Enderal: Forgotten Stories - Dreamflower Ending [Skyrim Mod]

"Enderal: Forgotten Stories is a total conversion for TES V: Skyrim: a game modification that is set in its own world with its own landscape, lore and story. It offers an immersive open world, all for the player to explore, overhauled skill systems and gameplay mechanics and a dark, psychological storyline with believable characters."
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[@bat32391]

It's real and I'm not letting anyone else convince me otherwise.

[@Holydecipher]

In magister Yero's lair we find a lot of infomation about the dreamflower and it's qualities. The theory is that you will sort of drift in to a branch in the sea of eventualities that is the most favorable towards you. So yeah, you actually survived and made it off Enderal wirh Carlia/Jespar.

[@Approvedjoey117]

ĐΣċīƥΣɌ I love you for knowing this information lol

[@snosan]

@@Holydecipher In the quest "A drop in the Ocean" Sha'Rim says that its wrong, and what actually happens is that you go into a coma in which you'll dream that everything goes your way. This seems the more likely alternative considering that in the secret ending you'll still hear the pulsating sound of the beacon all the way to the end.

[@TyraxorQT]

@@snosan It can be just an unintentional sound bug. I had waterfall noises all the way during credits after Star city ending.

[@Holydecipher]

@MyLongestJourney Yes and it is also noted that the bravest warrios that got to drink the potion didn't just drop dead. They wouldn't have drunk it if it meant their death.

[@ThornySnailPictures]

It's very ambiguous. In one of the quests you get told that some mage had slept for 7 hours but in his dream he lived through 1000 years - maybe this is what the elixir is doing while you are passed out dying next to the beacon? However, you'd think that if was a dream where everything goes really well then Enderal wouldn't have been fully destroyed and high ones wouldn't be appearing on Qyra so soon. We will never know the truth unless there is a sequel.

[@AdasAtelier]

Why can't we save Jespar AND Calia?! I hate to see them like that 😭

[@Blackworgen]

The escapism ending. But man, that "What's the point of fighting if you end up all alone?" hit hard.

[@negative_zero]

A sign of good writing.

[@Blackworgen]

@@negative_zero The saddest part is that it's just a dream so you're actually all alone when you hear this. T_T

[@smokerxluffy]

I mean, if everything the game tells you is a lie anyway (everything the Veiled Woman, the Aged Man, High Ones, Black Guardian etc. is just complete bullshit when you start pulling at the threads of their statements) then why take _anything_ a puppet of the High Ones says at face value? I mean, the fact that whats-his-face panics and goes "NO, NO DON'T DRINK IT NOOOO" is like a glowing recommendation for _exactly_ that course of action.

[@yusahara]

This just gets me thinking about the veiled woman. Just who is she?

[@smokerxluffy]

Well, whoever she is, she's lying and manipulating the Prophet at every stage of the game.

[@rethomore]

She's the woman who created the cycles in the first place. At least, that's the impression that I've got during the Esme's questline.

[@chase_h.01]

Think of her as the referee of the Cycle, she makes sure the game is played fairly. The cycle requires all it's players leaving only their choices to decide the final outcome.

[@Sahlokniir]

@@rethomore but why does she send us to the mashine then?

[@prince-electorsnoo2540]

Not even a total conversion mod can protect Skyrim from the dreaded "Unreliable Narrator"

[@smokerxluffy]

The fact that the player's inner demons and Yuslan are all doing the soy wojak impersonation of "NOOOO YOU CAN'T DOO THAT YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!" only makes me more certain about this being the only good ending. I mean, Catharsis is what, you accepting your inner demons and killing yourself to placate them? Okay lol? ╰（‵□′）╯

[@madameseegurkchen6749]

This game gave me depression on a whole other level

[@morbius109]

You and me both. It’s a beautiful setting, lavish and intricate, with a rich backdrop of lore, but the underlying aura of decay and that feel of a world in decline would combine with the music to give me this deeply depressing sense of sadness. Despite all that, it’s still one of my all-time favourite games.

[@ranech]

@@morbius109 Walk blessed, all be fine man. This history just open lesson for us!

[@r.d.6290]

Ralata quest did it to me, even though I got the ending where Tarael survives.

[@disturbedfreak34]

Honestly, I think those figures that were in the house were the high ones. Think about it, you stopped the cycle from happening, which means you stopped another high one consciousness from being born. One of those figures was in a cradle. But they were all burning, which is a tad confusing to me. That also makes me wonder if all those dreams were the high ones the entire time?

[@g1hannamax514]

I had no idea what that was about the first time I saw that, but your explanation of why the cradle has a corpse in it makes much more sense!

[@BlasfemiaExpo]

if you remember, in the first dream, daddy says you set your little sister's cradle on fire that has to be connected somehow

[@illyn934]

Hi, I know it's been 4 years since you recorded this series but just wanted to say, thank you so much for sharing it. I always had your Enderal videos open in the background while I was working, cooking, or painting and I really enjoyed your company. It's so sad to see the story come to an end! Wishing you all the best :)

[@negative_zero]

It's been so long since I've even checked into KZbin that I've just seen this. I wish there were more games/mods like Enderal. Thank you for your kind comments.

[@ViperVenoM13]

I still expected another ending, the most interesting dialogue I think in enderal, is the dialogue with the inmate at the prison at the initiation, about the character dying in the ocean floor with Sirius and that all this is a dream, for me that's what's happening all this is a dream happening at the moment the character drowned. And we still don't know what happen to the characters family did he really killed them before he fled to Enderal?

[@1MOLNH3]

According to the Butcher of the Ark and the Rhalata questline Black Libra kills bad people. Whether they're committed the crime or not if their seer take the information they kill it. And Tharael once mensions that they're killing persons that they call "emissaries". So I'm thinking our family's death might be their job. At the first dream there was this option "No dad, masked guys killed" or something like that. This is pretty similar to what Qalian and his team did when they kill those childs. (I forget the name of the event.) They take the information that we'll be a emissary and decided to take action but somehow we managed to survive and maybe that guilt of us might be part of that situation too. We somehow felt they were after us but instead our family suffered.

[@erockthehorse]

Destroying the beacon seemed like the worse option to me bc only caelia would survive and who would listen to her But now that you survive as well there's a better chance

[@negative_zero]

A good point. I think I chose to escape on my first playthrough.

[@jonnyvelocity]

He didn't survive. It's called 'Dreamflower' for a reason.

[@bmagada]

@@jonnyvelocity 1) he's been dead since the beginning. 2) Your "friend" told you it would be a dream with no real evidence and by the end, his word on anything is a bit suspect. In reality, the ending is whatever you choose for it to be. If you want it to not be a dream, it's not. Though what did he say? He said the dream is you succeeding at everything. If this were a dream you would've destroyed the high ones, not destroyed the country and thousands of people. Also it was said that the flower makes you immortal which would explain how you survive the explosion as well. Take it all as you will. 3) Nice name lol

[@IrideaeSnowbloom]

@@bmagada Also when you drink the dreamflower elixir before even going down there, it stands to reason that the people going down there *died*, potentially, so even in the real world it might all have stopped then and there with Coarek doing his thing.

[@oguzgonul2584]

let me fix something for ya, if you destroy beacon other peoples also the peoples far from ark you will save.Not only Calia. And if you fled humankind will end and highones will create onr highone more with power they gain from cleansing. When i last remember they were three of them.

[@jasssedine]

dude, I just finished my Enderal playthrough and reloaded my save to experience all 3 endings. The story is sooo good and the fact that this ending might not even be "real" is just .. story reminded me a lot of my own game ( Mass Effect, u know) but at least this one had a proper ending. Haven't had a void after finishing a game since Red Dead 2. I just hope that this ending is real.. and even if it is not (considering the constant sound of the beacon).. at least its a happy life

[@negative_zero]

The writers definitely took a few ideas from ME, but with some great twists of their own. Enderal is still in my top 5 mods/games of all time.

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

I personally chose to sacrifice myself. It just made sense that, after all the hints pointing at pride being a problem, my character would end his role in this story playing a small but important part: lighting the flames of hope.

[@aidenfrost10]

@@negative_zero Definitely one of the single greatest game stories ever to me.

[@aidenfrost10]

Not might bro, the dreamflower elixir ending is NOT real. Sharim explains it when you snatch them from the past in his quest, it's an illusion kind of like a time slowing hallucinogen, like LSD but with a reallllyyyyy long trip. While he's hallucinating this illusion he's actually in the process of dying.

[@miguelcondadoolivar5149]

@@aidenfrost10 The problem is that we are not sure if Sharim is gave us a trustworthy account of the dreamflower. He was already working against Tealor at that point.

[@mysticranger6894]

So the forgotten stories update finally gave us a happy ending???

[@negative_zero]

Yep. Whether it's real or not is up for debate...

[@mysticranger6894]

@@negative_zero considering they promised us a happy ending i would be upset if it wasnt. i know they like being psychological, but hope its real, like the exlier procted us from the explosiion etc.

[@StarlightDragon]

@MyLongestJourney I actually prefer it if it's left ambiguous to whether or not the ending is "happy". I was _super_ satisfied with the endings of the game originally and was concerned when they said they had planned to add a "third ending". I always felt the whole point was to fight the temptation of the "escape ending" and go through with your sacrifice, as that's the only way to stop the cycle. I haven't played the content for the new ending, but I'm definitely intrigued by it after seeing the debate.

[@StarlightDragon]

@MyLongestJourney yes, that's true. In part, that's why I like the endings. Because it forces you to consider the consequences with no definite answer. But I do believe there is stock in the idea that the sacrifice ending is the one thing that has never been attempted in any of the cycles, which is why I believe that if there IS a way to stop it, that would be the only thing left to try.

[@NoOnesBCE]

I don't think a truly happy ending could do this work justice. Enderal is an amazing piece of art analyzing escapism trough so many lenses, there is really no true happy ending to escaping.

[@frederikklotzskov9673]

This is the total recall ending you don't know if it's real or not but you hop it is

[@ssz2150]

So, the whole of Enderal got blown to bits... except for you. You must be reeeeally special! ;-) Didn't learn your lesson last time?

[@ranech]

this ending = cheap fake, sadly

[@FSHerrante]

Technically, by drinking it unpurified, you fall into a dream where everything you want and desire comes true. You want to destroy the beacon and save yourself, and that happens. But in reality you're asleep on the stairs while the purge continues

[@evan5140]

According to the traitor that never wanted Arantheal to succeed in the first place

[@aidenfrost10]

@@evan5140 I don't think he'd lie about it though, I think Sharim was genuine mostly about everything but kept his main agenda hidden. You also find evidence of this on Yero's notebook.

[@NightWielderEye]

@@aidenfrost10 On the contrary, Jero's notebook says that he *doesn't* think the dreamflower has such a powerful effect on the human psyche because it goes beyond the alchemical arts. It's in the very first line.

[@lorddodge2867]

That's why I drank the potion shortly after I destroyed the beacon. If the Prophet would die anyway, why shouldn't he take the risk? Worst case scenario, he just has a nice dream after saving the world

[@anahliese637]

I'm so glad I saved Jespar my heart is broken

[@Hub3rtCumb3rdal3]

Finally finished this game and damn, all the endings even the good ones are really depressing. Even if you manage to save Calia and yourself then Ark and all of Enderal's inhabitants get destroyed no matter what 😟. There's something truly unsettling, disturbing and depressing about this game that puts it in a league of it's own compared to Skyrim... Playing Skyrim feels like being in a cute fairytale in comparison

[@boggis157]

It doesn't matter if it's real or not - because of what Yuslan said to you, you'll always be wondering whether it's real or an illusion, and that constant, niggling doubt is what makes this ending so terrifying. Even if the Prophet makes a conscious choice to believe its real, there will always be that sliver of doubt, the incredulity at having survived something as catastrophically destructive as the Cleansing and the Beacon exploding right next to you, and it will eat away at you until you eventually go mad. The fact that the Prophet's dream of home in this ending is so horrifying compared to the other two speaks to this. Throughout the game, the dreams have been the voice of your subconscious, trying to tell you that something is very, very wrong. In this ending your subconscious is practically screaming at you that something isn't right. You're unable to move on, unable to find catharsis, and unable to determine if your life is a dream or an illusion. You're unable to determine if your actions have meaning, or if anything you've done so far has meaning.

[@r.d.6290]

The only thing that makes me suspect this ending is a hallucination is this: Calia's clothing is the one she wore when Prophet and her were dancing in tavern on their night out before final mission.

[@pawelryszard8619]

How to get this ending? i can only chose two during conversation with calia - destroy the beacon and dead or escape to star city.

[@julienthammavongsa5496]

You need to find the dreamflower recipe in yeros tower then doing the drop in the ocean quest and finally advancing the rhalata questline to meet the father and craft the elixir in a special pot in his chamber

[@wildcard5616]

@@julienthammavongsa5496 saving all this for next time I play this

[@xlenaqz]

@@julienthammavongsa5496 Damn, that's a lot x'D thanks for the info, will try next time I play :D

[@eeyyy]

People said they can hear the humming of beacon in the "dream", I don't hear it though.

[@lorddodge2867]

It's probably a sound bug

[@Achivus]

it's possible by drinking the potion you get moved to a reality where your dreams come true and maybe people think you enter a dream because you leave behind your old body

[@deformiertergolfball4847]

i just wished, there was a ending where you can side with coarek, which ends his beloved cycle by accident. i love the mod and played trough it the second time now, to get this ending but i somehow hate the fact, that im so forced to side with people i dont like. also for some reason i had jespar as companion at the end, even tho i made him mad 90% of the time and tried to side with calia.

[@Justii218]

I'm actually curious how to exactly get this ending

[@if91100]

It's really easy to write this off as the "coma ending" but frankly, I really think this could be just the legit ending. But that's the point isn't it, they all COULD work and all could be the legit ending where we could win. Or it could all just be part of the game, just another aspect of the cycle.

[@FritoPapito]

Congrats on finishing the game! Do you still think Lord of the Lost One is the hardest non-boss unit you've fought? How about for bosses, who's your top 3 for most challenging?

[@Hoppitot]

Most challenging is definitely level 2 wolfs in the beginning of the game, unironically.

[@Marinanor]

Looked like the woman there was going to walk right off the mountain cliff.

[@dressedhatto8093]

Enderal predicted Endgame confirmed

[@QuantumNaut]

Ah so this ending was a dream I did the version I escaped with Jasper to Starcity.

[@kertgp8275]

its actually left of to the player speculation only way we will truly find out is if there another release of games from this group

[@aurel6330]

What's happen with father ? i never understand ...

[@AC-ck2bd]

father was just like a thing made up by the highones, thats why when the kid in the blackstones quest’s father looks like yours. the father is supposed to mess with you because the high ones want it to. they can make you see him because youre already dead and they control your visions and dreams

[@aurel6330]

@@AC-ck2bd im talking about the father, not my father ^^

[@Holydecipher]

@@aurel6330 Good question. He escaped the cleansing, that's for sure ^^

[@redcrown5070]

@@AC-ck2bd I think the reality is a lot sadder. Our protagonist's family died during a blaze and we're the only survivor, the protagonist is just having dreams about him being the reason why his family died, which is a quite common behavior from bloodshed survivors.

[@ThePlayer920]

@@AC-ck2bd Is it a possibility that the High Ones are manipulating the Prophet's dreams? Yes. Have they done so from the beginning? No, those nightmares were there before you even became one of the Emissaries

[@dylalan1]

Does anyone knows how to get that ending please? And is it available with jespar?

[@serasvictoria257]

I don't know how to get it but yes u can do it with jespar aswell

[@Eth77930]

Another guy explained in a different comment, but here is wholesome info, for anyone interested: en.wiki.sureai.net/Enderal:A_Story_from_Spring

[@diegohenriquez1542]

isnt arantheal also a fleshless one? why does he die? Because he lit the beacon?

[@alvinnugraha5264]

The MC and Arantheal is also get affected by the beacon, it's just more slowly than other human.... Arantheal is the one who lit it so i guess he got the biggest boom

[@NightWielderEye]

Because fleshless only temporarily protects you from the Light. The MC would also die afterwards.

[@lainad7099]

You know, just speculating, I think we actually witnessed what happens to someone who drinks the dream flower in one of the quests. Can anyone guess who I’m talking about?

[@ItsLegacyOG]

The only one that comes to mind is A Drop in the Ocean with Yuslan because thats where you get the dream flowers to begin with. Kind of resonates with what Calia says about the millions of possible realities. Yuslan's whole mission revolved about different realities where his family was still alive. Maybe during this quest, you enter into the dream flower "reality" which is why Yuslan went a little crazy while there. Who did you have in mind if it is someone else?

[@lainad7099]

@@ItsLegacyOG ooo so meaning the Yuslan in that reality drank the dream flower? That could be possible. I was actually thinking about The Father from Rhalata. If you choose to go against him and kill him, he comes back right? There is a possibility that it may not be psionics at work. It may have been the dream flower that brought him back. I have a speculation on how the elixir works and there are also circumstances leading me to believe that The Father has drank the dream flower elixir. If my theory is sound.

[@ItsLegacyOG]

@@lainad7099 If i remember right you have to go into his room in order to actually brew the elixir? makes sense

[@lainad7099]

@@ItsLegacyOG Yup. The conveniently placed substance decomposer in his place. And his weird goal of ‘transcendence’. If you think about it, what he wants is not so different from dying. Like he wants to die but couldn’t. The dreamflower could be preventing his death. I could be completely off track and The Father is just a weirdo haha. Just felt like sharing. It’s nice to hear different views.

[@ItsLegacyOG]

@@lainad7099 I think The Father actually found some other way to transcend. At least it seems that way considering how the quest line ended. The entire room he entered was gone and left a void in its place. Though we cant be sure what the Dreamflower elixir does, it seems to just put the person in a coma with no real world impacts. Could just be another one of those things for the player to interpret however they choose.

[@ayyutha]

😢😢

[@dhomini7140]

I almost thought it said ending

[@StarlightDragon]

coming back after 3 years and finding out they added an extra ending to this game. I truly loved this game and did a deep analysis of the implications of what each of the original endings meant and the clues left throughout the game (like the aged man and what context he brings to the escape ending). I was surprised to hear they planned to add another ending, 'cause I felt it was already complete as a story, so I'm super curious as to what I'm about to watch. Edit: Huh, so the new ending is that you take some concoction to survive what I always interpreted as "the only way to stop the cycle ending" or the sacrifice ending. Kinda weird... I feel like it kinda guts the sacrifice ending a bit, but still pretty cool. I am interested in the quest that unlocks this ending for you. Buut.... knowing sureai I'm sure there's some ambiguity that I'm not seeing here, since I don't know the context of the dreamflower thing.

[@StarlightDragon]

@MyLongestJourney that's some interesting ambiguity. I wanna see the quests that unlock the ending next so I understand the context

[@000jimbojones000]

@@StarlightDragon yep forgotten storys add another 15 quests to the story.. its worth to play the whole thing again.

[@Samster-rv5uj]

Oh the dream flower extract just makes you dream this is real. It's not. As the description of what yashim said it would do. A "so called" happy ending is only what you want to happen and thus is not real. I just beat the game hoping for this ending but got the other version of the potion from yashim. And I could only activate the grave stones. Feels bad man :( Got more insight and I'm fairly sure that your character is not effected by the dream flower potion until your character dies. Forcing your already dying flesh to scream in pain perhaps? Possibly forcing your character to become another fleshless in a way.

[@taederias1804]

The big, glaring problem with what Yuslan told you though is that if all the dreamflower elixir did was let you dream a perfect reality, i.e. instead of making your dreams a reality, it turns your reality into a world of dreams... then how the hell would anyone have gotten the idea that it does something good? Sure, from the perspective of the user it would seem the same, but in this scenario, no one else would ever find out about that. In fact, they would just see the person who drank it... die, I guess? Or fall asleep forever? There would certainly not be legends about how the users' lives have become so perfect afterwards. Unless maybe the formula was deliberately engineered to do what Yuslan claims, and false legends of its effects were being spread around... but then there would be no reason to make the potion do anything at all, one could just as well spread lies about any complicated potion that kills you. One possibility that might sort of make sense of that is if some magical theory suggested that the elixir *should* function as the legends stated, it nonetheless didn't work, but some people saw fit to advertise its effects regardless. The crucial problem still remains though that unless the same theory suggested that "either this or that would happen" (which seems a stretch, but who knows) the explanation of letting the imbiber live out a perfect life in their dreams is unnecessary. Point is, whether or not the one drinking the potion lives in a perfect world of dreams or just simply falls asleep / dies has literally zero effect on what the world at large knows about the potion, so absolutely no reason for Yuslan to assume an untestable hypothetical effect instead of a simpler and, from his perspective, equivalent version, i.e. the potion simply "killing the user". Regardless of the particulars, this doesn't really add up, and it has bugged me ever since I first heard Yuslan tell me his hypothesis.

[@vogonp4287]

@@taederias1804 I have always thought that the Prophet is already a dream in a sense and, as such, it does not really matter if the dreamflower ending is "real" or not. If the Prophet believes that it is real, it is.

[@cultmecca]

Yuslan*

[@baonkang5990]

@@taederias1804 maybe what it does is reverses an arcanist's powers. instead of using their mind to bring in parts of other realities. the dream flower elixir allows the user to warp their mind into other realities, so from outside perspective it looks like they just fell into a coma. it also explains why the legend keeps perpetuating, because they come from people warped in from other realities. it's also possible that recipes differ from reality to reality, leading to more confusion.

[@r.d.6290]

Even though there a some evidence in favor of coma and hallucinations (Yuslan words, that specific painting on the wall, Calia somehow keeping her party dress when fleeing Ark on a myrad in hurry, etc.), still there are things that can mean it is real. Prophet is not a human being since long ago, he already broke some "scripts" of the Cycle with a lot of help from a Veiled Woman, and he even did the impossible - brought the damn extinct flower from another reality. So him being alive when he shouldn't and drinking the potion that should have never existed would definitely result in something real.

[@Smallestpenis]

.. I love this game even more now