Biggest exploit in Path of Exile 2 so far (what happened?) - PoE2 #30

[@stststefan]

Thanks a lot for making it 3 min video. I was wondering what was happening, but everybody was trying to force me their 20m+ documentaries.

[@Empyriangaming]

Quick reporting. Bit late becuase the hotfix happened as I went to bed. Maybe I'll do more of these 'current event' type quick reports in the future. Thanks for watching!

[@Chayimm]

Guess new report content when they patch infinite crafting with instance crashes?

[@isoldmymumforrp5371]

The hotfix doesnt work, you can still do the instances in from the caravan xd

[@nouniquenameguy]

they should remove all the dupes ones

[@kippesolo8941]

@@nouniquenameguy My guess is they have no way to find out which are duped, so its likely not happening.

[@Tooamazin]

​@nouniquenameguy They aren't actually duped so it'd be damn near impossible for them to find them all in any good way possible plus the people that purchased them would need refunded what they paid else it would cause more harm than good to remove any.

[@Dinugujon]

Meanwhile, im over here like, wth is a temporalis lol

[@melissasven8087]

Temporalis is the chest that reduces your blink cooldown to zero - its why empy is just teleporting around everywhere instead of walking

[@taylon5200]

​@melissasven8087 thats not all it does. It reduces all cooldowns by 2-4 seconds. Can affect a lot of skills, like frost bomb.

[@whateverppl1229]

@@taylon5200 once you have it, you can make very broken and fun builds

[@Dinugujon]

@@melissasven8087 thanks! Wonder if you can make a blink warrior haha

[@qweewq-h7p]

Wth is you

[@saitamaonepunchman8176]

"why are they so cheap?" 30 divines and my ass over here with barely 10 ex xD

[@oen44]

Because you are not running Rarity gear. Market prices are aimed at people that do and have currency.

[@kevinvalentino1873]

They are relatively cheap now. They were 200 divines before this exploit

[@qweewq-h7p]

Pleb, tshhhhh

[@slimshady5167]

@@kevinvalentino1873 me who paid 220 divines for my temporalis:

[@jasonfortin773]

@@oen44 you aint gonna be rich with rarity if you are casual, im at 140h play time and i have 190% MF, still havent find a single divine orb. im in t15 map

[@Acemont]

Ah - exploits, PoB 2, Trade Macro 2, TradING, exploding whole screen with monk, and (soonTM) FilterBlade 2 - home sweet home. I love PoE.

[@S8n_501]

I don't understand why everyone keeps parroting "monk explode whole screen" when it's literally: any attack based build using heralds. lmao

[@alexandermaunsell9282]

​@@S8n_501not to mention spark being so golden on dps.

[@divinityai]

@@S8n_501 people like to hate everything that they think is better than their build. Also they don't need to think what is working or how expensive build/item is, they just hate for no reason. Welcome to poe2, where 70% of gamers hate the game.

[@Acemont]

@@divinityai ah yes - 170-300k+ daily players, only on steam, "hateplaying" poe 2. sure buddy.

[@chicomanara]

Wasn't even looking at the prices, because I put it on the "too expensive to even consider" pile.

[@NoxxiTheNoxxian]

After 110 hours of PoE2 and after managing to sell a few items and do some maps (I'm only around T8's) I'm here with 3 divine orbs lol and like 10 exalted. Meanwhile I see people with legit hundreds of divs and 50+ mirros, I have no fkin clue how people do these lol

[@TH-dg2mm]

@@NoxxiTheNoxxian Making money in PoE usually revolves around finding out which additional content is most valuable, then spamming the hell out of it. So a lot of people are doing breach, where their maps spawn additional breaches, clearing 4 breaches per map, getting 100+ breach splinters in a single map, then converting those splinters to currency. In this fashion you're functionally making 1 div per map in just splinters, then all the extra stuff that drops is giving u even more currency. I'm much more casual, I've been citadel hunting then converting the citadel boss drops into currency. They usually drop minimum 2 of the key things, which is like 4+ divines.

[@bluntx123]

@@NoxxiTheNoxxian Dang, I hope you are taking your time and having fun. You should be able to reach at least t10 after that many hours on 1 character.

[@NoxxiTheNoxxian]

@@bluntx123 I'm playing Monk and not gonna lie.. while I have some fun, melee is suffering lol. Flickerstrike is fun, but it's kinda bs I can still die to random AoE during it while my character is uncontrollable lol.

[@soft1k325]

​@@NoxxiTheNoxxianMeanwhile... The first character to hit level 100 is Monk invoker. Monk isn't that melee as melee can be. It's mid range I would say.. btw Invoker is OP RN not gonna lie. Just take your time and you will learn, learn a lot....

[@AbuEl-YedaReviews]

"32 divine is cheap" 🤦‍♂️🍺🛌 I thought i will get it for 1ex 😂😭

[@LazyPandaBum]

It's one Ghostwrithe, Michael. What could it cost, 2 divines?

[@hazaard_]

We are all waiting for the POB... This is great news, respect to the developer.

[@Valverde713]

Why is it GGG insists on forcing players you use third party tools for shit that should be in the game. There's no reason our character stats sheet shouldn't break down and list ALL of our characters stats. I'm new to POE and only know what POB is because of a friend that's a veteran player and I think it's down right ridiculous that the game client doesn't already provide you with a full stats sheet

[@happzy]

@@Valverde713 Dude with so many variables and clever mechanics that can interact with each other it would be impossible to put it all in the game. Thats why POB exist. You dont have to use it and some, even top players, dont. However it helps with planning, theory crafting etc. They pretty much solved the issue of outside trading with currency exchange+ trade site(though I wouldnt mind if trade site was ingame but thats a minor inconvinience.)

[@Synthwalk]

​@@Valverde713 There's two answer to your question: 1- "priority", GGG has 100% of their dev team working on things that are high priority and they never see a POB-like tool as something that needs to be prioritized so it sits eternally at the backburner, specially since the community made it already. 2- "greed", GGG understands that their game would greatly benefit from a POB-like tool and that the dev time would be worth it, however, they also understand that it would essentially be a money sink to create and maintain something that the community has been doing for free already, so they're ultimately choosing not to do it mostly for monetary reasons. at the end of the day doesn't matter what reason you pick, GGG is making the wrong choice because they're choosing to look at it from the wrong perspective.

[@Bararabew]

Cant wait for PoB2 to finally see how bad my character really is !

[@Damatovg]

I had no clue PoB was so close. Now I get to see how shitty my build is. Yay

[@ah-ys8gs]

When😮

[@LazyPandaBum]

When PoB2 releases, it's over for GGG. I won't even need to login to play PoE2 anymore xD

[@leederlee]

@@LazyPandaBum yeah it will be over for GGG no one will play POE2 anymore and they all gonna lose their jobs. some ppl here talk so much shit its unbelievable

[@LazyPandaBum]

@@leederlee Dude you ok? It's just a joke calm down lol

[@FerricFlame]

My favorite news station!

[@SwoleKitchen]

So having this item is basically like having an enigma? Without a teleport is not enabled.

[@BearedExile]

I'm one of those guys who farms The Last Flame 3 days in a row, and it finaly drops, we going on market and... omfg relics cost only 35 divs. Thanks GGG for this beautiful experience.

[@gogarash]

Всего. Ты не офигел. У меня еще не один диван не упал.

[@gregg9725]

And here I am the opposite side of the coin… afforded myself a nice 29div tempy last night. Wasn’t expecting to get one anytime soon or maybe at all. So by trickle down effect this exploit has benefited myself 😂

[@dekir6534]

The last flame just drops from Zarokh? Pure luck?

[@Lone_Wolf_91]

Cry me a river. tHaNkS gGg, so sad. Who cares dude. It's ea, get over it, shit and shit ppl happens.

[@heroicgoo915]

Love the format!!! ;O

[@nickmanz6987]

You make me laugh so much man, thank you empy for being you

[@jankols]

Now this is a content that we need the most.

[@gamefan6706]

Empy, how could yo... oh sry, force of habit

[@maggotthemadman8142]

They just need to add leagues for the beta as well. Maybe every time they add new ascendancies/classes add a new league mechanic as well and nuke all the jank from the previous beta stage like the GG items getting duped.

[@metamon2704]

This

[@stonic5]

Take my progress away and i will trash this genre till the end of time.

[@ranielyfire]

Do we know if there are gonna be realm resets or is new content just going to be added on top of the game as it currently is?

[@LuxAeterna42]

We start over when the game releases.

[@ezet]

Leagues are always a fresh start and most people only play those

[@rusduderus]

they shoulda realm reseted right after the fix of this bug, but they didn't, i wonder why? and you can still make new instances if you have a friend with an old instance... hmmm... why indeed...

[@Aziraphale686]

I'd argue that people abusing instance crashes to get perfect items is a way bigger problem than duping temporalises... temporalii?

[@popcorn32145]

Same. If they let me reset something then it isnt an exploit. They just didnt think of something.. lol

[@LazyPandaBum]

@popcorn32145 Dude it's still 100% an exploit. All exploits are the devs failing to think of something.

[@jakkrit6910]

yeah i miss pob already. it help a lot even for noob like me to find upgrade. it feel bad when you spend 10-20 div for new item and found that your old item is much better...

[@siccens6168]

I'm glad. Everyone should be able to have fun with temporalis rather than just the rich.

[@jc008titan]

3 days pob2?? THAT'S so great to hear!!!!

[@redrum2556]

thank god. wouldn't want the average player ever getting their hands on one of these

[@Isendyl]

The average player wouldn't profit from it anyway lmao Still wouldn't have the divines to buy it or the build to do it themselves

[@BalTaZar-o6i]

meanwhile, im here trying to get some exalteds for buy a everlasting amulet

[@wacco4932]

How to get exalts: Kill monster, get orb 👍

[@Nemesis1x1]

Must be nice to think 30 divs is cheap

[@Empyriangaming]

Compared to what it was before (100-250 div) it’s extremely cheap.

[@divinityai]

then go drop relic for like 200 runs and do no hit run with your relic, I bet you think it's pretty cheap. It's comparable bro.

[@Empyriangaming]

Not sure I understand.

[@NapFloridian]

​@Empyriangaming he is complaining about "You streamers" who play the game 10 hours a day for 6 days a week...and if play in groups at times. Yes it's a job, but don't compare a professional streamer drop "cheap item" to a normal person playing a game cheap...since cheap to us us 2 EX

[@doodliedie]

@@NapFloridian should they build the game around people who play 2 hours a week?

[@112aslann]

But the instance is only working for 10 min, so they did all the trails within 10 min?

[@foowii4421]

"Thats what EA is for" so true. What bothers me a lot more is seeing everyone playing Energy shield while my favorite Warrior still feels like a sheet of paper.

[@JayBigDadyCy]

My question is- how did anybody figure this out?

[@acr-d8j]

just thinking bro

[@petera1117]

How much would a hunters ruby of the phoenix go for I can’t find it anywhere.

[@tylerx2ez699]

there was an even bigger exploit 2 days before this that let you roll back any instance you wanted and dupe any items you wanted, crafters abused tf out of this and thats why theres so many BIG ticket items on trade for cheaper than they should be

[@juhumamamam3768]

Which items for instance?

[@tylerx2ez699]

@@juhumamamam3768 there a chrome extension for the trade site that shows similar items, idk what its from but that shows whats duped or not.

[@zacharyburden6998]

​@@juhumamamam3768top tier bows. You could roll back omen crafting and vaal.

[@ezet]

Hope GGG has logs. Fun to see the huge ban wave

[@drewalleman]

@@juhumamamam3768 any items, you could apply a currency item, then if you didnt like the outcome you could just crash the instance and you would have the original item back.

[@gasman555]

But this hotfix also made it impossible to create an instance if you are leveling a new character trying to enter the Trial for the first time. - at least on console. If you already have the waypoint unlocked, its not a problem. Its only a problem if you're starting a fresh character. The work around is to join a party with someone who has the waypoint unlocked, and unlock the waypoint yourself.

[@devilgrass310]

It's not fixed. It's still happening

[@99ownage9]

I’m glad they did this, make stuff more affordable, I still won’t be able to afford one but hey, stuff shouldn’t be unattainable in trade league

[@SemigoHb]

I think there is an ongoing bug that allows you to rollback the moment when you slam a exalted/any currency to an item… Can you get more info about this too?

[@Worplele]

Sirgog made a video about it. /watch?v=Hl0rXpy37yo

[@quincestopher8892]

it doesnt work with exalts or divines but it did work with vaals

[@barryk3088]

They need to make it so if you create a new instance your town portal closes!

[@JtotheDoubleL]

and people still getting their items stolen, which seems like a bigger deal to fix than this but thats just me

[@theMagos]

Stop using 3rd party addons/overlays

[@TheMortiaris]

In Poland you can buy currency for real money somethink like 600ex for 18 dollars, and offers are infinite to tausends stock, so game is already boted like poe 1. In poe 1 its same i even mail about it years ago to GGG but they dont care

[@gregg9725]

You can buy currency everywhere, for every game like this. And that isn’t going to change anytime soon unless these gaming companies actually do something about it and manually ban people. Their automated systems have not ever worked

[@Empyriangaming]

Nothing to do with Poland and this is against the terms of service and can get you banned

[@stonic4467]

they dont ban buyers, i buy currency in every single mmo i play at the start to boost my progression. i bought 5 divs here too. where there is trade and progress to be made there is demand. where there is demand people will always supply.

[@divinityai]

@@stonic4467 how do you know that? GGG bans "buyers". I don't recommend you risking your account for something like 5 divines, which you can earn in half of day just mapping.

[@uaShadow1]

@@divinityai no they never ban "buyers" and they never will. Those buyers are the most important dudes for ggg and u dont want them to be out of ur game.

[@RyanJones0707]

Oh goodie I'll finally be able to see if gore spike it giving me enough damage to pain through playing bloodmage

[@trikster22]

i bought this temporalis robe for 65 divine yesterday and today i log in, my char is on act1 normal difficulty, i got all my equipment gone jewel, flask melting maelstrom, currency etc.. even the temporalis itself is just gone.. i don't know what happen, pls somebody explain this to me.

[@hehehey123]

hacked bro

[@BossDemo]

So what if someone did this normally, can they check the persons run and find out ? or are they getting banned regardless ? New player over here so just wondering how all this works

[@nvstyblv]

Few peoples are able to do this normally, everything in the game has backlogs so if someone managed to generate X times this kind of items its very easy to get a hint

[@bee_cooler]

Oh it's far from the "Biggest exploit". Duping with 100mirrors/week is still going strong.

[@happzy]

Thats why its early access. Im actually glad they found this exploit now.

[@dddmemaybe]

I think he gets banned account if he talks about exploits they haven't fixed yet. It would allow a massive wave of people to exploit, break tos, get banned, makes the game suck. It makes sense.

[@kurtsaidwhat]

Where is the dupe? I don’t see enough mirror tier items for there to be dupe

[@dsdsadadsa]

there is another bug with the caoss exams but currently only works on steam haha there are also about 30-50 divs per hour :D apparently nobody has figured it out yet or it's not public yet

[@crazyazura7564]

then how you can even report an exploit if you should be banned just for writing about that on the forum, BS - beside ea characters arent going into final release standard league anyway, this is also a slap toward people who wanted help and report, also warn other people about no using game-breaking bugs.

[@yamamotogenryusai7270]

it's early acces and I'm glad they fixed this b4 the full release.

[@sebotuna6230]

guys where are some of my Res in the negative i dont get it

[@CommitJungle]

Biggest exploit for sure have been rollback crafting + corrupting

[@zelarian]

Announcement came out saying it was pushed back to the 13th now.

[@Empyriangaming]

The top comment has been edited to reflect this (when the announcement came out)

[@Kaktanternak]

I'm so glad I play ssf. There's always a ton of fuckery on trade

[@junk3996]

oh interesting, i was wondering what that hotfix was about

[@stonic4467]

lmao anyone else pay a div for 4th acen carry only to realise they were just duping the instances lol.

[@anarchy-wz4qx]

this is why we need early access leagues. No mechanics but fresh start. A few more nerfs/buffs and they add some new content, fix some exploits. IF EA is a year maybe do 3 or 4 leagues.

[@avopeac6300]

200iq move would've been to hoard them and sell them over time

[@Empyriangaming]

A lot of people are doing this

[@Antidepressiva1980]

@@Empyriangaming These plebs will get perma banned too sooner or later.

[@AmerAmer-ti7bp]

That's will be funny if they let temporalis in game but nerf it. Changing the stat. So she become useless . And ban all people who had use exploit of course. :D

[@CyrusBlack404]

ofc there are other exploits ... you can crash instance rollback .

[@barncagkanyldrm4618]

Do you get banned if you buy cheap now ?

[@warwar5175]

of course not, the most they can do is change the thing itself to close some of the vulnerabilities that are made with it

[@jpppptrade]

you have any logic in your 10 iq brain ?

[@barncagkanyldrm4618]

@@jpppptrade why so mad ? Take a few steps out of ur basement and take ur anger out of ur mommy

[@stanyeo6650]

Bro even got that banger BBC news music on

[@thekernel577]

Bought one for 8 divine sold it couple minutes later cause couldn’t meet sprit requirements

[@shhhh5622]

imagine his team group now

[@karnap9905]

good news episode. Please do more like that

[@TheSacredMaster]

They are still being generated. XD

[@Slicceryth]

They're now 4-10 div

[@mattbrown570]

Spicy sushi still hasn't addressed the allegations...

[@haagenti1972]

so basically the most broken item in POE2 was double exploited

[@KGUYDOG]

I'm ready for a reset.

[@dante5526]

I guess now I can afford a temporalis, thats pretty good news!

[@parkkyle6812]

GGG는 이 상황의 심각성을 못 느끼고 있다 유저들이 대거 이탈하고 있어.

[@mike_datpseudo]

it's fixed dude....

[@Kost3kPL]

Thats why I was able to buy it. Got it for 20 div 😅

[@tevlar]

I saw 20 Mahuxotl shields come up on live search the other day form same seller.

[@elvispudliszki]

It`s not exploit, it`s feature.

[@charlesgentry3758]

Why not make the drop like .10% drop rate? Instead of 100%. Now it's inconvenient for farming this.

[@seedmole]

ssf players like: 🍿

[@gus3143]

Empyrean, so you telling me you didn’t?

[@FloriMori-yy7jw]

Why are you reporting it now instead of when it wasnt patched?

[@Empyriangaming]

I’m reporting ON it, not reporting it.

[@FloriMori-yy7jw]

@ Oh in that case thanks for the Video. What would we do without it…

[@Empyriangaming]

No problem

[@keldon1137]

The thing is, second method is still not patched.

[@-__Shadow__-]

Ngl i dont care if they are cheaper. I cant stand people that set things for ridiculous prices most people will never be able to afford.

[@divinityai]

do you understand HOW it's acquired. It's like saying why car is not cost 20 bucks? Maybe because parts of it cost more?

[@-__Shadow__-]

@divinityai do you understand when I see there are 10000 items and they are all selling for 30 divines. How one would think it's not as rare as people pretend it is and price fixed it at? Or we gonna pretend price fixing is good for the game. When most people have trouble even finding a divine to upgrade their gear with. A few botters and streamers with broken builds is not the majority.

[@divinityai]

@@-__Shadow__- go sleep you are drunk.

[@-__Shadow__-]

@divinityai nah. I'm tired of people setting insane prices because their ego and unrealistic expectation of everyone else when they have expensive magic find gear that 95% of the players can't afford. Getting like 8+ div a map because they juiced to an insane degree with 400+ mf. When most people dont even have 50 magic find in their build. The only one whose drunk here is you. Drunk on ego and echo chambers. Most people go 90+ hours maybe finding 1-3 div if they are lucky.

[@LaymensLament]

since you made the video temporalis doubled in price :o

[@Immusama]

While it might suck currently for the market it is a good thing this comes to light while in EA. I still enjoy the game, if someone has an issue with that you can always play SSF

[@saulocavalcante7558]

SSF is the answer for majority of POE problems

[@manwevala1]

@@saulocavalcante7558 for antisocial introverts yes

[@jasonfortin773]

@@saulocavalcante7558 problem, poe is one of the worst SSF experience in any arpg, unless you play 12h a day and know all the subtility of crafting etc (which i barely understand after 7k hours of poe)

[@xBlacky369]

@@jasonfortin773 Then youre doing something wrong lol 7k hours and learned nothing about crafting, thats not the games fault, its yours.

[@MrBliss4671]

Surely at some point we are going to get a hard reset for everything with all the exploits and extra items that are circulating that shouldn’t be there. Easier to wipe everyone or set up a second “new game” realm with the fixes. Let people jump into a new realm free of this bullshit

[@ezet]

There will be leagues. The standard will be an absolute mess, that's the way it just is even with PoE 1. It will accumulate all the loot and legacy items from the leagues so the market will be completely bonkers. That's why most people only play leagues

[@MrBliss4671]

@@ezetI think that will include myself, I don’t want to play with all this shit saturating the market

[@cuttylue]

Any ideal how I get one for Ps5? Asking for a friend 😏

[@Empyriangaming]

Get a last flame relic and do a no hit run. Or buy one on trade after someone else did.

[@cuttylue]

@ Thank you 💯💯💯

[@TH-dg2mm]

I'm pretty tired of enjoyable games being destroyed by RMT/bots/hacking

[@Antidepressiva1980]

play ssf, trading is for noobs

[@keldon1137]

​@@Antidepressiva1980 Imagine telling someone to enjoy the game in different way than they enjoy it. Not to mention devs literally saying that game is designed and balanced around trading. Then whole gatekeeping of not ssf=noob. Going by your logic you could call SSF players noobs who cant play with economy and trading.

[@Antidepressiva1980]

@@keldon1137 I'm a happy ssf noob who can't trade and refuses to participate in ingame economy bs drama. I want to immerse myself and have fun. You do you though.

[@keldon1137]

@@Antidepressiva1980 its perfectly fine to do that but its also extremely weird to gatekeep/insult other playstyles.

[@tichuzerstorer1234]

Nice Video!

[@furlough2327]

We desperately need an Asia server and region block

[@LucienZeroOne]

Yep 97% of the time i trade its with some sus chinese guys...

[@xAndrzej42]

Glad that's not my problem. Final version will most likely be free of these and all progress you did here won't matter at all

[@Empyriangaming]

Yep

[@UgyBoogie]

ok brudi

[@Muji-Exempt]

I just bought one for 43 divines. i guess i am getting banned

[@Bmacthesage]

I had no idea this was happening. Absolutely crazy

[@ohhkennny766]

doubt they will get nuked but will prob nerf temporalis itself so rip the ppl who bought with 200+ divs lol

[@Lee-22]

People are really duping, hacking accounts, and buying currency on third party sites for real money on a EA game 💀that’s actually depressing

[@ScarlettKeiDucusin]

RIP to people who bought or hurdled those tempo 😂😂😂 they have no idea they will be dragged down with all those exploiters selling those stuff 🤣

[@AdrianDWolfe]

Thank god theres no PVP in this game 😅

[@jibbs121]

they literally fix nothing you still can do this exploit

[@Haze_E1]

PoB2 hype

[@aleksandyrveliki162]

They are still selling the Temporials having hundreds in stock " GG" " hotfixed my ** if you dont leave the game the hotfix may not apply i cant comprihend any ather way for those people to still pring armours.

[@firelordkushroll]

almost 3 weeks with no announcement or updates. a 1 line patch doesnt count. this is a terrible release.

[@sir_quirkus7206]

Idk that doesn’t seem that bad. That takes alot of time to just get to the boss….

[@snaker9er]

Not with a temporalis lol

[@_Aynix]

Just nerf Temporalis to oblivion so you dont need to delete them 4Head

[@Osiris261]

i got a better solution.. remove blink from the game.. and let people keep their body armours.

[@mattpili]

so mirrors are 31.5 divs, cool!

[@Empyriangaming]

That’s what the trade site thinks lmao it’s way out of date. Mirrors are like 200-300 div range for the past week or so

[@ButwhyBlue]

but why know? i read about this like 1 week ago.

[@Empyriangaming]

Ggg was on vacation I guess

[@megadeth116]

Waiting for the next week's report. Alongside a normal video.

[@Treayom]

35 divines "for cheap" 😂 Meanwhile I'm lvl 79, +150hrs in and I haven't found a single divine 😂😂

[@Ccubed92]

Lol sheesh I found 3 to 4 my first play through then took me 100 hours to find me 5th

[@doodliedie]

150 hours to get to level 79 is crazy, so it makes sense that u havent found divines yet

[@Treayom]

@@doodliedie I may not be the best at a videogame but I am happy and unlike you I have no need to make fun of people behind my keyboard to feel good about myself .

[@doodliedie]

@@Treayom u're misreinterpreted what i said... And if u think me saying that is making fun of u than idk 😐

[@Gudhak]

Anyone got an extra temporalis they dont need? Asking for a friend.

[@tharatepwaraphaskul985]

Temporalis Silk Robe 1 divine orb for now too cheap bro