DJI vs Bosch vs Pinion: Unbelievable Difference!!

[@ARPost-kn2jl]

As a bosch gen4 owner, I am mainly interested in how all products perform over a 5yr+ lifespan, and how chain and gear wear handles more torq. Dont care about dragraces. My gen 4 almost always runs in ECO and almost never in turbo. less noise is always nice.

[@szyszkojad666]

What's also important when buying an e-bike is the motor-battery pack warranty service because nobody wants to wait 6 months to get their bike back from the service.

[@MRhankylolka]

im using my bosch only in turbo. every time i come back with 1-15 percent battery. my first was broken on 7k km. second was broken on the screw by frame switch 10k km.my third motor still live 9.8k km. 630wh batterys are great

[@zayon0170]

just change bike evry 2 year, you absically spend less in keeping everything in place XD at least for me that i do more "downhill" style ride, rather than trail/cx/enduro jopkes aside, u def have a good point

[@MikeTriz]

They haven't invented time travel yet but if you figure it out please let us know how those test results turned out.

[@TschingisTube]

You should buy bosch gen2, its for you!

[@DaleStone]

This was a super interesting watch, thanks for taking the time to explain everything in such detail to clearly outline the pros and cons of each system! 🙌

[@jarosawrzepecki]

Bosch CX gen4: After a year of using this drive, I am very happy with it. I had no technical problems with it. The mobile app allows you to easily adjust the assistance programs to your needs. You can set overdose assistance if you like, but also such a very discreet one that when you exceed 25 km/h you almost don't feel the engine turning off. I am only so-so with the navigation built into the Kiox 300. Theoretically, it does what it is supposed to do, but it is far from smooth use. It needs refinement. The additional alarm/wireless "key" built into the Kiox 300/GPS tracking from Bosch is a very good additional option in my opinion, which requires the purchase of the Flow+ service in the subscription. I was only surprised that some of the statistics related to training are only available after purchasing the Flow+ service. I thought Flow+ was about security.

[@guyhendo]

How much power is enough power? I think we’re reaching the limit of what anyone needs. Personally I’d value robustness and reliability of a motor system waaaaaaaay ahead of power. Time will tell with the newcomers!!

[@Chwizzy]

I want uncontrollable wheelies!

[@cheeeeeeeef]

Been thinking about this a lot recently, with all of the Amflow vids plastered over YT. Don't get me wrong it looks great fun, but I own an ebike to get further afield (and maybe tackle some fun techy sections), not bast on turbo non-stop. I rarely ever hit turbo, because its not the same sport imo. Innovation is great, but lets see it impact the prices pls.

[@dishc532]

Bro, you forgot about traditional transmission guys) who need some help from e-friends to be towed uphill))

[@mlee6136]

Dji drones are incredibly reliable and have very high build quality. I would not worry about their build quality…. I would worry about their support system which would probably be not great.

[@Scomelbasses]

@@mlee6136the demand on an MTB is far greater than the demand from a light weight drone. DJI durability is completely unknown as it relates to e-bikes.

[@whatisgoingon999]

A range test comparison would be interesting - how many metres of vertical in boost - I imagine the DJI will run out of juice fairly quickly

[@CarkeekW]

800 wh option in the dji will help as does the 4-5kg less the bike system weighs , also if you dont use full power it comes down to motor efficiency instead and i suspect its very good , all that said it would make a fantastic video for sure.

[@RobHill00]

I was at Coed Y Brenin in Wales when The Don from GMBN was on the Amflow we both did the same trail which is around 20km and both used 40% battery, my bikes got the Bosch CX gen 4 with a 750 battery and my bike weighs around 27kg, I’m also a heavier rider than Neil, not sure which mode he used but I was in auto the whole way, pretty sure he did it a lot faster than me as well. I can just go and change a battery but he put the Amflow on charge using the fast charger and it was back to full in around 30/40 mins, enough time to have lunch!👍🏻

[@eaze7324]

In a German review (ride better bikes) he did a range test on the amflow and came to the conclusion that he got similar far in the amflow than with a Shimano or Bosch, but also in turbo (850w), meaning that it is actually more efficient and if you ride trail, which is Shimano boost bosch turbo you'd get more range out of it

[@philseton5796]

@@eaze7324 Yes the data I have seen so far suggests the DJI wins on every level. It's a big wake up call for every manufacturer out there

[@nickolp-it7bo]

Game over!! I'm pretty sure DJi will be capable of making a reliable motor, like most brands I'm more interested in how it copes with the UK's weather, this is the real test. I've never had a problem with my current brose or Bosch in my rail and Shimano in my Merida, but I maintain after every ride. If I were in the market for a new ride the Amflow would be it.

[@shaneycarter8803]

The dji has a 2 year warranty, like any other quality brand out there. They have selected only a few quality retailers to supply and support their product. This is already a hugely significant manufacturer of quality and reliable products, used throughout this format and many others. Obviously they have done their due diligence with research, development and marketing, with regarding their project. They have built a bike from scratch to showcase their abilities. This alone is incredible. A new bike and motor that simply blows everything existing away. I'm sure they will support this and grow what they have done. A trail bike again makes far more commercial sense than a full fat Enduro. More people ride trail bikes than anything else in this sector. I've ordered one and can't wait. I have no concerns over both reliability or support 👍😊

[@Jasonmountainbiker22]

Troydon from Crestline hinted the Bosch will get a power upgrade next year. And the display will obviously be upgraded too. DJI has certainly given the competition a shake up.

[@philseton5796]

@@Jasonmountainbiker22 Bosch will need to and quickly

[@ThiagoMarquardt]

Gearbox is the future! Waiting for bosch creates their own gearbox

[@MrSupermugen]

Maybe for botique brands but not for main stream big brands

[@peroperic3692]

They have it paired with Rohloff Speedhub and Gates Carbon Drive

[@polska905]

They realy are not, way to inefficient, you realy do feel the drag on it, take one for a rip and you will notice it right away...

[@ThiagoMarquardt]

@@polska905 I use rohloff, sturmey archer, Alfine since 2005. Far better solution than any cassete based solution. For ebikes the benefits are bigger Future for ebikes is gearbox. Hub motors were mainstream and after some good mid drives motors, this is the new top level standards. Gearbox will be the same. ZF soon will show their own mgu too.

[@The.JZA.]

I'm most excited about the Pinion MGU, but not this one, the one 5-10 years from now when they get it fully ironed out.

[@MinskUK]

Doh! I’ll be 66 or 71, I’m not sure my knees can wait 😂

[@xxwookey]

@@MinskUK Yeah. I've got the same issue. Not sure I can wait 5-10 years! I love the MGU+belt concept too, but that whine sounds pretty annoying too. Guess I'll have to try it.

[@viperwizard]

Coming from a Bosch Race motor and now riding the Nicolai MGU, I will not go back again. Yes there is some more noise but I really don’t care. Love the system, smart shift is really cool and no more maintenance is a big bonus. Do like to give the DJI a go to see hoe that works but think you need to change chains all the time with so much power. 😅

[@TschingisTube]

What did you do against the loud crack sound when it changes from fourth to five gear? Drove it at Eurobike 2024 and it sounded like its broken when being new.

[@viperwizard]

@@TschingisTube nothing as it is designed like that so nothing to worry about. Can understand that someone thinks it is broken but that is not the case.

[@grillob3]

Cant' wait to see a good bike brand with DJI. I will buy it for sure!

[@davefreeman9347]

Incredible performance from DJI but as you said Rob it’s part of the story still lot of unanswered questions such as reliability, water ingress etc plus how the bike rides some people won’t want all that power and I still think people will plump for the Bosch due to the options of bikes out there using the motor but credit where credit is due DJI have knocked it out of the park with the whole package, just make sure you have a back stock of chains and cassettes as you will burn through them in no time 😂 great review though Rob 👏

[@_rhapsodist]

that is for sure, it will eat up chains and cassettes much faster than any other bike

[@grantnewby3756]

The DJI and Pinion MGU setup together would be the go for power and durability. Chains and cassettes are expensive and will surely offset the extra cost of a gearbox over time.

[@vidibites]

The video everyone has been waiting for 😮❤

[@kirkbar]

Rob, excellent review as always, appreciate the honesty and can't wait for more!

[@tbolende]

Rob, love that you are including the weight / kWh metrics. Great video!

[@chrisulrich4141]

Perfectly optimized test setup for DJI's 30s boost mode.

[@canieto1]

Rob, I think I’ve commented this like at least 20 times on your videos, but your channel is so good! Really appreciate the hard work you put into these

[@jeanmarc_in_Hudson]

Wow! Such a great comparison of motors, your comments just reflecting reality for each, good and bad. How did you manage to have these three contenders simultanously, just Wow! Three great bikes too… Congratulations Rob! 👍

[@finroddd]

Probably unintentional but this is massive advertising for DJI - and I do not mind at all! It looks like really, really good product. I very much expect the long term review.

[@supervelomantrek7015]

But no one talk about the avinox frame….stiff….flex….

[@miaumauz3884]

Climb time from dji without boost mode?

[@BryceLovesTech]

Just for ease of maintenance I’m saving up for a belt drive system. I hate derailers and chains.

[@SonnyDarvishzadeh]

I have never ridden a bike with belt, but having both light motor and heavy duty ebikes, I would have gone with the belt on the high torque ebike. When torque is high, the chain system is crunching and I have to constantly dial down the power to shift. Maybe SRAM's new RD that shift better under load is a better choice? But belt bring a peace of mind in general I reckon.

[@jbonexc1725]

I love your Vids Rob and this one is very helpful. Almost 1 Million subs!!!! Finger crossed you hit it soon!

[@emile345]

The concept of the Pinion MGU is the future. Combining the gearbox and motor into one unit has so many advantages. This is the first version, I'm sure it'll only improve over time.

[@bluestraycat]

Surprising results...the DJI was much quicker than I thought it would be. I like how you gave a balanced run-down of each system rather than just saying "this one's the fastest"

[@milocuevas]

looking forward for the standalone review of the amflow

[@ivans6905]

The review everyone was looking for!

[@philseton5796]

Staggering performance from the DJI but also at a competitive price. It must be terrifying for manufacturers now with the goal posts moving so far. Imagine spending 2 years developing your new bike with the latest Bosch motor to have a new company that nobody knew was developing an ebike and motor system showing up and smashing the power figures. Not having the "best motor" will make sales hard if there is a plentiful supply of cheaper more powerful and desirable DJI bikes available. This is the start of a major power struggle and I wouldn't mind betting there will be casualties along the way.

[@r00kiet80]

Dji doing that with all industries rn drones without any competition, cameras with dji pocket 3 and action 5 pro killing all competition and now ebikes kinda crazy tbh

[@mattjax16]

Dji is super sus the more you look into them

[@e_mtb]

Apart from power and price point, from now on people also compare the weight and it will be hard for brands to sell ebikes with 25-26kg, which have never been very agile, but their marketing was trying to convince us still... yeah, there were full power bikes with this weight before, but DJI is in another league of prominence, so I definitely appricate it, it will be beneficial for all of us in the future

[@drill_fiend1097]

​@@mattjax16DJI being heavily subsidized and held by Chinese govt? Old news.

[@fzr1000981]

Reliability is still unknown and it seems overboosted. Too much e not enough me....Bosch works fine

[@chillstep4life]

The DJI bike is going to shake up the eMTB market for sure

[@greenfishpinkowl]

You've gone one better than Sam with this one!

[@dude770725]

Very good comparison video of the most interesting systems out there at date! 👍🏻👍🏻

[@lars_atx]

Have you had the chance to ride the ZF system? I waited, and am super interested in the DJI system when I saw it announced earlier this year. great job again.

[@davidloucks9149]

Rob should have done the hill test with the DJI in the regular 105 Nm mode as the boost is only good for 30 seconds. It would still be faster but not by as much. For many of our big rides here in BC, one has to manage the battery for range considerations and the big boost power is not used on those rides. The DJI must be burning the battery that much faster in its higher power modes.

[@fredEVOIX]

5813ft of ascent on 26miles because I didn't have more time and it was a test rental for a future ebike purchase bosch gen4 mullet 2.6" tires 170mm I quickly went from tour to eco on the climb as I saw the battery go down fast (I'm heavy 220lbs) I never used turbo and used emtb 3x for like 10s tops on 30% or more ridiculous uphills ended up with 25% battery left and it's not too much because I can do that kind of mountain ascents on legs already if that's all I can do with a motor I have zero interest in ebikes, I did 87miles 6076ft on legs once (good day) so my targets are pretty high and more power is useless to me 85nm already made the wheel start slipping on a 2.6 tires with motorcross like tires on emtb mode, didn't even try turbo no point other than drain the battery faster

[@wrongusername]

Interesting video! When's the LCE930 video coming? Edit: Wheres bafang? This seemed almost like a DJI sponsored video. And DJI and influencers have a track record of doing paid promotions without disclosing them

[@ethanfoster0]

Great balanced review Rob! DJI definetely takes the win here, with the power it provides the rattling noise seems like a minor issue..plus a really good build! would love to get my hands on it one day!

[@ichdermeisterful]

Very nice test, but what I'm really interested in is how the downhill performance of the DJI compares to the Orbea? A powerful motor isn't everything if the rest isn't right. A comparison would be really cool.

[@misty671]

Nice to see something new. Maybe it gets Bosch to speed up their improvement cycle.

[@mikeoxley9796]

The power level of the current Bosch, Brose, and Shimano is totally fine. Refine the experience, add range and efficiency, and make them reliable and user serviceable and we're good. It's a slippery slope going with more and more power. Not a fan of these overpowered ebikes.

[@SsmAnyfeSt]

Yeah, there are some surrons for people that only want power without using your quads at all... Where I ride, we dont have any fireroad, only nice built singletracks so that much power is useless anyway.

[@ericpmoss]

Agreed. If I want an e-motorcycle, I'll get one.

[@TschingisTube]

It ways 4kg less then any other full e-bike, its not just the power, its the full setup!

[@SsmAnyfeSt]

@@TschingisTube yeah but they should just do a less powerfull one with even more range and maybe even lighter...because ebike as powerfull as surrons, will really get it banned everywhere (in usa and canada anyway)! You know as much as me how people will ride this thing.... some are already dangerous with the ebikes that we have now, imagine with that much power.

[@cphun2]

So we tall riders need at least 80 deg seat angle for DJI motors. :) Thanks the videos Rob. Keep it up.

[@TysyTube]

i was waiting for this❤️

[@gazwagon4843]

Another great review, will be interesting to see how the DJI performs long term.

[@pauls1128]

Would suggest you read about the difference between torque (Pinion top) and power (DJI top) - it completely explains your observation about the Pinion being great at slowly climbing up steep and technical hills vs the DJI being the king of climbing quickly. Pinion system is tuned for high torque and DJI for power. Torque is what you feel in the seat of your pants in acceleration, power gives a high speed!

[@sretlawgerg]

Need the dji with a belt drive 💪🏼

[@_rhapsodist]

but then you can only use a heavy hub shifter with limited gears..

[@BryceLovesTech]

@@_rhapsodistNope add a gearbox too, that’s the future

[@blakkpatron]

​@@_rhapsodistcouldn't a lightweight gear hub do the job? It's not like you need 12gears on a ebike

[@johngreason9964]

If DJI offers a spare motor parts type website, with exploded diagrams for ordering and servicing the motor. They will be crowned king. For now. Don't forget, ZF hasn't had their chance yet, and unlike DJI, ZF will be available in North America. Interesting. Obviously, the DJI takes the win here. But personally, if price and possible serviceability were matched, I'd take the Saturn home. Some benefits are obvious. The not so obvious, I'd bet it's a better tech climber. Also, it's likely better on the downhill. Lastly, back country or just general big mile traversing, Saturn. Not to mention, the Saturn is unapologetic, industrial, and just awesome to look at.

[@Morphose777]

I wish some one would run this same test against the Luna cycle x2 with ludicrous

[@dirtyoffroader2093]

I wear out tyres and components quick enough with 85nm.. dread to think what the DJI motor will eat through. 😂

[@MRhankylolka]

dji is for dirty dan tires))

[@certifiedlawnpros]

The news sram transmission was designed with e-bikes in mind. I actually prefer the previous gen sram with a standard bike

[@iconaan]

I’m curious how the chain and other components will hold up with the incredible power of the DJI motor. I hope it won't be a repeat of the Haibike story, which had the Flyon HPR120Nm motor and experienced many failures - chains, cassette wear, etc.

[@hassebir]

The Pinion with DJI power in an affordable 180mm travel alu frame and its christmas :)

[@nickclarkuk]

I’d love to see big brands develop bikes around the DJI system.

[@philseton5796]

@@nickclarkuk it won't be long

Have been waiting for so long for such a powerful motor. Hope that Amflow come up with a longer travel version of the bike, which is what I would definitely buy. However, I heard Troydon from Crestline saying on a podcast, that the new Bosch motor will get a software update in the coming months, boosting torque to 100-105Nm, that would be interesting

[@emtbhookes]

Not sure how I feel about more power than 80-90NM. Should eMTBs be closer to a mountain bike or closer to an emoto? 🤔 trail access is already a hard subject for eMTBs. If eMTBs become too powerful we could all loose access to some areas.

[@NW-ENDURO]

The dji looks awesome very good reviews on the motors

[@svenball5384]

I really hope the other brands now start thinking of developing their USP. Standardized motor fixation over generations, repairable units, flex battery options.

[@DSC800]

I ride a Trek Rail with an 85nm Bosch, and a Haibike XDuro Yamaha before. I just wanted a little help, not a lot, up the hill now that I'm older & fatter with problem knees but that DJI 120nm is very tempting.

[@Chris-bg8mk]

The Sprague clutch in the Dji is really nice!

[@gingerb36]

Seems like Bosch’s new motor is a generation 1, version 5, and the DJI is generation 2. It’d be great to see the pinion mated to the DJI motor.

[@drewsmith6066]

Stunning bike that DJI , looks the part as well

[@camryn07]

This was awesome! Would be interesting so see the time for the Amflow in high setting, not the 30-second boost of demon mode it has.

[@bjorne46]

When Pinion fixes the noise in the next version, they'll be king. Also; No words on the backpedaling of the new Bosch? Chain moving with the cranks = easier to lube the chain. Then ofcourse, with the Gates on the Pinion it's no problem at all.

[@driten123]

I would like to see the DJI timed up the hill without the 30 second boost enabled. That would have been a more fair comparison since most climbs are way more than 30 seconds.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

You can just press it again for another 30 seconds. I haven’t managed to get it to not work despite several continuous activations

[@dansadventures5514]

​​@@RobRidesEMTB, this test is misleading as my climbs are at least 30 minutes and sometimes several hours when climbing bigger mountains. I can't press the boost button every 30 seconds as that detracts from the biking experience and even more so if I'm in the middle of a technical section when I would need the assistance the most. I would appreciate a more realistic comparison.

[@makro8218]

@@dansadventures5514I live in the mountains. Verry steep mountains and also difficult slopes. You don‘t have always to push the boost mode button. The Boost Mode brings only 15 Nm more Power. Standard power from DJI avinox is 105 Nm, that is definitly enough for big mountains. So this test is pratical an realistic.

[@dansadventures5514]

​@@makro8218if the boost mode isn't needed or expected to be used then the comparison should be done in a way that represents the real world otherwise it's misleading

[@makro8218]

@@dansadventures5514come on…. The boost push it up only 15 Nm. That is a little bit more power, but not the double ore something else. If is your question why was used the boost mode I ask why the other companies doesn‘t have it also? Thats not the trouble from DJI when other are „to stupid“ for it. And another thing, now I have a specialized, I didn‘t use all the time on every ride the full power…. Power is good to have, but it is unrealistic to use it always.

[@MrMeheheh]

The setup on the Nicolai is pretty unique, WT, intend, certainly not generic.

[@jamesfeltham1250]

Good video. When you do the noise tests again please give us a bit of your voice on the bike so we have a reference for how loud they are. Thanks.

[@_rhapsodist]

good point!

[@romanrubaj2109]

Would be also fun to watch analog bike time to climb comparison with those ebikes

[@kellymoses8566]

ZF announced a really neat new ebike motor. It uses strain wave gearing to make it VERY compact.

[@epessoarocha]

Any of these models are amazing!!

[@martinsweeney9976]

This is like a Carwow video for E-bikes 😂

[@TheMitchForrest]

I’d really like to see the time in the top (non 30s boost) mode to see the comparison over a 5+ minute climb in a mode you can actually stay in.

[@dlowebiker]

If amflow comes out with some alloy versions count me in! Also a removal battery would awesome.

[@LevsRagasa]

Kudos to DJI for setting up the bar here for others to follow on their next gens. Just thinking with all that power comes with great wearability and tearability so lets see more consumer reviews in the next year and see how it goes.

[@pgson8929]

My feeling is the pinion is the most impressive step forward.

[@TschingisTube]

Until you drive one your own

[@Crockdaddy1074]

Was wanting to go all in on the pinion but that motor noise leads me to believe to wait til a Gen2 comes out.

[@FINNdeischgut]

09:32m Uff, that Pedal Kickback. The advantage of the freewheel play on the Bosch is that a small O-Chain is installed, which massively reduces pedal kickback. On my Mondraker Level I have no pedal kickback at all, although the Mondraker rear ends actually have quite a lot of pedal kickback. My E*Thirteen hub has a 6° engagement angle, so relatively little, and yet I have no pedal kickback at all, even when I fully compress.

[@sety409]

Only thing holding back the DJI is the fact that it’s on a trail bike. I’d love to see hard enduro spec

[@RobRidesEMTB]

Me too!

[@philseton5796]

@@sety409 It won't be long till another manufacturer has the DJI in a long travel Enduro chassis

[@Derek_72]

Be sure they last longer than the 30 seconds of ride time here.

[@stephenbarnes5850]

As always another great quality video Rob cheers,DJI motor package deffo on a nother level do you know anything about serviceability and after sale service for the UK and what happens when the warranty runs out will replacement motors be available wish they would be more transparent about all the things a lot of us would love to know before investing,do you have any insight cheers Rob.Always look forward to seeing new content keep them coming, thanks for all your hard work 😊💯

[@WasntMeMTB]

Would be great to do a descending race with these 3 bikes too

[@michaelking8586]

The dji is an interesting bit of kit for sure but how is it sold as 250w motor when it’s pulling 25amps to reach 1000w that makes it 500w nominal.definitely skirting the law which makes it even more attractive to me!😂

[@mtnman9462]

Would love your feedback on the downhill performance of these bikes and also the upgrades on the Amflow. I feel some play in the cranks is good for reducing pedal kickback a bit like an Ochain. Thanks for the great reviews. Really enjoy the channel.

[@RobRidesEMTB]

This is coming for sure.

[@f2performancelab]

Wish you would have also tested the DJI also on regular Turbo mode without the 30sec boost mode to get a comparison

[@RobRidesEMTB]

It’s easy to reactivate boost mode, so I thought it would be interesting to see it in the most powerful mode :-)

[@f2performancelab]

@@RobRidesEMTB any word/estimate from DJI of when they’ll be coming to USA market?

[@fredEVOIX]

@@f2performancelab 11 sept 2024 DJI Drone Ban Bill Passes House and Is Headed to the Senate if they ban drones bikes will follow because I believe they also have an integrated gps, if you didn't know every chinese company works for the governement in China it's not a democracy they can do it or "disappear" there are no alternatives no one is safe even ali baba billionaire boss went to a "re-education camp" for a month after he tought he had freedom and if that's not bad enough DJI like most tech companies work the for chinese military, and unlike what they lie about "DJI drones do not collect flight logs, photos, or videos - by default… DJI is not a military company." it's a fact that they log everything forever or an actual police officer (close to retirement) wouldn't have told me all surprised "I just found they stored all the flights I did on 4 different drone models for the last 5 years"

[@greglonnon]

Watching the video, I was really excited by the DJI power. But, the realization that trying to get more trails networks,, land owners, and governments to allow and support emtb seems to be much more important than having a 2x more powerful motor. The DJI bike climbs at unnature speed for most mountain bikers, thus making it harder to convince trail networks to allow them. While Rob says "next generation", motors like DJI might be detrimental to opening up riding areas for emtbs. A emtb that acts and behaves like a mtb, not a motorcycle.

[@blurglide]

Gearbox + belt drive is the future. E-bikes have a wide torque band, so someone should come out with a light, affordable gearbox with only 6 to 8 gears.

[@___Tom]

Great review, thanks!. Can you please compare the dji to the polini motor? I heard it is more powerful than the dji! Thanks!

[@StarsAtNight1]

What is the difference in Cadence rpm the motors support? Is there field weakening taking place to support higher rpm? Could be that some motors deliver more power when panddeling slower in a higher gear.

[@g.wilsondh8407]

Brilliant video Rob! really one that we wanted to see. For me, the perfect e-bike would be: - DJI's wireless controllers, screen and battery - Bosch's silence and power (DJI's seems really overkill) - Pinion's gearbox and belt. I will NOT buy an e-bike with a derailleur and cassette ever Guess I'll have to wait a year or two still

[@magnushartz99]

Would love to see what time the DJI would climb in regular high mode, not just the temporary 30s boost

[@matthewgabb5360]

Great vid - did you do a range test , comparing the more powerful dji unit ?

[@Jake-rb2hd]

I'd hate to see how long the drivetrain lasts with the DJI motor

[@fredEVOIX]

the lack of pedal slack is concerning because it means every bump jump drop you make is going straight into the motor, gears are solid but I still wouldn't hit them with a hammer all the time and that's what you would do with your weight on the pedals

[@joemama142]

My dentist is going to love this

[@utube091116]

i’m very happy with my Rapcon Pinion, yes i bit too noisy in 4th, but you’ll start liking it after a while as it’s the complete opposite of ratlin’clickin’ chain somewhere on the cassette pile! So pinion work on the noise and provide me of a mtb worthy controller! Who’s idea was it to put a joystick nobby on top ?! i glued a rubber ring around it for a longer life.And a 12V van charger would be nice. For when the chain/cass life test on the AmflowDji ..!?

[@TheJewelin]

I think it doesn't matter what is the power. Gearbox is the future especially for ebikes. Once the big manufacturers pickup on this, the tech will move forward fast and hopefully we will ditch mechs for good. Hate mechs on ebikes. Don't align it perfectly and the power of ebike will chew your whole drivetrain really fast.

[@jarosawrzepecki]

Maximum power: Comparing the power of motors in reviews also seems a bit strange to me. On longer trips, the battery does not allow for continuous riding in maximum support mode, so maximum power can be used occasionally, so it does not matter so much in the overall use. At the beginning of the eMTB adventure, playing with full engine power is very nice, but after longer use I personally try to use less support to have a good balance between fun and training. On full support (even limited to 25 km/h) the bike turns into an electric scooter, because the muscle input is marginal. However, I want a reasonable mix of engine work and my legs.

[@JasonFoxLCB]

Sweet fancy Moses those hill climb numbers!

[@nigelrandtoul8646]

Gearboxes are the future, especially when the sort of power of a dji produces starts destroying chains and sprockets. Pinion have been brave, let's hope the other manufacturers become as brave.

[@cameratool]

Why not use some power pedals to subtract out rider watts to more accurately determine motor watts?

[@Adromath]

also a question why the uphill is just around 30 seconds, what is quite the same time as the boost mode in DJI

[@PhilosoFox]

Now optimize the software to bring us uphill traction control that enables easy re-starts on super steep terrain from a complete stand still. It’s what I struggled the most with on my Shimano EP8 emtb. And optimize energy efficiency and system longevity. Ty!

[@markgrimshaw4761]

I noticed on the bosch that pedalling backwards actually reversed the drive train 👌 that's got to be a first ? 🤔 It's definitely true how quickly the dji will eat, not just chains but also the complete drive train. A huge and expensive problem

[@fernandom6811]

All that power and still all restricted to 25 km p/h 😂 😬

[@ilovephotography1254]

A great match would be to combine the DGI with the Rohloff hub and Gates belt on a Riese and Muller.

[@PGNogueira]

Lately, everyone on YT is trying to sell the Amflow and its DJI motor but no one makes a test range. I really see people getting excited with DJI’s turbo mode, then they ride around the block twice and return home to recharge the battery :)))) I'll leave the reliability tests to the early adopters who are the ones who always pay the biggest bill. There is something that I am already beginning to foresee with some concern. Soon we will no longer be able to take our bikes to the trails we love so much because they will be considered electric motorcycles. And still no one has remembered to mention the dangers of fire during the summer when we ride electric bicycles through the woods. I'm about to buy an Orbea Rise or Wild, I haven't decided yet - maybe the Wild because of the Bosch engine - but unfortunately I'm starting to think that I'm going to do this at a time when the law will start chasing us. Lots of regulation, conditioned access to trails and expensive insurance to name but a few. Exactly the same as what happened with drones. I hope I'm wrong.

[@willgreenfield]

As for range... i did a 31km ride in mostly turbo mode on a full 600wh battery on my Amflow the other day (weigh 70kg) Not loads of elevation, but a few steep climbs in the 30 sec boost mode etc... Finished the ride at about 3% battery. Once you get to 5% battery the assistance really drops off... The most fun bike ride i've had in a very long time!

[@PGNogueira]

@@willgreenfield My bike rides are usually between 45 and 50 km. The ascende varies according to the mood of the day :) I always try to do more than 500m. Now that I want to buy an e-bike, I don't want to do less. Rather the opposite. So I have to choose wiselly. Thank you very much for your testimony.

[@willgreenfield]

@@PGNogueira no problem! I think you should definitely be able to do that length of ride with the bigger 800wh battery and using the eco/trail/auto modes

[@PGNogueira]

@@willgreenfield Thank you once again.

[@fredEVOIX]

@@PGNogueira I'm 100kgs I ride a 120mm fully (with suspens lock) 14kgs muscular bike in 2024 I did 87km 1252km other than that I do the same as you for example 40-50km 0-500d+ I rented a bosch gen4 26kgs alu mullet 29-27.5 ebike and did 37.62km 1772d+ in 5h04 on which you can remove 15min of hiking because there was already snow at the summit and did the last bit on foot 750wh battery and I had 25% left ascent on road/gravel till 10% slope I did mostly on eco (above drained the battery too fast) 10-20% slope i did on tour 20% or more I used emtb but there weren't many of those (pedestrian hiking ascents not meant for bikes) I never used turbo don't see the point as I was falling backwards from the bike because of how steep some parts where and on emtb the tire already started slipping despite the massive motocross like 2.6t tires, except trying to do a backflip it would have been useless to have more power P.S. I was somewhat tired after that but nowhere near the strain and time it would have taken me without an engine, most of my fatigue came from the gigantic handlebar felt like riding a boat I cut all mine shorter

[@nomadic_dad]

Can't wait to watch this fully. Just starting 👍

[@christiantimmer9226]

Spoiler, DJI is fastest😂

[@nomadic_dad]

@@christiantimmer9226 haha I had suspected as much 😜

[@DarrellRussell-t4n]

I only want the motor for uplift service replacement. If I wanted loads of power I'd get an electric motorbike. Reliability and lightness (so I can pick it up) are my main concerns. Also starting to wonder about the state of the trails if people are turboing with mega power on these things - I've seen how Surron destroy them and don't really care if someone is pedalling or not if they have stupid amounts of power to wheel spin everywhere.

[@DarrellRussell-t4n]

But loving the video - great review