Elsie's Rifle | First Impression

[@deeell7084]

AP rounds is never spoken about, with the way teams group up now, I’ve had multiple collat kills. Great vid as always, this gun is a banger.

[@muk3558]

im gonna be on the lookout for a roll with this then, hate how everyone just sticks together now.

[@Elijah-bj4vo]

AP rounds over pen?

[@joshtenney4143]

​@@Elijah-bj4vo Yup, always have. Thorn does as well

[@deeell7084]

@@Elijah-bj4vo yeah, autos a great with this aswell. Often overlooked.

[@likafoss]

They over pen once. I've always preferred them on literally every PvE gun (machine guns included) but I'll have to try it out in PvP (where I usually preferred ricochet rounds for potential bounce shots)

[@InTheMistByTheHills]

Nothing hits like a new Cam video when I'm at work

[@JoshuaDonnieBuller]

For me its Cam & coffee first thing in the morning

[@hungjurysr425]

Then you’ve never seen me with my disobedient son

[@midknight_2139]

Damn straight

[@OriginalBosss]

Nothing hits like your wife while you're at work

[@mje1984x]

does your boss know about your yt avatar

[@The-Owl-Bard]

There's something poetic about one of the best weapons in the Brave Arsenal being a D1 Weapon brought forward

[@BombStars]

Frenzy really needs more recognition. People toss it out bc they argue it takes too long to activate, but it really isn’t. If you’re already dealing or taking damage regularly, you don’t need to do anything else. And it stays active if you’re taking or dealing damage. So the buff can hypothetically stay up forever as long as you’re getting hurt or peppering someone with 1 damage.

[@Cameron00]

Frenzy with Gemini jester is absolutely insane and makes for some really fun hyper aggressive gameplay. Cammy actually made content about running frenzy with Gemini back in the day.

[@BombStars]

@@Cameron00 Cammy actually got me hooked on frenzy last year. I use it unironically on my timelost Fatebringer, I love that handcannon. I also use it on my adept Wardens law for the boost of handling and added forgiveness, it’s good on that gun too.

[@pharaohavalon8566]

Ngl I’m probably missing out but if max recovery wasn’t 6 seconds then yeah I would try it but after 5 seconds (of trying to heal) you lose all progress on frenzy which has caused me to stay away. Especially as a hunter when mobility is needed my resilience isn’t the best so I’m squishy. Maybe on my titan for pve.

[@Cameron00]

@@BombStars yo no way I also am addicted to my frenzy Fatebringer. One of my most used hand cannons ever

[@BombStars]

@@Cameron00 how many kills? I got 1.6k currently

[@johnnysocket76]

Void messenger with desperate measures and that new origin trait to go with my veritys brow build makes me very excited! Zen moment with this is insane!

[@Coldest_]

Messenger is now more like the kinetic Elsie’s

[@Speedie1962]

Got zen, desperate measures, ricochet, chambered comp and stability mw. Now all I need is 10% of your skill.

[@wishythefishy]

The video for which I was waiting. This thing reminds me of relentless, but with frenzy and rewind rounds I feel like a turret. It's incredible.

[@wyboycowboy]

Under-over Headseeker been my go-to.

[@itshadouken]

Titans are so OP in crucible you have to change the entire way you play just to deal with it. The Titan overshield situation needs a nerf badly.

[@LOCK0N_STATUS]

Last time I came this early I had kids

[@JoshuaDonnieBuller]

Nice😂

[@saintxix1309]

Every now and then, Bungie drops a thing of beauty and Elsie's is the belle of the ball.

[@LTR1420]

This thing is so good and nostalgic. I used the blue strangers rifle in D1 a lot because it was full auto. I have one with dynamic sway/headseeker and got the most casual "We Ran" I've ever had. Literally just point and shoot.

[@chips1181]

Yo I was in this game Cammy, GG'S! Super dope playing with you

[@testme242]

Only Cammy pulls out a calculator in a weapon review video :) Love you man

[@blackfishgaming7145]

💯

[@Kirokill1]

I got shiny with zen moment/under over and headseeker/desperado.

[@zekerdeath]

youre not wrong about the decision making on display here.. simply immaculate

[@aires8301]

Desperate measures can go all the way up to times three in crucible with one ability kill

[@yyyhhh8481]

i dunno, getting 2 bursts with the messenger seems easier with rapid hit rather then zen moment

[@ryanrhoads9546]

I have a zen moment with desperado. I've been having lots of fun.

[@radar._.]

the gyrfalcons pvp build you did with that other 340 pulse would slap here

[@HonoredD2]

Prismatic hunter might have a play for adrenaline junkie with the transcendent grenade which is solar/stasis

[@pirate_duck4985]

Had so many ideas for weapons I wanted to pick up from the Brave Arsenal. Now I'm not really happy with a couple of those & thankfully there's a few extras like this! I need two now haha. Repulsor Brace x Destabilising Rounds for Gyrfalcons in PVE, Zen x Headseeker/Desperate Measures for PVP. Same deal with Recluse! Wasn't really fussed & now I need one for Gyrfalcons in PVE after messing around with one! Elsie's was one hell of a pleasant surprise! It's a Stat monster with a serious good perk pool! Sign me up+

[@MegaBeanHead0]

I tested all the combinations of barrels with counter balance stock for the best recoil direction. I found any barrel with +10 RD and NO counterbalance gives the most verticals RD. So either chambered compensator or extended barrel would be my pick personally. And a plus side, that gives you space to have targeting adjuster or quick access sling.

[@fotis3v480]

But fks over your handling. 83 is better than 100 but the difference at 75 stability is minimal together with zen so you'd rather get the +15 or +20 handling. I have the Chamber,Rich, Zen,HS, Stability roll and its not moving at all but the handling is felt and you need double dexterity mods on the gun itself and one on your arms to make smooth transitions to your secondary.

[@MegaBeanHead0]

@@fotis3v480 yeah I always forget to talk about handling. I use ophidians about 99 times out of 100 so don’t rlly feel the handling downsides.

[@zekerdeath]

alright then.. put together a simple knucklehead invis build and this thing got me my second ever flawless, nice

[@life-destiny1196]

Cam, you've been mostly on controller for the last few weeks (at least on KZbin; I rarely go over to Twitch, so idk what doesn't make the cut). I'm curious what your goals are re: input devices. Are you trying to be awesome at both for its own sake? Stay informed about the controller vs. MnK metagame? Transition to maining controller full time? Just curious where your head's at on it these days.

[@somefishhere]

The build crafting is different for the controller sandbox so he wants to buildcraft for that for a while

[@ransomdean9141]

I don’t think I’ve been this excited for a singular weapon.

[@jasonbarajas1105]

HOLY CRAP THAT'S CHIPS IN YOUR LOBBY!!! What an honor.

[@smoothwadee23]

💀📠

[@fastmovingvolcanomatter]

11:23 and i thought only i could choke a 1v1 that hard lmao

[@deano1010101]

Seems like you could go under over and headseeker as well.

[@wishythefishy]

I just realized, they didn't reintroduce timepiece because they wanted this thing to be THE pulse rifle with that perk.

[@IceColdKillaTrav]

I got that exact same roll, used it the other day and it was pretty nasty

[@Ruuod]

got a shiny one with zen moment/keep away and headseeker/destabilizing rounds. im satisfied with this for pve/pvp

[@nikitakhomenko7513]

Missed the barrel on my roll... What is the difference between 88 recoil and 100?

[@Sadcatblake]

I got a pretty good roll with zen moment Head seeker high call rounds chambered compensator and range master work the things a beast in pvp

[@konnorkol6210]

On PC this pulse feels like it has insane bullet magnetisms

[@L3RK]

Loose Change/Adrenaline Junkie with a Verity's HHSN is great fun in 6's.

[@aqtip6535]

I’ve been using a similar build but I’m using a roll with loose change which may not be as good as zen but it feels good w/ gyrfalcons

[@loballd544]

How do you feel about the range on your roll? Mine is almost identical, and I find on some maps I have to switch out zen for keep away to keep up. Also, 2-bursts feel more consistent with KA on.

[@eschabert1129]

For some reason (probably because I am not all that good) I am much better with pulses than hand cannons, and this is definitely the strongest energy pulse I have used. I feel like I can compete with stronger players in 3's using it. My roll is chambered, ricochet, zen, headseeker, range masterwork by the way.

[@corujariousa]

Rub some of those PVP skills on me. 🙂 You know the maps so well and of course have the strategies. Nice! I need to get this pulse. Not playing much for a while now but still enjoy D2.

[@AndrewOnYoutube]

I got a nasty shiny. PvE and PvP in one

[@michaelevans2594]

What are your controller settings for a pulse rifle, thanks?

[@pixel3160]

I wish that Titans didn't have such a choke hold on weapon TTK

[@djcj5390]

Hey Cammy, noticed sum 2 burst kill pulses have keep away and zen moment in the same column like Elsie's Rifle. Which do you prefer on mkb and controller?

[@milanmartinec9732]

Finally a good 340 rpm pulse in the energy slot (yes I know there is phyllo and premonition, but they kinda have a bit wonky aim for me, not to mention getting them is kinda pain in the ass). I love that you can pair it with multimach/LW/huckleberry etc, it's a blast this way. Zen moment + headseeker is a pretty unique combo, the second burst feels like a laser with zen activated. That being said, about the two bursts, I was kinda surprised how rare they've become since I have switched from messenger, and I have said to myself that it's a different gun and that I'll just have to learn it a bit more. After a week it got better, but for some reason my old rapid hit headseeker messenger slaps way more, can't explain it. I even experimented with different recoils, it's good to test it on the wall or something, fire two or three burst and you'll see that most of them goes quite to the left. 83 and 100 feels the best on Elsie (yeah for some reason 83 is better than 88, and the base 73 is an absolute ass though, goes wayy to the left). Or maybe it's the lesser zoom. But regardless, still a great gun, and finally I can put some colors on a NTTE frame other than from an ornament. Anyway sorry for the novel I wrote here, I like dad rifles as you can see

[@Pekeponzer]

The reason why 83 is better than 73 or even 88 is because the deterministic recoil on Elsie pulls to the left. 83 is the only recoil where it can pull to the right, neutralizing the deterministic recoil.

[@d2cbro]

83 with chambered feels really good to me

[@fotis3v480]

Messenger has perfectly vertical recoil, you only need to pull down to get the two bursts.

[@milanmartinec9732]

@@fotis3v480 I guess it's that, plus the higher zoom helps the stickiness a bit as well at longer ranges

[@Zagiera]

Does destiny have input based matchmaking? Like if your on roller does it try to match you with other rollers? And vise versa?

[@hashim4512]

Is recoil direction that important when you have zen moment ?

[@life-destiny1196]

If you can keep the recoil direction similar between all your guns, it's less muscle memory that you have to mess with. Since Guardians are vertical targets, most people like their recoil to be as vertical as possible. It's a different axis entirely from the things Zen offers.

[@rakantdarrath4264]

But good sir you did get at least 1 two burst!

[@fotis3v480]

On controller you need zen and 65+ stability to 2 burst reliably, I've gotten like 50 rolls.. without 65 stab,zen moment it didn't matter what i used at 33+m i lost the two burst. I even got a Cork,rich,K.A,Hs,range mw roll which is double consistency perks and i still just didn't get enough 2 taps outside 33m regardless how much i manually controled it. I got a shiny chamber,rich,zen,hs,stab mw and even tho it has 65 range compared to my 90 range roll it has 'more range' cause it can consistently two burst at its max drop off even through flinch regardless of the -3.5/4m range drop off.

[@life-destiny1196]

Also that chaperone crit at 12:39 is felonious

[@jgvtc559]

So you have dim link for your list Of guns and perks to keep or trash?

[@godbeezus]

Hopefully blast furnace will be better

[@Olc-ui8fk]

It won’t be

[@Olc-ui8fk]

Been farming this thing non stop and still not a good zen/headseeker roll

[@caboose2569]

Whats the best class for pvp?

[@szoku8357]

Wow I just realized that this scope is getting red when low on ammo...

[@GoDLiKe211]

Most guns do that

[@ImmaculateOtter]

What is the TTK for high-impacts if you 3-burst?

[@life-destiny1196]

It's 0.4s from the end of one burst to the start of the next, if my math is correct. The bullets within a pulse fire at 900rpm (that's 1/15th of a second, or about 0.06-0.07s), first burst ends at 0.13s, second burst starts at 0.53s. Second burst ends at 0.67s, so third burst would start at roughly 1.07s and end at 1.2s. Hope that helps!

[@bobl5328]

cammy, what do you think about tying mobility to jump thrust acceleration? This would make mobility important to build into at least at some level. I'm tired of titan OS's and every gun has a resilience ttk check that basically benefits every titan and many WL's that don't need to spec into mobility.

[@life-destiny1196]

I don't think resil being a good stat is the biggest problem with titan. It's mostly Ward of Dawn with a side of melee lunge playing poorly on bad connections.

[@life-destiny1196]

Separately, my suggestion for the mobility stat is just make sprint speed scale with it, cowards. (You can then have Stompees etc. just give a bunch of mobility rather than a hodgepodge.)

[@bobl5328]

@@life-destiny1196 That would be good too. It just seems wrong having the highest mobility and being the slowest to critical map areas unless I run strand.

[@FettuccineAllaGay]

💜shoutout to void

[@lSpartxn23]

Hell yeah i waited for this video!!!❤

[@cryengine_x]

yeah elsies has about even stats to messenger, of course it's great. you can think of it as energy messenger maybe. dont kid yourself zen/headseeker is the best roll. all these meta guns nowdays are so power crept, they're each like the ultimate laser version of a given archetype, bungie honestly has nowhere else to go with them. like, quicksilver storm has 100 stability, it's the ultimate lethal form of a 720 AR. elsies can reach 60 plus handling, which 340 pulses just arent supposed to do. etc.

[@ThunderShunt]

I’ve always thought that an OS gave 45 health, have i been lead astray?

[@life-destiny1196]

it's 45 per d2foundry, dunno who else is mistaken here. Easy to mix up I think

[@BansheeNornPhenex]

I got zen moment kill clip.

[@TheFieryVictini]

No time to explain reskin??🤔

[@hi.im.iris69420]

No Time at home

[@Gunnar120]

I think it's rough because I want to like it but the recoil direction is just so ugly. Additionally, I have a hard time playing any pulse rifle now in the harder hitting archetypes without just wishing that I was using my crafted Revision Zero.

[@PainKiller696]

I want Shiny! 🤩

[@sleepykermitthehermit6109]

Hai cam

[@billyjoe2027]

I have that role :)

[@gavman4]

day 1 of watching cam when I wake up

[@chickenjimmy6552]

Day 1 of watching you while you wake up

[@jonasferreira8271]

chaperone on controller is busted bro 🤨

[@DeathstrokeIncGaming]

Cammy I watched you since you had 2k subscribers but hearing you say can a top player be successful with a high impact pulse on controller was the most ridiculous thing I've heard. Most controller users use pulses cause the freebies of assistance.

[@Randomchatter_atwork]

got a shiny with zen headseeker and stability, will get arrowhead and riccochet when they add crafting for these guns with the final shape.

[@upgreid]

Sadly once Final Shape drops you won't be able to change barrel, mag, or masterwork. You'll only be able to enhance perks.

[@colinrobinson4233]

Crosshair is awful. Gun feels cumbersome. I prefer Cold Denial 👍

[@benjamineaston5368]

33 seconds baby

[@phalsephil8033]

im very early 😀

[@Dokkaebi7431]

Quitting PvP again because I can’t stand another pulse meta

[@skoomaguy3748]

High Impact pulses are 100% results and 0% fun. All you gotta do is play your range and you’re instantly the most annoying player in the lobby