Emil Cioran about his nihilist friend

Philosopher Emil Cioran talking about Craciunel, biggst nihilist he ever met.

[@777tycho]

That year in Brasow, i often saw a guy who was, the bigger nihilist i ever met. His name was Craciunel. Cracuniel was from Brasov. He attended theology. Naturally. He believed in nothing. Complete nihilist. He told me...that regardless, he decided to be assigned a parish. And to get married. An hour before going to church...he realized it's an absurdity. That he doesn't want marriage, he believes in nothing, etc. And he vanished. Everyone was at church, waiting. He Vanished. He hid for a month. I saw him often in Bucharest, in cafes. He was friends with Tutea. He truly is the greatest nihilist i met in my life. I especially remember a discussion i had with him for a whole night in Brasov. We spent the whole night debating the human existence on earth. At 6 o'clock, when i went home, i felt that in that long discussions we destroyed any kind of justification for human existence on earth.

[@zoehardee8636]

romanian is fascinating it's like slav spanish

[@ebob4177]

Lol. Dang, I forgot it's actually a Romance language.

[@NicoAssaf]

Rad

[@Wardoon]

Is he speaking in Romanian?

[@h0stI13]

He's not pronouncing the 'r' properly, maybe because he spent so much time in France and got used to the French 'r' sound. Kids in Romania are usually sent to speech therapists to correct this as it's considered a speech impediment.

[@funkXCIV]

@@Wardoon He is, yes.

[@zenith50000]

Nihilism a big slap on all ideologies

[@Cynicland]

Contrary to common opinion, Cioran is NOT a depressing company, on the contrary, his writings are an explosion, like Nietzsche, Cioran too was a "dynamite". He inserted poetry in prose. I made a book review on his first work, On The Heights of Despair. I propose the idea that this is NOT a depressing book, but rather a serenade to life. I will soon post a clip in which I will explain his concept of suicide as a way to protect his freedom. And I also talk, in the end, about how Cioran helped me with my suicidal thoughts. It is because of him that I am still alive today. We're talking about a writer who fell in love when he was 75 years old (Friedgard Thoma, 35 years at that time), a writer who loved life and regreted not being a musician, nor, at least, as he rather puts it in his journal/notebooks (1957-1972), a poet. "Eternal poetry without words" (Cioran) For those of you interested, here's the clip: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ionTl5SwpNWkeLM

[@tenno1981]

Cioran is like an exquisite set of spices and herbs that can give a flavour to life. Not sure if his works alone are able to profoundly change someone's life, but in my case, a sad "square" with philosophical /scientific (methodology of science to be more exact) background it was through thinkers like Cioran, Alan Watts, Zizek, Carl Gustav Jung, James Hillman etc, that I found the way. I am not bored anymore and maybe a little bit less borin person now. Got some interest in music, art, literature. Even poetry. And last but not least: religion! Cioran is the grand Master. I am excticed that I have found your channel and that I see some life in the comments section. Salute to all of you, comrades in misery! My armless brothers (and sisters) in arms! :)

[@Sepazuzu]

FiniteAutomaton interesting, I still like Nietzsche ideas tho, truly a great philosopher, but a bit optimistic

[@sosaysthelegend]

Cioran is XADDI

[@low3242]

"Cioran is not depressing" only a delusional man could say this. His aphorisms are "funny XDDD" at first but if you start applying them onto your life then they become a butcher's strike, you suddenly find yourself outside of life and there's no going back. His truths only click when you're in utter despair and Cioran wasn't writing for writing's sake but truly went through all of that. This 21st century trend of finding "positive" angle in everything is grotesquely sickening and you should be ashamed for trying to make Cioran sound like a self-help guru. He was miserable and he just translated his misery, there's no redemption in his words, only an account of a tormented existence.

[@suttree3233]

The truest nihilist of them all: he who accepts with simplicity everything that befalls him.

[@szczesciejestkoloruczarneg749]

a little bit of *wu wei*

[@Martin_Roos]

This is the contrary of nihilism : Surrender to Reality (God, Truth).

[@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060]

​@@Martin_Roos needing to believe in some abstract fantastical view that negates this world is its own form of nihilism in a Nietzschean sense.

[@Martin_Roos]

@@tangerinesarebetterthanora7060 Meaning is not nothing, it is everything. Meaning is not abstract, it is holistic, and transfigurates our whole being.

[@thalesalmeida1090]

Isso está mais para o estoicismo

[@Wardoon]

He speaks fondly of nihilism and his nihilistic friend. I love and enjoy nihilism albeit, positive because of Cioran.

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

His friend had a "diamond bullet" moment

[@GustavoAlves-ib9fo]

is that a reference from Kurtz's quote?

[@wilhelmhesse1348]

@@GustavoAlves-ib9fo yes, exactly.

[@TheFinntronaut]

_"I especially remember a discussion I had with him for a whole night in Brasov. We parted at six in the morning and I got the feeling that everything along with him, but him especially - everything that can justify existence - I tore him apart completely."_ Can somebody who understands Romanian translate the second sentence above? It seems as if the translation in the video doesn't make sense (or maybe just the thought-process of Cioran was glitching and causing these disconnected sentences).

[@C_C_C1]

Yes, they spent the whole night debating the human existence on earth. At 6 o'clock, when they went home, he felt that in that long discussions they destroyed any kind of justification for human existence on earth. Bear in mind that in those days Cioran had a big appetite for alcohol.

[@TheFinntronaut]

@@C_C_C1 Hahaha - thank you!

[@buddy.boyo88]

yes the sentence is whack in romanian too. i guess he's bragging about blackpilling the other guy with his alpha male intellect and dominating him.

[@Harmonie-wn5qr]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@agvb5749]

​@@buddy.boyo88 no, he was impressed by the other guy's nihilism. He sounds like he had found even a bigger nihilist than him.

[@lohkoonhoong6957]

He was proud to tear a nihilist apart; it takes another nihilist to do that.

[@unlightofficial8571]

The translation is not correct. What he said is that in their discussion they tore apart all justification for human existence on earth.

[@Siss2012]

He is hilarious, and I love the sound of the Romanian language!

[@internationalefilism3194]

Brilliant interview

[@user-ce8ds7dm9r]

Brilliant,,,,at the end of the day Emile Choran reigns supreme ❤

[@Bilboswaggins2077]

Lmao for someone so deep in pessimism cioran is hilarious

[@NicoAssaf]

Colorant lol

[@fuckingwierdo6642]

colorant? that's a new writer!?

[@lohkoonhoong6957]

Cioran is the ideal writer for the masochistic reader, the one who enjoys reading and admiring Cioran's monumental murkiness.

[@outroutono4937]

nihilism is when Cioran says 'she' and equals he

[@conde_bathory]

AFAIK "shi" means "and" in Romanian.

[@outroutono4937]

@@conde_bathory heyy nice to know ;) i didnt know that i messed up my logic trying to figure it out the subtitles haha

[@conde_bathory]

@@outroutono4937 No problem :)

[@yohan6973]

The person he was talking about is his other self

[@Chuchito99]

Increíble

[@ns-ts1jz]

Whats the music at the end i really like it

[@orzacioan21]

it's a soundtrack from a series of ducumentarie about him

[@Ioana3311]

It's romanian traditional music

[@buddy.boyo88]

so the guy ran away from church because of absurdity ? so he did value honesty ! otherwise he would have done it for money anyway. he was more ethical than non-nihilists

[@stackk.113]

Maybe he wanted to save his personal freedom.

[@alflepore]

😄 funny

[@NicolasSchaII]

The internet makes everyone think they have a background in philosophy. There are many arguments against pessimism or nihilism. The arrogance of nihilists, thinking they are able to explain basically everything & having figured it out is wild af. Although nihilism claims to be the objective truth, it still is a subjective view of subjective people. We have very limited knowledge of the universe and existence. In fact, we can't even say if there is a objective meaning or not. Again its arrogant to think we learned everything there is to life and the universe. To give an example outside of the usualy Camus-storys, Albert Einstein thought there seems to be order in the universe and something or someone must have created the laws of nature. We saw the advancements of technology so ffs don't fool yourself to believe we habe figured anything out. Then, there is the logical point that one cannot reduce something as complex and subjective like the human existence to some rational factors and numbers. Emotional experiences, individualism and the different kinds of meaning a person can create for themselves and others cannot be explained away that easily. Depression and other mental illnesses are closely related to pessimistic and nihilistic thinking. Sadly people can't accept the fact that their brain might be dysfunctional and that their thought aren't „the truth!!1!!“ but some seriously depressing bs. They are deeply disconnectet from society and their fellow human beings. Also, it should be obvious how destructive this philosophy is. Like Dostojewski and Nietzsche saw it coming, moral nihilism will bring suffering and unimaginable destruction to humanity and the world. Society must overcome this poison, especially the youth gets robbed so much by it. Don't go down this path and waste your life, the „truth“ you're delusional about ruins you. It is deeply flawed and very destructive. In serious philosophy it isn't even taken seriously. And also is it very close to the incel-community soooo…

[@C_C_C1]

I agree with some point, but the arrogance of nihilists is nothing compared with arrogance of religious or "spiritual" people. I'm not sure yet wich camp you're shooting from, but you tried to destroy the utility of nihilism into today's world. I'm not one, but many people with mental issues or behaviour issues found a cure embracing nihilism. Cioran explained many times that exactly that feeling helped him to avoid suicidal thoughts. It's an arrogance from your part to suggest that mental health issues could be helped only through avoiding nihilism. In contrary, I've met many people who became much calmer once they embraced nihilism. Could you belive that many people blamed Cioran that he didn't killed himself? Exactly through nihilism he could calm down and treat life in a jokingly manner. Maybe that's what saved him.

[@NicolasSchaII]

@@C_C_C1 first of all, thanks for your comment. I surely agree with you that there are certain groups that act extremly arrogant as well, yet in recent time I found tons of overly confident and arrogant points of views from (I‘d argue pretty young) people on many different social media platforms. Thats my opinion yes, but we know that nihilism is on the rise in youth and has been linked many times with despair and the loss of orientation. I am happy that this way of thinking has helped you, and I am sure there are more people that would agree. But sadly I think this is more like a rarity, for most it will be harmfull and might drive them into a existential crisis. I did not mean to disrespect you or anyone else, but what I have learned (put way too much time into this topic) is that nihilism can be a very dangerous path. I agree with you that it is certainly possible to use it as a form of freedom, but I think there are much, much better alternatives to this. Personally I am not religious but I don't criticize anyone who is, I think thats valid point of view to believe in a creator of the universe