End of Z is being REMADE in Dragon Ball Super!?

Dragon Ball Z's final 3 episodes, 289-291 covered the arc commonly known as "The End of Z" which is currently the farthest into the accepted canon timeline of Dragon Ball Z that the story goes so far.
But with Dragon Ball Super Super Hero having no more than 1 year left before it encroaches on this portion of the story, will Dragon Ball Super retell & remake The End of Z within it's own series?!
In this video, we break down what differences the show can make if it does decide to do this, and add in its own characters etc. to the story.
#dragonball #dragonballsuper #dragonballz #endofz #dragonballsupersuperhero

[@Louminati]

I'd LOVE a 17 vs Piccolo rematch! Lowkey one of the best fights in Z.

[@callumcrane241]

That would be a win in my book. Next thing you know their'll be a Dragon Ball GT remake afterwards.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

As long as they changed the little Goku aspect to the story I would be fine with having a remake of GT with super’s continuity

[@callumcrane241]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee Yea. I wonder how events would play out with God Ki anyway? And Frieza being alive? And a better Broly.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

@@callumcrane241 would be really interesting at this point! I actually addressed some potential ideas of this in a previous video regarding Super Dragon Ball GT!

[@user-TheChaoticShadowsOfEvil]

Or dragon ball GT doesn't get a remake because we know what happened when GT got made a lot of people did not like it for lots of reasons but it probably won't happen since the dragon ball creator has a lot more form, story, and character ideas in store for the future and it's not time to end with gt besides Goku and the z warriors have to deal with Frieza Black plus future villains.

[@blakemeans462]

Gt sucked

[@ItsMilord]

I honestly have no gripes with this take! would love to see "End of Z" in Super play out exactly like this!

[@jameshollister8294]

The writers just want Money they don't care about a story no more.

[@GIRru11]

This idea could also work for creating an opportunity for a fresh start. Its hard for them to do much with raising the stakes when Goku and Vegeta have reached god power, so this would be a good way to end the story of Goku and Vegeta and finally pass the torch to the younger Saiyans like Goten, Trunks, Pan, And Bulla

[@joshuarichard6827]

The end of z was perfect. Super was not necessary

[@Trap5656]

Retelling End of Z and adding in the Super Element makes sense to me given how much DBS changes up the story. 👍 An idea I had was Gohan been a part tournament because of encouragement from Pan, Piccolo, and Videl plus we would get to see Gohan's progression with his Beast Form. You could have Beast Gohan vs Orange Piccolo or Beast Gohan vs MUI Goku in the tournament, but I personally would like to see is Beast Gohan vs UE Vegeta maybe during the battle Vegeta is coaching Gohan into using his Beast Form better and showing Bulla how much of a good teacher he is leading towards Bulla wanting to train under him. 👍

[@thewolfofwallstreet627]

ooh i love your ideas. and maybe even show MUI Goku vs Orange Piccolo, as sort of a nod and wink to their former rivalry since their dragon ball days.

[@RayRay_6]

I reeeally hope the next arc will be an End of Z retelling! I’m stoked to see what Dragon Ball will turn into after getting past this point, allowing more stakes. Im curious as to how it will all sync up as well. I wonder what would be Goku and Vegeta’s reason for leaving their training on Beerus’s planet, if it’s next. Also, I wonder how Goku will get his End of Z gi; I hope there’s a significance to it and not just an abrupt wardrobe change.

[@ultrainstinctgokublack9097]

I think the end of z will be briefly retold without much thought lol. But some of these ideas i'd be down with. I'd love to see them use Whis to motivate Goku train Uub up to a level that he can also teach him UI but later Berus plans to train him too.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

You’re possibly right lol, it’s one of those things that would be a shame if they didn’t expand upon!

[@LizardmanStalfos]

Yeah.... It sucks how fast the narrative of super is. In, DBZ my sister and I actually liked the filler as it felt like you were hanging out with friends. Dragon ball had so much charm back when it was only toriyama's series. My theory is that toriyama is tired of DBZ and just continues it with a "whatever" attitude

[@leosnyder5264]

No just no ubb doesn't need you ui

[@HyperSpeed657]

@@LizardmanStalfos The part of filler something l like taking a break from all the fighting and just chilling and talking which sounds something I would like to see.

[@Legion849]

No Uub does not need UI Super is already bad with its transformations. We don't need more characters getting God Ki that would get boring real quick.

[@nugzmedallion8929]

You know, when I was reading through the Morro and Granolah arcs in the manga, I kinda got the "this feels kinda like filler material" vibe so what you said near the end makes a lot of sense.

[@dstr001]

Imo the way it is currently has way too many plotholes for the end of Z to truly be considered canon. Things like no one knowing who Uub is, despite Vegeta already being aware of him just before the universe 6 tournament and Dende outright watching over him before the ToP, just dont fit anymore, to say nothing of Bulmas 5 year remark to not seeing Goku, even though shes seen him constantly during Super. My headcanon is that end of Z is how things wouldve played out if Beerus didnt wake up early, 5 years of peace with nothing happening as originally intended. Beerus is literally the catalyst for everything that happened in super after all, even Goku black wouldnt have existed if Beerus wouldnt have fought Goku leading to him being introduced to Zamasu. Zeno wouldnt have got the idea from Goku to hold the ToP either because the universe 6 vs 7 tournament would never have happened.

[@jjmulvaney2758]

End of Z needs to be remade in Dragon Ball Super! I need to see it so badly.

[@calebgunner]

We get to see the green gi 🙈 Most importantly, it retcons the fact that they haven't seen each other in 5 years (I hated that plot point) and It makes sense for Goku to train uub for the future Frieze saga arc 🧐

[@calebgunner]

@@soggyandroid Agreed. I hope that once we get passed the end of Z, the shackles will come off as Toyo should have more freedom (narrative wise) to do what he pleases.... Hopefully that is the reason when they included the superhero arc. To buy more time for what is to come.

[@ascer2717]

What i really want to see in the next arcs regarding the cyborgs: - 17 and 18 backstory and how/when they turned into cyborgs - Them getting a bio-power up by Hedo and Bulma, don't forget that she still has the projects - A bio-fusion between them would be dope! (leaked in dbs ep. 115) We know that they can grow stronger but i think it's different from other humans like Krillin and the others due to the fact that they are modified at a cellular level, so they might have their own way to get stronger! 17 and 18 have so much potential but Akira is not really interested😮‍💨

[@Louminati]

Imagine Beerus entered the world tournament on the pretext that he fights on the level of his opponents.

[@pasalasaga]

After the end of Z, we need Kakumei to be canon somehow.

[@jasonstephens6109]

If Master Roshi is watching in the stands, they need to have Jackie Chun also show up and do the gag again where he tries to get someone to pretend to be him while Chun is in front of Goku. In the end, let Goku learn that Jackie Chun was Master Roshi all along. Personally, I would love to see a Krillin versus Goku match in the tournament, where neither of them is taking it too serious, they're just two best friends having fun like they're kids again. Finally, give Yamcha a win. Also, I like the idea of him taking over the Turtle School of Martial Arts. Being a lady's man, he's already a spiritual successor to Master Roshi anyway. Maybe Roshi can oversee it a bit like he did for Tiens school as well. We have to see quite a few of Tienshinhan's students at the tournament, displaying OG Dragon Ball level techniques, showing a path forward for a new generation outside of the Sayajins. Hint at Bulla having some potential. Vegeta Vs Goku, but no one wins. Instead, a situation is produced where Vegeta is finally able ti swallow his pride, and after a good fight, Vegeta forfeits, not because he can't win, but because beating Goku is no longer the only thing he lives for. Something cool like, letting Goku fight Uub at his best, or Bulla wanting to do something fun yet time sensitive. Have him choose the family life over beating Goku. Show Videl being a very active martial artist still. Maybe having a school that Rivals Tien's and showing a much better control of ki now. Gohan should look on the tournament, glazed over, seeing how much Pan loves this stuff, and being reinvigorated to practice martial arts, not because he wants to be ready for a threat, but because he can connect with his family over it all and realizing how much time he's already lost with his family (not just Pan and Videl but his dad, Krillin, and all the ither Z fighters). The whole thing should wrap up with a sense that the Z Fighters are a family. Goku shouldn't fly off with Uub, but the Z Fighters should all take an interest and welcome him into the family, taking care of him, his village, etc and yes, of course, Goku should offer to train him.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Couldn’t have said a single thing better; absolutely perfect suggestions. Thanks for sharing, I ADORE the Vegeta Goku suggestion. Perhaps he sees Goku eyeing up this new fighter and he laughs, maybe taking a dive and lets Goku win, similarly to the 18/Satan fight where people believed she didn’t lose on purpose, but of course both 18 & Satan knew. So everyone else believes it was a genuine outcome; but Vegeta & Goku both know that he did that to let Goku go fight Uub. I think that would be an amazing conclusion to their rivalry.

[@officialshat2736]

I don’t like the vegeta giving up as even though he prioritizes family he can’t let go of his pride. However bad his pride is in certain moments (I.e. his pride letting imperfect cell absorb android 18), his pride did end up pushing him in moments of need and drove him to victory, or pushed him enough to have chances of winning (like with jiren and toppo). Vegeta’s pride will always be with him (or at least I think it should be that way). It’s part of his blood, his nature. He can’t just give it up. He hasn’t all his life, even when started a family with bulma trunks and bulls in super, so a few more years isn’t going to change that

[@jasonstephens6109]

@officialshat2736 I get what you're saying, and I dont suggest he give up his pride. He should always be a "a warrior of the proud sayajin race," but there's a difference in not having pride and swallowing it. He swallowed hiBeer's, out of conviction when he took himself out trying to kill fat Buu, he seallowed it again out of acceptance when he admitted only Goku could beat kid Buu, he swallowed it yet again out of fear when he first met Beerus. He can swallow his pride and still be prideful. I'm just saying it would be awe-inspiring to see him swallow it again, with a smile even, in admitting he no longer ONLY sees Goku as his rival, but also his innocent yet oblivious friend.

[@jasonstephens6109]

He could even make it like @WKKanjiNeedsCoffee said where everyone thought Goku won, but both Vegeta and Goku knew he threw the fight, giving a nice turn about where it's GOKU craving the rematch for once.

[@creategreatness8823]

We really need some kind of 100% "Kai 2.0" that covers from the very beginning of Dragon Ball to the very end of Super. Restoring the image, remastering the audio, smoothing over various errors/inconsistencies and editing the content down to better match the Manga. It could also take the opportunity to properly streamline some of the storytelling. They could also properly trim off the end of Z so that it can go right into where we pick up at the start of Super. I think Dragon Ball could be brought down from 153 to 100 episodes I think Kai could be brought down from 167(From 291 in original Z) to 150 episodes I think Battle of Gods and Resurrection F could be streamlined/merged with episodes of Super, and that Super could also be edited down and streamlined...perhaps going from 131 episodes to 100 episodes So then the ENTIRE series from very beginning of DB to the very end of Super where we are now could be 350 episodes.

[@DeeFourCee]

Sad that were aren’t getting Moro or at least Granolah. Moro arc gives Buu more story and also introduces Uubs existence. Also want to mention that it doesn’t retcon that Kid Buu had god ki. It’s additional. He never used his god ki just his normal ki. Just as Goku can go standard super saiyan. Buu wasn’t able or never tried or even knew he could tap into god ki. Retconning is the act of changing old lore to fit new lore but it isn’t changing anything. Just like how Buu’s memories had to be awaked for him to use his God Ki and awake his Daioshin abilities and personality. It was there but they didn’t know it was there

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Well, retconning isn’t exactly that. It’s “retroactive continuity” - meaning it’s placing something that’s new, in the old to suggest it was there all along. …Kid Boo having god Ki is indeed a retcon, but I can understand how you came to think it wouldn’t be.

[@godslayer8894]

I bet you they most definitely will adapt the moro and granolah arc once the anime comes back and probably retell superhero arc as well

[@DeeFourCee]

@@godslayer8894 not necessarily but we can hope

[@godslayer8894]

@@DeeFourCee I'm certain they will I'm pretty positive on that as it would make total sense too adapt it which to me there's no doubt in my mind they won't adapt it but only time will tell

[@DeeFourCee]

@@godslayer8894 i mean the anime already chose to go it’s own way from the manga and the manga is playing catch up. Reverse of what’s happening. If they were gonna do such an important middle arcs like Granolah and Moro why aren’t they movies? Moro nor Granolah hasn’t been added to Xenoverse nor has UE. As far as Toei is concerned, the anime is the canon now

[@NarutoTsunadefan1]

I’ve always known the original version of End of Z is no longer canon. I’m sure they’ll make their own version but the original isn’t canon. The mere fact that they have Piccolo training Pan instead of Goku proved that. Goku trained Pan and the two grew an incredibly close bond between each other thanks to that. Pan became a grandpa’s girl thanks to it and was clingy and wanting to show off to Goku thanks to that fact. Now though she’s more likely to act that way with Piccolo. Which honestly I don’t like because I always enjoyed the fact that Goku was the one who originally trained her. It showed Goku was still close with his family while training and was excited to train his granddaughter. Plus it gave us the nice bonding moments between Goku and Pan at the tournament festival grounds. It’s just irritating to see Toyotaro and Toriyama go along with the Piccolo is Gohan’s ‘dad’ meme by having him train Pan too -_- I guess I can be happy with everything else that might happen at least…

[@tyronejennings599]

I really don't want GT because it had a lot of weak villains I want them to do something like what heroes is doing. I'm not saying do all of the time mess but they could do something interesting like Xeno Goku & Xeno Vegeta living in universe 6 just don't give us the same boring GT story

[@daddy_oh_vekx5536]

Th pic of 17 and piccolo at 4:22 has no business being that cold 🥶

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

😂😂😂

[@StartingAura008]

yeah, It makes sense for it to be remade and altered

[@TonyRead31]

I cannot wait for Super to move past the end of Z so we can finally have some stakes in the story telling! Long live Dragon Ball!

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I’m 100% with you on this. The stakes have been minimal because everyone already knows who makes it out alive 😅

[@TonyRead31]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee Thank you for replying to me. Would it be possible to have a Microsoft Teams or a Zoom call about Dragon Ball with you sometime? I really enjoy your videos.

[@lakotatheenigma9767]

I’m definitely looking forward to how Super is going to retell End Of Z in it’s own way while also having retcons with the story and characters. Just like in this video, I hope we also see additional stuff that happens at the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament, like Goten’s fight with Buu. And Something I do hope happens and I’m actually positive is most likely going to happen is Goten’s and Trunks’s End Of Z personalities getting retconned for the better considering Goten’s new personality that he has now and considering Goten and Trunks have been shown in Super and in Super Hero and the recent manga Super Hero prequel arc to still be adventurous and still liking fighting while also looking for tons of new excitement. Like it would be cool to see Goten being very excited to have Goku train him for the Tournament and it would also be cool if both Goku and Vegeta decide to properly train Goten and Trunks in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber for the Tournament. I also would love and really hope to see is after Goku asks Goten and Trunks to keep up with their training for Uub, I really would would love and hope to see Goten and Trunks deciding to go and train under Vegeta after the Tournament so they can take their training more seriously, start to being the best out of themselves, and also because I feel the Vegeta now would also be a excellent mentor for them. And I also would love and hope to see Goten and Trunks deciding to Planet Sadala with Vegeta so they can train with and have arcs with the Universe 6 Saiyans as well.

[@tatugirl1]

I would love to see more of android 17 and also see his family

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

100% 🔥

[@slimbey1705]

I would love a sorta GT remade thing, where its GT remade to be updated with the elements from dbs, and also fixing some of the issues with the show

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Yeah I feel the same, I actually did a video based on this concept a short while ago on the channel!

[@slimbey1705]

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[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

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[@slimbey1705]

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[@incognit01233]

Are they going to retcon gohan being taller then everyone except piccolo? Cause him taking after his mother's side of the family and going full clark kent is part of his hero thing.

[@GNome744]

Honestly I always wanted a GT made by Toriyama. Maybe all done in movie format? I mean imagine what Toriyama could do with things like Omega shenron and now that we have the super dragon balls maybe he gets the ultimate power from those?

[@e1622zelda]

Toriyama pretty much hates drawing now days lol And his new style is pretty lame.

[@GNome744]

@@e1622zelda well I'm glad you asked him directly how he felt about drawing manga and that you confirmed it with a subjective statement

[@e1622zelda]

@@GNome744 just something he has stated numerous times , he burnt him self out from the hardcore work he did earlier in his career. Why do you think his last full manga was was 22 years ago sandland . There is a reason why he only does story points and a little bit of character design now days . Good chance he will never do another series , maybe just little one offs like Dragon Ball Minus thing he did.

[@GNome744]

@e1622zelda he also was the head producer of the super hero movie so he's doing just fine

[@e1622zelda]

@@GNome744 yea but he’s not drawing Mangas which is what we were talking about . I never said he was not doing fine , he’s worth like 50 to 70 million lol. I stated that he pretty much hates drawing now days , I don’t blame him it’s a shit ton of work doing a weekly or bi weekly manga. He’s basically retired I mean he is 68 years old now !!

[@DRDINOMEOW]

I am so done with nostalgia and would love to see more lore. :)

[@thewolfofwallstreet627]

I think it would be mighty stupid and foolish if Toei animation and Toriyama didn't push for anime adaptations of the moro and granola arcs personally because there's way too much money that could be made from that. Plus, I feel like they are going to retell both the Broly film and Superhero movie in the super anime eventually, as it wouldn't be the first time this franchise has done something similar to this before. I remember the Dragon ball films were originally shorter retellings of the anime itself, when the show used to be about kid goku and his adventures with his friends. As far as retelling the ending of Z goes, i think you hit the nail on the head, as that's inevitable in the super anime. I think the bigger question is will Toriyama and Toei just end things there? Will they retcon GT completely after that, or what? It'll be interesting to see what happens. I think if they continue after the end of Z, they definitely need to have both Granola and Vegeta take down Frieza together, or just Vegeta, because that would make the most sense for either one of them, or both, to take out Black Frieza. I also like the idea of Android 21 becoming canon, but she should appear after Uub becomes the focus of the series, as i can definitely see quite a dynamic between them since they both have their own unique majin based powers.

[@chaseyoung7693]

They NEED to make Bulla have a relationship with Beerus, like an uncle

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

YES! As shown briefly in Broly with Beerus babysitting, best suggestion in the comments! 🔥

[@mourninggirl8825]

Bulla if she is as smart as bulma would be the smartest sayin of all time. She'd learn to use her energy to power machine that create a utopia or multiply her damage output and rang exponentially and make a planet killing Lazer that can fire from across the galaxy.

[@ferret747]

Why even do the ‘end of z’ to begin with? Makes more sense to continue with whatever arc they would do other than maybe a small tournament arc to setup the next saga. Things have been retconned a bunch anyway.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Because it’s a big part of the canon, has been for decades now - it’s the literal end of the manga - so it’s basically dragon ball gospel at this point lol

[@Martiangrl86]

Honestly, the end of Z only needs a few minor tweaks to work (mostly the age issue and some aesthetics). The Z fighters don’t need to participate in the tournament because at that point, it’s not even a fair fight. The adults could just hang back not because they’re “too old” or “retired” because most of them view the tournament as the baby leagues when so many of them have god level powers. Goku may still participate because maybe he has a premonition about Uub showing up. I think maybe have him be co-training Pan alongside Piccolo would be a good way to have Goku bond with his daughter as well as giving Goku and Piccolo some time to reconnect without Goku being joined to the hip to Vegeta. Trunks, Goten, and Pan, being beginners would enter for real, so we can see their skills in action much the same as before. I love the idea of utilizing Bulla more and Vegeta being inspired to train his daughter. Honestly, the funniest thing I can think of is FINALLY seeing Vegeta and Piccolo fight all out after all these years, only it’s over something so incredibly stupid like them rooting so heavily for their own student that it turns into an angry hockey dad brawl 😂 Goku can finally be the voice of reason for once.

[@roymitchell7388]

Master Ultra instinct ss4

[@DivineMultiForce]

I’d rather see Piccolo and Vegeta finally swap hands in the tournament

[@omnijonn277]

If they keep the og z ending. Piccolo at that time has orange form and still says he's not on Goku level which makes me wonder if Goku got a vastly power buff

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I’d also like this!

[@aymanriki1018]

@@omnijonn277 maybe in base to base, goku is just vastly stronger since he can access god ki and UI normally

[@Just_nick3070]

​@@omnijonn277retconned

[@1upGaming1up]

TBH I would love to see End of Z be redone in Super, but before we go into End of Z we still have the Moro and Granola arcs to be animated plus the whole Character arc with Broly and Black Freiza and Goku discovering the Dragon Fist to defeat Freiza once and for all will lead up to End of Z/End of Super, as for GT I feel that's where Broly comes in, Dr. Lychee the last of the tuffles creates baby, uses baby to infect Earth and posse Piccolo's body (a nod to King Piccolo) and use his body to get revenge on Vegeta and Broly discovers SSJ4 renamed to SSJ Primal (true form of LSSJ) to defeat Baby, I think it should fall between Super Superheroes and the Freiza Black arc.

[@dumb-shark-king]

The new manga arcs are unlikely to be animated but ig there is hope More likely they will animate after dbs super hero

[@abhabh6896]

Uub right now has most broken potential, going by DBS manga. He is five and he generated so much divine energy without even training so yeah.

[@EmperorLofi]

It’s a lot they could do. But currently there still recovering from Akira’s death and focusing on daima we’ll see.

[@bigd1348]

I preferred the story of dragon Ball all the way to GT I love the way it ended I love how different GT was and don't care for how they portrayed Vegeta in super it contradicts a lot of what Vegeta said at the end of the battle with kid Buu

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I respect that, nothing wrong with having your opinion! 👌🏻 I agree the ending was great, I agree that Super regressed Vegeta’s character in places, however I have to say that I think Vegeta’s personality wouldn’t change all that much just because he gave up convincing himself he was better than Goku. I think the fact they’re on a similar plain now means his character attitude is justified. Also, they show his soft & comical side a lot more now, so I still feel he progressed in most cases, he still feels more mature than he did in Z, so I think a lot of the criticism for Vegeta’s character change is more that his development isn’t as some people EXPECTED, not that he necessarily contradicts his final battle with Boo. Vegeta admits Goku is better than him, but that doesn’t mean if the opportunity to be better arose, that he wouldn’t take it and try to compete once more IMO.

[@retroknightarcade6817]

In my opinion I could see it play out as Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, and Piccolo just getting to powerful and Zeno deciding it's to much and threaten to erase everything so Whis using his magic and erasing everyones memory and use of the abilities they gained saves the universe and never contacting the Z warriors again, thus setting end of z exactly as it played out. Granted I wouldn't particularly like this scenario, but it is possible.

[@Dave102693]

Sounds like a cop-out, but at least we could get a GT reboot at that point.

[@Marcus_shawn]

I always thought whis erased everyone's memory by this point considering kakarot had ui,ssj blue and all these god like powers but still wanted to fight uub who he was way stronger than at this point

[@RealYoxtz]

Great video man. Honestly loved it

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Thank you, super appreciate that!

[@LordProteus]

For the records Pan flying as a Baby isn't canon and was just filler Toei decided to put in the anime. We know Pan can't fly from official canon sources, like Super Heroes.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Yeah, …but truthfully it doesn’t really matter. It’s easy enough to believe she subconsciously knew how to fly as a baby and forgot when she became of conscious age 🤷🏻‍♂️, similar things happen to enough kids!

[@mizv4043]

they need to have Bulla have fighting skills. I dont get why Vegeta wouldnt train his own daughter.

[@brbgonnagetmilk]

We NEED canon cooler tbh, cooler is my favorite db character of all time, and they should bring him back like broly.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I think that there’s a very good chance of this happening, however if it does - I imagine he might not be a sibling of Freeza, or may be a rejected sibling due to being so weak at the time etc. needing some reason they’ve never mentioned him until his reboot etc.

[@Dave102693]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee He could of been sealed by Frieza instead of killed by him because out of spite.....with him being conscious of being sealed, due to trying to overthrow him as the new emperor of the universe.

[@davepumphernickel9568]

If I’m being honest there still Soooooo many things I want too see explored in super still, like the connection between sadala and vegeta in a deeper level, another tourney of power after or before this, goten and trunks getting more power, but after that if they decided to just switch focus on character based arcs, and do different things with that, I couldn’t even hate it.

[@reaperxz3ro]

Super Saiyan 4?! 👀👀👀👀

[@BiohazardRay]

Wish they Would bring back Android 16 since after the Cell saga everybody was wished back but 1 can dream

[@Matthew_Murray]

I definitely see us getting a retelling of EoZ as a mini arc or 3-4 chapters following up with Goku going to train Uub for a year. Then we will get a Black Freeza arc as possibly the last big arc in Super

[@LizardmanStalfos]

If this is true, this would be great for the series! This would phase out GT (although I know people liked GT) They would be cruising in uncharted territory

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I think Toei have finally come to terms with GT’s failure now and are becoming comfortable with doing that. I think they felt they could do no wrong if they knew where these characters needed to be at the end of the series so they just stuck to having Super in the time skip before the End of Z. I think so long as they feel they can have some guidance from Toriyama for a few years, they’ll be okay. 👌🏻 so I’m looking forward to it too!

[@carso1500]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee honestly as long as Toriyama is writing it will likely be better than GT, Toriyama has directly writen all the movies and they are some of the best dragon ball content that has been produced in decades, honestly between broly and super hero i don't know which is better

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

@@carso1500 I agree, I know a lot of people find stuff to dunk on in the recent movies - but I don’t expect perfection. I adore the recent movies and appreciate how good they are in the grand scheme of things. I think they could easily both attract viewers from outside of Dragon Ball’s bubble too, which is certainly what Toei want/need to do to keep Dragon Ball being beloved for decades/generations to come

[@PsychoCPU]

They are 100% going to tell the ending in a different way, given that the story is going to continue afterward. It's pretty much impossible to add so much (ultra instinct, ultra ego, orange piccolo and beast gohan, not even counting all the new characters) and just re-tell the Z ending the same way. There's just no way. Also, Dragon Ball doesn't follow the manga closely at all, so even when the manga catches up I wouldn't bet on it being the same in anime. Also, no way GT gets retold. We'll move into that "time", but the whole premise would make no sense at this point. I mean Goku never uses Ultra instinct at any point, even IF SSJ4 is stronger? Same with Vegeta, never using blue evolution or ultra ego? It wouldn't work. The best option would be to lean more into the Dragon Ball Heroes multi-verse idea and suggest that the world of GT was one of these alternate timelines.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I think you’re thinking of GT being retold perhaps a little too literally, I was thinking more along the lines of story elements just being reused, revenge of the tsufrurians; super 17 - shadow dragons etc. rather than everything literally be retold.

[@mythoti]

I made a meme acknowledging that a retcon of sorts would be necessary for this very section of the story, it's too old to skip because of all the newbs, and too important to gloss over

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Funny - because even though you made it as a meme you make a fantastic point about it’s relevancy for the newbies 👍🏻

[@sergiomichelmusic]

Y'all are ao slow. The minute Super introduced the concept of "time rings", it's clear Whis will destroy all the timelines and Beeeus and Whis will make sure never to meet the characters or reveal themselves to the Z fighters, bc the risk to the universe (Goku clowning woth Xeno) is too great. Sheesh. Where did y'all fo to school? Ever heard of foreshadowing and context clues? If Toei is smart, they will mention the movieverse as a time ring and wipe them out too making one definitive timeline, which is timeline 3 where Trunks came back initially to save Goke; not 2 (off canera cell time machine) or the real timeline where everyone is dead and the future falls apart.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

My man, if you had a penny for every single thing dragon ball foreshadow, but then never pull the trigger on - you’d be a rich man. Your idea whilst perfectly logical, will never happen. As it would undo Toei’s current trajectory and would one day render everything pointless and lose it’s replay-ability to future watchers. You’re making all these comments insulting everyone’s intelligence but you haven’t looked at it all from a business sense. You would’ve sounded so much smarter & better had you not constantly tried to undermine everyone else’s intelligence whilst making a narrow minded comment 😅

[@d-freedbzhd1434]

lmao wtf small dick energy, what fan fiction have you been reading to get ur facts??? whis can’t destroy the time rings. the movies can’t be the time rings, all the time rings were already explained. toei is not gonna just undo everything they’ve been doing over the last decade, they’re setting it up so they can keep telling dragon ball stories for years to come so dumb

[@sergiomichelmusic]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee you sound like a passive aggressive 2 digit IQ guy from the hood, who tried to use "big words" to sound intelligent. Not my problem you can't read and comprehend. Plus, since I actually understand Japanese culture, their language and martial arts and everything the show is based on from THEIR perspective, I am sure the only fool here is you.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I … I’m lost for words 😂 You think I’m from the hood? Bro have you seen me? I’m as white as A4. My intelligence that you’ve so instantly swung for, has clearly somewhat challenged you based on your defensive stance on a fair retort to your very rude comment. But, you should learn - if you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. And It’s laughable you labelled me passive aggressive after the original comment YOU left (I shall assume it’s a simple case of you using a term you didn’t quite understand the meaning of first) but needless to say, Considering you’ve picked an argument with me on a very innocuous video topic; I would dare to imagine there’s a large amount of pent up aggression & you have been looking for some form of outlet to try and make yourself seem smarter than the average person here. But considering everything you put in your original comment, has nothing to do with knowledge of Japanese culture (of which I’m incredibly well versed myself, but I’ll ignore your insinuation that I’m unfamiliar) and nothing to do with martial arts; and the fact that you’ve clearly noticed and backed away from the fact your original comment made about as much sense as a Welsh doctor’s handwritten note - I would hazard a guess that your vocabulary is probably fairly limited in itself, so I guess it’ll ignore it. I gave a very fair response to your comment, and considering you’ve been able to offer nothing back but “nuh-uh I’m smarter & I have every episode of Japan on dvd, also my dad is a laptop at Toei animation”; I think it’s safe to say that this case is closed and you realised you were wrong. But by all means, If you do think up a new way to make yourself look like a muppet - please, come back 👍🏻

[@d-freedbzhd1434]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee😂😂😂😂😂 im so glad I commented and got notifications for this “I have every episode of Japan on dvd” creased me careful tho kanji he has knowledge of Japanese culture and martial arts from their perspective Be careful or he’ll spoil the end of dragon ball for us all with his incredible intellect

[@dawe964]

- Hey, that’s Oob. He’s…bu reincarnation…. - Aw you mean…he is as strong as no one relevant in Super nor Gt? - Well yeah but… - at least he can grow limbs back - ….. aw look over there! That’s Yamcha Daughter!!

[@JVoltage4]

I’d like to see Uub with some of Buus attacks at the touranament

[@VideoGameMasters09]

I mean... they kinda have to. They either end it before End of Z, update it, or skip past it and continue the story with Goku training Uub. Either way, they have no choice but to confront it. So crazy though. Just imagine, they faced Majin Buu.... then Beerus, Freeza, Universe 6, Goku Black, Tournament of Power, Brolly, Moro, Granolah, and Cell Max all before the Tournament with Uub.

[@silasstryder]

I'm very sure they're going to rehash the manga stories before doing anything new like they did with the start of DBS with the Resurrection of F and Battle of Gods movies. It's safe, it's easy to do since Toyble basically drew the manga combat scenes like story boards so they barely have to come up with anything new fight choreography-wise, and it's what the fans are expecting. If they hand wave away everything new in the manga as "manga filler" it's going to piss off a LOT of people that got invested in that and were excited to see the anime interpretation

[@Leostar-Regalius]

i mean, super was set before end of z, my hope is that we end up geting super GT afterwards making baby and the shadow dragons canon(maybe even ss4 in some way), shadow dragons have MASSIVE potential in super with the introduction pf the super dragonballs and stuff

[@adrianfrancis8911]

I feel like they should just brush over that a local tournament is probably beneath supers standards because we have so much more arcs to do then we’re Dragon Ball Z had in mind But don’t get me wrong they can have a tournament, but probably a tournament with all the universe that didn’t get to compete in the tournament of power. And Uub can be there As well Plus, they’re two different timelines there was about a six or seven years gap that everyone wasn’t in contact with one another but in Super and the Broly movie and the Gohan movie says otherwise so who knows if they will even do the tournament. Plus with all their new powers ,having tournament on earth is pretty dangerous

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Haha! Usually when I read comments regarding intergalactic/universal tournaments my mind tends to melt, BUT you make some good points - I could see them usurping the idea of the earth one for perhaps another Zeno organised tournament, but I do think half the charm of it being the world martial arts tournament is because it’s where Goku first truly found his love for fighting.

[@jmmpptd]

That would be great, if they « redo » the end of Z then it becomes an alternative timeline and it’s not canon anymore :p

[@TijerasNYC]

i really want goku to have that Gi

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Me too! It’s time for a new Gi that sticks around longer than the RoF Gi for sure

[@FramebyFrameFigures]

Piccolo vs 17 rematch would be epic.

[@brilleon]

I like the end of the Dragonball Z KAKAROT DLC ending to be the end of "the end of Z" in DBS😅 When the final part of the story is not Goku take Uub to train, but a rematch between Goku vs Vegeta. In the DLC after the end of Z, Goku back to the town, meet his family, do a mental training so player can rematch some previous enemy. Then Goku meet Vegeta fulfilling a promise for a rematch. I think this fit more as DBS ending, rather then just stop at the end of Z. So they have to add 1 more episode after "the end of z" in DBS. Of course it will different than in the game, since in the game it is Goku SSJ3 vs Vegeta SSJ2. Here they will use their strongest & latest form. Plus they have to change the place 😅 i think it will more safe if Goku and Vegeta not fight on earth, LOL. Maybe ask Wish to suggest an empty planet.

[@IGiveHonestReviews]

I just want goku and vegeta to have a full on massive rematch

[@montanAmvs]

Bro I like how they yeeded king Ki out of the window 😢 or even king yama Also I feel like nobody has died in a while I am still waiting to see if TN and launch. Finally, hook up and have a kid.😂 Will we ever get to see Boos kids because obviously they exist because of exenovers?

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Sadly the King Kai situation is because his Japanese voice actor passed away and they slowly phased him out, out of respect! I’m sure we’ll see him again eventually.

[@weirdface1846]

what about piccolo's kid, like king piccolo he could lay an egg and give birth to his child he is an adult now isn't he. he could train his son to fight and stuff

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Ah, Piccolo can’t do that sadly, he’s a warrior type Namekian where as only Dragon type Namekian’s can produce offspring or use the Pokkopen technique. Otherwise it would’ve been cool! Dende could do that logically however, when he becomes old enough I suppose. As they say their powers manifest at different ages for dragon type namekians.

[@primalego643]

Vegeta's family going to the Universe 6's Saiyan planet Sadala would be awesome.

[@SilverJ17]

Hopefully, they makes Pan more useful and actually achieve Super Saiyan, rather than being such a disappointment back-burner character. She had such potential at the end of Z. In GT? No Super Saiyan transformation, feels like a damsel in distress at least a few times. Pan in GT is honestly one of the things that bothered me. I don't know why. I just wanted her to remain as more of a fighter. She kicked a guy's ass as a four year old with little to no effort, for crying out loud. I know that's par for the course with the Z fighters, but still. Bulla I'm not too sure about, but I wouldn't mind a fighter Bulla forming a rivalry with Pan. She seems like she could outsmart Pan, but my struggle some if she gets her father's arrogance. She has the Half-Saiyan advantage, but I can also see said arrogance being a weakness. Perhaps, she could even, dare I say it, refer to herself as the Princess of All Saiyans since she is Vegeta's daughter after all and act like she's queen bee.

[@SimaShangde]

I wonder if there will be anything done with Goku's mastered ultra instinct form. It would be nice to retcon it a little bit. Let's say that after witnessing Gohan's new form he will realize, that he's merely achieved an incomplete version of it, that allowed him to get better control over ultra instinct. True mastered ultra instinct would be still black haired form with possibility to top it with ssj forms. Manga somewhat attempted to change the concept of Goku's ultra instinct in his final fight with Gas.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

It almost certainly will be played with again in the story, I wouldn’t worry too much :)

[@eli2210]

First pan looks better ngl

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I prefer this version of Pan! But I understand why you’d like the original more

[@treanmunt1420]

Theres a comic where in the end of Z tournament uub ends up being in a match with buu And seeing buu awakens kid buu inside of uub and then uub basically becomes evil So if they do carry on db after end of z then the villian could be majin uub

[@darianaiken378]

I need would like to see them get rid of god ki but make it a means of goku/vegeta using it to master SSj3, Like they turn SSj3 blue once and after all that the limitations of ssj3 is gone. Then zeno forbids mortals into accessing god ki without his permission. But that doesnt mean mortals cannot rival god ki. I think a shadow dragon story line can be incorporated because of the ridiculous wishes that been made in super I think a shadow dragon arc for the namekians dragonballs would be cool. Which leads us to GOLDEN SSJ 4 and I dont care for fusion anymore I think dragonball needs a more mature and darker tone.

[@Themanbeastishere3]

Only because beerus woke up when goku went ssj4 fans would say who this cat that’s why they did super before GT they had to remake everything

[@wizrad2099]

I like a lot of these ideas, but I don't want Bulla to ask Vegeta to train her. I think it's important to show that a Saiyan (or at least hybrid) can be allowed not to be aggressive or a fighter. Have Bulla take more after her mom, be the smart one, rely on tech. Maybe give her some Iron Man type armor and weapons that allow her to keep up while not taking the front line. You could even have her work solely on ki control and ki techniques, with the idea that she's interested in ki as energy, but just doesn't know or have any real interest in fighting. Give her ki barriers, healing, maybe Buu and Piccolo teach her magic tricks like the clothes beam. Make her a thinker, a support, not a fighter.

[@isaiahbenoit2319]

Then she doesn’t deserve to be a saiyan if she’s going to be a supporter 🤨

[@onryu]

imagine they invited Broly to the 28th Tenkaichi tournament

[@burbankmisfits]

great take

[@silverfilmsofficial]

Lets hope they've been planning all this time, there's a ton of potential on the table here for a new show

[@xondeez757]

they dont really need to do that. they just re-dub it so it fits tbh but im not sure what they said in the manga

[@omnijonn277]

Toriyamma and Toyotarou said they will keep the original ending idk

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

This technically isn’t keeping the original ending, just expanding on it

[@JXJ2.0NETWORK]

Wait a minute that means it will be the complete the cycle Dragon Balls but that means we might be getting closer entering the Dragon Ball GT but you know they sure rename Dragon Ball Ultra GT that's actually good name after it was super now it might be Ultra GT I hope that will be good name

[@Just_nick3070]

Considering that GT was never canon in any way and was always a side story, I doubt it

[@TheThemcgregory]

I just miss dragon ball 💔

[@kmdreacts]

Welp, with Pan being 3yrs old already, they're gonna have to figure out how Bulma hasn't seen Goku in 5yrs 😐

[@ghoulchan7525]

just alter it to say "we haven't seen you in A While" that would make the line work. and keep it vague. also no way these guys don't have a meet up every few months. they have been through a lot over the years.

[@wettuga2762]

I hope they don't ruin the DBZ ending like they're doing with DBS The transformations should have stopped at SSJ3, or at least a more "refined" version of SSJ3, something like Perfect SSJ3. Pink hair, Blue hair, Goku's Ultra Instinct, Vegeta's Ultra Ego, Gohan's "Beast" mode, the transformations are endless and out of control. Sorry, but NO. I'm fine with how DBZ ended, DBS should have been something like Dragon Ball Multiverse, not this DBS mess of overpowered transformations... for me, DBM _IS_ the true sequel to DBZ.

[@kaydog2450]

Heres something end of Z could still exist the way it originally was have the characters make a wish to have the majority of the events multiverse knowledge gods of destruction and angels tournament of power basically wipe super off as it never happened but maintaining memory of buu being defeated ssg gone ultra instinct ultra ego gone thats how i see it

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Yes, but also - no. It’s a possible route for sure; but it isn’t what Toei/Toriyama would do. It would severely damage the replay value of super, effect the merchandise sales etc. if people suddenly discovered it doesn’t matter & that none of the events are going to have transpired - and considering this is Toei’s new direction and the reason Dragon Ball is coming out with series & movies etc. they’re not going to do anything with it to suggest it never happened. So you’re not wrong in your suggestion, but as far as things actually getting that far goes - it’s almost certain they won’t do that.

[@shadowslayer9988]

It is crazy to think that Toriyama planned for dbz the end of Z episodes where meant to be the end for the series as a whole.

[@ZomgRuler]

The 5 years thing could be explained with the amount of time Goku spent in the chamber so it would feel like 5 years.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

But it’s Bulma that says it so it kinda comes from a weird place, they don’t moan at anyone else for using the time chamber - Goku & Vegeta used it for 3 years before the Universe 6 vs Universe 7 arc and nobody batted an eyelid 😅

[@nathanwhite704]

It literally has to be remade at this point, the original dialogue doesn't work anymore. Broly and cheelai better be in it if they do remake it.

[@HustlerHorstRuediger]

There still is plenty of time between Z and GT to fill.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Yes there is, but once you go passed the End of Z you’re effectively encroaching on the GT timeline, because GT SUGGESTS what characters have been doing in those years between Z & GT, so just because the story doesn’t necessarily show that period of time, doesn’t mean it’s not technically a part of GT’s story.

[@HustlerHorstRuediger]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee well, but you can tell stories in that timeframe. I mean you just have to respect the direction of the characters you should be fine. It wouldn't erase GT from Canon if Goku and Vegeta kill some animal-shaped aliens or if Gotenks would have to fight some resurrected cell or some other bs foe in between the stories. 🤷

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I get what you’re saying, and yeah in that regard I’d be fine with them telling stories in that time frame. Especially if it means giving the limelight to some other characters for those arcs. Are you suggesting that they find a way to fuse Super & GT together in that timeframe to make them coexist? Or just pointing out they should use that time period to tell more stories?

[@HustlerHorstRuediger]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee I thought about that for a long time but they would have to do some serious universe resetting (like banning all God ki or something like that) to make it work. As much as I would love it, I don't think GT can really coexist with super because of the god forms and power creep alone. But if their goal is to tell more stories without directly contradicting GT they could make it work for a while. And I would love them to focus on side characters a little more too.

[@DieselSantana]

Lowkey would be a slight return to the original plot of dragon ball

[@azeleza]

Whether they ever animate it or not, i hope the moro/granolah arcs are at least referenced and confirmed “anime canon” lol

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I agree that it would be nice if they do this, but I suppose it really depends on if they decide to introduce some of these manga forms in their own way (like what they did with SSG Vegeta) - so if they want to show off these forms in their own way, I would imagine they might not reference the manga at all. But I hope they do!

[@azeleza]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee i was honestly thinking/hoping that they turn the moro-granolah arcs into movies and just pickup the anime from there or after the super hero arc

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

@@azeleza Id be happy with them doing that too!

[@ShadowslickGokublack]

I want to see Goten goes super Saiyan 3 are probably go super Saiyan 4

[@towsonfox6964]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they kept the show going and had Goku teleport back to his family after training. Toei has to keep the franchise some how.

[@transpirater3768]

And some people stil believe end of z is still canon.

[@isaaccuevas1717]

No it won’t,the end of z will always be set it stone,it was toriyama”s original ending for the story,nothing can change that

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Yes and no, because you’re absolutely right - it’s set in stone as the original ending to Z. But lots has changed since then. If you don’t watch Super, Z ends fine with the original end of Z. But considering Super has changed so much, it’s likely to retell it. Just like when they slip retcons into the story. Toriyama would have no issues with it, he’s already changed the End of Z once in the Kanzenban releases of his manga, he has no qualms with the idea of changing it.

[@boneman9751]

I like how the broly movie went and took a basic character concept and reworked it to fit super, I’d like to see that done for end of Z and GT. With 17’s power in the TOP, super 17 would definitely be a threat. Same with a UE Babi Vegeta. As for omega, I don’t want him to just be a copy and paste from GT. I have a hard time believing that the Earth dragon balls can produce a being that can fight characters on par with beings that far surpass concepts of reality. How about omega absorbing the namekian DBs or even the super ones.

[@TheKdmccaskill]

Toriyama should be ashamed of himself, what a disgrace

[@EmeralBookwise]

Very little of this is actually needed. Notably Whis and Beerus don't need to have any reason to be on Earth at the time. Likewise, none of the god powers need to be mentioned. The only reason Goku was at the tournament was to test Uub, and he can do that just fine in base form, same as in the original. Really, the only thing Super changes is that Bulma shouldn't look so old and be complaining about how unfair it is that Goku and Vegeta barely age, now that Super has gone and shown her using the Dragon Balls to maintain a more youthful appearance. Most everything else is something that I think would be better addressed as things that happen AFTER the end of Z, by for example, actually seeing Goku train Uub. Expanding the story by actually progressing it, rather than just rehashing stuff we've already seen.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

It’s not that any of it is “needed”; but more so that if they’re going to encroach on the story arc to fix certain issues in continuity, they may as well have some fun with it! And that’s more the point of the video, I feel that some of the opportunities to create wholesome moments SHOULD be utilised because it’s a golden opportunity to do some Wholesome things; which dragon ball doesn’t always have the ability to do. And also poetically tie up some old story moments, as to help guide the show into a new era. Your outlook isn’t incorrect by any means, but I think your approach is more of a “don’t change stuff unless you need to”, but I am taking a little more of an approach to turn this arc into less of an Ending. But I understand both perspectives.

[@EmeralBookwise]

@@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee: It's not that I have anything against any of those wholesome moments, I just don't see any need to shoehorn them into what used to be Z's original epilogue. Admittedly, a lot of that is because I'm sick and tired of how DBS was treading water in the interim 10 years. I'm chomping at the bit to see the story actually progress into entirely new uncharted territories, and so I'd much rather see such wholesome moments play out in the aftermath of Z's epilogue rather than replacing it.

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

I understand! Fair points, well made 👍🏻👍🏻

[@ShadowslickGokublack]

God toriyama should have gave Gohan super Saiyan 4

[@DasMuse]

It will aggravate me immensely if they skip the stuff before Super Hero from the manga when re-starting the anime.

[@DarthOoink]

Nice but wouldnt Bulla/bra also be going god root since vegeta has destruction shourly he would be instilling that in her if goku is going focus on UI for uub

[@elmostew2]

sup kanji im subbed

[@WKKanjiNeedsCoffee]

Thank you! Hope to catch you in a Pictionary again soon!

[@slushbrain8495]

Im letting all of yall know. Dragon ball could literally do something we wont even fathom. We see these characters with great potential and will fall short in someway. Gohan and piccolo getting a godly power up in a movie is something no one seen idc what anybody says. Goku losing his "COOL" factor is hugggge problem. They put his "COOL" factor in a form ultra instinct. Dragon ball needs a soft reboot not gon lie. Im tired eating bs just because its Dragon ball

[@caliburbeats9495]

Just please for the love of God…. Don’t change anything. Just update the art, which imo doesn’t need updating, DBZ looks great even today.

[@Just_nick3070]

It needs to be changed, super literally retconned it