Emo and TikTok Cringe (omg please no)

[@NeverNormal]

00:00 Intro 01:03 Cringe Emo Tiktok 06:08 Johnnie Guilbert 08:03 TX2 10:42 Embrace the cringe 14:20 Modern Punk and Tiktok 16:23 Let's Blame MGK 18:29 Can Tiktok Help Emo?

[@JohnnieGuilbert]

Thanks for checking out my song and being chill appreciate it.

[@NeverNormal]

No problem! If there's any community that shouldn't gatekeep its emo/punk etc. Thanks for watching!

[@beanlover3000]

OMFG JOHNNIE

[@Digbick_energy]

OMNGHE THE REAL GORDAN JUILBERT??

[@evesyoutube3020]

omg your evrywaer how are you jhonnie

[@NanaGrinklefoot]

LOL HELP@@Digbick_energy

[@Jahnnie_Solby]

POV: you clicked because you saw Johnnie on the thumbnail

[@Hi_ilikecheese]

so real

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@Squinky_Productions]

Fr

[@kaymitch6329]

Real

[@avacado0766]

Yup 😂

[@Creators_not_consumers]

I was a little scared when I saw my boy Johnnie on the thumbnail

[@farizanawar]

I’ve been watching Johnnie Guilbert for around 8 years now and honestly I like his music. I rarely like music made by people who are mainly KZbinrs but I think he’s genuinely talented and has pretty great lyrics as well. I’ve watched his music grow over the years and some of his recent stuff such as Zombie are amazing!!

[@farizanawar]

Song recommendations btw - Lost My Sanity, Zombie, Angel of Death, Anxiety, Sleeping With Your Ghost, Welcome To Hell and his cover of Cut without the E :)

[@1ljinito]

Amen 🙏 🤧

[@Just_niaxx]

Same

[@michellereedus9148]

Johnnie Guilbert was literally on the Google search page you pulled up. He's THE original emo and his music slaps. how are you not familiar with him? Lol he's been on KZbin longer than you have my dude. Look into his lore.

[@jeongieluvs]

nah that dude is just another fashioncore that's been on youtube for way too long

[@elilima28413]

@@jeongieluvs he really is one of the og emos. He was in the emo o2l

[@Kioyihiramybeautifulmanfavbl]

​@@jeongieluvs he been online for a while

[@michellereedus9148]

@@jeongieluvs Hes blown up the past year and bigger than ever bro. be jealous

[@girlinautumn7771]

FRR like he is THE definition EMO.

[@playfuldreamers4905]

I love how the screenshot he has for the emo aesthetic has Johnnie in it 😂😂😂

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@auroraave]

the fact that Johnnie is in the thumbnail with mgk breaks my heart

[@gummiixx]

If I see Johnnie Guilbert I *CLICK* 😍😘

[@NeverNormal]

lol Thanks for watching!

[@gummiixx]

@@NeverNormal your welcome I enjoyed it ! I wasnt expecting a reply lol 😆

[@I_love_hanako-kun_TBHK]

I ove Johnnie lol

[@prod.SMOKIE]

johnnie guilbert is an og

[@lukas-vandmand]

Johnnie is definitely not an OG he doesn't make emo music he makes mediocre music, the only types of songs ive liked from him was covers when it was just him and his guitar and not with some over the top autotuned crap with a shitty beat that sounds too pop to be considered emo. i would actually say that the only thing that makes him emo is his style of clothing and tattoos. i really dont get the hype im 1000% sure it's only because he's attractive that he's this popular. his 'comedic' videos is only targeted to people under the age of 14 because of the childish and loud mr beast type of editing.

[@Ada111O]

Ima be so honest right now i was gonna skip this then i saw johnnie on the thumbnail and had to check😭😭

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@farizanawar]

I honestly love your coverage of these topics, I was thinking of this topic just yesterday so it’s nice to listen to someone talk about it

[@NeverNormal]

Glad you like it! Thanks for watching!

[@addinoir]

i was about to write a whole paragraph when i saw johnnie in the thumbnail, but then watched and saw you weren’t slandering him

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for checking out the video!

[@catherinem9071]

My problem with Tiktok when it comes to music especially emotionally driven ones such as emo is you need to hear it up to the chorus and the end to get the full effect. When they repeat the chorus in a loop it takes away from the emotional impact of the chorus. You don't get that hit when it isn't a surprise. Yeah it can be the most fun and catchy part, but the words that lead up to it make it have more of an impact. Take "The Black Parade" for example. If you only heard the chorus the song doesn't have much context. Listen to it from the beginning and you get the heavy instruments and buildup which makes it more powerful. I understand that this is how younger audiences are discovering artists outside of the mainstream, but there is still nothing like listening to a song for the first time from the beginning and letting it all sink in.

[@NeverNormal]

I wonder if the black parade (the song) came out today what the reaction would be. Thanks for watching!

[@catherinem9071]

@@NeverNormal I wonder that too. It is a shame how the youth of today won't experience the MTV that the millennial generation got to experience.

[@Dolyss26]

I love Johnnie sm and I’ve been watching him for years but tx2 kind pisses me off

[@CharlieJenkins-ot5cp]

Thank you so much. I love ALL of these artists, especially tx2 and Johnnie and mgk. I’m so glad u aren’t hating, and even though ur not really a big fan of them, I’m so so so relieved to hear this

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@daikolirae155]

no way are you an adult

[@Timmyson946]

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY SOME COLORFUL THINGS WHEN I SAW JOHNNIE

[@haybeli]

Okay Johnnie is underrated and he’s an og

[@caesarorzell600]

Kyle Gordon also got Matt Rubano to play bass on his song, so major props to him!

[@NeverNormal]

ohhhh didn't know that, Thanks for watching!

[@caesarorzell600]

@@NeverNormal No prob! I'm a big fan of your videos! ❤️

[@graymarch666]

Kyle is hilarious ngl

[@janey4319]

I mean, emo was cringe before tiktok 🤷‍♀️ (I say this with love)

[@dontcallmeemo_9935]

Accepting all forms of art from this genre was the best decision I ever made

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@teebee343]

i think there is an inherent logical flaw when it comes to tx2's point about how he "couldnt have become popular as an emo artist without being cringe" when we have emo artists coming out in the modern day that are exploding in popularity without being "cringe"

[@chrismaghintay]

17:40 what do you think about Mom Jeans playing Best Buds at WWWY? I'm excited to see them be part of the event, but they seem like an odd pick for an event so tied to the 2000s

[@NeverNormal]

Make sense, eventually you'll run out of 2000s bands.

[@jeongieluvs]

omg it's like it's 2004 for all over again, all of this modern "emo pop punk" trash getting labeled as emo revival 2.0 when that wave began in 2018, when will they leave that word alone 💔

[@Blueco.mp4]

POV you clicked to see tx2 and johnnie gilbert

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@Blueco.mp4]

@@NeverNormal I met tx2 really nice

[@TSM20169]

Love that you mentioned TSSF. They were and still are the best in the game, in my opinion. My band is currently recording with Nik, their current touring bassist who was also in Man Overboard

[@NeverNormal]

Good luck with the recording! Thanks for watching.

[@radioact1ve_emo]

i honestly really appreciate this person not just straight up saying "oh this person is a poser" and being chill about things

[@NeverNormal]

There's too much gatekeeping, I just want all the bands we all love to be as popular as possible. (Similar to the early 2000s era) Thanks for watching!

[@radioact1ve_emo]

@@NeverNormal of course lol

[@KatatonicMusic]

"Real Emo" only consists of the dc Emotional Hardcore scene and the late 90's Screamo scene. What is known by "Midwest Emo" is nothing but Alternative Rock with questionable real emo influence. When people try to argue that bands like My Chemical Romance are not real emo, while saying that Sunny Day Real Estate is, I can't help not to cringe because they are just as fake emo as My Chemical Romance (plus the pretentiousness). Real emo sounds ENERGETIC, POWERFUL and somewhat HATEFUL. Fake emo is weak, self pity and a failed attempt to direct energy and emotion into music. Some examples of REAL EMO are Pg 99, Rites of Spring, Cap n Jazz (the only real emo band from the midwest scene) and Loma Prieta. Some examples of FAKE EMO are American Football, My Chemical Romance and Mineral EMO BELONGS TO HARDCORE NOT TO INDIE, POP PUNK, ALT ROCK OR ANY OTHER MAINSTREAM GENRE

[@graymarch666]

I read this in ben shabibos voice from that one video lol

[@KellinxxxquinxxX]

HAHA

[@NeverNormal]

Rites of spring is basically pop punk. Thanks for watching!

[@KatatonicMusic]

@@NeverNormal it's a copypasta lol but yeah your video was good I liked it

[@ntz7358]

the cap n jazz tee...LMAO

[@NeverNormal]

Haha thanks for watching!

[@photogmom1969]

I gotta ask...where did you get that shirt? I LOVE IT!

[@NeverNormal]

washedupemo.threadless.com/designs/defend-emo/mens/v-neck Thanks for watching!

[@NoUseForAName0626]

Love your shirt!! 🤘

[@NeverNormal]

lol grab it from washedupemo.threadless.com/designs/defend-emo/mens/t-shirt/triblend

[@josepablodeleon6073]

I think that the main reason why the pop punk scene was upset at MGK and the new TikTok wave making or trying to make pop punk mainstream again, is that pop punk was perfectly fine where it was in the 2010s as part of the indie scene. Bands like Neck Deep, State Champs, Citizen, Fireworks, The Story So Far, The Wonder Years, Stand Atlantic, Real Friends and Knuckle Puck were making some of the best music of the genre.

[@NeverNormal]

2010s was a awesome time for the scene.

[@josepablodeleon6073]

​@@NeverNormalArguably the best decade in the genre.

[@testtubeisawesome]

I saw johnnie on the thumbnail, I click

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@jasminegold2807]

I don't know how many times I listened to "Estella" by Kenny Hoopla and "Sideways" by Jack Kays 🔥

[@NeverNormal]

kenny hoopla is great! Thanks for watching!

[@Creators_not_consumers]

Also this video was super good. The fact that being emo sometimes just automatically gets hate is a little annoying. Not everyone wants to be like Taylor Swift! (no hate to taylor)

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@ryanduffy5301]

Johnnie has been pushing emo hard for like a decade.

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@K-12_love]

Jonnhie and tx2??? Love them so much!

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@Dizzzy3334]

I loveee tx2 and johnnie ❤

[@x.angel_of_death.x]

OMG WHY IS TX2 HERE HES MY FAVORITE PERSON EVER

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@x.angel_of_death.x]

@@NeverNormal ofcc

[@thomasdupont7186]

Nostalgia is not that bad though, But I wonder if this youtuber realize the US culture is swimming in nostalgia for at least a decade now (regarding cinema, music, clothing etc etc...).

[@evesyoutube3020]

whats your thoughts on caroline carr and clawedbeutylol

[@tinytornadomg]

Emo technically isn't a genre. It literally means emotional music thats hardcore to your liking (because hardcore is subjective) it literally means emotional lyrics. Thats it.

[@tinytornadomg]

Emo is literally short for emotional. Listen to sunny day real estate and tell me how the hell thats the same genre as simple plan? Thats right. The emotionally inclined lyrics or emotions you get from it

[@dxsmorphic]

when you look up emo (boy) Johnnie’s one of the top pictures haha. not sure if you caught that!

[@NeverNormal]

Haha ya as I said in the video. I wasn't familiar with these creators so I did not notice Johnnie in the search result 😅 Thanks for watching!

[@zombieguilber1]

I LOVE TX2 AND JOHNNIE SO I CLICK

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@Kim_someone_]

Not Johnnie💀

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@graymarch666]

I do not like tx2. Tx2 pisses me off. If cringe was a person, it would be tx2. Tx2 is a poser. I want to throw tomatoes at tx2. Have i mentioned that I hate tx2?

[@jade_bbybluelyrix]

how can you hate somebody that much

[@jade_bbybluelyrix]

how miserable are you

[@spaghettimist]

I'm jealous of anybody that has enough energy to waste it on hating people

[@graymarch666]

@jade_bbybluelyrix I'm actually pretty well off in life but I don't like annoying posers trying to claim a culture they aren't in

[@graymarch666]

@spaghetti4659 welcome to the real world everybody hates someone if you don't hate anyone you're sheltered and need to go outside

[@Evyvyvyvy]

Johnnie is the W

[@NeverNormal]

Thanks for watching!

[@MusicToMurderWith]

“Im hoping I made it into the video, will edit after watching”-TenTillDeath Edit: “CUT MY LIFE INTO PIECES. Im both a pop punk nerd and emocore (80s/90s) nerd and I will say that the modern emo community is pretty dang toxic. If you aren’t dressing early 2000s aesthetic then you’re not emo, but if you’re also not into 90s Midwest emo, then you’re not considered emo. The community is something”-TenTillDeath