Horrible Maps 12

[@EmperorTigerstar]

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[@californiaandwashington1377]

Make 13 it’s been an hour!

[@Spoonishpls]

I suppose your audience has to be 95% dudes because everything on that site is dripping with masculinity, even their "flowery" wallet lol

[@staticsfs6823]

Search:European War 6 1914 map

[@Ilovebulgaria211]

Hi Tigerstar

[@skippitysmithsonshorts]

no

[@AndrewVasirov]

I never understood HOW they manage to put maps that bad in books/sites. INB4 "In order to avoid copyright, we hired map artist and history enthusiast John Spencer from High School no. 5 to draw us the map of Japan from memory."

[@TheDirtysouthfan]

It feels weird because it feels like there should be some free template out there so you don't have to constantly redo it. instead they all try to reinvent the wheel.

[@Liggliluff]

The best way to avoid copyright theft is by making something so horrible that no one wants to copy it

[@timothymclean]

@@TheDirtysouthfan There's plenty of those online, but using them would require the books to have been meaningfully revised beyond edition number in the past 15 years.

[@jonas1015119]

you'd think it wouldnt be that hard to pull a world map off of wikimedia commons and then trace the borders in whatever style you want

[@flazzorb]

I have an idea for everyone to steal, take a screenshot from google maps, then use something like PS to draw an outline of it, then just take the outline. Boom, done, that simple.

[@icarusmarioFAN]

I like the new scoring system. It would be cool if subsequent videos had an all-time graph at the end after the Nope/10 is given so we can compare scores of maps from different videos to each other.

[@tombedi8492]

I agree

[@ILoveAmp]

Have to do a worst-of episode where all of the NOPE/10s are compared.

[@RexGalilae]

It's sad that he misused his own scoring system to give a child's map the same accuracy score as the national archive 💀💀

[@andersmhc]

@@ILoveAmp then his scale should be from 0 to 1, with 0.1 increases in each category.

[@andreygromov3492]

Is nobody gonna talk about how even UK is scuffed on supposedly UK national archive map? It is frustratingly close to being geographically accurate, and yet, when you overlay it over some actual maps of the British Isles, it just comes off entirely misshapen regardless of the perspective.

[@Nastiazik]

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[@faridmuhammad5145]

liked comment but no replies

[@shantanupanda1650]

Instead of the rounded average, maybe you could use distance of the point from 0,0 or the RMS value

[@Argentocoxos]

I like this idea, it's just that little bit different.

[@taureon_]

you mean sqrt(x² + y²)?

[@StuffandThings_]

AKA the "Distance to NOPE"

[@robertjarman3703]

An RMS value would be how many water compartments you can flood before the Titanic sinks.

[@FraenkischeRep]

Yes

[@jadetheartist873]

Tigerstar: “Hey! They actually remembered New Zealand!” *points to Taiwan* Me: Yes, but you forgot where it is.

[@joshuacarre06]

I'm gusing he pointed to Taiwan knowing its not new Zealand as a joke and to get people to comment about it so more engagement

[@Liggliluff]

@@joshuacarre06 It's clearly a joke or an editor error; he obviously knows where New Zealand is. But I do find it funny when there's errors in a fact based video, and those errors are considered "intentional jokes" by the comment section. I think J.J. McCollough is one example of this; errors in his fact based videos are said to be jokes, even though they're presented as facts.

[@StuffandThings_]

"New Zealand has been a part of China since ancient times"

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

@@joshuacarre06 That's exactly what it is. People correcting him = more engagement = KZbin is happy

[@miniraptor3211]

What do you mean it isn't there?

[@leumasecir9369]

Bold of you to introduce a new rating system on episode 12

[@pengiunanimatorguy]

1:56 EmperorTigerstar: But hey! They actually remembered New Zealand! *points to Taiwan*

[@egilland]

"We already had Japan" "Yeah, but what about Second Japan?!"

[@darthkarr]

the 4th map also has Yuogslavia written on it. In 2017.

[@Hand-in-Shot_Productions]

I didn't notice that until now! The creator of the map fused Serbia and Montenegro back together, and called it Yugoslavia! Either this map was made before 2003 (when Yugoslavia was renamed to "the State Union of Serbia and Montenegro"), or the map is even more wrong than the Emperor thought! Thanks for the information!

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Three other things you didn't mention about that National Archives map are Serbia, Alsace-Lorraine and Bulgaria. Here they gave Vojvodina to Serbia despite the fact it was still a part of Austria-Hungary then, it didn't join Serbia until 1918. Bulgaria had an Aegean coast/Western Thrace in 1914, it wasn't until 1919 under the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine that they gave that up to the Entente who then gave it to Greece in 1920 at the San Remo conference. They occupied this coast again in WWII temporarily. The northeast part of the country is wrong too, this is just Bulgaria's modern borders. And here Alsace-Lorraine is French, when it was of course still German then until 1918.

[@seronymus]

I didn't expect to see you here nor to have such historical knowledge o_o

[@shaggy-2]

Also russia doesn’t own that northeastern part of turkey

[@thechickennuggetmaniac]

I see you everywhere

[@DawidEstishort]

The last map: Normally Japan has a "banana" shape, but here it has "banana peel" shape.

[@EuropeanFella]

It's so annoying that a lot of maps are terrible. Look at the first one. Probably thousands or tens of thousands looked at it and actually though that's how Europe looked. Then they see an actual WW1 map, get confused, and either quit learning history or being severely disinformed and learning it the wrong way.

[@wilsonli5642]

I think "Second Japan" in Map 3 might be Sakhalin? It's a little hard to tell because the green color kinda blends into the ocean around it but that's my guess.

[@frostyguy1989]

3:58 They labelled Serbia as Yugoslavia, even though it functionally ceased to be in 1992, and the political fiction was finally dispensed with in 2003. Also, Montenegro and Kosovo are missing.

[@StuffandThings_]

4:47 Finally, peace in the Balkans

[@patrickazzarella6729]

WTF that first map should get a 1-3 on accuracy, every European nation border involved on the map is incorrect except for the UK , as well as the Ottoman Empire not being colored but for some reason Spain and Switzerland are, and if you're gonna say its only counting European nations why is Canada colored?

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

Personally, I prefer the original way. Aesthetics kinda don't matter to me, so long as the information is accurate.

[@dakapo8985]

When accuracy blend in perfectually with the intended aesthetics though.... *cheff kiss*

[@timothymclean]

Aesthetics bled into the old grading system, so I'm glad they're addressed formally by the new one. I could see an argument for using a weighted average, though!

[@derektroutman4793]

I mean, I just like the fact that we now have a chart. Charts are cool

[@bippo8901]

Aesthetics help how easy it is to read, like that map where the ocean and land were both white. It is much harder to read a map like that than if the sea was blue

[@ecurewitz]

Thank you Tigerstar! Horrible maps always makes my day feel better, especially when I am spending the after/ evening in the hospital

[@vinvic1578]

Love the new scoring !

[@FewVidsJustComments]

Please make more if you arent tired of these. This is fun to watch for some reason

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

I expect to see lots of WhatifAltHist's Maps on this list!

[@anonnymousperson]

I'm enjoying the new scoring system. Allows for a bit more nuance to the grading.

[@peterlyon367]

Fantastic as always

[@thesebastanian567]

I remember seeing the National Archives map in high school and it annoyed me so much but nobody else seemed to really care lol

[@bocbinsgames6745]

"They actually remembered new Zealand!" _points to Taiwan_

[@darreljones8645]

This time, the "NOPE" definitely earned it.

[@МирјанаАдамовић]

4:19 what the HELL happened to balkans? Bosnia is now a circle, Croat-Sloven border is now just a line. Montenegro is now non-existant.

[@yorkshireball_animations]

and serbia is yugoslavia

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

The goal of the National Archives is to guard history, but they're not doing their job by showing a wrong map of history. At least the DPRK showcases its history the way it should. I'll never take the UK seriously

[@ArousedRat1]

영광스러운 지도자

[@zachmiller9175]

That Schengen map was really a standout, so many inexplicable choices from leaving inland lakes white to Andorra being a circle to the massive canals splitting apart the Balkans, it just boggles the mind.

[@Brickertown]

would absolutely like to point out on map 4 that Serbia is labeled Yugoslavia which is simply hilarious

[@S.1.L]

"They actually remembered New Zealand!" he said, as the arrow pointed to the island of Taiwan.

[@jadetheartist873]

I like the new scoring! Pretty cool.

[@pengiunanimatorguy]

1:00 I feel like it’s pretty common to see maps with this type of map projection missing Kaliningrad and give Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan to China

[@macicoinc9363]

That one of the middle east had me laughing for a solid 2 minutes. I have never seen the western hemisphere so messed up. All they had to do is not show the zoomed out perspective and it would have been fine. The worst part is, Oceania is almost completely accurate, and Asia isn't to bad either. It's like they started in Australia and slowly their effort decreased the longer they worked on it, to the point that they just one hand motioned North America on a white board and called it a day.

[@greenbuttondown]

Absolutely love the new metric! My only complaint is that you didn't do it earlier

[@JAAGen01]

Are we not even going to mention Serbia, Italy, Greece, and France all having their modern borders in the WWI map???

[@Squrtie]

"They actually remembered New Zealand!!" **points to taiwan**

[@DarkJokingDragonSP]

I think its easer if you just give 5 point for looks and 5 for accuracy and add them. No need to round and such.

[@andrewstrucek6780]

I like the old scoring system and its tongue-in-cheek mock seriousness. We aren't seriously evaluating the maps- we're just enjoying how bad they all are. Overanalyzing loses some of the fun.

[@mackycabangon8945]

Really liked the new scoring system. Only thing I can say is to not use averages, instead use the distance from NOPE/10

[@71.218-westshed]

On the last map, Japan looks like a floppy chicken or some weird abstract art of a person.

[@ikesileth2270]

New scoring good

[@Liggliluff]

I don't think black lines on white is 1 on aesthetic, since it's still clear. What would be bad aesthetic is if the lines are hard to see, or missing.

[@davidmoore1253]

The ratings still feel pretty arbitrary to me, so I prefer the more clear cut arbitrariness of the simple n/10 system. Also Nope/10 loses its impact when it literally takes 10 seconds to say it.

[@timothymclean]

I've seen a lot of arguments against the new rating system, and this is the first one that makes sense. Shame it's so far down in the comment section. Think commenting on a comment boosts its ranking?

[@Airported]

Facts

[@Liggliluff]

On the Schengen map, orange is non-Schengen EU, but Ireland isn't orange

[@FukuokuaZoomer]

Cant wait to see horrible maps 15 in 2034

[@AspieGamer13]

I’m curious how the previous maps would rate on this new scale

[@random-lamp2795]

I feel like this scoring system is fair. While one map may have perfect coastlines, it may have aggregious borders or information. So I feel like this works.

[@TommiWalle]

Map 5 (4:30) looks like someone downloaded a blank map of Europe from Wikimedia Commons, which Wikipedia uses for their images, and filled in the colours with MS Paint or some other such program. Wikimedia Commons definitely has a map of the Schengen area without any aesthetic errors, so they could've just used that instead of making the Schengen map themselves.

[@GorgutsFan1998]

I heartily enjoy the new quantitative scale!

[@christophe-4105]

On the map of Europe in 1914. You Miss a big mistake, The Alsace-Lorraine is french instead of German.

[@drrizzla4557]

c'est juste un "détail" :')

[@bostonrailfan2427]

that first map irked me for a different reason: no distinction between Canada and Newfoundland as the two weren’t joined together until 1949…

[@shadowbadgercat]

When is Ridge making a finger/toe nail Clipper?

[@Kingdom_Of_Dassogne]

I think it would be a good idea to do a map contest. Like Fantasy or Alternate History contest. I know it’s not the content you typically make but I think it would be a great way for people to get criticism or inspiration. I would also like to see the maps people make. What do you think?

[@Haajat]

Btw, national archives has made another mistake, and that is Vojvodina being part of Serbia back in 1914. Back in 1914, it was part of Austria Hungary. Montenegro was also bigger as it had half of Metohija (western Kosovo). Bulgaria also had a coast on the Aegean sea and had Strumica. Bulgaria didn't have south Dobruja either.

[@FamousFleming]

the new scoring system definitely holds more information but i feel like it interrupts the flow of the video. For me these videos are about laughing at the maps and hearing what you have to say about them, the scoring is a bonus

[@assimilation9]

I think I like the new method of rating the maps.

[@onepersonintheuniverse]

Thank god you made the sponsor into its own section

[@knockoutnorko7500]

Lovely way of scoring them maps.

[@IanCaponeDrVonoreheimdonzYT]

amazing 😊

[@coconutflour9868]

I have no idea how the black-on-white map got even a 4 on accuracy, that's a 1 at best. Just to focus on one small part: the Balkans. Croatia has lost its distinct shape *completely* because Slovenia owns Istria and Serbia extends to occupy half of Slavonia (and is also labeled Yugoslavia in 2017??), and Croatia has also absorbed Montenegro apparently, Albania got physically cut through by a line, North Macedonia is a square, and to top it all off, Bosnia and Herzegovina, the country so triangular that even their flag has a triangle, is now *round*

[@dameinwright290]

That final map is from "Who was Albert Einstein?" my students found that map hilarious when we saw it.

[@counterfeit1148]

I prefer the old way of rating the maps

[@F0urSidedHexag0n]

The new system is very nice! It's good to know what exactly isn't up-to-par of the map (Yea we can SEE it but still)

[@abe-danger]

the problem i have with the Ridge key thing is, where would i hang on my trinkets?

[@M.M.83-U]

I like the new scoring metod

[@GambinoTheGoat]

love the new scoring system

[@BrandorKOB]

“The average person has to know that Japan has 4 main islands “ *me , someone who is getting a grad degree, who doesn’t know that Japan has 4 main islands*

[@brayanargandonaflorentino548]

This person forgot to place Shikoku

[@Esth.1]

That 2017 lineart map has luxembourg as a literal triangle

[@mroof523]

The UK national archive did Germany bad but they did Austria-Hungary absolutely horrendous 😂😭

[@Womper1992]

In the first map, the land that is now Kaliningrad Oblast is just part of the Baltic Sea

[@mcnaughe]

That national archives map is even worse, since it shows Alsace-Lorraine belonging to France in 1914.

[@mr.manto4845]

I like the older way of scoring. Thinks felt fast paced

[@linkly9272]

i'm convinced that these maps are put in books and websites to troll publishers. there's no other explanation.

[@abe-danger]

this style is way more fledged out, but i dunno, its missing that bit of chaos

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

How does one submit maps?

[@lostcauselancer333]

Props to the Nope/10 for getting north Honshu exactly right.

[@tobiasnicholls9837]

The first one also has a very long Serbia, extremely cursed

[@frozenfeet4534]

even better system is since you're using XY coordinates just take the area of the rectangle they create with the origin (i.e. do X times Y to calculate each score)

[@wizardlizard6832]

With the advent of this new grading system, why not just have a general map submission thing. Rating good and bad maps, with some kind of 10/10 equivalent of the nope

[@meh23p]

Like the new scoring system for sure.

[@pretzel745]

New format is good

[@StuffandThings_]

0:28 The "Carto-Graph"

[@eireball]

“Babe wake up, another horrible maps video just dropped”

[@willval21]

Love the new scoring system.. also the national archives map had France own Alasce-Lorraine in 1914... France lost that territory to Germany/Prussia in the late 1800s and part of the French motivation for WW1 was to reclaim that territory. That brings the accuracy of that map way further down for me.

[@SamAronow]

5:47 Hate to see Japan go, love to watch it leave.

[@MarcTelang]

By the way Map 5 is from Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emirate_of_Nejd_and_Hasa#/media/File:Emirate_of_Nejd_and_Hasa_1913.svg

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

AND WHY IS HIROSHIMA AN ASTERISK, BUT NAGASAKI ACTUALLY ITS LAND AREA SHADED?!?!

[@nathanstruble2177]

Love the new scoring system, though I would prefer the score to just be X/Y instead of averaged.

[@athenlafoy1]

babe wake up new horrible maps dropped

[@artstsym]

The new scoring system is good, but don't let it hold you back. Just because a map *technically* looks ok and is sort of accurate should never stop you from shaming it.

[@casey6578]

he should rate it how he normally rates it but then goes back and thinks about how it would look on the graph, if you get what I mean

[@SnapplyPie]

5:50, ah Napaj

[@Caosalfa]

The virgin Japan vs the chad Emperor Tigerstar.

[@09Scherzo]

He missed that it gives South Tyrol to Italy.

[@VectorJW9260]

1:16 This is the Vector World Map! I can tell because of the projection and the Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan belonging to China.

[@trace6242]

Somehow I suspect that you could devote an entire episode, nay, a series to renditions or lack thereof, of the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.

[@andrewparker1622]

I don't know if you've seen it yet but the Warner Brothers Nations of the World map has so many issues

[@GreycatRademenes]

Honestly the Ridge Key thing would only work with 2 keys I use and not even the ones I use the most. Cool idea but maybe they can expand to other types of keys.

[@walugusgrudenburg3068]

I much prefer this scoring system over the old one