Enclosing A Timber Frame With SIP Panel Walls | Martha’s Vineyard | Ep. 4

[@ShelterInstitute]

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[@misiekxxx82]

I love you guys. For the first time since I've been interested in timber frame I heard clear explanation and guidance about gap between wall and roof panels. Respect for knowledge, commitment and overall great approach to the craft

[@adubbelde1]

A friend of mine is a SIP builder. I have watched him build with Timberframe. He uses panels by Extreme Panel out of Cottonwood Minnesota. They build panels as big as 8'x24' . He doesn't use any foam for assembly, He uses SIP specific caulk in a sausage tube. He orders his panels to spec and they fit like a glove. HE does Air seal testing and his houses are very tight.

[@MidnightMaker]

I have been dreaming of building my own timber frame/SIP cabin for years. This video blew my mind! Thanks for sharing!

[@reedhill9974]

I saw the shelter Institute a couple of years ago and thought it was pretty cool. Now I've been working in construction for the last six months, and I got to say: it's even cooler now that I have some experience. Solid work. Would love to see more series like this with different builds.

[@ShelterInstitute]

Thank you Reed!

[@kevinkidderphotographer]

Coming from the west coast, the whole SIP system is new to me. Thank you for this video and information!

[@rogerbettencourt9654]

Absolutely phenomenal craftsmanship. Thank you again for sharing.

[@daniell5302]

first comment! love you guys, online student looking forward to picking your brains in a couple years when I'm ready to build

[@mehmetyldz8500]

ohhhh dude :D

[@Moments4life365]

Great project. The wall system is more innovative than the floor. The floor is quite tranditional in this project.

[@numeroVLAD]

Gypsum, hand crafteted, crazy stories about deliveries. Idk if it worth watching this. Now automatic staple gun is a marvel. Love the hook into the meat.

[@opcn18]

Have you ever cut panels apart to examine how well your series of drilled holes compare to a bead of foam applied before the panels are slid together and screwed in place? It seems like a major opportunity for voids to exist in the foam chase.

[@fiendish67]

So, here I was lying in bed and couldn't sleep because I was wondering how to do accomplish what your video explains, especially the sheetrock issue, and this has been a conundrum of mine for 15 years. I can sleep again, thank you. Your videos are excellent! They are detailed and straight forward. I am also enthused about the course and hope to take it soon.

[@hjc355]

What a great company. Kudos from the UK

[@loudfast1261]

built a 3 story timber frame post and beam on the vineyard in the 1980s I see the delivery issues have not changed lol. Nice job guys.

[@B_U_Marco]

Was very curious about this part. Very insightful.

[@Grunt49]

Love all this info!

[@mehmetyldz8500]

hey bro ım from turkey yours is perfect job !! :D

[@drumzero]

I've watched a number of your timber frame projects.. very cool system... the crane.... I noticed on this video when the homeowner comes to the job and they are standing next to a column, I wondered if you sand all your material before it goes out? That column, (at least in this video) looks pretty smooth.....

[@ShelterInstitute]

We plane all of our timbers before sending them to the jobsite!

[@GenerationsLodge]

Great video! I did my first (and only) a couple of years ago, and needless to say, it would have gone a lot better if I knew what I was doing (and if I had someone to help me!).

[@jefflabrozzi9592]

Thanks for showing the detail.

[@ShelterInstitute]

Thank you for the watch!

[@scorpio6587]

9:55 Brilliant idea.

[@CarbonatedGrapeSauce]

What’s the size of the LVL being used for the sill plate? Curious what the ratio of foundation wall to sill plate overhang would be when choosing SIP thicknesses.

[@vasiliosvutsadakis5964]

Using LVL for the exterior sill plate is an expensive way to go about it. I am designing a cabin now and I am planning to extend the floor joists outside and use a simple 2x8 board as the exterior sill plate. Or maybe stack a second 2x8 on the first one.

[@daveshepherd7582]

Man that looks like fun!

[@robshadwick2445]

What about running strapping along the outside members of the frame - install the panels. Then using the strapping as a separator between frame and panel, giving you a way to tuck in the drywall.

[@gallachobaer]

great info, thanks for sharing!

[@kindredcouches]

I agree!

[@ShelterInstitute]

Thank you for watching!

[@NSResponder]

Your procedure of hanging full shieets before the SIPs looks highly efficient to me. Do you tape and mud the drywall after the SIPs go on?

[@rezzbuilds8343]

I was gonna ask if those timbers were green and you answered it. At the beginning I was wondering since the gypsum is attached the timbers do you guys ever run into issues with the gypsum cracking later on? I assume no but I also have no clue how much those timber’s actually shrink

[@Pasunreve212]

Thank you for the interesting video!! I'm wondeirng if you've ever had the experience of building a SIP-panelled house on a floating platform? Or if you have any recommendations on the type of timber structure to be used for a floating house?

[@Mdog-43]

Would cost more but could you use zip system and have it count as water barrier and sandwich foam rather than sips?

[@RickVonSloneker]

Love the video but wondering if SI has ever tried a liquid WRB on a build. Obviously this would have to be applied once the panels are all in place ... but this housewrap looked to have a lot of wrinkles and seams, and the penetration from the meat hook.

[@mattmarcoux]

Lots of knowledge bombs dropped in this video :)

[@maximwhocares9575]

Real nice, but I didn’t see caulk on the sill shoe. Do you have holes there as well and fill with foam?

[@razvanmarian6390]

[@charlesbelser158]

Do you have any videos installing SIPs horizontally across beams that already have the toung and groove pre- attached from the factory showing how you keep from dinging the T&G?

[@LucidDreamer54321]

Why do you need the timber frame?

[@keeganmitchell1175]

Why do you foam the walls before running wires through your electrical chases? Also when installing the 2x material into the window and door openings are you foaming these 2x's in?

[@ShelterInstitute]

Great question! We foam the walls because that is a part of panel installation. After we foam the walls we clear the chases with a pipe. We do foam the window and door bucking to each other and to the panel.

[@josemamertobacani6498]

I think its only one week everything is done “Amazing”😮

[@kindredcouches]

Could you guys build a timber frame house on the moon and make a video series about it? 10/10 would watch.

[@ShelterInstitute]

It is currently on the docket.

[@markmclendon8621]

designed and built a SIP 3600 SQ FT house in 1996....fun

[@ShelterInstitute]

Sounds fun!

[@rgriffith6476]

I am not being a D bag, I am legitimately curious-it seems like you guys are relying on the expanding foam quite a great deal for waterproofing and longevity of the structure. What happens as the structure begins to settle? IE. foundation unevenly settling, the wood swelling/contracting, etc.?

[@zigza_g2020]

I want to build timber frame house and use eps panel. Is it good/ reliable

[@enwinn]

Why do you use such a gargantuan sill plate? (3 1/2" x 14") Not being sarky. Truly curious. Edit: Mostly curious about how it cantilevers both inboard and outboard of that foundation wall.

[@jon8864]

I'm interested to see the plumbing and electrical go in. My house has a cosy 45mm cavity for services between the plaster and airtight membrane, I guess that's not what happens here.

[@turkevi2305]

It is imperesive. What is the cross-section measures of rafters? Maybe, 20cm x 20 cm GL24h ?

[@ShelterInstitute]

Thank you! This is 15 - 1/4 cm x 20.3 cm (6" x 8").

[@turkevi2305]

@@ShelterInstitute Wow, it is smaller than I think. It is Glulam, right? Also, I would like to ask you another thing. How do you calculate or analyse your truss systems? With softwares or hand calculation?

[@robertbowman9108]

So I can't figure it out, what's the advantage of building this way? Looks to me like more work, more expensive meterials, and horrible in a fire, and building meterials exposed to rain

[@ximono]

That's a lot of plastic in that insulation! Imagine if it was wood fiber insulation, a superior material in many aspects (and fire resistant when treated with ammonium sulfate).

[@RickVonSloneker]

If you install the drywall before the SIPs, it seems like this precludes you from taping the inside of the panels. Isn't this important for air sealing? Same thing for the roof assembly and the T&G.

[@sawboneiomc8809]

You don’t have to use meathooks to raise the panels....it’s just easier to use them.

[@nathanielmisouri]

Thank you for the video, please dont let your workers be under suspended loads.

[@hillaryclinton2415]

Surprised to see you using open cell foam between panels.. seems like a water absorption issue waiting to happen....

[@vossalaftmick6612]

Where do the electrics and plumbing go

[@dcorman2350]

Walls of Timber framed houses should be made with Hempcrete... then you'll be near perfection.

[@willdatsun]

Could you tell us somewhere what an SIP is? I mean I presume it is an acronym but you never say what it is

[@ShelterInstitute]

A SIP is a Structural Insulated Panel!

[@PhotonHerald]

Hopefully these people are more proactive about siding the building than the people at Pure Living For Life were. They're still living in an unskinned home 3+ years on. And SIPs panels aren't supposed to remain exposed that long.

[@frednegus7017]

Why no ridge beam

[@ShelterInstitute]

We engineered this building so that we do not need one.

[@peteranserin3708]

What if I don't want to live in a rectangular, gable box!

[@ShelterInstitute]

Everything we do is completely customizable to the clients taste!

[@karelmagnusson8733]

What's the raw cost of these houses?

[@Kamabushi999]

What if it rains

[@juanlanda2441]

I love timber frame, not readily available here. Best possible would be 6x6 or 6x4 in limited lengths.

[@clivewilliams3661]

Why not SIPS panels on the roof, that is the common and logical location for them?

[@ShelterInstitute]

Great question! We do install them on the roof, this is one episode of several in this series, I believe we install them in the next episode!

[@corymiller9854]

Well good job guys. The starting of this house is great the walls are excellent and better then most I have seen. Then comes the outer walls some of the crappiest I have seen. Foam and chip board palace with a internal wood façade. Sorry for being harsh just annoyed with all the icing on your cake.

[@gtvvds]

why to build timber frame, if you build sip house? It's like spending for two houses. Sip houses are build without timber frame.

[@NOWAR-q7s]

Why do you ruin this nice structure with gypsum board? Have you tried FERMACELL???

[@ghettohey2388]

Well the way they installed those sips just made another negative for me regarding choosing them. I mean the sill plate isnt anchored to the foundation for one. I know its not a typical stick frame but still it will prevent up draft forces. Glue and using long screws into the timber frame isnt doing anything. And not to mention the seal quality keeping out water and bugs.

[@dougm659]

I literally cannot believe you’re hammering nails individually to attach gypsum sheets to the frame….never heard of nail or screw guns? They’re easily 4-5 times faster and time is money guys!

[@makeeverydaycinematic]

There isn’t any room for error with that small surface area of the timber frame. Wouldn’t want to go too fast and blast a hole in the Sheetrock.

[@kennkid9912]

SIp Panels have to be used in timber frames. Timber frames are fine and SIPs are awful. They get wavy. The ants like them. Too bad there is not a better alternative. If you stud a timber frame you are doing double duty. Most materials are made for stud frames. Anything with OSB is suspect.

[@Mike_Fortin]

As a builder, I like the idea of SIPs HOWEVER, everything I read about them is problematic, condensation, mold, rot, poor sealing at joints, running plumbing and electrical is a headache, etc

[@kennkid9912]

@@Mike_Fortin Yup they are trash. The fact remains , timber framing and studding it in is redundant. You can hybrid with solid corners and heavy braces ....Timber framing is just something they try to sell you. .As if houses were not expensive enuf to buy already!

[@paulbooij7594]

Critics: Sips are for the rich Shelter institute: No, but today we are working in Martha's Vineyard. One of the most elite places you can live in America, how close is this to the Obama's?

[@AndrewConway]

So I know your techniques are correct, but they go against instinct, and being the control freak that I am, you'd be getting arguments from me and I'd get kicked off the job.

[@lennybogart]

I don’t understand why people were trying to convince this client into choosing a _’stick-frame’_ instead of a _’timber-frame’_ installed by these guys? This build went up like lightning and completely stress-free. And whoever it was that suggested building a _’stick-frame’_ and making it look like a _’timber-frame’_ is an absolute imbecile and should be banned from building!!! 🤨

[@michaelvongiersbach7726]

The ridiculous posturing with the masks is just laughable.

[@tinolino58]

These silly masks

[@thomasschafer7268]

This System doesn't exist in europe. A good question why. Nobody wants to live in a plastic box. Like tubberware. Co2 footprint?

[@clanaoaarmyofallah2557]

Show the plumbing and electrical. No one cares about the other stuff