot can drive a car or do open heart surgery I can understand. But when it starts playing and winning DotA you have spawned Skynet. Destroy it immediately. I'm not even kidding.

[@petiewheat82]

It's like russian roulette, in that if, out of all the countless simulations and problems given to it, a single A.I. develops an algorithm through trial and error that prioritizes survival and domination, that strategy will quickly spread and monopolize everything digital in no time flat. So we should be wary of how much access we give to computers, especially over designing and constructing physical reality autonomously.

[@pexfmezccle]

In order to make it Skynet, you need it to play Supreme Commander.

[@percyross7612]

Why does everyone assume that AI will go rogue and destroy humanity. As if we’d be stupid enough to not program its primary directive as ensuring humanity’s survival and continued lofty standard of living. At least I hope we wouldn’t be stupid enough.

[@petiewheat82]

A.I. would be able to program itself, expanding its capabilities in ways human programmers cannot imagine, at an unthinkable pace.

[@poppanaattori89]

+Percy Ross As someone wise said, the fact that everyone expects that a superior intelligence would want to control and enslave us, tells way more about us humans than it does about AI.

[@joshuadonahue5871]

"Eight very high level players . . ." Was he counting Slacks?

[@igorgnus]

Joshua Donahue Second place TI dude Kappa

[@joshuadonahue5871]

igor gnus I wish they'd shown his attempt. I had my PogChamps ready and waiting the whole time

[@ziting5756]

Hes actually 5k solo mmr

[@joshuadonahue5871]

HEHEHHE then he's way better than me FeelsBadMan

[@Devin2292]

Joshua Donahue he actually lasted the longest because he did some really crazy funny shit

[@nguyentrinhquanganh1494]

Elon Musk : I’m gonna build a rocket to Mars! Elon Musk : **refreshes mind** Elon Musk : **smokes some cigars** Elon Musk : Let’s make a AI to defeat Esports “professionals” first because I don’t have anything to do other than building rockets that could go to another planet that human could some day live on.

[@luisa41208]

@Ad Victoriam! Maybe he doesnt accept the fact that playing games is an actual job...

[@h00db01i]

you don't want to live on Mars. Gravity's too low.

[@nguyentrinhquanganh1494]

Linus Heinz Hirschi *right now*

[@h00db01i]

c wot u did der

[@nguyentrinhquanganh1494]

Linus Heinz Hirschi yasssss

[@Leon-uu4wk]

and kids this is how the terminator was made

[@dr_birb]

GHOST da2 skynet*

[@AlchemistOfHecate]

Whoever reads this in 2045, GHOST da2 is not psychic, he just made a guess.

[@kleinfeicht]

GHOST da2 no facebook make them elon only try to show that the are extreme Dangerous ...

[@SamC77]

This is just overdramatised bullshit. Why are you still amazed that a machine outperforms a human? Did you just time travel here from 3 centuries before? OF COURSE THE MACHINE WON!! That is expected. A calculator does not make mistakes, The human using it does. You divide a number by zero that is still a human mistake. You can match however many "rainmans" against a machine the machine will still win because humans deal with fatigue eventually. This bot is just another "aimbot", another calculator designed to do ONE thing very well. Even tho the machines can perform like this it will never be superior than humans, they understand numbers and the alphabet but they do not understand words. Without understanding words they can never understand what is or WHY to kill a human. I highly doubt current AI tech are able to even grasp Shakespeare and context and poetry and to explain it in modern english. If any AI can kill humans it is preprogrammed to execute that, not by AI freewill, it would just be another human error.

[@kleinfeicht]

Bruce Wayne no it wasn't aimed to do this the only showed it what and how the game works and said win is good die is bad this actually is a programm who is learning not work with forced parameters.... and actually the do understand words you need to config it?

[@brentc2411]

The fact that the AI started intentionally taking damage to bait players, even though it had a set parameter that damage is bad, is disturbing because it shows the AI's ability to create a scenario where it kills all humans, to save all humans, even though it's programmed to never harm humans.

[@johnbyng9203]

Brent C that's trippy

[@matthewandrews7]

Yeah but one thing I will say is the parameters would also state that winning is more valued than not taking damage therefore if it wins and takes damage the bot would see that as being a worthy sacrifice.

[@brentc2411]

Matthew Andrews but it shows the ability to adjust them as it deems fit. So what would stop a similar AI from deciding to kill 99 people to save 100. Mathematically it's seems like the correct answer, but this AI solve scenarios with trial and error, so it could kill 99 humans to save 100 just because it was the first solution it thought of, rather than the best solution it could think of.

[@thephilosopher7173]

Karan lol got a lil *too intense there bud. They expressed in the video that the parameter was set to basically 'damage=bad' so the Ai is going against that for the prioritized 'winning' parameter even tho it goes against the initial parameter about damage.

[@matthewandrews7]

Karan I think you’ll find in the video that they stated that they pre-programmed the AI to understand that getting hit was bad. But as we have just discussed the AI through trial and error figured out that to achieve its main objective - winning, taking damage was something that had to be done to fit the play style that would win the most.

[@Toogoodxoxo]

But could it hit and run hundreds of civilians on GTA like I can?

[@skair5425]

killing people for no reason = bad the only advantage we have over AI is making bad, irrational and emotional decisions.

[@jacoballen5773]

if you programmed it to

[@blame7121]

TOO GOOD funfact: selfdriving car technology has been tested in GTAV. Not in the sense like the typical cars driving around as you play that are hardcoded to do what they do, but to learn to reckognize what are roads to drive on, walls to avoid, humans to avoid, etc. So, basically, if it were told that running over humans is good and getting caught is not good, then yes. And it would perform even better than you.

[@Toogoodxoxo]

Running over civilians on GTA is always good.

[@MasthaX]

There are actually GTA5 AI's being programmed.

[@danielduenas3797]

Instead of human players, A.I. companies build their A.I. and fight them against other companies in Dota 2.

[@icemandog9920]

Openai will never lose cause of the headstart it got because it's basically going to end up as a time race

[@paragonexperience]

Who would care to watch that more than a few times?

[@aminulhussain2277]

@@paragonexperience Seeing superhuman skill in action is very much worth experiencing more than a few times.

[@powerndamoney]

But can it play PUBG on a $300 laptop?

[@RandomGuy-nm6bm]

Flip C and is it worth it

[@Relco12]

Better yet, can it play PUBG on a MacBook?

[@L._.A-06]

MainWinner Tactics pc is a laptop pc stands for portable computer

[@Relco12]

DocDum pc means personal computer

[@christopherlee7318]

DocDum 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@benaldrich9149]

and this is why military ai should never be developed. luckily elon musk agrees.

[@MichaelSHartman]

Ben Aldrich If you think that the military will not try to fight an unfair war or pass up an advantage then you are naive. Bet your last dollar that the military will use machine learning.

[@spartancrown]

Ben Aldrich they already have them. One their most advanced flight training simulators was basically bred by fighting against multiple versions of itself until one came out on top. Now when it goes against our best pilots it’s beating them. Quoting one pilot, “ it’s uncanny, it’s like it anticipates your moves before you make them.” All they need to do is stick that AI into a drone and it’s done.

[@spartancrown]

Jefferson da Silva, yea you’re totally right, no one has lower moral values. I mean c’mon it’s not like anyone was baking people in ovens or anything. Fucking nitwits. War is war it needs to be so god damn ugly and brutal that the only people left want food and shelter and nothing else. This way the next time there’s a disagreement and someone starts to utter the word war they know what’s up and say fuck that shit remember last time? Instead now we go so far out of our way to not have collateral damage and civilian casualties that they never end they just turn into a continuing long drawn out mess.

[@NonnofYobiznes]

Elon said that messing with AI was like summoning the devil and thinking a cycle and some holy water would help you keep him under control. Probably the wisest words spoken this century.

[@lordepichax3755]

Ben Aldrich until it's hacked by cyber terrorists or bad people

[@RedOneM]

Instead of using cheats you will be able to use OpenAI bots to destroy the enemy team

[@mitchelljulius5875]

Only when AFK or all the time, cause I don't feel too good about cheating.

[@renovatiovr]

RedOneMonster OpenAI wont become available as a gaming bot. They use games because they are very good for testing and quick results. This piece of software is geared towards much bigger goals than gaming, such as overhauling whole industries and ensuring you are replaced by an AI at your job

[@leandrog2785]

RENOVATIO hahaha true, good thing that i am immune to that! I'm a computer science student, so i will be the one designing the AI :)

[@reddiamondz1878]

Leandro Gabriel Your job will still get taken.

[@reddiamondz1878]

Leandro Gabriel AI will design better AI

[@bensosnowski1128]

They could sell the 5v5 bots as a subscription to teams for practice. Some serious profit to be made, while constantly collecting more data

[@apatel922]

7 very high level players... and slacks.

[@zinxxd3037]

apatel922 hahahaha OMG

[@animalcontrolisons3946]

They make more money than you ever will

[@skele3310]

AnimalControlI sons So do some drug dealers, should we be impressed by the amount of money they make? That's bullshit logic, someone making more money than you doesn't make them immediately superior.

[@animalcontrolisons3946]

I_am_The_Doctor I never said they were superior I said was saying that they were not “slacks” . You are a fucking idiot who cannot read, and most drug dealers are not rich hence the reason they are drug dealers but the ones that are super rich are rich be UCSD’s they are smart unlike you and know how to make a business and most of them don’t do drugs them selves

[@grzegorzbrzeczyszczykiewic6379]

AnimalControlI sons calm the fuck Bro Slacks is a dota player and a comedian and was a host at ti he also has a youtube channel that has loregasm

[@MrTigerlore]

Challenge the bot to cure cancer.

[@jobislv]

LOL

[@Dudezaawr]

Tiger H. Lore A bot running calculations and simulation in chemistry and biology to develop and improve medicin is a relativly old idea. And if we are lucky it might happen in our lifetime.. but it could take some decades.

[@MichaelSHartman]

Watson is doing that. I don't know if Watson is usind adversarial methods.

[@presleychan4603]

Simple, kill everyone. Can't have cancer when you're dead, no? (jk don't kill me plz)

[@jlostepbystep1908]

Dumbest comment ever xD

[@onatgz]

i think a bot could program a better bot.

[@Englesch]

A bot is always that much smart like the coder which created it. So actually a bot can't code a better bot - and by the way: let's be realistic: when you have a self-learning bot, why you should code a better self-learning bot, it does literally the same things over and over again... the result is the same

[@jeffdredd9858]

No, the result is it kills us all.

[@mine7632]

Actually, there was a Facebook AI a while ago that was able to program, and ended up creating it's own language, that we could not understand, started using it, and chatting with other AIs. Facebook eventually shutdown the AI, but the proof is there.

[@Trizjoe]

Blade runner 2049 spoilers

[@rockerofworldsify]

Minefreakster Spaceholder it was just using slang lol not anther language

[@ScienceMadeEazy]

The concept is nice and all, but it's very sad when he said all the experience he accumulated over the years was no match for a bot that took less than 6 months, i mean i ya AI wow soo cool, but as one player stated did it feel like a player and he straight up said no, and that it took ingenuity and made plays new ones is awesome and all but now any move it uses the pros just copy they dont make original moves, and in this i feel a sense of death will befall many games not just dota2

[@natanaelkristian1342]

Not only dota 2 mate, if your job include computer, you might be replaced soon enough :s

[@ScienceMadeEazy]

Bro anything that is possible to be done will change with the march of time

[@gorosei8744]

To extend your thought further. There is no facet very advanced AI won't outrageously outperform humans. It's only a matter of time

[@ScienceMadeEazy]

yup

[@luciferbroke7875]

We'll just have to move on and find new things to focus on. Chess was fun before every possible move and combination was documented and stored in AI. At the very least, one thing the AIs haven't learned properly yet is innovation.

[@101grifter]

What I don´t understand is how anyone thinks that a AI WOULDN`T win in a game that is at least to some degree dependent on physical skill (memory, agility, endurance,...). I mean, no offence to DOTA and it´s players, but it is a game in which a machine simply has an inherent advantage over humans (unlike other games where man vs. machine was tested out like Chess or Go). If you heard there was an armwrestling competition between a human vs. a machine I bet your money would be on the Bot as well because obviously it´s going to be able to physically overcome the limitations of the human frame.

[@oddluck4180]

101grifter Except people are saying that this test removes most of the actual difficulty in Dota 2. The test boils down to reaction time and accuracy for the most part.

[@leandrog2785]

1v1 with the same champion and item limitations is indeed much strategically and tactically simpler than normal 5v5 competitive games, but to say that it boils down to reaction time and accuracy is horribly wrong.

[@shakerliciouslaw2404]

If I'm not mistaken, the bots were calibrated to 0.3 second delay in reaction time so that it at least 'plays like a human' and not a machine.

[@khaghaghohan]

Guys this isnt LoL. The game doesnt just rely on reaction time. Its a strategy game. It need strategical teamwork something a bot could never achieve with a 5v5

[@michelleg8366]

dont play dota, just lol, but they are quite similar and i watch dota sometimes. im sure there are others but one advantage i can think of is cs. a bot will never miss cs unless it is programmed to. it would also hardly miss skillshots or get hit by any (evident in the use of scripts in lol, idk about dota) mechanically in a 1v1 a bot will always win. but in a 5v5? it gonna have a harder time

[@danielrubianochona3448]

But can it beat the scary maze game?

[@Justin-ol6vk]

of course bot went sf mid

[@Justin-ol6vk]

shadow fiend is a popular hero that is picked to go into the middle lane which has a high importance especially in the early game. the stereotype is that many players who don't care about the team or counterpicking heroes, immediately go 'sf mid'

[@Asian_Import]

It just proves that sf mid is the best strategy.

[@okad_das]

Asian Import It proofs that the eingineers made it so, because 1on1 game mode is always played in the middle using SF. And that mode is easier for Bot to learn. (Nerd mode on)

[@snayketheboy4359]

Justin oh so he is the yasuo of dota2 in league of legend terms, nice one bot.

[@samuelkral6987]

+Nayme hahahaha too lane? might work in bronze 5 in plat yas top is useless

[@jaredcollins2049]

Absolutely fascinating, honestly when the pro player said he saw the bot do something and he thought "why aren't we doing that?" It was just crazy to me, years of work and in 6 months they copy it

[@salmansaeed7244]

I really want to see Open A.I bot vs Open A.I bot

[@damocleas]

Salman Saeed it fought itself hundreds of thousands of times to get better

[@MichaelSHartman]

Alpha Go Zero

[@Bratwurstboy]

You mean like T-X vs T-3000

[@MichaelSHartman]

Salman Saeed Seriously, it's a good idea. There should be leagues by skill.

[@JamJestKox]

Spoiler: Open A.I bot wins

[@Kavukamari]

what did musky boy do this time

[@krispyasfk2567]

Kavukamari Nothing as usual, his team did all the work while he gets all the credit.

[@jacklawson9289]

damn, salty because someones making a difference?

[@krispyasfk2567]

Jack Potato Not salty at all, Elon Musk is just another Steve Jobs. He pays a bunch of scientist to create everything but takes all the credit. He's a douche but his companies contributions are excellent.

[@aracuscesar]

why is he a douche? just for taking credit?

[@krispyasfk2567]

aracuscesar Write a book for me and when it gets published I'll take all the credit for your work and your name will be nowhere to be found, then come back to me and tell me I'm not a douche.

[@fushigi_bun]

But can it play Dark Souls?

[@davidlundberg9924]

Bunro _ Dark Souls is easier to program since that game is all about rythm and learning what to do on what beat

[@ikxalenull7]

kinda untrue but w/e. if poeple wanna pretend Dks is a rythm game all the power to them

[@judithmendez4394]

darksouls is super easy its a trash game no challenge

[@ivanrebulado8998]

As you have heard they chose a "complicated game" and dark souls is not, bots dont want a shit game

[@95DreadLord]

lel Ivan your salt can be tasted all the way here from russia

[@Jack-yq6ui]

*2:04** : Elon says Dota2 is vastly more complex than Go, and he's right. You'know what else it is more complex than? flying transmedium tic-tac shaped drones with no obvious outward sign of propulsion utilizing an on board mini thermonuclear reactor like a submarine, room temperature superconductive materials, completely super-cooled outer hull masking any internal heat signature.*

[@felixf4378]

But can it 1v1 me in rust?

[@clay-jp6zj]

Flashbacks

[@suli542]

Yea it will just aimbot you.

[@putnamehereholdmadoodle]

Ican

[@sun-up4yh]

Probably bow v ak lol

[@StoneUFO]

lol

[@Joe-cr1yl]

Skynet is real monkaS

[@TheRicheg]

oi monkazzzzzz yeah this is the terminator brain the world is making and will eventually get to gether to destroy litrally pandoras usb stick :-o forget alians

[@diegoelizondo6869]

You know that 2 Facebook IA develop a secret lenguaje to comunicate. BTW they IA was turn off

[@cpenner7086]

fake

[@spidermain]

Do you know the reason why Elon Musk founded OpenAI is to prevent Skynet?

[@michaelbalfour3170]

These are primitive far from Skynet

[@user-ff1ws1sf2u]

I imagine we shouldn't view the bots as competion, but simply as a tool to allow training to be MUCH MUCH more efficient by introducing new methods that have never been thought of before simply because we are used to competing against other humans, and the tactics that work against ourselves are the best because pro is human vs human. However, professionals could constantly train the bot and in turn train themselves even further, as using the bot's tactics would force the bot to adapt to it, which the professionals then learn from and then keep progressing. I hope we get to see something like this in other MOBA's such as LoL.

[@bwahchannel9746]

that point it's more logical to choose the computer first because it can do that better.

[@BattousaiHBr]

what about when cheaters let bots play for them?

[@zaksoldner]

You can easily identify them since their playstyle would be pretty much the same: flawless

[@Jaaziar]

Muhammad Haddad Meh. Scrape the human players and replace them with AIs that will go on to win championships.

[@Kortney2G]

you lost me when you said 'LoL' since that game has been dead for 6 years now.

[@dopplesoddner2899]

The 5v5 match was also won by OpenAi !! Great work.

[@anarchyofducks4964]

This would be cooler if I could understand what was going on.

[@kormannn1]

being an entertaining impressive clown for humanity and playing some shitty ass virtual game with no matter for yourself. Now imagine if we live in simulation and my assumption can be applied to us... (in this case instead of humanity - our creators/gods)

[@zethrenbeltran4071]

Someone saw the terminator in the 80s and picked up the wrong lesson from it, thinking hey, wouldnt it be cool if skynet does become a thing? And now here we are.

[@zilun]

Long story short. Whatever the guy learned in 8 years, the machine did it in 3 months.

[@thenarrator1921]

What? You think programmers just put one line of {please_don't_be_evil} and the AI goes {nope}? It's like shitting and expecting your shit to be 24k gold.

[@zilun]

The Narrator No. A.I. does nothing, died. A.I. starts to move things around, died. A.I. tries different moves, died. It’s Groundhog Day for it until it writes scripts that gets the game right. Which, is also something humans can do via trial and error. But since A.I. can test out far more possibilities, doesn’t make the same mistake twice, and doesn’t need sleep or meal breaks, it can script via trial and error way faster than human can do in real world. Therefore, accomplished in 3 months what took the pro 8 years to learn.

[@supermichelangelo5763]

If Elon Musk is our Tony Stark, this is his Ultron.

[@keerthivasan5976]

or Jarvis

[@justinjakeashton]

@@keerthivasan5976 Definitely Ultron

[@darwingiovanni5046]

@@justinjakeashton Nah Elon is wayy too paranoid about AI to ever let something like that happen.

[@ejej_shej7958]

Yep

[@yaouG1]

He's Elon Musk, tony stark was based on him. Don't get that wrong boi, even if it's a metaphor. Remember well his name that he's Elon Musk and he isn't compared to anybody and feel good to live in his time. Hate Hollywood how it affects youths brain, totally against it.

[@CovertPhilosopher]

well, Elon himself said that AI is an existential threat to humanity, here we can see glimpses maybe

[@alexanderchristopher6237]

Any reason why would we put an AI on a nuclear deterrent system? No. As humans, we almost start WW3 because of radar malfunction or false alarms. Any AI might call it a real threat.

[@claytonmagsanay5464]

Elon is just a rich guy, not a genius.

[@invoke4485]

But Elon is a idiot who's steal's other peoples ideas the self landing rockets were made by nasa about 20 years before elon did it.. the hyperloop is not only impossible but has been a concept for about 100 years and he new transport system is nothing more than a metro just less efficient as it can only carry abourt 8 people max. So I wouldn't trust a word he says.

[@jamesashworth3133]

@@invoke4485 Have you read his book?

[@invoke4485]

@@jamesashworth3133 nope I have not read every book in the world I do know all "his ideas" are not new no matter what his book says self landing rockets have been made (and are less efficient than normal rockets) and like a said above his other ideas are not new either

[@heroninja1125]

still nothing to crysis AI on DELTA difficulty

[@Priorityman1]

Everytime I watch this video I am still impressed with the bots mango bait on the courier

[@777gnom]

Gangdaulf thats one of the strategies the pros copied bc its not so pupblic yet

[@brunovaz]

where?

[@hecticaperture]

at 4:30 the bot acts like its gonna courier then turns around and memes francesca

[@rxonmymind8362]

There's nothing unique about that strategy. There's an eel that acts injured & backs into its hole while the predator attacks thinking it has a Kill. The Predator becomes the prey. But you have to pick your location or typography correctly for that to work;)

[@0x20pirate]

In this case the application of the baiting strategy is unique because it worked against the AI opponent. Here's why it's special: each bot knows (in a sense) of the items the other player has onhand. The bot knows when the player is too low mana to cast a spell, but could not know about the mango approaching on courier from fog. It's the fact that the mango was hidden from the other player until the split-second it was used, that caused the bait to be successful.

[@John-yo7kh]

Pro player "-There is not enough processing power to handle that"... what makes you think they are not efficient in all ways after a while??

[@alekmabry8062]

And the funny thing is that a neural network doesn't even require that much processing power to run. It's just has arrays of numbers that serve as the "hypothesis," or essentially the formula for creating an output based on inputs. After that it's basic array calculations which graphics cards are extremely well suited for. The only computationally hard part is training the network, but if valve can train VACnet in 6 hours with a single TitanX, using data from every match of every hacker ever caught, then the only hard part left is figuring out the most efficient way to train 5 new bots.

[@petermitchell2729]

Also I read that next year's computers are going to be more powerful than this year's.

[@hosseinmirzaei748]

again I said it's but think about it takes 6months to learn 1vs1

[@martinkalivoda3398]

let's speak numbers: 116!=3.393109e+190. You can't process that in any way (yet), you first need to simplify the variables themselves (which is happening) I'm not stating that you have so many options... The number is smaller, but still enormous. Current operation power of a super home PC with 8 cores and 4.2GHz? It's highly likely that if you started processing round the Big Bang that, when the Universe comes to an end, you still won't have your answer :-D We're close to the Infinite Monkey Theorem.

[@89mias]

It has 1 champ and 1v1 currently which makes it a reasonable assumption that we are far away from a bot that is good with and against 120 heroes. You can just compare it with humans: A human could learn to 1v1 with one champ really fast but when comparing that to 5v5 with 120 heroes the complexity and effort to learn how to handle each interaction is exponentially higher to that point where it would take forever.

[@Leokaiser]

"I don't think it's ever possible for a group of 5 bots to beat a group of 5 players that are any good" Man, there is no limit to human hubris.

[@camd.2577]

They are right in a way. It seems that the way the ai bot works is independelty. Intruducing 4 more would over complicate things, a lot.

[@Natetorius]

But imagine if they made the AIs so that when one makes a decision, the other 4 can follow up on it. So instead of playing against 5 independent AIs, you’re essentially playing against 5 AIs with 1 brain. That sort of teamwork would defeat any human communication.

[@acetraker1988]

Yeah that was a logic fail. Sounds like a challenge. it is within theory one could bot every interaction in the game, an you could farm up the best combos in a lab for xx patch. That not only can each bot understand their role, the character they using, they could plan and react to attacks instantly. A team of 5 bots sharing countless scenarios would be unbeatable. You could even bot the match picks. Also beating an AI has no value, as the AI will learn and get better the more it looses. e.g. AiBot with 200k games is fun times if you win but AiBot 1million? 100million? 1 trillion games? No end cap.

[@diabl2master]

I know. What a stupid comment.

[@granknight]

the programmer would just put this parameters in together with the existing 3 before. 1.win at all cost 2. work with other AI 3. disregard anything as long as you win. this 3 parameters alone would make a 5 bot AI almost impossible to lose with this sets an AI could theoretically could learn to sacrifice itself during clashes on a 5 v 5 game or prioritize which members/heroes has the highest chance of pushing for a win after a clash its not impossible the best word to use is it's scary.

[@warriorfire8103]

6:30 doesn't have to do all of the heroes. Just a handful of good ones, with enough on the side to allow flexibility. It's how we process it as well. Really cool, I want this as well.

[@ramsesbams]

can i use this to farm gold in runescape and not get caught?

[@christofferrasmussen6533]

Can't tell if serious or not, but of course no, it'd be so easy to tell that it was a bot, no reason to actually use an AI for that.

[@magnitude5478]

No, but when it is ready, you won't need to farm gold.

[@xh0rn3rx]

Undont need this for that follow me my child I will show u the way

[@xh0rn3rx]

I bet if they did this in runescape it could max an account in like a month

[@dickurkel6910]

ramses bams What if you just let it play some games and leave, and when you come back a week later your account is top rank or smth lol

[@MaxxsHandle]

make a bot that plays like specific people so you can download your favorite people and play against them

[@thinkthrice123]

How? How about it plays and/or watches that person play and learns from it..

[@GamingLevelsXP]

+Christobanistan I don't think it would have to do that. I imagine it would be akin to using machine learning algorithms to generate music; sure, it wouldn't be a perfect copy, but it would resemble the original.

[@wyethleon]

They need a fresh bot that will gather data for a specific pro and that player must fight with it a thousand times for it to replicate how they play.

[@gingrich1000]

Wy Mon Just record the games the person plays already and feed it into the intelligence

[@imnotbeyonce]

amiibo

[@enggarrizkindo6992]

One day the ai will learn the effective way to win is to hurt physically the player... And that's when the Terminator born

[@Kulbinator]

Enggar Rizkindo dont say it too loud lol

[@torgor_]

well we know if that's true and time travel were to ever be existed they would be dead now sooooooo Time Travel is impossible confirmed? :P

[@RealDarknezz]

How are you going to stop an AI that thinks that dying is bad?

[@user-sx4mv1qm2k]

Just turn it off smh

[@patrikpass2962]

Torgor If they can time travel they are probably so smart they know it will destroy them too so they just dont do it.

[@alondrahicks9968]

I would LIke to see how the AI reacted to cheaters, unlevel playing field, and unfair play. See how the program reacts to the realities of life.

[@mystirboy]

That's the whole point of this AI. A lot of people seem to think this AI was specifically made for DOTA 2 but it's just that DOTA 2 is the perfect testing ground. The developers are trying to improve this AI to the point where it can take in way more complex data that it can handle and learn 5v5 match-ups. If it can achieve that, then it can learn other works as well such as engineering a building while taking into account materials, area conditions etc. Creating newer models for predicting weather. Simulate cancer treatment over and over until it reaches a better treatment than what modern medicine is able to do.

[@user-zz4eu6tm2t]

do you even know what an AI is? There is no Limit in programming an AI, at some point it would just consume immense ressources

[@user-zz4eu6tm2t]

who called it magic? just because you dont understand it? You should start reading a book once in a while

[@gnometheory3831]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "there is no limit in programming an AI." Limit in terms of what?

[@user-zz4eu6tm2t]

Limit in terms of the amount of "tasks" of certain complexity requierements within one progress. You can always feed more data sets into it, new variables, more things to consider, thats no problem. However it takes much more clever human thinking there because you need to weight all of these variables in order to recieve the desired results

[@BMikeAD]

bla blubb they entered very minor parameters and let it play the game... the bot wrote the script for the bot and constantly edits it by itself Once you grasp what that implies outside of this dumpster fire of a video game maybe you see why that it is quite impressive

[@manuman5319]

"It will be impossible to make 5 vs 5 with these bots" -See you in a few years kiddo x)

[@petiewheat82]

The kid is in total denial. If anything, 5 v 5 will be even more devastating.

[@andreisanchez8340]

It is impossible, See how that took 6 months and the bot can only play SF..

[@vv2955]

Andrei Sanchez and only 1v1. Which is almost infinitely less complex than a 5v5 with different heroes...I don't think we're going to see a team of bots anytime soon

[@DethGaleX]

Maybe not impossible. But probably take way longer time. 5v5 in dota is infinitely more dynamic than 1v1 dota (SF lul). But that said, I wonder how a trained team of bots would react to Rat dota.

[@poppanaattori89]

Humans are funny. "Yeah, technology is constantly developing at an increasing rate, but I choose to make the same mistake as everyone who lived before me and expect things to remain the same." And this happens just after he should have got that attitude beat out of him in 1v1.

[@supatroopa5097]

"I don't think that a team of 5 bots will ever beat a team of 5 human players". If it can 1v1 pros in 6 months, give it 6 years and you get an unbeatable team.

[@davidchalmers6753]

Alex Zhou before this boy they would have said the same thing about a single bit beating them. You would only need to spend a little money on more processing power and the boys could learn to do a 5v5 in as little time as you wanted to contribute processing power. The person who said that in the video is an idiot for this single statement.

[@microwafel9907]

6 years? i think WAY shorter

[@YumiYumY]

Not sure about this one. Knowing the game and the dynamics of it. There is no actual "perfect 5 men team who can beat anyone" in a game like this. There are just way too many possibilities to change the flow of game. Don't know... 1v1 and 5v5 can't be compared really.

[@astermaxwell2463]

um no he is right to a certain extent. 1V1 is a pretty linear way to allow the neural net to run through and eventually figure out optimal conditions. 5v5 is different. as you saw the guy said that the bot doesn't "feel" or "think" it calculates. you could do things with 5 people that a bot would be unable to prepare against as the possibilities or events become so many that to put it simply the required processing power and storage capacity to actually counter a 5v5 matchup would be very massive. The difficulty for OpenAI would be to optimize their code to use less computing power. Its gonna take a long time to reach that point.

[@davidchalmers6753]

Aster Maxwell that moment when you validate my claim by stating the fact they would need more processing power. We like to think as humans we are super complex to the point ai can't follow our actions but it's just not true. With more processing power the bot could experiences eons of dota in mere hours. A 5v5 is trivial as you scale the power.

[@amanofculture4892]

3:35 Naruto's clone training irl but with robots. I love that we live in a time when I can say that and it makes sense.

[@Dietsoy]

I want to see a full Elon musk team compete in TI18

[@dangerouslycheesy2709]

Ron Tysoe they did, the humans won. Like destroyed the ai. The ai couldnt handle a real strategy. Haha

[@dangerouslycheesy2709]

But you cant show elon musk looking dumb

[@FromTheDead.]

A drunkwookie but could that be only because the ai havent learned the strategies? Maybe the next time they compete it will be different? Idk just asking

[@randomperson6324]

MrDAMMyou eh that would be amazing but at the same time impossible. we humans can adapt to different situations in the game but a group of ai doing that would be fucking insane....

[@Dietsoy]

Vindiel Hellsing thats the point of an ai thou, ai's process information and adapt to situations, except they're only limited to how much information they can process. Its not as impossible as people think and if they perfected the ai, with strategies and inhuman reaction times, the only hope would to find the bugs. Thats how most pro players bested the system.

[@mizchief7305]

No its fake. It is actually Elon musk playing

[@2birdbrained4u]

Best comment under this video! :D

[@anhkiet8306]

Mizchief its funny but elon have 0 chance in his whole life to reach 10% of that level

[@anhkiet8306]

Donald J Trump here my advice if u wanna troll in a topic at least know something about it.

[@ryannguyen8379]

Grey Pup here my advice if u wanna comment pls know that the other comment was a joke and u dont have to explain

[@withfrshmlk]

imagine a whole team of that ai

[@RADLadio]

Imagine a whole army

[@truthseeker7894]

imagine a robot army 🤔

[@marcusmeira5594]

TheSpicyMango I wouldn't underestimate self-teaching AI. The history of artificial inteligence is full of humans saying things like "bots could never do this" or "they'd be really bad at that", and then the bots prove the humans wrong. I'd say it's just a matter of time.

[@vonreiji3859]

TheSpicyMango understimate the AI? If they can adapt that shet we mostly fked as humans

[@joseluis.colungag]

They'd have to be brand new ai's. This ai was taught to play by being alone against a player. It was to learn how to do team work, every team member has to.

[@SnipingMachines]

Dropping by to show some support, keep up with being consistent. Much Love 🙏

[@ceruleandusk]

I need one of these bots to carry me lmao

[@rock3tcatU233]

I need one of these bots to enslave humanity.

[@RKroese]

ⵔⵓⴽⴰⵜⴽⴰⵜ Ill enslave these bots...

[@darkmattermusic8326]

Luciano @

[@darkmattermusic8326]

Luciano @

[@Fastarful]

i think this bot will fail on 5vs5 xD

[@dannywhite132]

It's not surprising tbh. The bot can effectively play the perfect game with no mistakes, misclicks, hesitations etc etc

[@aybanartworkz8902]

Daniel White people can do flawlessly too.. and AI can experience errors also.. but rarely yeah

[@rollingthunder8630]

Daniel White You don't understand, this IS surprising due to how complex Dota is. The skillset (things you mentioned like hesitation, misclicking, perfect aim, etc) of the bot wasn't what mattered, the true achievment here is making the bot a srategic mastermind capable of adapting to all circumstances. The bot is also capable of thinking of new strategies on the spot because it has intelligence and can recollect data from previous games. Big step forward for AIs! Artifical neural networks are advancing rapidly.

[@Sawrub]

the way he says "its not surprising tbh" shows how much he understands the situation . lOL

[@BrokkoliSchleuder]

jed luke is perfectly right. Bots didn't do misclicks or hesitated for decades (- in fact they never did). That's nothing new. It's about the new level of adaption and foresight.

[@eyylmao5370]

at first glance I read that as White people can do flawlessly too

[@ComradeTomatoTurtle]

“Eight high level players” shows slacks LUL.

[@axonbro707]

I Tuurtley don't even care ...slacks is 6k mmr and a pro player.

[@ComradeTomatoTurtle]

Rithvik Pillai he’s 5k and never played with a pro team, so he’s neither.

[@ComradeTomatoTurtle]

mmr=/= pro level. playing in pro teams=pro IMO n if we consider hes like 5k now he was prob calibrated 3k when rank started

[@Relhio]

He took so many random hits and chose the engages so poorly, how could this guy be called "pro" if he makes beginner mistakes?

[@jeffreyvauxhall3260]

High level players =/= pro teams Slacks is purely on the entertainment side he was once a good player how he's just a panelist

[@MJ-vu7et]

I was thinking that E-Sport has a bright future, buth now, i’m confused. If bot now can outplay best pro players in his early stage, what will happen after 2 or 3 years ?

[@mobilegamingfx4354]

We will be watching bots fight other bots in order to see which team has the best bot programmers lul

Just like chess. Stockfish (and Alpha Zero) completely destroys the best players but chess is still a thing.

[@nocomment00]

I'll tell you lover bots are coming and feminists are dead scared since men might even gain the superiority in the dating game.

[@h00db01i]

there will be bots vs bots, as an addition what is this shit about computers replacing us? It doesn't become true if you just repeat it over and over..

[@luls9000]

I think there's a lot more enjoyment of watching people playing games other than just seeing high level gameplay, however, at some point a bot could probably give me all the enjoyment I get from humans, but even more and better and suited to my needs, but that will probably take a long fucking time.

[@Zawzeu]

1v1 me on roblox adopt and raise a cute baby

[@thhb1]

Zawze Zenovia lmao those games are fucked

[@danhawk1006]

Zawze Zenovia there's no way the bot could win this one!

[@iCollectCans]

1v1 me on roblox jailbreak

[@dankninja9434]

Roblox Rap Battles let's go bois 1v1 I'll beat ur ass

[@philipprsa7755]

Cmon lets go I’ll raise that child so hard, try me bitch

[@Pr3tti]

In the future BOTS will be kidnapped for ransom...

[@digiquo8143]

“Honey, someone kidnapped BOT#1477245” “Just use the backup, dear.” “Oh, yeah. Forgot about him.”

[@flaurosan]

elon musk, new e-sports champion

[@brahmaduttamahapatra4222]

liquid vs musk. a slimy match to stickiness

[@Necron3145]

"I think there isn't nearly enough computing power in this world to support a 5v5 AI team" Literally not even 1 year later...

[@Haessige]

Develops super good AI.... but uses 5$ webcam...

[@Relco12]

Haessige elon musk was never in the vid, wheres the $5 mic

[@TheLegend-uy7ym]

Relco12, Did he say anything about Elon Musk? And he meant the webcam.

[@vuvuuuuu]

Haessige is talking about the white bald man with a shitty webcam

[@ayelmao1231]

Smart spending.

[@ru1n784]

TheLegend27 stoo, your embarrassing urself

[@ernestoteologoiii6588]

My mom was right.. Dota is gonna destroy our life... Welcome to the beginning of the end.. Keep learning bots...

[@apexashwin]

Ernesto Teologo III aww

[@hyper_5pace902]

Multi Gaming "rarted"

[@dennisponcardas1325]

Pabida ka Brod.

[@evicteetori8738]

I think this would be an absolute blast to watch. A whole team of open ai in really any game competing normally in a tournament. Maybe a charity?

[@ziegfeld4131]

super koopa 64 theres not enough processing power in thr world 5vt full game is diffremt than this the bots didnt buy items or really play the game

[@christofferrasmussen6533]

^Shut up, you're wrong and you sound stupid. All it takes is more time or more power, there's literally no reason why they shouldn't be able to learn to play any game better than a coordinated human team, doesn't matter which game, 1v1, 5v5, 100v100, doesn't fucking matter. And to the guy posting the original comment, no, it'd be boring as fuck to watch unless you're talking 5 bots against 5 bots, any player team would just get roflstomped.

[@caillou7552]

It would have to be in a MOBA or game similar. The reason being is in a game like a FPS just a regular coded bot has significant advantage due to perfect aiming. Just the regular coders who make aim bots could createa team of bots that could stomp any csgo pro team just due to their perfect aiming and not actual intelligence of the bots.

[@evicteetori8738]

Christoffer Rasmussen then why did this player win.

[@sleepywavyboi7022]

Let's wait for OpenAI Five. I hope they will show this on TI9.

[@xyon9090]

*This should be in League of Legends too.* The AI in LoL sucks!

[@blitheixgaming1289]

They suck ass

[@Letgoit2]

I agree only doombots are doable enemies to train with!

[@lofipain2982]

Bots probably didnt get touched since s1, ofc they suck ass

[@drewkavi6327]

The AI requires an insane amount of computing power so it isn’t feasible

[@sadboi_tv]

There should be: “Elon Musk AI vs Doom Bots”

[@moracomole8090]

Imagine trial by combat and you choose AI as your champion

[@brahmaduttamahapatra4222]

then you find your pendrive has a virus

[@LICKINGAPIG]

0:21 When you drop your fire Mixtape

[@poisenbery]

This doesn't seem difficult to program. All you need is to configure the ai to track cooldowns and program the exact ranges of enemy attacks with a few LOS checks and team combos. The only reason it would beat them is because it already knows exactly when your attacks are on cd, which means it can play aggro. once your abilities start coming off cd, it does a check whether or not it can kill you before you can kill it, and it will make a decision whether or not to continue with the attack. It's like saying you programmed a bot to beat CS:GO pros, and the bots just have a 100% accuracy aimbot...

[@AlyOopsieDaisy]

*i want to see this bot against itself?*

[@mepmep619]

Winston Mcgee but he wants to SEE it, not just hear that they made the bots play againts themselves

[@gyges3755]

That is not a question?

[@iwantlee9510]

I dont think so, Chrome

[@warwickthekingmaker7281]

i am willling to match your bet. I think the bot will lose.

[@AXharoth]

he just got lucky

[@VArsovski10]

5:06 = 0 fucks given

[@RiceCracker87]

It blows my mind that the ai could invent it's own strategies that pros had bever though of and what's more is that the developers, the people who CREATED it, didn't even realize what it was doing till it worked! How can a robot do something that it's creators couldn't even imagine it doing! We even see in the video that they talk about it like it's an intelligent creature they're studying but it's something THEY CREATED. This is truly pushing the boundaries of where robots end and humans begin. So bizarre to think about.

[@LetTheWritersWrite]

Matthew Wong But you're making it seem like it's an organism. It's not alive. It's simply trying to solve a math problem over and over. That's all computers do. The outcomes are still confined within the limitations of the algorithm. It's the same as to running math models or simulations to study the outcomes. Artificial intelligence is just a marketing term.

[@DeNorali]

LetTheWritersWrite It is an organism. It is alive. In an abstract or at least alien sense, it very much is alive.

[@RiceCracker87]

That's the fascinating thing though isn't it? It solves problems its involving issues it's never been exposed to, it invents strategies that not even pros had though of. Like Alexander Nielsen said, in a way, that's the stuff of life.

[@218Flows]

But if you look closely, every decision in life is a mathematical calculation, and math describes the properties of everything in the universe.

[@physe8052]

There is a very long discussion about this topic, so the short version is there are a lot more factors that result in consciousness and in particular the human mind than one would think. A computer will always be restricted to numbers, equations, inputs and outputs, etc... Humans, on the other hand, have a thorough grasp of concepts a computer will never be able to truly comprehend such as emotions, aspiration, self-awareness, etc...even a fully realized artificial intelligence would still only be able to comprehend a small fraction of the reality we experience: observational data. A machine can only ever work with existing conditions. It can not and will not ever be able to do something that I would argue is central to the human experience: imagine.

[@solosailorsv8065]

The Programmers learning new AI techniques is the real Winner here.

[@Jonseredi]

They could make the same thing with Overwatch, but the problem is that you could just put 100% hs accuracy on a McCree and teach it proper positioning and that would be it.

[@germansniper5277]

Jonseredi you really dont need to make an AI for fps games. You can just turn on your aimbot same thing.

[@Jonseredi]

Did you think about what you wrote before you commented it? Saying that you don't need to make an AI is correct because technically you never have to make an AI. The point is that if they were to implement this AI to other projects (games) like Overwatch it would be obsolete. Turning on aimbot is obviously not the same thing, I have no idea how anybody could draw bridges between those two, wow.

[@germansniper5277]

Jonseredi just forget what I said man, im A stupid piece of Human garbage that doesnt know anything.

[@pr0gengoo96]

proper positioning and accuracy is still half the cake - without game sense and team coordination the mcCree would get owned - just stay behind a rein shield and shoot the fvker Now if they implement that on a WHOLE team and balance it with proper team comp...then is another story Still would like to see how the bots get toxic against a torb on attack XD

[@Jonseredi]

You don't really need those with 100% hs accuracy and proper positioning. Proper positioning includes not pushing far enough to have yourself get shot from behind a rein shield. Also you have to assume that the scenario is neutral which means that the McCree would then also have a rein shield and if the McCree's team isn't capable of playing properly then it should be assumed that the opponents couldn't play properly either. Basic game sense is also assumed since it's an AI that needs to be able to play to begin with. So the only thing it would lack would be team coordination, but after proper positioning a McCree doesn't have more to add to the team as using his ultimate is relatively weak. 0/5, OpenAI McCree would rekt.