They Accused This Tracer Of Wallhacking... Were They Right? | Overwatch 2

[@blinkachu5275]

"the crouching is weird" i saw in chat, but really it's not crouch spam limits the sound you make while moving while keeping your speed at a higher value than regular crouching that's been a thing in the game since OW1 and is what people (especially on Tracer) use to get into position faster without alerting enemies that there's a Tracer in their backline

[@Zyborgg]

Yep. Kabaji used to crouch spam like crazy.

[@joshuawilson7629]

6:44 just throwing it in as a tracer main, if I am turning a corner and am expecting enemies on top of my teammate I will track my teammate through the wall as a default starting aim position.

[@juanmanuelmontivero4473]

The pulse bomb at 4:25 was better than it looks, they were waiting for the cleanse to be used.

[@AwkwardRevolution]

Nice catch

[@lumines.6622]

I can see WHY chat thought they had walls early on, it looked like they were tracking through walls but I actually think it was just them following sound cues + map knowledge, they could predict where the other team was moving and knew the map well enough to follow the sound.

[@ntech216]

Yea I don't even think they're surfing I think they're just a High Plat-low Dimond player

[@wusaint]

@@ntech216 well it was a gold lobby I believe but I agree with your observation. It's pretty much what I see in my games. It could just be someone doing placements. There's still a ton of people that haven't done placements. Especially on alt accts and such. I went up against someone the other day that I know for a fact is a GM level player that took about a one year hiatus and is just getting back into the game. A few matches and this person will be where they need to be. I actually do believe the system is pretty good at figuring out where you should be in ten matches or less. I know there's crybabies that claim they're in ELO hell but ELO hell is largely a fictitious thing. If you're good enough you will climb until your skill plateaus where you should be.

[@andersj91]

That would be smurfing then this is a gold match...

[@ntech216]

@@andersj91 it's gold- Plat4 not smurfing....

[@xerxstirb]

Almost certainly not cheating. Good engagement timings, good target priority, good movement, good blink usage, good recall usage, good melee usage, good pulse-blink combos, good map knowledge, good usage of medkits, good crosshair placement. If you see how smoothly the crosshair flows over the Illari at 13:25 it really doesn't look like there's any aim assist. The player also doesn't pre-aim targets through walls. The reason Tracer players spam crouch while walking is to mask their footstep sounds while still keeping decent walking speed. But, yeah, they're definitely too skilled to be in that lobby.

[@AutumnlLeaf]

Definitely not cheating might not even be a smurf just a tracer one trick

[@comd.shepard]

They are not a one-trick maybe learning Tracer on an alt. because their 180° blink flicks are slow for Plat post season 9. But their >180° blink movement is very good for a Plat lobby. Definitely a smurf.

[@andersj91]

This is not a gold tracer lol the blink melee, movement, aim, and sticks are all WAY too good.

[@rickfsu22]

The rank reset got alot of low ranks accusing alot of people of cheating this season lmao

[@ObsidianQuasar]

If they are cheating it’s a bizarre method. Good blink melee, good pulse bombs, good engagement timing, decent blink management. However, did blink often into positions where they were looking at nothing still or were turned around/confused, aim at mid ranges was very scuffed, low critical hits, lotta wild flicking and dance/crouching. My guess mid tier player trying to one trick tracer, watches a lot of streams, sees the value/metas, learned the techs but still working on it. Cheaters have egos, would of turned it up or swapped. Someone trying to 1 trick wouldn’t.

[@zntei2374]

Smurf, I would say a they are a ~diamond tracer main. I'm a diamond dps and honestly their tracer specific mechanics are better than mine for sure, but other things aren't so great

[@pretty.billy.]

Nope, this isn’t a cheater. You can just tell they’re actually pretty solid.

[@mrkisukes]

The cheater problem has made everyone hyper sensitive to anything remotely sus even if it's non-cheating behavior. I know I've certainly become more skeptical in my games but a lot of times it's just a smurf ruining things for the rest of us or the match making being trash.

[@cbardis]

In Gold playing around health packs and using them IS cheating.

[@trapout8250]

Ah yes the spam crouch technique from Rust to hide your footsteps while being faster. It’s also funny that Rust is full of cheaters too.

[@aceunavailable9141]

@@trapout8250 omg i totally forgot that specifically Tracer's sound file makes this work

[@micro522]

crouch spam xDDD

[@trilloff]

Not cheating. I'm not even 100% this is a smurf. They are good, yes. But they have Gold tracking and aim while acting like they learned GM techniques from a YT video and are testing them out. If this is a smurf, they are no higher than Diamond because I see better tracers there.

[@TheMoocow2009]

The pulse bombs are really good for Gold though, and so is the movement and cooldown management. Also, you say they look like they're testing out GM techniques they learned from a YT video, but I disagree: most of what they're doing feels purposeful. Not only do most of their blink-melees hit, they're good at choosing between blink-melee and blink-180-melee (so they have a good understanding of blink distance). More importantly, they're going for them when it makes sense and frequently confirming kills off it, so they are both good at the execution and knowing when to go for one. I'd guess they're Diamond, maybe low Masters. The tracking isn't incredible, but every other aspect of their gameplay seems considerably higher than Gold.

[@trilloff]

@@TheMoocow2009 "most of what they're doing feels purposeful." Idk how that would discount the theory of them trying new techniques. If you are testing out a technique, it would be purposeful. Their blink melee was slow for a high level, but the fact they did it places them higher than gold mechanic-wise. But I still don't think they are a high smurf. Their skittish nature and never being confrontational shows they are reserved and afraid even at this level. They are gold, maybe platinum in my eyes. Being a back-line Tracer that runs after taking 1 dmg means they still have a lot to learn. They need to start taking those 1v1's.

[@darkforcesjedi]

I was thinking it looks like a gold player that just plays a lot of tracer.

[@blinkachu5275]

Sorry but that aim tracking is not Gold lmao It's very much roughly Diamond level With how Overwatch 2 has changed it's genuinely impossible to have perfect tracking close up, you can slow down a game from Dafran on Tracer and even he will miss quite a bit, it's just how frigging fast heroes are nowadays (especially when Juno or Lucio is around with their speedboosting abilities)

[@TheMoocow2009]

@@trilloff When I said purposeful, I meant "done with a purpose", (I didn't just mean the opposite of accidental). In retrospect, the basic purpose of blink-melee (to finish off a low health enemy) is simple enough it doesn't mean much that they're using it correctly. It's more about the execution to me -- I've never seen a gold Tracer with that level of accuracy with blink-melee or blink-pulse bomb.

[@JoelRussell-v3j]

😅7:00 what a pulse bomb

[@opticadriansantiago5384]

It’s funny when people can’t determine if someone is cheating or not, especially when it’s aiming. You can tell when it’s natural aim, or it’s slightly snapping or blatantly snapping on someone’s head.

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

Not a cheater but if they are a smurf they aren't too much higher than gold. Lack of engagement is a big issue. There team was a dive comp but the Tracer tried to either just do clean up or take 1v1. Lead to several team fights lost. Almost like they were trying to keep their death count low but still have relatively decent eliminations. Definitely someone who dropped and is trying to climb out

[@comd.shepard]

100% smurf that Trigger discipline, movement & movement prediction + melee.

[@biscwetx6069]

What really annoys me is everyone's thought about cheaters, if someone's better they're cheating, if someone shouldn't be that rank, cheating. I feel like that phrase is thrown around wayyyy too much

[@notster7114]

smurfing still is technically a form of cheating, just not hacking.

[@wusaint]

They just know how to remotely play Tracer 🤷‍♂️ Played against better and worse.

[@CryoKeqing]

If anybody in my rank (gold) hit more than 3 shots in row i report them for cheating.

[@chase321boom]

Ay man what if i’m reaper :( impossible to miss

[@pud469]

@@CryoKeqing for real lol. If they are not cheating they don't belong in gold. Either fix cheating or fix the matchmaker hahahaha

[@CryoKeqing]

@@pud469 you’d be surprised how many times i get the “thank for reporting” message. A lot of cheaters are so terrible you wouldn’t even notice.

[@DaRkZzz-]

100% not cheating its so obvious that they aren’t

[@pud469]

I typically see cheating when most people do not, but this doesn't look like they are. I can understand from some of the kill cams why someone would think it. Could they still be cheating?? Sure, but after the replay and seeing their game knowledge, I doubt it. If they are, they would be the first cheater using cheats to get a slight edge, and not ruin the game. I am low rank, and they just look like a better player.

[@aceunavailable9141]

this feels like someone who placed plat 4 (upper bound of the match) and maybe deserves plat 1 -- i don't think we can even call this a smurf

[@DiabolicalOrganisation]

maybe they dont play comp one of those qp geezers or maybe they havent played ranked on dps

[@Shellw2]

This is a smurf. Their recall discipline is pretty good. Not a lot of Gold/Plat Tracers would hold their Recalls at 20 hp to risk going in for a blink melee and THEN recalling. Just seems like a good player to me, lol.

[@KlebinDaBoca]

Looks like someone that has not touched the game for a while and came back. Probably a mid plat, low diamond player that stopped playing regularly

[@notster7114]

idk how anyone can think this tracer was cheating, they look like every other gold tracer player ive seen. using slightly more tech but they cant actually aim while crouching or jumping or strafing, seems like they just learned some cool new tech on tiktok and wanted to try it out but they arent actually getting any value out of her, this guy is not even a smurf let alone a cheater.

[@P7_Drowsy]

Smurf theory sounds reasonable to me especially since they are using the default spray on a hero they clearly play often.

[@notster7114]

disagree, i preordered the game in 2016 and the majority of my heroes still use the default spray

[@HANSHEQ]

Smurf with walls= Smurfette

[@manh-haimuller6027]

Not cheating!!! He has good habits and game sense! Especially the crouch spam is a good indicator for a good flanker! Don't even think he is a Smurf! He is just playing well BUT his timing for engage is off a few times which causes his team to lose!

[@Zyborgg]

Just looks like a diamond tracer imo

[@Thato-Geee]

This was me before I broke my pc😭😭😭emogg reacted to one of my games😢

[@draimobthedragon-wolf8244]

I'd say probably smurfing. Sometimes I also have good matches as tracer but I don't have that good of a movement like one time I stood still behind enemy Pharah who was ulting, nearly died to her but killed her and lived on 5 hp. But that's probably someone from higher ranks, playing on an alt who's probably learning tracer

[@GODSPEED1ow]

I think it’s a Smurf messing around. They have moments where they seem to be trying then moments when they don’t care. After all, it could be a second account and they probably don’t want to climb it so that they can continue to try different techs. Never really know

[@D-D731]

ALRIGHT SO!

[@rickfsu22]

Twitch chat is about dumb as a box of rocks if they think this is cheating.. there's way to many people not willing to say they're not very good and want to instantly say someone is cheating when getting beat or in this instance a reverse sweep started to happen

[@notzeontv3947]

good video :)

[@A_kh669]

This background music reminds me of that dr mario AI meme I love it

[@Runo-K]

I think it was awfully convenient how many times their crosshair was on enemies behind walls. Once, fine, twice, possible, but 10? Sus. I dont think they had aim assists on, but they might have had walls

[@croissantqwq3072]

As someone said as a tracer main, if your team is getting attacked you’ll probably hear it and you’ll automatically bring your curser to where they are. Also if you know the general direction of where their spawn is let’s you determine where the enemy would roughly be. Not going main? They’re down below. Not down below? Probably main or the side. You can usually guess where they are. Just because YOU can’t guess where the enemies are doesn’t mean they can’t lol

[@Chrys0lis]

Do gold players not know what preaiming an angle is or a headset is?

[@user-xv3pm1sp2n]

Correct me if im wrong, but isn't smurffing technically cheating?

[@bokunorainbow58]

There isn't really enough to definitively say they're smurfing, and with how aggressive auto report has become it's not fair to report unless you're really confident imo. Maybe if this was like a masters+ smurf, or a bronze lobby.

[@ZeroKami86]

Trick question because smurfing is cheating

[@Bodgie7878]

It's only against the rules if they're boosting someone else, you can't be banned for smurfing

[@tennosake320]

Smurfing is in fact not cheating

[@LibreWolfUser]

0:56 No trigger discipline 7:14 Trying to stall point when there's 4 people watching him. 12:40 L engagement This isn't even a good enough tracer to call "Smurf" they just have a basic understanding of what to do. His team either clutched up or the other team is terrible, but no way a good player ever look at this Tracer's decisions and think they're higher than Plat.

[@DaRkZzz-]

Yall egos bruh😭

[@LibreWolfUser]

@DaRkZzz- This is the first L vod where it was pure ass in both contexts. He wasn't cheating and he wasn't good enough to be considered smurfing. How people really thought it was possible are terrible to

[@tennosake320]

I can tell you ass at the game 😂

[@SavageMelodicMaestro]

They definitely have walls, way too many times they tracked players through walls and constantly just staring at them. Why would any one be staring at walls when they play? Doorways of course but walls?? Nah, unless you have X-ray vision there's no reason to be staring at walls.

[@brebstik]

I frequently "stare at walls" when I hear an enemy on the other side. It makes it easier to hear which direction they're walking in so I know where to expect them to pop up! After a while you get really good at it, and some headsets are more accurate than others when it comes to surround sound. I've looked back on some of my replays and was surprised at how I was able to accurately track footsteps through walls!

[@SavageMelodicMaestro]

@@brebstik That's because you can hear them on the other side of the wall, you are not going to stare a wall when they are coming back from spawn or 10 walls away.

[@rickfsu22]

Tell us your lower rank without telling us your lower rank.. just because someone doesn't play how you think they shoukd doesn't mean they're cheating....

[@DreadscopeZ]

@@rickfsu22exactly this dude plays exactly like I do in tracer and I’m high gold low plat he was absolutely not cheating but he did just get a huge compliment thanks to the people who thought he was

[@pud469]

I'm typically one to call cheating, when most say NO. Trying to line up a shot at the proper height before peaking is a useful strat. I catch myself doing this even more with sound queues of someone on the other side of the wall, but I still suck and die. I would be more suspicious of the flankee snapping 90 and killing the tracer.

[@robiqo]

Wth is this?! Dude is neither smurfing nor cheating. Aim and playsytle are absolute ass. he barely has any impact on the game, literally just tickling his targets lol. This isnt even worth ending in a cheater vod

[@whatinthaworld]

clearly has walls, when u know the difference

[@HANSHEQ]

The tracer had walls. There were multiple times the tracer tracked and tried to hide when the enemy strarts turning towards them. You can have game knowledge and walls. They just know how to make it subtle. 4:13 1:15 2:42 7:40 8:38 12:00 12:48 14:35 14:40

[@NathanGould-df5ts]

I dissagree, all of these timestamps look normal to me.

[@tennosake320]

Are you peak bronze?

[@xxGwenxDuncanxx]

am i first