America’s Most Underrated Roller Coaster - Shivering Timbers - How Does It Compare to The Voyage?

[@georgeonquantin9812]

Ryan just gave more publicity to Michigan's Adventure than Cedar Fair for the last decade.

[@Karmy.]

Yeah, MA feels like it's been neglected by Cedar Fair Sad that it's like the only park in my state and it's not great, I usually just end up going to Cedar Point instead Shivering Timbers is great but not worth the three hour drive when the rest of the park is kinda meh

[@DoswarePictures]

@@Karmy. it’s closer to me than any other park though.

[@magethenrogue3035]

Truth!

[@robertreed1296]

@@Karmy. I live less than an hour away from the park but still make the 4 and a half hour drive to Cedar Point 4 out of 5 times.

[@njm203]

And thank God. Michigan's adventure has a top tier water park imo. You can get through most of the coasters in a morning. It needs more love and cedar fair got add 7-8 more coasters with all the land they have. 2/3rds of the park is trees

[@jacksonclark3581]

Im so surprised shivering timber’s hasn’t collapsed yet from carrying the whole park 😂. I remember going to Michigan’s adventure every year when I lived in west Michigan. But even after all those visits the only ride I remember is shivering timbers. Truly a great ride.

[@Extremesports49]

Hey a fellow pilot!👋🏻

[@au__h208]

Its been closed down many times due to possible failure lol, its been close but they wont let them close her down for long

[@jandrew1994]

Shivering Timbers, Thunderhawk Vekoma SLC, Wolverine Wildcat, Corkscrew, Mad Mouse. But mostly, spending 4 hours at the nicely kept water park and staring at my amazingly gorgeous West Michigan born-and-raised girlfriend Marissa in her string bikini in the sweet heart of summer... My life in summer 2019!!

[@jakeblaylock3490]

as a Michigander, our west coast is one of the most forgotten yet amazing vacation destinations in America. Lake Michigan is beautiful, with not only the dunes as you mentioned but endless beautiful views, especially in Muskegon where Michigan's Adventure is located. For the nature appreciator, you can just walk around or google random state parks and stumble into massive staircases to stunning vantage points and beautiful gazebos, one of which was where a good friend of mine recently got married! If city life is more your style, Holly and Grand Rapids both are packed full of fun and Michigan history, with the latter having amazing nightlife. Sure our winters are brutal, but western Michigan in the summer is one of the most fun and underrated places to be, so really Shivering Timbers is just suffering from that same curse. TL;DR: Come to Michigan, we're a bit out of the way, but it's awesome here!

[@Ply447]

Grew up in the area, i miss it, this coaster remains my favorate.

[@arnold20139]

I cant believe someone is talking about Michigan's Adventure! Michiganders Unite! ❤

[@SagaFraga]

YUP!

[@robertreed1296]

All of us from the Mitten State gotta stick together!

[@robertreed1296]

@Elliott Kemp Thunderhawk is one of the better kept SLC's

[@baconbitsmusic431]

Yessss

[@matt_da_bomb1266]

Hello fellow Michiganders

[@TerrenceMarie]

I'm crying! This is my home park and I can never find decent content about it bc no one likes this park but I love it. It's just a different kind of love than say Cedar Point.

[@Ethan_Hans_Stang]

Inr

[@legendbaon8752]

Going here for the first time next week. Pretty excited actually. It would be the first park I have been to outside of my home park

[@sotjohny]

I know I love living only 30 mins away from michigan's adventure!

[@TerrenceMarie]

@@legendbaon8752 I'm glad you're excited! It's a quiet family park so expect smaller lines but over all less to do. If u go open to close u can ride all the major rides, both flat and roller coasters. Shivering timbers is such a gem but it is moody. As a kid wolverine wildcat was my favorite but I don't hear anyone compliment it anymore. It's the perfect park to scratch ur coaster itch at but also take a breather. I can go here on a wim really easily but other parks feel like I need to plan super heavily.

[@sotjohny]

The last like 5 times I've gone the queue has been like completely empty so we could just walk back on

[@tristanschafer1]

Michigan's Adventure has such potential to be a destination park, especially when you consider that the existing park takes up literally less than half of the property. They have enough spare room to build a second park the same size right next to it and still have space left over.

[@SagaFraga]

They just need to connect the path between timber’s, Wolverine, and thunderhawk and add another coaster there and it would be Golden.

[@jimwhelan9152]

It needs better access to be a destination park.

[@ninjagirl226]

The problem is getting there. I'm from the Grand Rapids area and we rarely went growing up. It's also in Muskegon. Now I'm aware the park is in the nice part of Muskegon, but I also remember going to track meets in Muskegon and being escorted off the bus by police and being warned not to leave the track or you might be shot. There's no lodging near the park so if you were to hotel it I would personally go all the way to Whitehall or Grand Haven where's it's safer. Yeah they have room to expand, but the park is just in a bad spot if it had been in let's say Rockford, Big Rapids, or Allendale it would at least be near a major city with an airport, lots of hotels, and easier access to other major cities in the state.

[@tristanschafer1]

@@ninjagirl226 Yeah I grew up around Ann Arbor so Michigan's Adventure was a "once a year, maybe, if you're lucky" type of deal, and that was only because my family already vacationed in Pentwater fairly regularly. We never once had to think about actually staying the night in Muskegon lol. I still think they have room on-site to build a resort or a hotel or something, but I guess that wouldn't help with how few major cities are on the West side of the state.

[@kustomxfreeze]

@@ninjagirl226 you were not being escorted by police 🤣🤣 muskegon is nothing like this and it shows how delusional you are and how much you're looking in from the outside.

[@bigdaddy793-1]

Thank god somebody is talking about this coaster. I saw this title and got so excited, this is literally my favorite wooden roller coaster!

[@baconbitsmusic431]

69th like

[@matthewclark4510]

It goes up and down it dosnt do anything else how is that good in anyways

[@bigdaddy793-1]

@@matthewclark4510 airtime

[@bigdaddy793-1]

@@matthewclark4510 its also fast and kinda rough, and i love roughness in wooden coasters

[@xavierclark2702]

@@matthewclark4510 gp

[@blackhawks81H]

"It's almost as if it's overbuilt"... It's on the east side of Lake Michigan... It damn well better be overbuilt. Lol

[@SagaFraga]

He mentioned the silver lake sand dunes and the reason they exist is because logging was done there in the 1800s and the winds just kept pushing the sand up and over on the land ensuring no trees would grow.

[@snoboard91503]

In case no one understands the importance of the location, check the weather radar in the winter #LakeEffectSnow

[@arkitect156]

IMO Shivering timbers is like a toned down El-toro mixed with voyage, a long airtime filled ride with crazy camelbacks... This park need so much love and frankly cedar fair isnt giving it to them

[@lordmanshaft1112]

I've always said that ST is basically the sleepy stoner uncle of El Toro.

[@NickyD]

because that park simply doesnt bring in high attence levels

[@kylefrew9645]

Nicky D Not for the rollercoasters, but its well known for its wearer slides.

[@themesnthrills]

Ryan: "If you also watch my Problematic Coasters series..." Me: Ah sh!t, here we go again

[@will3057]

Ryan: goes 20 minutes without talking about blockzones. Me: Yes you did it. Ryan: A block zone is. Me: Are you kidding me

[@TheSonicsean]

B L O C K Z O N E S

[@stalefish1873]

No block zones on this coaster

[@saerenzea]

I laughed my butt off when he got into it.

[@TommonSensePro]

@@stalefish1873 I went to MiA at the end of last year and they only had one train going on ST...

[@ethanhcomposer]

If Shivering Timbers was at a larger park, maybe it would get more love. Michigan's Adventure...is a tiny Cedar Fair park.

[@DoswarePictures]

Or at a park not owned by a rival state.

[@bsheaves]

People in Michigan don’t go to Michigan’s adventure, they all go to Cedar Point😂

[@ethanhcomposer]

@@bsheaves Because it has *Steel Vengeance* lmao

[@oliverlol9841]

@@bsheaves I live in Michigan and went to cedar point last Thursday

[@dane4073]

There plenty of room for exspainions

[@clevelandbci9562]

1:05 Such a great visual I honestly thought it wasn't real. That is BEAUTIFUL.

[@etherealswordsman3214]

Thanks for giving at least some publicity to the all-star of my home park. I'm tired of the only park i can afford to visit most of the time being so continuously neglected.

[@SagaFraga]

Right here with ya man, let’s get some vernors pop and talk about how CF hates this park

[@coastaku1954]

Get a platinum Pass and go to Cedar Point man

[@etherealswordsman3214]

@@coastaku1954 i would, but i'm what's called broke

[@mrpeach2023]

@@coastaku1954 Priviledged

[@coastaku1954]

@@mrpeach2023 No it's called having a job

[@andyknight1]

Shivering Timbers was my first stateside woodie. I live in the UK, and we have nothing like this. I have so much love for this ride, as well as Voyage.

[@history_leisure]

Cedar Point is offering a trip for their employees to Michigan’s Adventure at the end of July. Even if it’s not open, I still want to take advantage of getting the chance to get up there

[@LeSpookyWolf]

Thank you so much for showing my little park love. Since Cedar Fair took over, it hasn't gotten nearly enough love or attention. Maybe a little positivity from coaster enthusiasts will help show Cedar Fair that there is so much promise here! I love Shivering Timbers, it was one of my first 'big' coasters.

[@realisticairtime5957]

I feel like Ryan decided to throw in the incident to just talk about block zones

[@DoswarePictures]

Maybe Michigan’s Adventure would get more attention if it weren’t owned by a company based in Ohio.

[@DoswarePictures]

@@minpinbear I know.

[@foolaidjammers9898]

Lol maybe this was apart of the rivalry

[@aidencadle4622]

@@minpinbear yes she does

[@melodydyk6170]

Lol and yet last time i went to cedar point they gave a Michigan Resident discount....hmmmmm 🤔 they're playing 4d chess over here

[@Starwarman1]

Could be worst. Could be like Geauga Lake

[@BackSeatJunkie]

Exactly, Shivering Timbers is the right rollercoaster at the wrong park.

[@andrewhanson1180]

There were so many plans for this park before Cedar Point bought them. We were supposed to get a hyper coaster for 1999. Cedar Fair keeps this place down in the dumps and I don't understand why when it's the most profitable park in the chain. Also West Michigan is going through a population boom at the moment.

[@dane4073]

@@andrewhanson1180 I know perfect opritunity to expand the park

[@cyrbuzz6615]

Selling the park sealed it’s fate as a dead end park.

[@gemnifan6045]

Having a friend that lives near the park from what i understand its more the local government wont let them do stuff to the park and cf just spent like 5 million on a new kids area

[@stalefish1873]

Doesn't matter, this coaster is one of the best Woody's in the world.

[@craft7185]

Ride wanted to be like Steel Vengeance so much it even had a train bump!

[@NorthEasternMotionProductions]

Except this actually took a couple of decades to do that.

[@torydz]

So many coasters have the main drop and then try to twist and turn you in all directions. This one is dips dips dips dips and then more dips. Incredible! There used to be a coaster at the former West View Park in Pittsburgh called "The Dips" that was mostly all dips, like this coaster. To me, THAT is what makes for a great roller coater!! They used to call these types of coasters "Out and Back" coasters. I usually watch coaster videos just two or three times. I have watched this "Shivering Timbers" video at least two dozen times so far. I can't seem to get enough of it !! I never travel. I just love watching roller coaster videos. This is the FIRST coaster video I have ever watched which actually has me saying, "I want to GO to that park!!". GREAT video also!

[@BigFootRunner]

So pumped you did this video. This was my first and favorite coaster. I've always loved it and wondered why every wooden coaster I had been on seemed like it paled in comparison.

[@davidwayneprins]

I've lived about an hour from this park all my life. It was growing fast in the 80s and 90s. Somewhere around 1990, the other decently sized wooden coaster Wolverine Wildcat opened and the park changed its name from Deer Park Funland to Michigan's Adventure to mark a change from a petting zoo with a corkscrew roller coaster and a few rides similar to what you would see at a carnival into the beginning of a true amusement park. The addition of water park a few years later only seemed to continue on this path. When Cedar Fair bought the mark, most of West Michigan thought it would mean extra cash resources would be available for expansion and a 3 or 4 hour drive (for Great America or Cedar Point, respectively) would now longer be necessary sooner than it would have been under the ownership of the Jordan family. Cruelly, the opposite seems to have happened.

[@stratfender89]

Yeah man, I grew up in Muskegon and it's a bummer show shitty Cedar Fair has treated that park over the years.

[@howardparks6218]

Michigan's Adventure is my home park and I've always rode Shivering Timbers every trip. It is definitely the best ride in the park.

[@noahkiel2454]

Looks great I’ll have to get up there some day. I love how Ryan snuck a section about block zones in there as well lmao he didn’t need to but at the same time he really did

[@cookiecrispwizard]

This is immediately my favorite ETR video

[@patricksquires77]

I waited and boarded this coaster with my kids expecting a regular coaster. I was unprepared for the speed and excitement of this coaster. This is a phenomenal coaster and this coaster is my fav. IMO - the seat 2/3 of the way back is best airtime.

[@rtmclean484]

I clicked so god damn fast when I saw we had a new ElToroRyan coaster breakdown, never knew how much I was interested in rollercoasters before finding this channel! never change dude!

[@jennifercullison3149]

I grew up in west Michigan and this was my first big roller coaster as a kid. I'm weirdly proud that its getting so much love in this video

[@logan_page]

Fun fact about Shivering Timbers, if you look to the left on the second and third airtime hills you can see the ride graveyard in the wood where they dump old MA attractions.

[@zacharywoodman6445]

As a kid, Timbers was my favorite ride, it was my OG favorite as a young enthusiast being a Michigan native. I first rode it in 2001, and it has implicitly shaped my idea of what out and back roller coasters should be ever since. It is absolutely full of airtime, and the trick track--back when it was smooth when I was a kid--was really fun, delivering strong laterals and a nice break from the minimalist, air-time filled approach of the rest of the ride. It really reminds me of an excellent hypercoaster; in fact if it were a hypercoaster, it would probably be my favorite. And while I wouldn't rank it above a lot of the rides you mentioned, it definitely belongs in my top 5 wooden coasters even all these years later. I'm glad to see it finally getting some love. It along with Wolverine Wildcat (which I also think is quite underrated, tbh) have been retracted by Martin & Velminckx a handful of times, and honestly I think it runs quite well for being 20+ years old. It is definitely a lot smoother in the past few years than it was around 2008-2012 (the turnaround, especially the drop from the turnaround, used to be extremely rough; and the trick track for its last few years was really harsh), so Cedar Fair is taking ok care of it recently. A couple potholes are to be expected, and they hopefully can be patched up soon. I've definitely been there on cool days where it is slightly sluggish. When it's too windy, the return trip, especially the Helix, can be a little sluggish since it runs east-west. But get there on a calm, sunny day, especially in the afternoon and evening, and it runs like a dream.d I also have a little bit of a theory as to why Cedar Fair has not been investing much into Michigan's Adventure beyond the "it'll compete with Cedar Point" thing (which never made sense to me given how much they pour into King's Island). The park is split between two townships, Dalton township and Fruitland township. The border between the townships is right to the east of Wolverine Wildcat. Most of the park is in Fruitland township, I think the only rides that are in Dalton are Shivering Timbers, Grand Rapids, and the train (although maybe a part of Wolverine Wildcat and Thunderhawk is over the line). Fruitland appears to have really strict zoning requirements that limit the ability of the park to grow. They have a specific amusement zoning that restricts the height of any amusement ride to 125 feet (conveniently just about the height of Shivering Timbers) (www.fruitlandtwp.org/Portals/34/2015%20zoning%20ordinances/ARTICLE%20XIII%20-%20AMUSEMENT%20PARK%20DISTRICT.pdf ), which would explain why they are not building anything big in the main part of the park. While it does appear that Dalton Township, where they might have the most room to grow, is not quite as strict (it is zoned as a normal commercial district), much of that land looks like it is a little swampy as it is surrounded by drainage ditches and man-made ponds. Judging by satellite images they use a lot of it for storage. I think Cedar Fair might not want to deal with a township and not great construction conditions--especially if, given its location, it will not be that profitable anyway.

[@maxhagenauer24]

Yes!!! This ride looks so freaking underated, I can feel the airtime from literally watching a POV, great work and I absolutely cannot wait for the other vlogs mang. 👍

[@coastaku1954]

Trust me, there isn't much airtime, and then the back row is too rough to enjoy

[@KyleJPie10]

@@coastaku1954 wrong

[@coastaku1954]

@@KyleJPie10 Bro I literally rode it in the front and in the back, I have experienced this ride and have formed that opinion

[@KyleJPie10]

@@coastaku1954 I've ridden it somewhere in the realm of 100-200 times and it has never failed to give me incredible sustained floater airtime in any seat. You're probably just expecting ejector airtime, in which case, yes, it has none.

[@coastaku1954]

@@KyleJPie10 That's the impression I was given, even the floater was super weak

[@michaelflynn6242]

A couple of things. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! I have been saying for years that Shivering Timbers is vastly underrated. There is a ferry service that runs between Muskegon and Milwaukee. That saves hours very helpful if you want to go to Mt Olympus or SFGAM. Finally not only is Silver lake near but also Sleep Bear sand dunes which were voted most beautiful place in America. Well worth anybody's time.

[@surgegamer]

Great to see this coaster getting attention. MI Adventure is my home park and I can still remember when this beast first was built. Best brace yourselves though, because she's a rough one!

[@DoswarePictures]

I don’t remember because even though MA is my home park, I wasn’t living in Michigan yet. Nor was I alive.

[@HonestOtter]

The roughness was my issue with it. It was so bad that I called it quits after 2 rides.

[@circuitry400]

Yay! I’m glad to see that this coaster is getting recognition. I don’t ride it often, but when I do it’s a blast! Edit: Good news! I recently visited, and I saw Shivering Timber’s running! Looks like it’s all fixed up. :D Another edit: Drinking game, take a shot whenever he says “airtime”.

[@christysenertownsend9138]

Something to consider for coaster enthusiasts traveling between parks in the Midwest: there is a boat ferry between Milwaukee (30 minutes north of SF Great America) and Muskegon. This cuts the 4.5 hour (read: 6 hours with Chicago traffic and the time change) down to less than two hours.

[@jonjon10220]

This review is spot on, i ride this all the time and it blows me away every ride. Currently top 20 worthy out 230 coasters I've ridden

[@tropiusking]

I’ve been saying this for years!!!! My favorite woodie of all time

[@icopaseticMHF]

I know it used to be ranked high on the Golden Ticket Awards, because that's how I planned my vacations. We rode it at least a decade ago and loved it

[@micklefox]

This is a great ride! We used to frequent Shivering Timbers when I lived in Michigan. I miss it!

[@SagaFraga]

Going to MIA this Monday, it’s my home park and always has been. From northern Michigan, and I can I just say how amazing it is to finally see it get some attention!

[@DoswarePictures]

Neat. I’m also in Northern Michigan, although only for the past two years.

[@SagaFraga]

@@DoswarePictures i was born in northern Michigan and moved to the UP so I’m quite the Michigander

[@DoswarePictures]

@@SagaFraga I’m in the LP.

[@SagaFraga]

@@DoswarePictures nice, I live in Houghton for a part of the year

[@malloryharack301]

the second you went into the block zone talk, I mashed that like button

[@brianscotpatterson2101]

I got to ride it with the Trick-Track around 2001. I remember everyone really talking about that because it was a throw back to woodies in the early 20th Century. Seriously, I remember being on that turn around straight track and thinking, there should be a block break here?! It's got to be attendance at the park never mandated having dispatch need it.

[@ConnMC]

Finally Michigan adventure is getting some recognition!

[@triangledefinition]

I'm glad you enjoyed the local! Good intel on that collision, I was planning an August trip so I'll keep my eyes on that

[@pieterlootsma8706]

Been looking for an in depth review of Shivering Timbers since I first got into coasters around 10 years ago, and this video did not disappoint

[@steveandthebrats3413]

That ride feels like it it's not even connected to the track it's awsome I have rode it over 50 times and it never disappoints

[@patricksquires77]

1000% ❤

[@mclovin7440]

McLovin loved the honor to introduce you and Uncle Nate to this legendary ride. Really gives pride to having MiAdv as a semi-home park my whole life.

[@deathbackwards7850]

Listening to you talk about the layout is like an audiobook of the ride and it’s awesome

[@tbmike23]

The Sleeping Bear dunes are also on Michigan's west coast, though much further north. They're huge, and a pretty amazing hike

[@brianhillier7052]

WHEN I FIRST RODE THIS IN 1998 IT WAS EXTRAMLY SMOOTH.. SO GLAD U GOT HERE TO MICHIGAN thankyou for showing some love to my home park!! the place i grew up..

[@CoasterHour]

Will definitely have to get out to Michigan’s Adventure to do Shivering Timbers. It’s always looked really good imo and it’s great to hear that it is capable of running well even nowadays.

[@legoman0077]

Went to Michigan’s adventure on opening weekend and shivering timber and thunder hawk were closed. That was the first time I’ve been to Michigan’s adventure in like 8 years so I was massively disappointed. Shivering timber is one of my most ridden coasters still as I rode it about 25 times in a row last time I was there.

[@Ethan_Hans_Stang]

Same

[@andrewcb9255]

Luckily Michigan’s Adventure received a Camp Snoopy this year, which gives them Woodstock Express, their first coaster addition since 2008. Hopefully it’s a sign of things to come and Cedar Fair will build up to potentially a new coaster addition in the next decade.

[@Tacoaloto]

Some may disagree as its an in-park relocation of big dipper

[@andrewcb9255]

@@Tacoaloto I’ll take a relocation over a single new trash can each season any day

[@ThePhantomSafetyPin]

Wicked Twister is closing at Cedar Point. It's my sincere hope that it will get moved up here to MA. There's so much space in the park. It could really become a great asset for the area if they just made the access to it better. This park needs love, and the area could really make it a mark of pride too if they'd just develop that area a bit more.

[@stevenschiro1838]

Preparing for 'For those of you who are not aware, a block section is a......"

[@stevenschiro1838]

I was worried he wasn't going to say it, but luckily I was wrong

[@crowmigration8245]

Omg same. Cause this really doesn't have block zones unless you count the station

[@veronicacarter2376]

This was the first wooden coaster I went on and the first coaster I went on and actually enjoyed period. This beast sparked my coaster love🥰

[@matthenekk]

I rode this about ten years ago and remember it being pretty crazy, and it’s only 3 hours from Chicago! I’ve already put in about 12 days at Great America this year turning into a real enthusiast so I might have to make the trip!

[@Iridescent_Astraea]

Death Game: Take a shot every time Ryan says "Air Time". Thanks for looking at this one, I honestly completely forgot I ever visited Michigan's Adventure back in the 2000's as a kid, and this brough back so many memories.

[@destrious8133]

YES THIS JS MY HOME PARK! I used to play every year in band outside and go to shivering timbers immediately! It's my favorite

[@120Airman]

Dude, thank you so much for this love sent towards my home park, it really is needed

[@vanceholbrook8720]

My favorite wooden coaster of all time. Fantastic ride.

[@JackSassyPants]

THANK YOU!!! Michigan's Adventure is my home park and despite the park lacking... a lot this coaster is a world class airtime machine. I never noticed that the first drop had such an odd profile but I personally think that this ride is the quintessential out and back coaster in its purest form. I just wish we'd have a new coaster since they haven't given us one since 2008 with a used Vecoma SLC from a dead park. *sigh* one can dream I guess. Edit: oh wait you did mention Thunderhawk lol

[@colinwalker6282]

“If you take your seat belt off you will be ejected from Michigan’s Adventure” no pun intended.

[@JayFlowie]

I really hope it happens someday and someone gets ejected into the parking lot. Ya know, so long as it doesn't hurt the park more than it already is hurting.

[@jackknueve4645]

@@JayFlowie I hope you are joking

[@JayFlowie]

@@jackknueve4645 why would you hope that? If you're going to take your seat belt off on a roller coaster, that coaster has my blessing to ejector air time you out of the park, into the parking lot.

[@racingphotographer8251]

@@JayFlowie Good one! For all the hate B&M's get, if they are such weak rides with no "intensity" nor "airtime" let the haters ride Leviathan, Fury, or Orion without the clamshell restraints or seat belts... if the ride's as weak as they say, they'll be fine!

[@JayFlowie]

@@racingphotographer8251 honestly.... I rode Orion a few weeks ago in 3 different spots. It wasn't very exciting to me lol. I think it's a good ride, a smooth b&m. But honestly I wouldn't even say it was in my top 3 at kings island. Sorry dude.

[@fncz]

I totally agree!! I think one reason it "faded" was rough track, a few bouncy valleys, and shuffling. They seemed to have remedied that. It is a GREAT ride.

[@A.F.Whitepigeon]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how much effort ElToroRyan puts in to make these videos both accessible and incredibly detailed? Borderline-obssessively repeating every statistic in both metric and imperial, continuing to explain fairly basic stuff in each video in an effort to be welcoming to laymen and first-time viewers, and never coming off as pretentious or entitled even when making criticisms. All while providing the most thorough technical breakdowns out there for just about every coaster he reviews, going through each coaster element-by element (even when it's just airtime hill after airtime hill for the whole ride), and taking the time to research and explain the history and context behind every one of these rides and parks.

[@m.hreels9822]

😱😱😱 Who would’ve known this would be on El Toro Ryan’s top 15! I was thinking about checking out Michigan adventure when I last went to Michigan four years ago. Now I instantly regret not going because of this ride!

[@technicolortabby4239]

Yes! Love this vid and would love to see more forgotten/underrated coaster vids!

[@MCTubieisDead]

I’m so happy to see my home park get seen on KZbin, shivering timbers is my all time favorite

[@hurricanerae]

Glad to see some love for this fantastic coaster. Definitely the smoothest wooden roller coaster I've ever been on. If you like lots of air-time and a fast ride without the sudden jerking around allot of coasters can have, this is the coaster for you.

[@cake2791]

Me and my family have been going to this park nearly every year and FINALLY! Someone talks about it! FINALLY something I HAVE ridden. I absolutely love this coaster, it's so much fun every single time. Damn now I miss Michigan's Adventure, we never went last year and probably wont this year either. This has made my day LOL

[@stefanfenwick]

Love seeing you spotlight my home of Michigan and the park! Great video! And FJB!!!

[@penguifyer9919]

As someone who has ridden the ride nearly annually for about the last decade, it actually receives more trackwork and care than you'd expect. It's very common to see fresh wood and track on sizable portions of the layout each year. Because it's such a vital part of the park, it doesn't get neglected like other wooden coasters at some more popular parks. They probably haven't touched it since the pandemic which is why the wood looks worse than it really is. Also, from what I hear, Michigan's Adventure is one of Cedar Fair's most profitable parks which is probably why they never closed it (don't quote me though). It kinda makes sense since MA doesn't get a new multi-million dollar coaster every couple of years and still has a very consistent attendance. It still needs a new coaster or two just to put it back on the map, though.

[@DoswarePictures]

But even then they could use some touch ups. Like maybe entend the operating season. I find it strange that the park closes in early September even though Canada’s Wonderland is more northern than MA. Like, have a Halloween event or something.

[@her0me]

OMG, awesome vid. I used to go to Michigan's Adventure every summer with my family and wouldn't you know it, you guessed exactly what we used to do. We always stayed at a campground by the Silver Lake Sand Dunes and would spend several days there having fun at the beach and going on dune rides and such. Then, the highlight of the trip would be trekking over to Michigan's Adventure where we would spend the day riding rides and playing in the water park!

[@puccipower]

Those hills!

[@howenator]

I’ve been saying basically the exact same thing about Shivering Timbers and many other roller coasters (boss, zippin pippin, screamin eagle, renegade and arrow loopers) since 2019. You are definitely right about Cedar Fair buying it up to stop expansion, they have the capital to invest in it but would rather milk Michigan’s Adventure for easy profit because it is basically the only theme park in Michigan. If ferries were cheaper and I found a somewhat safe bike route, I would take a boat over to Michigan’s Adventure every couple of months. I think if I knew how to sail an reasonably large boat to Muskegon, that would be my best option to travel there until maybe an extra coaster or two would motivate me to just drive there instead.

[@dominicjannazo7144]

I was just riding this a couple weeks ago. Best ride at the park, and surprisingly not-that-rough as the very straight layout removes a ton of the jostling that most wooden coasters have, even at 20+ years old. Also you don't have to wait in line for hours at Michigan's Adventure because it's not as popular, which improves ride experiences dramatically. Edits: - The staff do not seem to be as trained or efficient as other Cedar Fair parks I have been too, but that accident is pretty embarrassing. - The Sleeping Bear Dunes also exist in Michigan a few hours away, the whole west coast of the state has dunes. - While Cedar Fair didn't save Geagua Lake, it was already a failing park with plummeting attendance BEFORE they bought it so they hardly can be said to have killed it on purpose (bad attendance still probably caused by its proximity to Cedar Point though)

[@DoswarePictures]

Just make sure you can climb back up the dunes. And bring a pair of glasses in case it’s windy. I learned the latter the hard way.

[@dominicjannazo7144]

@@DoswarePictures DuneHack: Run down a big lakeside dune then walk down the beach to somewhere a friend can pick you up. Works especially well at the 400-ft dune on Pierce Stocking Drive in the national park, walk down the beach to North Bar Lake and laugh at the people who are taking a literal hour to climb back up.

[@DoswarePictures]

@@dominicjannazo7144 I’m probably not gonna go back anytime soon because of the experience I had. I had to close my eyes.

[@samanthaleann]

Was once at Michigan Adventure with friends and Shivering Timbers was down. We happened to walk back past it right as it was reopening and got to ride it 3 times before most people realized it was reopened.

[@legendbaon8752]

Oh and by the way, going to Michigan’s Adventure on 4th of July. Kinda excited

[@koalakyle19]

let me know if they've fixed it yet

[@NickyD]

@@koalakyle19 it wont be for a month or more

[@crooked-halo]

Shivering Timbers is one of the greatest wood coasters in existence! The only problems with this marvelous video is the ending helix goes left, but slams right (not slams left like stated in the video), and the focus on this coaster being "glass smooth." It is NOT "glass smooth," but a wooden coaster isn't supposed to be, (like El Toro when it was new). Roughness is to be expected and appreciated with a wood coaster, unless it's severe and due to maintenance neglect. I also take issue comparing a wood coaster with steel coasters. They're two completely separate categories! Shivering Timbers is one of the most powerful wood coasters in the world. The airtime is incredible, as described so well in this video. I believe the lack of attention has to do with it's out-of-the-way location in Michigan, many coaster hobbyists aren't willing to go that far out of the way, especially for a park that's deemed not-so-great. I don't give a damn about a park, I'm a coaster hobbyist and focus mainly on the particular roller coaster. So I'll go far out of my way for a wood coaster regardless of the opinions of the park. Thanks for such a marvelous video!

[@astralhitchhiker12]

So many memories 💞 I marathonned this thing when it was still new (and still had the trick track) but hadn't been back for aaages until 2019 when I marathonned it again... it definitely feels rougher (or maybe I'm just getting older!) But it sure still feels FAST!

[@sethmoyer]

18:26 oh thank goodness, I was getting a little worried there for a bit.

[@jmuench420]

Cedar Fair has resided Michigan's Adventure to a family park to draw on the considerable number of tourists who visit various points on the Lake Michigan shore. The water park there is actually quite good and I do agree that the park could be more of destination in itself if they put in the money. I miss that trick track on Shivering Timbers btw, I never knew that's what that element was called.

[@elivernagus8461]

I love this ride. Thank u for giving it the publicity it deserves

[@dondavenport7077]

Thank you very much for featuring this coaster! I remember seeing it featured in a History Channel show on coasters when it was new (I think it was Modern Marvels), but I couldn't remember what park it was for.

[@OklahomaCoasterFan]

This is easily my favorite CCI, no contest. Yeah, I said it! I'm happy to see you giving it some love.

[@lauraelliott6909]

I grew up not far from this park. It was frequently a school field trip destination. But that was before Shivering Timbers was built. We had the Corkscrew and then the Wolverine Wildcat, but it was essentially a kiddie park. I even remember when the park was called Deer Park Funland.

[@Paolo8772]

I'm so glad you're mentioning this coaster. The closest wooden coaster I'd think to compare it to off the top of my head would be Ghostrider rather than The Voyage, even if Ghostrider only has a 75 second duration. The closest ride duration of a wooden coaster to Shivering Timbers would be T- Express (at about 90 seconds) and The Voyage (at about 100 seconds) from drop to break run, whereas Shivering Timbers has a duration of about 95 seconds. Shivering Timbers stands at a height of 122'. However: The reason the 1st coaster I'd think to compare Shivering Timbers to would have to be Ghostrider is because Ghostrider has a 118' drop, which is closer to the drop Shivering Timbers has. Shivering Timbers is an amazing coaster considering it imitates a B&M hyper with drops with 2-3 times the size of Shivering Timbers's drop. Shivering Timbers may have a height of 122' but the truth of the matter is... ...(wait for it...) SHIVERING TIMBERS HAS A DROP OF MERELY 107'! That makes it more efficient than even you thought it was, especially considering that 107' drop yields a total track length of 5383'; which is 103' over one mile. My Aunt lives in An Arbour so it's more likely I'd visit Cedar Point than Michigan's Adventure, (which is exactly what I did in late May 2018) but I'd have to agree: Shivering Timbers is the most underrated wooden coaster in the U.S.A., but I'd definitely consider it a bucket list coaster. Thanks for posting this, Great video! I'm looking forward to footage of you and your friends there reacting yo their 1st impressions of Shivering Timbers.

[@TheChoosh]

I just discovered your channel earlier this week and have been binging. Love that you're releasing fresh content! Thank you!

[@MillenniumForceMan]

Lol I feel like it crashed only so that Ryan had an excuse to talk about block zones in this vid

[@kagome122885]

I used to be scared of roller coasters after riding Wolverine Wildcat back in the early 90s. That all changed on June 6 of 2000, when my mom and I went to Michigan's Adventure for my 7th grade end of year trip. I first rode Big Dipper then Mad Mouse, and then Wolverine Wildcat. I was very nervous when getting on Shivering Timbers due to its 53 degree first drop. After riding it, I was hooked on roller coasters!

[@jrand2148]

Thank you thank you thank you for talking about my home park's crown jewel!

[@Coaster_Focus]

I went to Michigan’s Adventure on opening day this year for the first time, and Thunderhawk and Shivering Timbers were closed. I did not enjoy my time, but after seeing this video, I’m convinced I need to go back in late July. Another awesome video btw

[@rodneyp9590]

I’m from the area and you’re right the sand dunes do bring in tons of tourists, usually a bit further north. I’m sure a better park would grab northern Michigan tourists but I’m not convinced it would grab enough. People typically vacation here to get closer to nature. Hunters hikers and campers mostly. I wish the park would see improvements, I just don’t see it happening unless cedarfair sells.

[@NMAfreak]

Last day I was there, I got 21 rides in. I even got my dad on it who was in his 70s at the time and he was HOWLING which made me laugh and enjoy it even more. But I could literally get off and walk back up the entrance for about a 5 minute wait. FANTASTIC as it is definitely in my top 10.

[@legendbaon8752]

I really enjoyed this park when I went. No head banging on Thunderhawk and Corkscrew, no long lines, and Shivering Timber’s is insane. So many pops of airtime over and over. It was so insane we broke it after my first and only ride of the day on it :(

[@glennpittsley1895]

As simple and short as corkscrew is, it's a hella fun ride iirc

[@dkraus15]

Dude I'm so glad you made this video when you did. I was thinking about making a trip up there in a few days when I don't have work. It may have to wait a bit to give it time to recover from the collision but I will definitely be going there to ride shivering timbers soon!

[@amusementscape]

This video is gonna give them an attendance boost from Thoosies

[@jamesyoder11]

You found my #3 woodie! It's been criminally underrated for a long time, as is only eclipsed by the Voyage (#1 woodie) and El Toro (#2 woodie). Enjoy it, Corkscrew, Thunderhawk, and one of the best waterparks in the country (3 wave pools!).

[@meef1610]

Thank You !

[@TheTonyMcD]

I love Shivering Timbers! I've ridden that coaster far more than any other. I went to Michigan's Adventure every summer as a kid, and there was never more than a fifteen twenty minute wait. Most of the time, of be able to walk up the que and get right on. I'd ridden that thing probably four or five hundred times.