Elusive Glitches: The Case of the Fire Sanctuary Bird Statue in Skyward Sword

[@nebulous9280]

So at the end you SOMEHOW got the Sandship boss key, which SOMEHOW opened the Boss Door to Fire Sanctuary anyway but SOMEHOW the loading zone failed to spawn, so Link jumped off of the map to his doom. God I love game development.

[@moth.monster]

and of course it's the Sandship boss key

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

just the games way of saying nope can't skip the sandship boss key this time try again later

[@freedomroses]

It just works

[@badlydrawnturtle8484]

That ending bit seems to be more evidence that the Sandship was the first dungeon worked on, if the Sandship's boss key is the default when opening a boss key chest.

[@CatShapedDonut]

Makes sense

[@ciarangale4738]

i presume the weird layering is further evidence?

[@PointCrow]

i like this video

[@mazinosman1142]

Me too

[@Swirrenttv]

first reply??

[@nicost-pierre2806]

do you now?

[@aaa34953]

yooo

[@-Quix]

i like this video

[@Blu_Laguna]

Now we know where the octo boss key chest loads to from the last video. The mystery is solved.

[@eeveeman5659]

Blu-Laguna So now all that needs to be done is to figure how to either BiT or wrong warp to the inner map of the fire sanctuary from the sand ship, grab the key, and warp back to the sand ship and the sand ship boss key skip will be solved *kappa*

[@Blu_Laguna]

@@eeveeman5659 we need to get back to the lab ASAP

[@CatShapedDonut]

@@Blu_Laguna lol

[@jaydentt]

correct

[@AllUsernamesTaken]

This game would be cracked wide open if we figured out how to move Link during the Bird Statue dialogue. I can't even imagine how much of the game could be skipped.

[@EoroX]

Is it possible to take damage the same frame as interacting with the statue to knock link back into the right bit warp zone? I forget if items are available during back in time...

[@samsonfgc3472]

it would be hilarious if the method to do so was something incredibly stupid and arbitrary and was also pointless. Like needing to die during the demise fight and somehow that magically changes something. I don't remember if you can even access a bird statue at that point in the game, but still.

[@lpfan4491]

actually,that would not exactly be pointless. we could use a cleared file to manipulate the speedrunfile then

[@AllUsernamesTaken]

@@EoroX I don't think you have any items in BIT, and there are no enemies on the map

[@RSmeep13]

basically paper mario save block storage then?

[@Riku70X]

8:36 The game is just taunting you at this point. Imagine spending hours trying to find a way to get the early boss key in sandship, giving up and deciding to play around in fire sanctuary for a bit only to have the game go "oh you wanted this? Here you go lol"

[@TaranVH]

another suspiciously well edited video

[@gymnast86]

Another suspiciously well placed comment

[@nickoates]

hello taran, it's me, two years after you posted this comment.

[@BigIcedCoffee]

@@nickoates hello nicholas, its me, four months after you posted this comment

[@moonlightfalls7805]

@@BigIcedCoffee hello bigeced, it has been 6 days since you posted this comment

[@NextZ_]

@@moonlightfalls7805 Hello Lucas, it has been 3 weeks since you posted this comment

[@TheShadowprince]

Have you tried pressing the jump button harder? *kappa*

[@Deadshot901]

Just full hop 4Head

[@PizzaHeister]

"An A press is an A press, you can’t say it’s only a half!"

[@yasserarguelles6117]

@@PizzaHeister TJ """Henry"""

[@ZappBranniglenn]

After watching Link fall through the floor after using the wrong boss key on the boss door, I'm willing to be there's at least one more Almost! But Not Quite! solution waiting in the wings

[@metrafish]

it's my favorite boss key, the one in fire sanctuary.. SQUID CARVING!

[@lpfan4491]

we found the west clocktown birdstatue in skyward swords,nice

[@lykillcorreli6740]

well, sorta. they seem less broken, and it was mentioned that there were more than one such out of bounds bird statue. That, and by the looks of it, the Hidden Owl Statue isn't a Wrong Warp like this is, since you're still warping to proper warp points (other Owl Statues) that you could've warped to anyways if you were far enough into the game, while you could never warp to a boss room like the Bird Statue here.

[@lpfan4491]

well,i mean,you can still crash the game with the owlstatue. that is not exactly normal

[@Sypaka]

my theory is, the uninitialized statues pull their target value from RAM as any other statue, but that part of RAM is filled with something else and not a "teleport struct of fixed lenght", so it's target is set to a nonexistent node or map - hence the crash. The question is now, how do we fill that area with valid data?

[@samenault2171]

Love these kind of videos! Speedrun videos are usually very informative but it's also nice to see videos like these because it's more in depth.

[@brig.badger2896]

I know a lot about running OOT and MM but not much about Skyward Sword, so this is pretty cool. 5:47 ok that’s awesome

[@mitchk2581]

HOW is it possible that a fall out of bounds trumps movement in a cutscene? It's like Nintendo made this game to house glitches that don't work in runs.

[@Arcadapapaya]

These glitches are so weird, and I hope you do WAY more of these kinds of videos, whether you are talking about mysterious glitches or just explaining some more common ones like bitwarping.

[@Lucrecious]

I hope you keep making these! They're super interesting and entertaining. Keep doing what you do.

[@camwoodstock]

Please continue making these Skyward Sword videos! These are really interesting and I feel like SS is so neglected as a speedgame/glitch hunt, and as someone who likes it, I'm glad to see it get its day in the limelight!

[@Aernoth1]

The whole "extra statue" thing reminds me of index warping from MM

[@Terrahex1]

got recommended to these two videos and I love them. Not too into watching speed runs, but I love seeing the way games are exploited by speedrunners. Please make more!

[@GracefulValley]

Came here from PointCrow's stream last night. He somehow managed to do this skip in BOTW which had been modded to include the Fire Sanctuary dungeon. Would be funny if that skip works in the actual game. Regardless, this video was super interesting!

[@pinkbichnamedbreakfast6510]

I LOVE THESE VIDEOS SO MUCH! glitches are so interesting to me and speedrunning glitches? Even better!! Add zelda to the mix and this is my favorite thing ever

[@almogz9486]

he solved it ! what he needed to do is go to a house sleep at night go to the gratitude crystal demons tombstone activate it and load the file it warps him right in the temple

[@loreleihillard5078]

That's for entering the Earth Temple, not skipping the Fire Sanctuary key

[@sammygorilla8688]

So I did some glitches and I got the fire scantuary boss key in sandship.Fell through a void opening the boss door. The Devs were prepared!!!

[@aIkaIi]

I don't even do speedruns but these videos are so entertaining.

[@noone6991]

Bitwarping to the boss crashes paper mar- I mean skyward sword

[@Kzar5678]

Loving the series! I haven't really followed SS speedruns since like 2013 or so, so it's cool to see these little oddities explained

[@Mushroomhead671]

3:37 huh. Reminds me of Majora’s Mask’s misplaced bird statue

[@erinexplosives]

So this is what you meant by the Sandship BK being in Fire Sanctuary, I was honestly kinda lost when you talked about it Why does a copy of that room event exist on that map let alone have the wrong goddamn key in it

[@landmine36]

two likely scenarios are, 1, the chest just exists, and when open the game loads a random/expected piece of data, mistakenly pulls sandship key, or second, possible both dungeons were being worked on at the same time, and a key had been placed there to begin with, but was over wrote as the sandship key, and in the final build of the dungeon where the chest is spose to exist, that one is set correctly. and the other one got left alone, since they never expected anyone to reach it anyways. My theory anyways.

[@Gulyus]

Because he entered a room from the wrong map. The door he opened was on the outer map...but he was in the inner map's version of it (the version you see from the inner map). So the game pulled random data that it was expecting to find (IE the position of the chest through that particular loading zone) but due to being the wrong place for the loading zone, ended up pulling junk data that gave the wrong item. The final door also was on the inner map's version of the outer so it never actually was designed to have collision / a load zone so you fall.

[@jjkb11]

This is a great video! I love how in-depth you are about explaining everything. Keep up the good work!

[@moth.monster]

I feel like they purposefully made that gap JUST too far to jump.

[@icecreamjunkie6790]

eri they probably did

[@Ignatiusmckay]

if you came here from point crow you don't need to skip any of the video as most of it is talking about it

[@nerdyursus4689]

Id love to see a lot more of these videos. They are super interesting to me and not to mention i love your voice for a voice over. Keep doing these informative videos!

[@rubymiller3320]

I love these videos, Gym! Very interesting to listen to and I thoroughly enjoy learning about glitches in some of my favorite games. Keep it up!

[@TheAngryGamer360]

I'll keep on watching these videos for as long as you'll keep making them.

[@No-Me3]

These vids are amazing, Gym. So well done. Keep it up!

[@Gynophi]

This is so calming to watch! Keep it going Gym!

[@funnyfreak4]

Awesome video! Stumbled across this after watching the video on the sand ship key. Really like this type of content :)

[@MerynMTG]

These kinds of videos are so awesome and interesting to watch

[@williamhart6551]

I love whenever gym posts one of these skyward sword theory videos

[@Transgenic86]

Fantastic video, as always. :-D I find it interesting that a slight boost in height is not possible to make that jump. These videos definitely pique my interest in speedrunning these games.

[@benjaminnewell5214]

love this new style of video keep it up gym!

[@davisvanhalen8717]

These videos are amazing Gym!!!!! Thank you for your voice as always ;) xxxxxxxx

[@savanchandul7451]

You're doing great with these videos! It's a bit of a shame, but hopefully these videos also inspire people do some glitch hunting to expand on this video

[@Memo-yh4nc]

I love these types of videos. Also, if you could somehow sequence break to get to fire sanctuary before Sandship and got the Sandship boss key from fire sanctuary, you could theortically go back and skip getting the actual boss key. That could be interesting for a potential all dungeons skyward sword category in the future. This also raises a question though, why is this bird statue the only one in the game where you can go from a dungeon striaght to the sky before leaving. Pretty weird. Looking forward to more of these.

[@lavaplume8792]

Excellent video again, really enjoying these!

[@aceakin4523]

Loving these types of vids gym!

[@TheUltraSonicKid]

Man, these are like summoningsalt videos, I like these

[@justryland]

Loving these new vids! I had no idea you were such a talented video editor!!

[@Paul2701P]

tbh i had 0 interest in Skyward Sword before but these videos are insanely entertaining! Keep up the great work gymnast

[@PuppetMasterIX]

I was trying so hard to prepare myself for anything that the ending was potentially building up to. I still wasn't ready.

[@WolfPad]

These are amazing man, so interesting to see these potential skips.

[@Dryon1196]

Love this kind of vids, even though it's frustrating to see how close the situations are to be ideal. Makes me want to boot the game and try crossing that damn gap !

[@moodragonx2]

This was an awesome explanation, great video :D

[@wighttigers4]

These glitch videos are pretty good Subbed

[@dialtenhof]

came from pointcrow, I don't know how I missed this vid before but I feel so big-brained now 🥺💖

[@proxy1035]

i really love technical videos about games especially older 8 or 16 bit games. but these are just as interesting

[@Chrischi3TutorialLPs]

So, if it were somehow possible to do Fire Sanctuary first, then grab the Sandship Boss key in the inner map, do the Fire Sanctuary, then return to the Sandship with the key already in hand, would that save any time?

[@Sifeus]

This is a great video! Love these.

[@Flinxmin]

So that's where the Sandship key went!

[@oscartonrouge]

these videos are really great, keep it up!

[@theversatilehunter3651]

This is... An extraordinarily niche topic... But I love it...

[@alexthebomber]

Half the videos of your I stumble upon just give me glitching blue balls

[@noisepollution4473]

These videos are fantastic

[@icecreamjunkie6790]

Link: gets boss key and opens the door The door: *The Trickster*

[@ryla22]

Have you tried using a bomb to extend your jump? It might make it just enough to get over that gap

[@marshmellowpops]

Thank you for making these vids!😍

[@ryuken10]

Seems the only way to get across from the pillar is to either: 1) be elevated slightly higher (by standing on a bomb, perhaps?) 2) find/setup a clawshottable object (maybe the inner map has weird properties that can be exploited) 3) get boosted across via damage or an item of some sort (don't remember if items can be used while jumping). Just thinking aloud here.

[@andyghkfilm2287]

I'd think the best solution was the bitwarping thing. Theoretically if you could somehow enable movement while in a bird statue, through like "statue storage" or something (like chest storage in Wind Waker), all you'd have to do is move to the spot in question and warp to the out of reach collision. Or, if there were a way to trigger a statue from a slight distance further than it's seemingly possible to. I wonder if you could like place a bomb and have it knock you back from the statue after you've activated it, into the area you'd need to be, or something. Or if there's a way to store the "talking to the bird statue" menu to use anywhere.

[@azer67]

@@andyghkfilm2287 If you could walk around with the owl statue save option on screen, Skyward Sword would actually be completely destroyed, because it would allow for BitWarping with any coordinate you want. You would be able to enter Fire Sanctuary and get the Master Sword as soon as you gain access to Eldin. You would be able to do BiTWarps in Skykeep to avoid all of the bow switches, which would lead to skipping all of Sand Sea, saving at least an hour, probably closer to 2h to be honest. If only :(

[@cyberkaito4359]

great video, we like it

[@YourAverageLink]

6:02 Link's having a rough day

[@pricecoffin]

i tend to enjoy this content

[@thatguyknownaswill8180]

I performed the wrong warp accidentally at the beginning of my Zelda binge this year when I wanted to see what would happen if I sequence broke that game. For example, theres an inactive gate of time in the temple of time if you use a levitate code to get there, tho you can’t activate it

[@bubhoward8642]

I love this series

[@zarnox3071]

For some reason, I doubt that 300x speed...

[@gymnast86]

Yeah it was 300%, not 300x

[@travisgonzales9893]

Cool video!

[@frenzy0640]

This kind of reminds me of the West clock town extra bird statue in MM

[@Missfantasy]

Nice vid!

[@Framb]

9:18 speaks to me on a personal level

[@angeldude101]

Checked the list and noticed a † next the Hylia's Realm / Behind the Temple Door wrong warp. "† - *Link's sound set will change into a **_Bokoblin's,_* no events will trigger, & actors will be missing." I'm gonna need some evidence for _that._

[@gratedshtick]

Looking back at videos like this after seeing Skyward Sword being blown open through RBM, it gives a weird feeling.

[@alexstewart9592]

Ok, is that ACTUALLY the Sandship key, or is the game just loading the wrong assets and still giving you the key for the Fire Sanctuary, and if it IS the Sandship key, would there be any potential way for you to take it over to the actual sandship and skip having to run through most of the Sandship if you could actually obtain it?

[@Mmmeeee4]

That would be interesting to see...

[@judgemastertim93]

Is it possible to do a sort of bomb jump off the broken pillar (if there is even bomb jumping in this game) to cross the gap? If you could extend by just a bit I feel you could definitely make that jump.

[@azer67]

Sadly, there is no bomb boosting technique in Skyward Sword. Getting hit by a bomb sends you down.

[@lpfan4491]

it kinda sucks that some games work like that

[@cillianmartin1642]

Point crow sent me

[@tovarischkrasnyjeshi]

Majora's Mask is sitting in the corner, laughing at how easy it would be if you just dropped a bomb and turned to zora.

[@Jusbale]

At the end Link realises how confusing this is and kills himself

[@darkshock42mlg05]

Gets wrong key but instantly fits the lock and falls out of bounds when entering the door.

[@trentthen642]

Ohh this reminds me of that one glitch in Majora's mask with the secret owl statue.

[@CaseyEm]

The mogma mitts are no longer needed. But the boss key still is.

[@robinstuart7022]

Wait, I need to test this on my Wii, but is it possible to damage boost yourself with a bomb during your jumpslash to get across the fence, or is their an invisible wall higher up than anticipated? I'm going to see if I can test this myself, but is that a viable possibility? Have we tried that yet?

[@randomwolfboi7866]

Pretty sure the bomb would fall off the platform Also link doesn't fly that far, unlike botw

[@theendofit]

Everyone: Nintendo could you remove these glitches. Speedrunners: Nintendo could you put in more glitches this game does not have enough.

[@EdenElectorate]

More gymnast less go

[@NopeNoJoke]

This thumbnail is epic

[@supershinystar5515]

So it’s like the forbidden owl statue in majoras mask?

[@theleftfootedsultan]

So basically, if a jump exploit was found, like TP’s Boomerang LJA, a colossal amount of time would be saved

[@DivineLight661]

No one: KZbin: Never been interested in skyward sword ay? Have some interesting content.

[@MilkLover-fd2fq]

Saying hi from the murder

[@Nimta]

The one solution to this I can think of is: Is it possible to backflip and access the bird statue for a BiTwarp on the same frame, sending you backwards and saving with the correct out of bounds coordinates? Or does accessing the bird statue pause physics calculations?

[@austinwestbrook3091]

Of course I read the description gym ;)

[@whobeme10]

This is a great video!! Your voice is nice

[@JazzyWaffles]

Can bombs knock you back during bird dialogue, or at least in the same frame as starting bird dialogue? And, if so, can a bomb knock you back into the required OOB BIT area?

[@NotTheRealURL]

I personally don't know much about this game, however i'd like to throw in a theory based on pure speculation into how this might work; Could it be possible to use the Extended Blow but hit some form of curved or slanted collision (or possibly a flat wall and have the momentum continue left or right while removing the forward momentum) in a way that would change your direction away from the initial force forward towards the origin and bring you closer to the gap? Maybe not going strait over the gap but landing somewhere that would allow you to scale round over it.

[@HalfJaise]

While a good idea, It's unlikely to work. Extended blow is always going to send Link to the origin and straight at the origin. Even if you were to somehow shift the angle, Link would most likely still be forced to the origin.

[@NotTheRealURL]

@@HalfJaise That is what I expected, seeing how it works and the fact it's trying to target a specific entity, not only going towards it but attempting to make sure it lands on it, but in that case, maybe somehow cancelling the Extended Blow could help with this? Keep the momentum but removing the targeted position. I don't believe this would be possible, but maybe if in this game you could equip something or change state in some way (as i say, don't know much on this game so I don't know the possibilities), if there's anything like this it might be worth looking in to. Cancelling something with momentum can lead to a lot of other possibilities for stuff.

[@HalfJaise]

@@NotTheRealURL A while ago I mistakenly reloaded an area with cheats while doing extended blow, which then made me load that area with all my speed from the extended blow. And it didn't look like that speed was tied to the origin point, it was just too fast for me to control. But this is the only instance where I can think of cancelling the forced direction of the origin point and going elsewhere.

[@NotTheRealURL]

@@HalfJaise What happens if you Extend Blow into a loading zone? Does it keep the speed from the previous area?