The old Secrets of Windows 11

[@mjdxp5688]

There are actually still more Windows 3.x remnants, one of which is inside the Command Prompt. If you open the Properties window by right clicking on the title bar (which literally no other program does these days) and go to the size section, you'll see a preview which uses a menu button and a minimize and maximize button, the same style as 3.1's window controls. In MCC, the "multi document interface" is used (basically the Program Manager interface which let you have multiple sub windows inside one parent window), even though there's very little point to it. The child windows also use the Windows Aero Basic theme.

[@_GhostMiner]

I know about the Multi document window. Microsoft abandoned it in Vista or 7. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqO8ZKSencuffpY

[@Astra3yt]

Also, not sure if this is from 3.x exactly, but there's the dialer.exe program for making calls on your you know... telephone line.

[@Endermanch]

true! i've been using windbg for quite some time, i don't know how that flew over my head

[@koduflower2000]

I saw the remnants of Windows XP straight from the Task Scheduler before, and this involved the privilege dialog to run the task!

[@koduflower2000]

Oh, and by the way, thank you for putting my favorite song "Synchobonk". It was my favorite before. The reason why I hated Microsoft is because of the remnants straight from Windows 98 all the way to Windows 10, in Windows 11!!! I can't believe we actually got used to it long ago! Curse Microsoft For This!!! And they didn't start with a clean slate and design it into a fully working modern system. Heck yeah, Fedora and all other Linux distros and some others including HaikuOS, KolibriOS and MenuetOS are about 5 to 25 times better than Windows 11! Maybe you had tried Linux before.

[@half-qilin]

I feel Windows is the definition of "If it works, don't fix it." Except Microsoft thought control panel didn't work.

[@hedw1gP]

And also Default App didn’t work.

[@RandomGuy37]

Honestly I would much rather use Control Panel than the Settings app. Control Panel just felt much more capable back in the day. Nowadays we've been basically forced to use the Settings app, but still Microsoft hasn't removed the Control Panel. Even though I still prefer Control Panel, in my opinion it would be better to just kill it off completely than leave it to the OS as a broken cripple.

[@half-qilin]

@@RandomGuy37 I sort of understand why they’ve left Control Panel in, as some apps might call it to do certain tasks (hell even the UWP Settings app calls it to the uninstall applications menu, shows how lazy Microsoft is) But either go all the way in deleting it and redirect Control Panel requests to UWP Settings, or don’t cripple the old Control Panel at all.

[@linux_fox]

if that was their motto we'd still be using windows xp

[@automatedinsanity]

Microsoft: If it compiles, it’s done

[@DistrosProjects]

The entire goal of Windows is to be as backwards compatible with previous releases as possible. To Micro$oft's credit, they managed to do this pretty well. Device drivers from Windows 2000 theoretically work on 11 (except for video and hardware accelerated sound drivers). Software for Windows XP works fine on 10 most of the time. In comparison, trying to compile and run old applications on Linux is a mess of dependency hell, and precompiled binaries from previous versions of Linux only sometimes work. The advantage of this is that Linux is a much more modern operating system in general. As for macOS, it just drops support for and breaks things from a few years ago without warning. And again, MacOS is more modern than Windows in general (cough cough bash 3.2).

[@bluesillybeard]

As a Linux user myself, 90% agree. Almost all external APIs are actually fairly stable, and the dependency mess tends to be a general problem, not just with Linux (although it is more of a hassle on Linux) But, old executables and drivers are a backwards compatibility nightmare. It's almost easier to download the Windows binary and run it through WINE, since at least they have to support the backwards compatibility stuff Windows has.

[@JaredtheRabbit]

As a Mac user, not being able to use Wine for its 32-bit dependencies is kind of a bummer.

[@yeppiidev]

@IMakeVideosHere I mean it's a test build so you can expect that

[@yeppiidev]

@IMakeVideosHere I mean that's basically what I meant. betas are another name for developmental/test builds.

[@jsnotlout3312]

Yeah, but at least try an update all the ui the same way for windows 11

[@DM-20XX]

Retrocompatibility is good. But I think the problem is that Microsoft's idea of retrocompatibility is just building the new version on top of the old one and then hide it. That means every new version is more bloated and you end running way too much unnecessary code that slows the system. Also, Windows 11 doesn't add anything that users want, it's just "features" that Microsoft (and other enterprises) wants to have tighter control of the userbase.

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

That's why windows 11 takes up 64 GB on initial install. Windows sandbox's windows 11 image only takes up 3 GB, and that might be including the compatibility. Think of it without the compatibility.

[@CYLITM]

That's amazing how deep backward compatibility goes in modern-day Windows and I knew you would mention the File Manager (9x) and Command Prompt (MS-DOS) remnants. Even old dialog isn't changed which can be confusing. Microsoft needs to step it up.

[@mix3k818]

I mean, to be fair, if it works and isn't some super-integral part of Windows 11, then I guess they don't really have to change it

[@CYLITM]

@SomeRandomGuy I'm not saying that's a good thing but at least it works

[@Michael-Archonaeus]

I think it's actually too late for Microsoft, unless they make an entirely new OS built on a new kernel. I have no faith that most kids today will use Windows when they grow up. Kids today are used to BSD (macOS, iPad OS and iOS) and Linux (Chrome OS, Android and Steam OS). When I was a kid, we used Windows 95 in school, but I don't see any schools using Windows anymore. They're all using Macbooks, Chromebooks, and iPads, only some of the older teachers still use Windows.

[@_GhostMiner]

It'd be more amazing if everything followed the same design language

[@xXNongLongXx]

@SomeRandomGuy Microsoft tried to change a lot of the Windows backend with Vista, but a lot of users got mad that some things like drivers just didn't work anymore.

[@World_of_OSes]

When you press Alt+F4 on the desktop (not in a program), it brings up the Windows 2000 shutdown dialogue.

[@ThatRandomToast]

That also works by clicking any blank space on the taskbar (it will treat the taskbar as an "active window"), then pressing Alt+F4.

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@ThatRandomToast because the taskbar *_is_* a window pretty much every win32 UI element is (even a stupid button, albeit those things are a child to another window), even if a lot of those things don't have window frames or anything that indicates them being a window, but under the hood, they are

[@unavailable292]

@@TorutheRedFox so maybe that's why the OS is named "Windows" /s

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@unavailable292 it's literally all Windows

[@NotSoCheezyYT]

@@TorutheRedFox 🔫 always has been

[@invalid_user_handle]

Remember, Windows currently is built on the NT "New Technology" kernel, which was created back in the early 90s to replace the aging DOS-based system that existed. The first version, Windows NT 3.1, was basically Windows 3.1 but with a completely different subsystem. It's unsurprising that a few leftovers from this point still partially exist.

[@arround1]

So what? Almost all modern kernels (NT, BSD, Darwin (macOS), Linux etc) take back to the late 1980s - early 1990s

[@invalid_user_handle]

@@arround1 True, but many of those usually have had more thorough rewrites. Windows on the other-hand is more like a layer-cake instead. At the least they could revamp all the old UI remnants...

[@bomberman4046]

@@invalid_user_handle You can't know what's going on, on the code side, and plus, if something works and can't be done otherwise, and has decades of testing already done, you don't touch that. The whole video focus on graphical incoherences and un-updated looks of stuff that still works, ok that. But people here seems to pretend a complete uneccesary rewrite of something that doesn't need to.

[@satinfoil]

Then when windows XP came out, they made it full NT (Correct me if I'm wrong, but) XP was the first version to not have an MS-DOS based version. Even windows 2000 had windows ME.

[@satinfoil]

@@bomberman4046 I disagree. people are still able to look inside windows, as microsoft can, if they try hard enough. Its pretty easy if you just look hard enough and learn. People CAN pretend, but there are people who are legit. And Microsoft even tells you that windows XP is nt based when you install it, and it wouldn't make sense for them to go back to MS-DOS. Try to look harder before assuming stuff like that and telling someone their wrong. Also, seem* (not plural)

[@mjdxp5688]

Fun fact: In Windows Server 2016 (and probably all other versions of Windows Server since then), if you dive deep enough into the Group Policy Editor, you can find an interface which is completely unchanged from Windows XP. It looks exactly like an XP control panel window.

[@pointed.sphere]

You don't even need to go deep to find it

[@CostantinoSpina]

it's the same GUI even on WS 2022. It's called control panel settings, I worked a lot on this recently and it felt like a time machine 🤣

[@CostantinoSpina]

and tbh, I'm so tired of MMC in general being so old. I wish they at least added a dark mode for it. My eyes are killed by mmc

[@objectful1975]

How to save a comment

[@windowsvienna504]

in some windows 10 versions it uses the classsic theme from windows 9x

[@DavidWonn]

9:47 I definitely wouldn't say the modern Notepad is carried over from 98, but rather from older NT versions. Win 95/98 Notepad could only open files up to 64k in size, while NT was only limited by memory. Plus, NT understood Unicode and Alternative Data Streams, while 9x never did.

[@half-qilin]

It’s likely NT 4.0, which is basically equivalent to Windows 9x for Windows NT.

[@WyvernDotRed]

They recently (1-2 years ago) added proper newline symbol support, that makes a massive difference in usability as well. It's still just a slight update to an ancient app. Which is fine if the app works, but it barely does so.

[@ezequieldom641]

And finally, notepad got updated again. The update is downloadable from the MS Store (Only for W11)

[@YTT716]

Yes The Notepad Is Moderny Styles

[@rylans_video_corner6044]

amazing video! still cant believe that there are MS-DOS icons in Windows 11 lol

[@Psychopatz]

@@basedSkeleton lol, I almost shit my pants when reading it lol. I don't even know how a command line based os has an icon

[@mpf1947]

@@Psychopatz The MS-DOS icons were for shortcuts to DOS programs from within Windows in versions 2.0-3.11.

[@Jmcgee1125]

9:45 Technically, Notepad is old, but I honestly don't think it should be updated. Maybe some minor additions like adjusting tab size and maybe color schemes (not syntax highlighting), but the more stuff you add the more bloated it becomes. It's a "large sizeable editbox," it isn't and shouldn't be fancy.

[@TorutheRedFox]

and support for different line endings so you can just open an LF formatted text file without issue

@@TorutheRedFox Notepad got support for LF line endings quite a few years ago, actually.

[@TorutheRedFox]

@ huh must've missed it then

[@malwaretestingfan]

I'd add support for large files, if anything.

[@MirrorHall_Clay]

@@malwaretestingfan it has that. It's only limited by system memory.

[@rainzeros8393]

8:11 the read-only feature is still useful for annoying applications that overwrite files with what they think should be there, read only forces that file to stay the same

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

but then there's this dumb thing programs do is create a ".lock" file and they don't even need to!

[@kamikadze2185]

While watching both videos my reaction for the most part was "who should anyone even care?" But there are some things that make some sense if you realize who actually is Microsoft targeting with Windows. Microsoft didn't care for consumers for decades now, what they care about are businesses! Why? Because they're paying a lot more that any consumer would. Some companies are still paying top dollar to keep Windows 7 alive! Why there are icons from windows 1 or even that "offline web pages" folder still in windows 11? Because some "Obsolete Corp." could rely on a program that would literally crash if you remove it.

[@mikoajkubik8204]

Then, why don't just release a standalone version of Windows which would focus on keeping compatibility, something like win 10 LTSC release. I expected windows 10 x to be something brand new, legacy free version for modern computers but they canceled it...

[@kamikadze2185]

@@mikoajkubik8204 so, you're suggesting that they should make a Windows, that would make lots of money from businesses, and version of windows that would make a lot less money from consumers? I wonder which version would get axed first

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

Yes true, but they also broke the zune software in the windows 10 anniversary update! They are also thinking about removing the wonderful feature-rich Windows Media Player with a skinned VLC media player named "Media player"

[@hmwndp]

@@SubtotalAnt8185 "skinned VLC media player named "Media player"" Media Player is just renamed Groove Music, not anything to do with VLC...

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

@@hmwndp no, it's still there, and I'm taking about the new windows 11 media player

[@lexdoes]

Reminds me how Half Life: Alyx uses the Source 2 engine, which is the sequel to the Source engine, which is the sequel to the GoldSrc engine, which was a Quake engine modification. So, in theory, there might still be leftovers from the first Quake deep within Alyx’s files.

[@supasonic10]

There's an actual example of that. IIRC in Alyx there's some flickering lights, they follow the exact same pattern as the torches in Quake. I guess no-one ever felt it needed to be changed.

[@blubombsjunk1911]

they still have half life 1 texture on the source engine

[@xandermckay9806]

If I’m right, they did leave a legacy Quake font in GoldSrc.

[@JoaquinVacas]

I know having such old components on a modern OS doesn't make it better or secure, even worse... But those MS-DOS/3.1 icons gave me so much nostalgia.

[@anunimportantaccount]

real

[@CocoTheMii]

Notepad and Paint (mentioned in the last video) have actually already been updated to look a bit more modern; not sure why you don't have them. They're also working on a visual refresh for the Task Manager.

[@WiiUGamePad]

im glad they added those.

[@prernabharti1658]

In dev and beta task managernlooks kind of ok but boring also

[@ThatRandomToast]

Older versions of Notepad and Paint is still included on clean installs

[@prernabharti1658]

@@ThatRandomToast Yeah

[@a7linked]

Cus u have insider build, thing that no one should have on their main system And if notepad and others are updated on your main system Reinstall NOW BEFORE ITS TOO LATE

[@Kiki79250CoC]

Also I remember in the first part it wasn't mentioned, but in the Media folder, Windows 7 sounds folders are still here (Garden, Heritage, etc.), even if the sounds themselves are gone since Windows 8.

[@kyokazuto]

Also, if you enable it you get the windows 7 startup sound, at least in 8 and 10, maybe even in 11?

[@Kiki79250CoC]

@@kyokazuto Windows 11 changed the boot sound, and on 8/10 it's just because both use the Windows 7 startup sound as their startup sound.

[@scythal]

@@Kiki79250CoC I have the startup sound enabled on my Win10 laptop... it does take me back to the old days of 7/Vista

[@faaiqaali8645]

Windows 11 still has dialer included... Like I believe it was introduced in Windows 98. Anyways, you can access it by pressing Windows Key + R to open run and by writing dialer in the dialogue box and pressing enter or clicking run... Notice how its colors are off and its fonts on the individual numbers which are not matching to the Windows 11s Segoe UI Variable...

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

Wasn't dialer in windows 95? did people forget about windows 95? i also believe it was a utility for windows 3.1

[@DogsRNice]

People still use dialup so it makes sense

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

@@DogsRNice makes sense, I see everyone play games and just disconnect for no reason and they use Windows 11

[@Lampe2020]

What you didn't show was the power-off dialog box that appears if you press Alt+F4 while on the Desktop with no windows open.

[@satinfoil]

Ikr? I think it was a thing since windows 1.0's "do you want to end this session" text, but it was changed to how it is now since windows 95.

[@Lampe2020]

@@satinfoil And that's also old ;) Did you know that you can Win3-style close a window in Win10? (double-clicking the app icon in the top left corner of the window)

[@ARandomOSDever]

@@Lampe2020 Bruh M$ forgot about that

[@Lampe2020]

@@ARandomOSDever I think so too! **chuckling**

[@notthatntg]

@@Lampe2020 only works for win32 apps

[@i_lost_my_bagel]

One thing you missed is that in Windows Fax and Scan there's a custom cover sheet designer that has been untouched since Windows 95

[@lmnk]

9:00 -- Not exactly. These screensavers were last updated in Windows Vista, then they removed a couple Vista-branded in Win7 and that's it. In 2017 they even officially discontinued them (lol) but it's still left in the system. I still have a screensaver on my computer, it's a modernized version of XP's space screensaver and it's really dope to see) Also fun fact: on macOS screensavers are still supported and updated, likely purely for aesthetic purposes.

[@andrupka8749]

macOS screensavers are beautiful

[@Endermanch]

that's what we desperately need from microsoft but won't get anytime soon

[@TorutheRedFox]

still use xp's logon screensaver despite running it on newer versions of Windows

[@scythal]

Minecraft actually released a screensaver program not too long ago - it does actually work!

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@scythal it's not hard to make screensavers they're just regular EXEs with specific launch arguments (to trigger the preview, settings dialog, etc) and a .scr extension

[@RashFaustinho]

While I can understand being annoyed of Windows 11 being sold (most of the time) as a brand new product, that has always been their philosophy and i'm not sure I want them to change it. With each OS built upon the older one, the transition has always been easy and we have to deal with less backwards compatibility issues. And that in itself isn't perfect (just look at videogames) but I still rather this than dealing with an all-new uncompatible OS each time. Slowly upgrading and changing things bit by bit it's something I'm okay with

[@arendellecruisescorporatio5546]

Yes, although having disadvantages, it has been always been easier to upgrade to an OS that have the same codebase as the other ones. Less compatibility issues and developers are more aware and they have knowledge about what codebase Windows is in. It's just that as time went by, consistency of Windows just went downhill since XP. It would have been ok for Microsoft to update the legacy applications like Microsoft Management Console but they never did. Instead they just packed up the NT codebase with more apps and features as time went by without even clearing anything that won't be necessary anymore.

[@alhuno1]

An honorable other leftover from Windows 2000 is the "userpasswords2" CPL applet. It's the exact same window without any changes since 2000.

[@tflsh]

Add User wizard is different

[@Skateway]

In the latest Insider Preview builds of Windows 11, there are a lot of things updated actually. I would say about 8 to 10 remnants were updated. As I'm running those builds, LogonUI was updated, there's are new volume/brightness sliders, new accessibility menu both in LogonUI and OOBE, new tray icon container, new customization options, more settings ported from the Control Panel to Settings, and much more.

[@lmnk]

The fact they still didn't move everything to Windows Settings pisses me off... They at the very least could remove the control panel explorer links and UI itself, and open corersponding pages that haven't been ported (I think there are only a very few of them? Most of unported stuff are independent .CPLs, half of them are already linked in modern Settings; and as for 3d-party .CPLs, they could've been hooked and displayed in a separate page, like in an "Other" category which only shows up if system detects any)

[@UsuallyLime]

Very interesting how leftovers of all older Windows versions have made their way into Windows 10/11, even programs used in day-to-day use! Sadly, this makes the design and overall user experience of the operating system inconsistent.

[@orange-barsik]

windows has so many legacy things in it, it starts look like an interactive museum

[@HappyPlaysWasTaken]

The dialog that comes up when you press alt+f4 on the desktop is also a remnant of windows 2000 / ME

[@ThatRandomToast]

Windows 2000

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

@@ThatRandomToast Your name needs to be "ThatRandomSystemToastIcon"

[@SnipeXandrej]

8:46 love that kliksphilip reference

[@yy6u]

resource monitor was updated with like vista or 7, there's still the older version of perfmon in mmc snapin, that one is as old as nt4, and many snap ins are, not 2k also uac settings dialog was introduced with win7. alt+f4 on explorer is as old as NT newshell too. dont forget the 16 bits subsystem and fullscreen command prompt (if you have a driver that supports it) Dont forget activedesktop! about screensavers: their last update was windows 7! and they were introduced with vista. the previous set in xp was a mixture of xp and 2k, then there's the old nt and 9x ones we've known to love, also xp starter had two exclusive screensavers Attributes is a DOS thing

[@marcopisco]

11:45 funny fact, the first option is in Portuguese: “driver da Microsoft para arquivos texto” is “Microsoft driver for text files”. Seems like on just that second there are multiple Portuguese named drivers.

[@heart_locket2]

Enderman, você é russo ou português?

[@5.43v]

@@heart_locket2 No its in my windows too, its an oversight

[@tiz6092]

I really hope your videos about Windows 11's inconsistency go viral. Maybe it's the only way that will actually push Microsoft to make a complete UI overhaul, even if it takes a year or two to do so.

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

In the stripped-down version of Windows Sandbox, the disk space it uses in the virtual disk is less than 3 GB. WHY WOULD THEY MAKE THE MINIMUM 64 GB? I just don't get it, you don't need any apps installed at all. All you need is Edge, Explorer, and WMPlayer, and that's it. Oh yeah you also need notepad.

[@Disbanded9998]

Microsoft should just let people make themes and not patch them

[@maypepnecro]

6:45 Thank you for the nostalgia. Wow, I thought at 12:45 the fox icon was a trick of you, but I looked in my W11 and it's really there

[@Zeyroxfame]

I honestly hope they keep the remnants that are still visually correct (like the 98 ones, the nt one, ect, because that's just really cool and is basically just a callback to the older times.

[@Nyakozame]

Microsoft took "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." to the next level.

[@mizellland]

Lol “Even if it’s broke don’t fix it”

[@cubehead-exists]

For me, when i was in Visual Studio, whenever it froze the window borders would change to the ones that were from Windows Vista Basic.

[@anigamerisgaming3110]

2:34 that is the most quiet printer i've ever seen

[@chasehaskell6490]

I think this is less Microsoft neglecting old features, but rather continuously supporting them on modern systems. I’m grateful for it, because it lets me use modern hardware and software with ancient accessories, useful in business applications. And windows is a business operating system.

[@_GhostMiner]

.bat is also an MSDOS remnant. Bat files are labeled as "MS-DOS batch file" in Windows XP. .cmd (Windows NT command script) is supposed to be the newer replacement, but it's almost never used because bat still exists.

[@sequbutfrench]

.bat is mostly a need Cmd apps works with BATCH

[@whamer100]

is there even a difference between bat and cmd, other than just the name

[@_GhostMiner]

@@whamer100 i think it's in the command syntax

[@TorutheRedFox]

@@_GhostMiner there's no difference between bat and cmd as they all just run commands, all of which are present in CMD regardless of whether you use a bat script, or a cmd script hell, you can just directly type '@echo off' into cmd and it'll work (and '@echo on' to bring it back)

[@TorutheRedFox]

other commands that are speficially for batch files, such as REM, can also be typed directly into cmd and they'll do their thing

[@invalid_user_handle]

The HTML Help program (Which happens to be accessible from the ODBC Data Source directory picker) has a copyright date from 2002, meaning it was last updated probably from Windows 2000/XP.

[@iDontProgramInCpp]

8:05 There are also two Properties windows - one when you right click a file on an NTFS drive, and one when you right click a file on a FAT drive (this uses Tahoma instead of MS Sans Serif)

[@pewdiefanno19]

People at Microsoft definitely follows this programming rule, "If it ain't broke, then dont fix it"

[@DistrosProjects]

Go to the Run box, and type iexpress. That program is straight out of Windows 2000 (ZERO changes!) and looked outdated even then (times new roman title, old fashioned buttons, broken cleartype, etc)

[@Lu9_ST]

I believe that is even older than 2000, likely 95/98

[@DistrosProjects]

@@Lu9_ST I thought so too, until I checked Wikipedia.

[@random_person618]

What's even funnier is that it is actually "IExpress 2.0"! That means that it's not the first version, but the SECOND version so I can just imagine where the first version came from.

[@TechnologyEverythingJohn]

In fact, hovering over the X window system controls, the descriptions are yellowed since Windows 95. Also, I consider these properties boxes to kind of 'blend in' with the Windows 11 design, because the check marks and buttons have been updated. Even considering that, there are way more textures inherited from old versions of Windows than there should be

[@Shea7TDM]

0:50 oh my god I remember messing with contacts in vista when I was a kid at around 2009 at least, I can’t believe the folder for it still exists in newer versions of windows. It is so old holy hell.

[@xTh1eFx]

Don’t know was it mentioned here by someone or no, but UAC window here is actually from Windows 7, because in Vista there was only two options - off and on, while in Win7 and later it has 4.

[@lychy645]

idk, i quite like it when i stumble across an old thing in windows, like the win xp login dialog, fills me with nostalgia

[@justsomerandompersononthei2595]

Same here.

[@tflsh]

Where is the old login dialog? Or do you mean the credentials prompt in Task Scheduler?

[@blastbottles]

When you run Windows Media Player there is a theme that was made for windows xp and it's functional on win 10

[@JinnaiT]

Windows media player themes now that is a throwback

[@rainemusic]

Tbf wmp hasn't really been touched since windows 7 anyways 😂

[@Eduar6996]

@@rainemusic And I think it's still better than whatever Microsoft tried to bundle as the new WMP (at least in 10, Groove was so crippled in features that wmp was more compelling to use).

[@blastbottles]

@@Eduar6996 ye groove is just a lag hell but somehow wmp is 100x faster yet has more features

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

@@blastbottles The sync feature... And they plan to remove that in the future.

[@sens_120ms]

btw, if u turn on high contrast mode, the rounded corners will work perfectly, idk wats making rounded corners such a pain on the normal look

[@Aviation667]

Windows 11 is pretty much just a bunch of code taped together in the hope it won't die on them, somehow by whatever miracle they managed to ship an operating system that didn't instantly completely break

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

they do one years worth of testing, basically stapling these metal bricks of code together. They couldn't do it, so they just made windows 10 worse and called it a day.

[@BetterCallBigShotAutos]

Everything from the early NT days was built to last, and that turned on Microsoft when at some point they realised taking the remnants out was very hard due to them being hardcoded into the system

[@AllOSesOfficial]

0:01 that’s some real Music

[@kit7une_]

One thing you missed is that in the C:\Windows\Media folder you can still find 3 midi files left over from 2000

[@deltaboogaloo633]

They have been theres since Windows 3.1. I read somewhere that Microsoft keeps them there so that engineers can test to see that sound drivers work.

[@cezar.xixi02]

well,if you go by some of this video's logic,even the icons on the desktop might be considered a remnant,maybe the entire operating system in a way,but that does not mean that some things are straight up funny that they still look and operate the same way as lets say 20 years ago or even more. I always noticed old windows remnants myself in windows 11 and I'm glad someone made a video about it ! It was a very cool watch ! I don't really agree with some things you consider remnants,for example the disk cleanup,that's just a feature and it serves its purpose today as it did when it was introduced and aesthetic wise,it doesn't look dated or bloated or just overall not fitting with the current look of windows,it's just a neutral look,like other tools this video highlighted. But again,some things definitely need an overhaul and others should just be straight up removed since they are very obsolete

[@BMegaGPea_BuffedPea990]

Also I found a leftover of Windows XP on the Windows Media Player, you need to set it on Group Policy Editor. But I forgot to do that, it will make the Windows Media Player uses Windows XP's Media Player theme instead the Windows 7 theme.

[@ThatRandomToast]

You don't need to edit the group policy to use a Windows Media Player skin. You can right-click the top bar of the WMP, then select View > Skin chooser, then choose "Corporate", then select Apply.

[@whenthe_washere0]

There's actually another Windows 10 remnant. Open Control Panel then change it's path to the computer(or normal File Explorer) to make File Explorer go "This is Windows 10's File Explorer, what do you need to find?"

[@iannicolson]

I think the "Contacts" folder had something to do with Windows CardSpace. I vaguely remember playing with CardSpace on a Windows Vista desktop in the 2000s. I think it would store the cards in this folder. Kind of like a half-assed modern take on Cardfile?

[@Yadobler]

Also I cried a little when I saw that Vista profile image. Also might be linked to msn, remember that chat thingy?

[@yusufaltinbasakk2015]

0:15 death corridor music goes hard

[@RoxGYT]

To be honest those Win2000 designs are better than Win11 ones

[@PatalJunior]

8:35 Using kliksphilip dad music, what a wise choise. Take my like!

[@oneup117gaming4]

These relics are...just incredible. Thanks, MS.

[@zsombor_99]

03:44 Well, I actually use "Character Map" daily for getting characters via the "Arial Unicode MS" font, because that font has literally everything in it. 😊 06:26 Well, sadly they broke one more feature of the desktop: animated gif images just show their first frame and not moving anymore ‒ gif images was playing correctly back in XP. 😞

[@TorutheRedFox]

wallpapers are now handled by explorer itself

[@zsombor_99]

@@TorutheRedFox Oh, and gif images are not moving anymore in the Windows Photo Viewer either! 😶 Good freakin' evolution... 👎

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

@@zsombor_99 They still play in the UWP and non-UWP "Photos" app.

[@zsombor_99]

@@SubtotalAnt8185 I meant, the "Windows Photo Viewer" software, gif images are no longer playing in it! I know, the "Photos" app (since Win10) plays them correctly, but this isn't what I meant.

[@tflsh]

They removed the Active Desktop feature which handles GIF wallpapers. Active Desktop allowed you to kinda have IE as a wallpaper, and IE supported viewing animated GIF’s.

[@Brick_Eater_]

Fun fact: Splatoon 2's netcode has an unused function to check if the game is running on Windows 98.

[@Mizu2023]

LOL

[@genericobjectshow3440]

what

[@LiuWoods]

Why?

[@justsomerandompersononthei2595]

Another leftover I can think of is the "Windows Defender Firewall has blocked some features of this app". It has been slightly changed over the years, "program" switched to "app" in Windows 8 and the "defender" being added in Windows 10 as well as the gradient and icon being changed in Windows 11. But overall, it's just a dialog from Vista.

[@therealzhenplaz200]

I saw this yesterday lol

[@RodrigoBadin]

I hope they never update the ODBC directory picker. Is already an archaeological treasure.

[@JesusDeNazaretHD]

2:11 locale file dialog shows a star for favourites that is from Windows XP

[@legoboy7107]

Truly one of the operating systems of all time.

[@RiloTheFox]

That fox wallpaper looks cool!

[@bnjmn21]

There also is a very unknown program called Math Input Panel (Program Files\Common Files\microsoft shared\ink\mip.exe). It uses the Windows 7 style and i have no idea what this is useful for. Also when you close the window the actual process doesn't stop, and again, i have no idea how to stop it "the intented way"

[@mpf1947]

It's for inserting properly formatted equations into documents, because typing a complex equation with proper formatting is nearly impossible. And as for the process never terminating, Calculator does the same thing.

[@bnjmn21]

​@@mpf1947 Yeah i watched a video and now i understand. It just doesn't work with windows 10+ anymore. I tried pasting the equation into mincrosoft word and OpenOffice and nothing happened, although word knew that something was in the clipboard (paste button was clickable)

[@realbashy_]

Close it from the tray.

[@Baburun-Sama]

There's some Souvenirs from the Past (Windows 7/Vista/XP/2000/98/95).

[@SamarthCat]

It isn't built into windows, but the visual studio winforms designer still uses the old windows 7 classic theme and it looks so outdated.

[@SOTP.]

Thats because sub windows cant use dwm, and since those suckers didint make a fallback theme and decided, lets just keep win vista basic as a fallback, no one will notice, then that theme appears.

[@WestyBl0x]

honestly im not surprised that they would actually do this

[@nvagn]

"If we forgot about it then it's not that important" It:

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

2:50 Enderman: Yup, that's going on the fridge!

[@morsine]

4:27 I jumped from my seat, as if I've seen a ghost

[@pawer_themaw]

I like the Charmap, i used it in some of these "RP maps" which have YOU decide your custom country on even a custom map, it was fun. I used charmap for my names when some of the letters weren't avaliable in my keyboard setting. Good old times...

[@seven7000_]

This proves Microsoft is too lazy to work on a actual release starting fresh and clean, and being so lazy they keep apps untouched since they are a part of the system but they figured out "eh nobody's going to use that so well leave it there" and only care about "everyday" unnecessary UWP apps that they figure out it's the only thing they want to focus on, and other aspects is saying they optimized Windows but in reality, it's faster but with the extra shit code it just leaves the thing just as optimized as a previous OS. Microsoft should get up from its seats and showcase really something innovative and game-changing. Not that i hate these old untouched leftovers, but if you'd replace them with something new, and in my opinion, optimized, they would be just fine, but if not just remove it. Like these leftovers would be considered bloat since MS will continue adding stuff to W11, and with these apps unused, it would fill up space, and that's what im saying by truly optimizing Windows. Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[@tapafon_red]

They actually attempted - Win10X. But every attempt makes Windows incompatible with WIN32 software and hardware, which makes it useless for most people.

[@seven7000_]

@@tapafon_red If they took at least the time to get a compatible kernel with new stuff from scratch then it would work out without sacrificing support, and most importantly, if they got the chance app developers and game companies could adapt to a new kernel they can try to start clean; and possibly have a huge update for W11, presenting huge optimization for basically everything, no bloat, no features left behind, all squeaky and shining without having to base around a older version every time.

[@zEw0]

@@seven7000_ The os WILL definitely still have bloat because Microsoft wants to get you into their ecosystem.

[@𰻝]

@@seven7000_ Why would Microsoft start from scratch? It makes no sense. Might as well base it on Linux then, and lose compatibility with lots of drivers and programs...

[@scythal]

@@seven7000_ They tried something like that with Windows Vista... everyone flipped their shit and called it the worst version ever

[@gabrielbrouwer]

I like the older design language more because it feels like I’m not using a simplified version of a program for phones or tablets but just a program designed for PC only.

[@XaneMyers]

3:20 If this was a video about Windows 10, I'd expect a mention of the Windows Vista/7 startup sound, but this is Windows 11... 12:40 Oh, I look forward to that! Windows is a mess of random old assets, and words, if their random usage of "program" despite "app" becoming the new term for executables counts. "Program Files", "ProgramData", Properties > Compatibility mentioning programs multiple times, even NEW OPTIONS there that say that, and of course the Run dialog in this video.

[@TorutheRedFox]

things like Program FIles, ProgramData, etc. can't be changed because of existing applications expecting those names to be as such

[@satinfoil]

I myself like to think of apps from the internet as programs and apps from the Microsoft store as apps

[@Delfite]

Windows 10 still uses the Windows 7 Startup Recovery menu if your PC manages to crash itself enough times, I managed to make it reappear on accident when I was trying to diagnose whether or not my PC had a bad PSU or bad RAM. Eventually me and my dad figured out that my RAM sticks just managed to get loose somehow which was what was causing the random crashes. I miss Windows 7, best OS that wasn't a Linux distro if you ask me

[@Natalietrans]

I wonder if there is a way to force windows to use the win vista style dwm without crashing the graphics drivers

[@Arylist]

Yoo what gg on 250k subs I’ve been here since 40k!

[@MTCTpl]

There's also another old Windows leftover and it's pretty easy to find. If you try to name a folder or a file with an illegal symbol (? / \ : " | < >) a message bubble from Windows XP appears.

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

I thought that was windows 2000...

[@wardengamer374]

There is also another one, where when you hover over the close, maximize/restore down, or minimize buttons, a rectangle message from Windows XP appears.

[@JessicaFEREM]

Fun Fact: last time I tried Word (word 2019 iirc) it still had tooltips screenshots from XP, on the home ribbon too.

[@mananshmalik4655]

Also enderman, there is one more thing in windows 11 from vista. The app icons… which are not set by the application have the ‘unknown’ vista icon with green color with aero.

[@CuriosityCorner_.]

the notepad significantly changed from Windows 10 to 11, new feature to select lines from the border, new find and replace prompts in new style and redesigned prompts

[@josuepptx8183]

1:12 How good the part where you put a music of Geometry Dash

[@itscharlie0110]

I love that you use gd music in your videos :)

[@the_italian_weeb4732]

Honestly, it's not bad that programs are old, if they're functioning, I mean, even if you had to work on it, except for removing the old compatibilities and refreshing the style, the base program doesn't change. The whole Linux is based on this concept too, take Vim, a text editor, like notepad, going strong since 1991, and there's still some madlads that recommend it to this day. Reinventing the wheel isn't wrong, but selling it as "Whiil™, new edition, the wheel so good you won't ever want to look at peasants wheel" is indeed wrong and deceitful.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

The problem is security and potentially performance too. Imagine modern components stacked on top of old one, which is single threaded and can only use 640k RAM. One day som smart hacker makes an exploit of it and it makes whole OS go kaput. It's definitely not great, not to mention that MS still often fails to make bacwards compatibility truly functional and some are forced to stay on old Windows versions anyway.

[@matin_lunaire]

Disk Management also has that ancient dialog letting you change colors/patterns for displayed types of disks. I wonder who ever used that window?

[@ThatLinuxDude]

13:22 You'd be right - on Legacy, it *is* still possible to use the Windows Vista boot screen in 11, though I'm pretty sure it's a slightly different boot argument than noguiboot.

[@justsomerandompersononthei2595]

bcdedit /set bootmenupolicy legacy

[@TorutheRedFox]

and the Vista boot screen is just a reskin of XP's (they just changed the resources like they do with winver) hell, you can get XP's boot screen back in Vista and later by just replacing the bitmaps in ntoskrnl.exe with XP's, and then jumping through the hoops to get it to trust itself (you have to sign it wih a test driver certificate or smth like that)

[@sh20000sh]

There is a feature that close window when you doubleclick top left corner of any window. I heard it is remanent of first version of Windows.

[@Robemcla]

I'm just glad that Windows 11 still has grpconv.exe so if I ever need to directly upgrade from Windows 3.1 all my icons in Program Manager can be retained in the newer start menu so I can still easily access my 16-bit applications....... Wait a minute. No version of windows 11 can run 16 bit apps...... Wait a minute. The Windows Start Menu no longer has a compatible directory structure....

[@fcfcth]

Unfortunately 64 bit CPUs can only operate in 64/32 bit mode or 32/16 bit mode, 32 bit versions of Windows (even 10) can run 16 bit software

[@saricubra2867]

The sound panel and property windows are a perfect example of "If ain't broke, don't fix it"

[@DiscoLizzard]

This is a big reason why I switched to Linux. I think it's absurd how Windows still contains code from the previous century.

[@SubtotalAnt8185]

You can also switch to ReactOS. (just wait until 64 bit comes out)

[@DiscoLizzard]

@@GoogleDoesEvil this u kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3i0oZJrbZpopKM

[@jooglana]

I feel like Windows Vista is a major foundation for modern windows versions today. It introduced the similar Windows Setup style that is still used today, to user accounts/UAC, control panel layout, foundation of the file explorer style we have today, windows update built directly into windows, transparency effects, etc. Without it, Windows would be very different today.

[@alpha2727]

2:00 I'll kill Microsoft if they touch the MMC.. I love that tool currently, and I really hope that they don't try to force their modern UI into it.. (also, probably every sysadmin will kill them as well, if they dare to touch the MMC)

[@FBHSswimmer2006]

On the screen savers thing, I actually copy and paste the old OpenGL screen savers from Windows 2000 into my Windows 10 machines so I can have the old and arguably better screen savers on my machines again.

[@danielyoung_]

Red Star OS has more consistency.

[@VTCuongDev]

BRUH Microsoft should learn how to add spyware without bloating their OS up

[@TheWingedRedcat]

Command Prompt is a remain of MS-DOS that always gotten updated if you think about it

[@null]

Ah yes, comic sans subscribe screensaver xD!

[@𰻝]

Haha 420 comic sans so funny!!!

[@kenan2386]

"It will do for now" 20 years later...