Empires & Puzzles - Analytical view of Treevil in War Defense

[@NordCat]

I like your presentation style and its very helpful! Cheers!

[@scottgibson962]

Great video. Thanks!

[@ssnakepitgaming]

No, thank you Scott!

[@nevarmaor]

I have been waiting for this ... I stuck Treevil (just recently maxed) on my left flank for the last two rush wars, along with four maxed (some LB'ed and emblemed) 5*. First war my defense absorbed 8 flags for two kills. For 3-4 of those flags it was only the flanks Treevil and LotL left. Second war it absorbed a further 6 flags but for 3 kills. Not too shabby, and definitely an improvement over my usual C.Quintus for rush. I am happy with him. Note, I am in a mid-level alliance, but usually get attacked by the stronger opponents. PS I have no reviver heroes, not even Gramps :(

[@ssnakepitgaming]

Nevarmaor, good to hear from you again. That's awesome you found a way to improve you D, it helps the whole team win wars. It is funny you bring up the fact that you normally get attacked by stronger opponents. I think you'll see over time, that with Treevil in your lineup, that may change. I've noticed this phenomenon when I started recording war hits, and it kind of makes sense, that stronger teams often go after stronger defences so the weaker teams can take out weaker ones. With Treevil in your lineup, your team power score is much lower and I do think to a degree, some of Treevil's success has been helped by the fact big hitters just aren't taking cracks at the Treevil teams. Again, it is early to say whether this is true or not but watch next time and see who attacks you. If you can remember, drop me a line and let me know. Cheers!

[@nevarmaor]

@@ssnakepitgaming Well, I used Treevil again in the last rush war. I was attacked 14 times for three kills. 7 of the attacks were zeroes. In terms of TP I was attacked by #2,3,4,5, and 9 thru 12 teams. #1 didn't attack me but they were only 8 TP higher than #2. A good personal success. Unfortunately we lost because we left a lot of unused flags this war and they left none.

[@ssnakepitgaming]

@@nevarmaor That sucks when people in your alliance don't participate, sorry to hear that. On a seperate note... Wow, that is incredibly solid defensive numbers you put up! I'm curious who else you had in that killer defense!

[@nevarmaor]

@@ssnakepitgaming Eh, it is what it is. We are a casual alliance and don't stress over full participation. Sometimes RL gets in the way. We range from Level 87 to 16. Right now 20 of 28 participate in war. I just like to do the best that I can. My "killer" team: Treevil LB +20 / Justice +18 / Ariel LB +18 / C.Elena LB +18 / LotL CB +18 We run blue tanks (more or less -- again it's a recommendation that most agreed to) FWIW I love using LotL for rush wars. She is a beast, and it may be that combination of her and Treevil that is working so sweetly. Once she gets going the opponent is neutered, especially endgame with 2 or 3 dead.

[@scottlaughland598]

The roots run deep!!

[@ssnakepitgaming]

Didn't think the 3* could compete when I first saw him being used. Seems he can with the right support. Thanks for watching Scott!

[@danielbest8733]

We just ran a bunch of Treevils in Rush War with good success. These numbers look like Treevil gives Alfrike a run for the money with the right support heroes. Bigger samples will flesh that out. Great analysis!

[@ssnakepitgaming]

Thanks Daniel. Yeah, Treevil with the proper support might be the real deal. Time will tell as more numbers roll in, but despite my reluctance to admit it, he could be effective. Thanks for commenting, good luck in your wars!

[@milodemoray]

I recently got the evil tree just after the nerf. However, I am still going use him. Not for my war defense but for the very fast 3* events. I don't have Mother North, or Heimdall etc, but for the 3* rush events there's Faiez, Treevil, Waqas, Rekhetre and Gramps.

[@ssnakepitgaming]

I still use mine in 3 star tournaments too, and I find him very handy for rare and even epic events. I no longer see him in our wars with as much frequency as before, but some people do still use him. Had a couple of opponents field him in the last rush war just a few days ago. I still like Treevil and think he's a top notch 3* hero even after the nerf. He's just not a top notch 5* hero anymore ;)

[@daltontriplett207]

Love the information, thanks so much for doing this. Just one comment, the green on the greyish background, really hard to read for me. I know I have colorblindness issues, so some other watchers may have the same issue.

[@ssnakepitgaming]

Thanks Dalton for the comment and the feedback. Now that I see it, you are 100 percent correct, I can barely make it out either. I'll be more cognizant of the colour scheme in the future. Thanks again, much appreciated!

[@temposem]

hi there, he got a nerf. Do you think that he still is a good pick for fast mana wars?

[@ssnakepitgaming]

Hey Alberto, thanks for the question and I'm wondering the same. For low or beginner level alliances that mostly have 3 and 4 star heroes on defense, I say yes. Treevil still has all the same tools and duration, only they are now at a lower severity, in line with what 3 and 4 stars should have. Same for 3* Rush tournaments, I still think he's a good hero who will still be very impactful with his bag of tricks. With that said, if your alliance wars are made up of teams that are strictly 5*s, I'm going to say certainly not without a reviver, and with a reviver, I think he'll be average at best instead of superior. There are many above-average heroes and better choices now to deliver harsher ailments so I think we've seen the last of Treevil in upper level alliances. I know a lot of people used to use him against titans too (I did) but now Tiburtus can retake that roll for many people needing a defence down ailment. I think SG has withered Treevil down to still being a good rush war hero at the 3* level only, which is where he should have started in the first place. Time will tell if I'm correct, and I'll keep my eye on this very closely to update everyone if I can get enough data still. What are your thoughts? Do you think the nerf is enough to make him irrelevant in wars or do you think he'll still be a good hero given the right conditions? Cheers, and thanks again for your question, I love to discuss these types of things and hear what others think too.

[@temposem]

@@ssnakepitgaminghello, thanks for the reply. I think SG was very aggressive in the nerf, I agree that in the 3* hero tournaments it will still have an impact. But in wars, I didn't know if it was worth using. SG has to realize that for many players to have a 5* hero is difficult and they often take these 3/4* heroes to improve what they lack. I can understand why they balanced the game but at the same time disappointed that they were too harsh on the nerf.

[@dbprice100]

Now that he has been nerfed I wonder if he will still be used as much.

[@ssnakepitgaming]

I don't think so but we'll find out shortly. My guess is that only the odd 1 or 2 will continue to use him, certainly not 10+ in a war. If I'm wrong I'll come back here and eat my humble pie!

[@unholywarrior9007]

How is he if you send in a Kalo with him?

[@ssnakepitgaming]

Great question Unholywarrior, I was asked this on the boards too. I'll look into that pairing and get back to you. Thanks for watching!